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17 Replies to “Soleimani And Yamamoto”
Sorry folks there is just no comparison.
much agreed owg.
yamamoto to his credit knew full well the need for a decisive blow aka ‘take out the carriers’.
he spent time stateside long before pearl harbour and well aware of American capability and mindset.
KNEW what was to come. he did his best with what he had, have to admire him for that.
the iranian thug was just a ‘successful’ violent hateful mass murderer.
and now we knew with not at titch of uncertainty the ‘true colours’ of the media, celebs, mouthpieces, arm-chair critics, quislings, appeasers, demoncraps, etc etc.
Well said hb…
As far as “men” are concerned….one was a sub human – the other a warrior.
Those that cheer for the former MIRROR those “values”.
Yamamoto spent time in the US and understood their way of thinking. When the Jap brass were considering an invasion of California, Yamamoto put the nix on that. He said
“behind every tree there is a gun”. Smart man, that guy.
Yamamoto never said that.
In fact, there is a litany of quotes made retroactively to Yamamoto that have never occurred, having no evidentiary basis.
There is, however, a self-published article by Yamamoto in the Yomiuri and every single Japanese paper across the empire in mid December of 1941, calling on the Emperor to resolve himself to take the fight to America and set terms in Washington DC – literally a victory lap by Yamamoto and a call to arms in the wake of Pearl Harbor. In fact, this self-published article under his own name was picked up across the world and referenced throughout the world from Germany to America.
How’s that for proof of what Yamamoto really believed? You can literally find references and reprintings of Yamamoto’s own words in any newspaper and microfiche of the period at your own archive no matter what country you live in.
Which was why the Japanese after WW2 felt they needed to invent so many myths about Yamamoto – they needed to put out the lie that they were “victims” and “unwilling warriors” – and people like Yamamoto and Hirohito most of all – in direct contrast to the mountain of evidence to the contrary that exists even to this day.
Yamamoto literally didn’t understand what he was up against – and if he did, his arrogance and conceit got the better of him and he ignored better judgment, as even his fellow officers complained of his overbearing and arrogant demeanor. The record shows he was one of the prime moving forces agitating for war with America – if not THE moving force – he literally threatened to resign unless a general war against America was approved. That is what is borne by the evidentiary record. It’s apologists, charlatans, and bald-faced liars like the Japanese directors (and the Jewish director Fleischer) of that ridiculous movie Tora, Tora, Tora (who’s claims have long been debunked), and the modern Isoroku who invented quotes and committed research fraud, claiming Yamamoto wrote the quotes in his diary….then when told to produce said “diary”, the Japanese and Hollywood executives and Zaibatsu industrial elite had to admit they made it all up.
Well, Fleischer and some Japanese still claimed the diary exists – they just need to “find it” (oh brother).
Yamamoto and the Japanese did what they did in Pearl Harbor because of China. The Chinese Nationalists were being supplied and supported by the Americans against the Japanese, and the Japanese outwardly tried to cow them multiple times beginning when the United States sent investigators and press on the USS Panay to report on the Nanking massacres – which the Japanese promptly destroyed to uphold a Japanese-only news blackout (for obvious reasons) – that much is obvious simply by reading and looking at their propaganda pamphlets of the period of Japanese soldiers stomping on white men cowering in fear. The Pearl Harbor attack was about Japanese racial supremacy – not simply over white European imperialists in the Orient, but also over all the other Asian races – at the time the Japanese called themselves the “Yamato race”, their Pan-Asian empire meant to unite all the Asian tribes as the “Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere” (Siberia and Australasia were included under the “Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere”) and the racial hierarchy placing the Yamato as the super-race ahead of the Taiwanese, Shanghainese, Wu, Cantonese (these were not a “united China” at the time) was under the philosophy of the “Flying Geese formation” and “Yamato-Damashaii”.
In short, the Pearl Harbor attacks were more than Yamamoto’s demonstration against the Americans; they were more widely the Japanese demonstration to east Asian races and tribes of every stripe that their race was superior and that the Nationalist Chinese who were the “puppets” of the white demons was illegitimate. The Japanese themselves in their communiques rationalized that the Americans were not a threat – quite the opposite, Yamamoto’s own rationale wasn’t that the Americans would attack Japan (as is popularly claimed by some historians today) – but that the Americans would NOT attack Japan and that they would fold as surely as the Russians – the Japanese exhorted Pearl Harbor as just another Tsushima.
Again, Yamamoto and the Japanese thought he would get an easy victory. There is literally no evidence that they presumed otherwise, publicly or privately, and a mountain of evidence that they held American power in contempt.
And that’s the real reason for all this fake history ginned up by Hollywood and the Japanese (and Asians, many of whom joined the Japanese, including many Communist Chinese): What happens when the White country you claimed to be racially superior to on the rationale of victory in war….turns around and conquers the most advanced and powerful Asian country in the world?
Not just “Defeat”.
Not just “Humiliate”.
“Conquers”.
“Occupies”.
And reshapes Japanese history, society, government, and culture in America’s image.
That’s why the Japanese (and their acolytes throughout Asia and America) were so desperate to create a counter-narrative after the war that Japan was “forced” into war – as if the United States would attack Japan over some Dutch and British colonies – all bullocks considering Germany was actively throwing bombs and tanks into Britain and the Dutch homelands themselves …indeed, the Japanese themselves noticed that the Americans weren’t going to war with Germany (in spite of the fact that Roosevelt was publicly agitating for war with Germany).
Because that’s the real alternate history what-if.
What happens to Europe and Asia if the Japanese DON’T attack Pearl harbor.
War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.
Ambrose Bierce
Apparently it’s not going so well.
As tensions between the United States and Iran rise in the aftermath of the American drone strike that killed the country’s most powerful commander, Gen. Qassem Soleimani, a new Morning Consult/Politico survey finds fewer than 3 in 10 registered voters can identify the Islamic republic on an unlabeled map.
&
8% of respondents confused Iraq for Iran. https://twitter.com/jpiacenza/status/1214897192386908160
does dizzy have a point?????
dizzy’s in mourning. He’s going through the ‘Denial’ stage and is entering the ‘Anger’ stage.
I’m thinking “shithole countries” don’t register with many Americans
Piss poor comparison. Would they compare Osama Bin laden to Erwin Rommel?
Yamamoto was a professional soldier, descendant of Samurai with ethics and codes of conduct guiding his life, Soleimani was a murderous thug who slaughtered non-combatants by the hundreds. No comparison at all.
Yamamoto was at the top of a military culture that committed endless staggering atrocities against civilians and POWs, he was a leader of something out of the worst horror movie imaginable, there is quite a comparison, God save us from such professional soldiers.
There is a book called “Hidden Horrors” which you must read.
It dispels the myths of “honourable” combat with the militaristic Japanese of that era.
Read that and you may see Yamamoto in a different light.
Technically, I don’t like to be rude, but, honestly, the jig’s up in Iran: it’s leaking like a sieve, and President Trump has all the information he needs to drive this thing through. Swiss cheese.
Is the President guilty of a quid pro quo? He certainly is, but not in the way the idiot Democrats in the HR think (do they think?) I’m going to guess, but I’d say that the most senior Dems have been briefed, which is why they are forbearing on the impeachment articles, such as they are: he just gave the quid, and now it’s time for the quo, which the Iranian people will certainly deliver soon enough.
Everybody in the world saw Mr. Trump’s speech today: go back and re-read Jeffrey Archer’s “First Among Equals” — there’s a passage in there, wherein Mr. Archer says that the most effective speeches in the British Commons are about 9 minutes long. The President’s speech was 9 minutes and 15 seconds in length. And what a speech: it was certainly the most powerful since GWB after 9/11, and maybe even since FDR’s after Pearl Harbor.
If you don’t believe me, consider this: how could U.S. “Intelligence” for almost all of my 57 years on this planet have been so wrong (name any significant event), yet two dudes in the mid-western U.S. could have hit Soleimani with pin-point accuracy? They knew.
And, generally, why would anybody waste 1% of their ballistic missile arsenal with the deliberate intent of not hitting anything?
boya.
I got serious envy in a good way for these blokes:
“yet two dudes in the mid-western U.S.”
seriously. the, how can I put this, the very private and enormous sense of satisfaction
these professional soldiers have right now.
Yamamoto? How about Heydrich although Heydrich was killed by Czech patriots trained by the SOE.
This would certainly rank as one of the most ill thought out podcasts I’ve listened to in months. For starters, in 1943 Japan and the US were at war. Although moving in that direction, the US and Iran are not. Next, Soleimani was very easy to target at the airport. He wasn’t hiding at all. He had announced he would be there and following his time in Iraq he would be meeting with Erdogan in Turkey. He flew into a commercial airport. He was on a diplomatic mission on the invitation of the caretaker Prime Minister of Iraq, Mahdi. He was met and travelling with multiple Iraqi military personnel. To refer to it as Soleimani being “sloppy” is exceedingly disingenuous. He had left his clandestine role years ago and was very much a public figure. There was no mystery as to where the man was when the attack occurred.
Also, whatever your views of Iran it is comical to suggest Al Qaeda and the Iranians are partnered with each other. The Iranians being Shiites are the mortal enemies of Wahhabis and there very well might be no one who has played more of a role in the deaths of those in the ranks of Al Qaeda then Soleimani. This is likewise true of ISIS. Indeed, four years ago Soleimani and the US coalition were begrudgingly coordinating air strikes as the PMF advanced towards Mosul and across Anbar.
Sorry folks there is just no comparison.
much agreed owg.
yamamoto to his credit knew full well the need for a decisive blow aka ‘take out the carriers’.
he spent time stateside long before pearl harbour and well aware of American capability and mindset.
KNEW what was to come. he did his best with what he had, have to admire him for that.
the iranian thug was just a ‘successful’ violent hateful mass murderer.
and now we knew with not at titch of uncertainty the ‘true colours’ of the media, celebs, mouthpieces, arm-chair critics, quislings, appeasers, demoncraps, etc etc.
Well said hb…
As far as “men” are concerned….one was a sub human – the other a warrior.
Those that cheer for the former MIRROR those “values”.
Yamamoto spent time in the US and understood their way of thinking. When the Jap brass were considering an invasion of California, Yamamoto put the nix on that. He said
“behind every tree there is a gun”. Smart man, that guy.
Yamamoto never said that.
In fact, there is a litany of quotes made retroactively to Yamamoto that have never occurred, having no evidentiary basis.
There is, however, a self-published article by Yamamoto in the Yomiuri and every single Japanese paper across the empire in mid December of 1941, calling on the Emperor to resolve himself to take the fight to America and set terms in Washington DC – literally a victory lap by Yamamoto and a call to arms in the wake of Pearl Harbor. In fact, this self-published article under his own name was picked up across the world and referenced throughout the world from Germany to America.
How’s that for proof of what Yamamoto really believed? You can literally find references and reprintings of Yamamoto’s own words in any newspaper and microfiche of the period at your own archive no matter what country you live in.
Which was why the Japanese after WW2 felt they needed to invent so many myths about Yamamoto – they needed to put out the lie that they were “victims” and “unwilling warriors” – and people like Yamamoto and Hirohito most of all – in direct contrast to the mountain of evidence to the contrary that exists even to this day.
Yamamoto literally didn’t understand what he was up against – and if he did, his arrogance and conceit got the better of him and he ignored better judgment, as even his fellow officers complained of his overbearing and arrogant demeanor. The record shows he was one of the prime moving forces agitating for war with America – if not THE moving force – he literally threatened to resign unless a general war against America was approved. That is what is borne by the evidentiary record. It’s apologists, charlatans, and bald-faced liars like the Japanese directors (and the Jewish director Fleischer) of that ridiculous movie Tora, Tora, Tora (who’s claims have long been debunked), and the modern Isoroku who invented quotes and committed research fraud, claiming Yamamoto wrote the quotes in his diary….then when told to produce said “diary”, the Japanese and Hollywood executives and Zaibatsu industrial elite had to admit they made it all up.
Well, Fleischer and some Japanese still claimed the diary exists – they just need to “find it” (oh brother).
Yamamoto and the Japanese did what they did in Pearl Harbor because of China. The Chinese Nationalists were being supplied and supported by the Americans against the Japanese, and the Japanese outwardly tried to cow them multiple times beginning when the United States sent investigators and press on the USS Panay to report on the Nanking massacres – which the Japanese promptly destroyed to uphold a Japanese-only news blackout (for obvious reasons) – that much is obvious simply by reading and looking at their propaganda pamphlets of the period of Japanese soldiers stomping on white men cowering in fear. The Pearl Harbor attack was about Japanese racial supremacy – not simply over white European imperialists in the Orient, but also over all the other Asian races – at the time the Japanese called themselves the “Yamato race”, their Pan-Asian empire meant to unite all the Asian tribes as the “Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere” (Siberia and Australasia were included under the “Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere”) and the racial hierarchy placing the Yamato as the super-race ahead of the Taiwanese, Shanghainese, Wu, Cantonese (these were not a “united China” at the time) was under the philosophy of the “Flying Geese formation” and “Yamato-Damashaii”.
In short, the Pearl Harbor attacks were more than Yamamoto’s demonstration against the Americans; they were more widely the Japanese demonstration to east Asian races and tribes of every stripe that their race was superior and that the Nationalist Chinese who were the “puppets” of the white demons was illegitimate. The Japanese themselves in their communiques rationalized that the Americans were not a threat – quite the opposite, Yamamoto’s own rationale wasn’t that the Americans would attack Japan (as is popularly claimed by some historians today) – but that the Americans would NOT attack Japan and that they would fold as surely as the Russians – the Japanese exhorted Pearl Harbor as just another Tsushima.
Again, Yamamoto and the Japanese thought he would get an easy victory. There is literally no evidence that they presumed otherwise, publicly or privately, and a mountain of evidence that they held American power in contempt.
And that’s the real reason for all this fake history ginned up by Hollywood and the Japanese (and Asians, many of whom joined the Japanese, including many Communist Chinese): What happens when the White country you claimed to be racially superior to on the rationale of victory in war….turns around and conquers the most advanced and powerful Asian country in the world?
Not just “Defeat”.
Not just “Humiliate”.
“Conquers”.
“Occupies”.
And reshapes Japanese history, society, government, and culture in America’s image.
That’s why the Japanese (and their acolytes throughout Asia and America) were so desperate to create a counter-narrative after the war that Japan was “forced” into war – as if the United States would attack Japan over some Dutch and British colonies – all bullocks considering Germany was actively throwing bombs and tanks into Britain and the Dutch homelands themselves …indeed, the Japanese themselves noticed that the Americans weren’t going to war with Germany (in spite of the fact that Roosevelt was publicly agitating for war with Germany).
Because that’s the real alternate history what-if.
What happens to Europe and Asia if the Japanese DON’T attack Pearl harbor.
War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.
Ambrose Bierce
Apparently it’s not going so well.
As tensions between the United States and Iran rise in the aftermath of the American drone strike that killed the country’s most powerful commander, Gen. Qassem Soleimani, a new Morning Consult/Politico survey finds fewer than 3 in 10 registered voters can identify the Islamic republic on an unlabeled map.
&
8% of respondents confused Iraq for Iran.
https://twitter.com/jpiacenza/status/1214897192386908160
does dizzy have a point?????
dizzy’s in mourning. He’s going through the ‘Denial’ stage and is entering the ‘Anger’ stage.
I’m thinking “shithole countries” don’t register with many Americans
Reasoning of Scott Adams on the situation:
Episode 781 Scott Adams: Iran’s Military Magic Trick, The Golden Age, What Comes Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq06gu63oYY
A rather reasonable take on the situation.
Illustrating the reasoning:
Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-PlNi1vto
Piss poor comparison. Would they compare Osama Bin laden to Erwin Rommel?
Yamamoto was a professional soldier, descendant of Samurai with ethics and codes of conduct guiding his life, Soleimani was a murderous thug who slaughtered non-combatants by the hundreds. No comparison at all.
Yamamoto was at the top of a military culture that committed endless staggering atrocities against civilians and POWs, he was a leader of something out of the worst horror movie imaginable, there is quite a comparison, God save us from such professional soldiers.
There is a book called “Hidden Horrors” which you must read.
It dispels the myths of “honourable” combat with the militaristic Japanese of that era.
Read that and you may see Yamamoto in a different light.
Technically, I don’t like to be rude, but, honestly, the jig’s up in Iran: it’s leaking like a sieve, and President Trump has all the information he needs to drive this thing through. Swiss cheese.
Is the President guilty of a quid pro quo? He certainly is, but not in the way the idiot Democrats in the HR think (do they think?) I’m going to guess, but I’d say that the most senior Dems have been briefed, which is why they are forbearing on the impeachment articles, such as they are: he just gave the quid, and now it’s time for the quo, which the Iranian people will certainly deliver soon enough.
Everybody in the world saw Mr. Trump’s speech today: go back and re-read Jeffrey Archer’s “First Among Equals” — there’s a passage in there, wherein Mr. Archer says that the most effective speeches in the British Commons are about 9 minutes long. The President’s speech was 9 minutes and 15 seconds in length. And what a speech: it was certainly the most powerful since GWB after 9/11, and maybe even since FDR’s after Pearl Harbor.
If you don’t believe me, consider this: how could U.S. “Intelligence” for almost all of my 57 years on this planet have been so wrong (name any significant event), yet two dudes in the mid-western U.S. could have hit Soleimani with pin-point accuracy? They knew.
And, generally, why would anybody waste 1% of their ballistic missile arsenal with the deliberate intent of not hitting anything?
boya.
I got serious envy in a good way for these blokes:
“yet two dudes in the mid-western U.S.”
seriously. the, how can I put this, the very private and enormous sense of satisfaction
these professional soldiers have right now.
Yamamoto? How about Heydrich although Heydrich was killed by Czech patriots trained by the SOE.
This would certainly rank as one of the most ill thought out podcasts I’ve listened to in months. For starters, in 1943 Japan and the US were at war. Although moving in that direction, the US and Iran are not. Next, Soleimani was very easy to target at the airport. He wasn’t hiding at all. He had announced he would be there and following his time in Iraq he would be meeting with Erdogan in Turkey. He flew into a commercial airport. He was on a diplomatic mission on the invitation of the caretaker Prime Minister of Iraq, Mahdi. He was met and travelling with multiple Iraqi military personnel. To refer to it as Soleimani being “sloppy” is exceedingly disingenuous. He had left his clandestine role years ago and was very much a public figure. There was no mystery as to where the man was when the attack occurred.
Also, whatever your views of Iran it is comical to suggest Al Qaeda and the Iranians are partnered with each other. The Iranians being Shiites are the mortal enemies of Wahhabis and there very well might be no one who has played more of a role in the deaths of those in the ranks of Al Qaeda then Soleimani. This is likewise true of ISIS. Indeed, four years ago Soleimani and the US coalition were begrudgingly coordinating air strikes as the PMF advanced towards Mosul and across Anbar.