The Sound Of Settled Science

The remains of an ancient ape found in a Bavarian clay pit suggest that humans’ ancestors began standing upright millions of years earlier than previously thought, scientists said Wednesday.
 
An international team of researchers says the fossilized partial skeleton of a male ape that lived almost 12 million years ago in the humid forests of what is now southern Germany bears a striking resemblance to modern human bones. In a paper published by the journal Nature, they concluded that the previously unknown species — named Danuvius guggenmosi — could walk on two legs but also climb like an ape.
 
The findings “raise fundamental questions about our previous understanding of the evolution of the great apes and humans,” said Madelaine Boehme, of the University of Tübingen, Germany, who led the research.

26 Replies to “The Sound Of Settled Science”

  1. My personal, unqualified, armchair opinion? There was NO evolutionary pressure in the equatorial zones. Apes, monkeys, Gorillas could (and continue to) thrive in the abundant growth and warmth of the equator. There was no REASON for them to evolve … mutations did not provide any advantage over the dominant genetic form.

    Apes living in more temperate and northern latitudes, had much greater survival pressure and would likely have much greater chance for mutations to assist in helping the improved lineage survive.

    It’s also why the Industrial and cultural revolutions took place in Northern Latitudes (including China) … rather than on the equator. Life has always been HARDER there, which has made more demands on human ingenuity… just for basic survival.

    Therefore, I would not be the least bit surprised that apes started walking upright in the region of Germany.

    1. Yes, and no. Evolution is more than adaptation to climate, although I do agree that is a big driver.
      Evolution occurs whenever some random variation gives an advantage of any kind – bigger, faster, more tolerant of temperature variations, able to exploit a different food source, etc.

      But where I think you are absolutely correct is in evolution of cultural, agrarian and industrial changes.
      If the climate is warm, and you can find food by grazing berries, digging roots and eating beetles, you don’t need to grow/hunt your food, and when you do, that works better in collaboration with others. When its cold, you start needing clothing. Initially a by-product of hunting, possibly, but more refined and predictable methods are invented.

      This is why you truly wouldn’t find much difference between an African tribe in 1800 and one 5,000 years before.
      No pressures to do things differently, so why should they change?

      1. Climate is considered the primary driver….

        on the other hand….all of the things ‘invented’ by northern tribes were no secret…they took them with them when they traveled..conquered… whatever

        and even though the southern tribes were exposed to it all…they still refused to incorporate them…or evolve

        If society wasn’t so hung up on self….there would be lots of different species

    2. My personal, unqualified, armchair opinion?
      Ferraris evolved from random gene mutations from oxcarts.
      What, there is no motive force in an oxcart, you say? Well, there is no intellect in an ape.

      In a more realistic vane, culture developed in the temperate zones. As you said, there is abundant growth in the tropics, and preciously little in the frigid zone, where one has to do all one can just to survive. While China, for example, stagnated after finding a comfort zone, it took the severe post Plague and Little Ice Age northern Europe to usher in the Industrial Revolution.

    1. yah the theory of NOah, says that all life began about 5000 years ago when off the ark. So did they find Ark boarding passes with these fossils?

      1. Yep, and the entire universe created in 6-days. Me likes a good allegory as much as the next guy.

  2. Heresy! Peoplekind originated in Europe? Impossible! White Privilege at its worst to say such a thing. Published in the journal Nature no less. Recall this edition and burn all copies . Shut down this “research” immediately. Fire the academics involved and make sure they are never allowed to work as academics again. Ban them from Twitter, You Tube and Facebook. Delete all references to this “research”.

  3. Off topic but….Speaking about science.
    Last night’s show and those 11,000 scientists and their consensus on Climate?
    It appears that the thing was a show of hands so to speak in which people who weren’t scientists just clicked ‘like’ on an internet poll after reading something on the topic that was 4 pages. One who entered was named after a cartoon character. All phoney baloney.

    If you subscribe to Ezra Levant you’ll enjoy his thorough analysis of the CBC story on last night’s episode. The CBC sucks!

      1. Hats off to you bluetech!
        Thanks for the link. I didn’t think it was out as a YouTube yet. I see you put it on Readers’ Tips. Good.

        Hope Kate gives this one it’s own thread. Ezra did a fine job. Its one of his best! Since when is Mickey Mouse a scientist?

        This lie by the MSM needs to go WIDE!

  4. So the German apes were smarter than the African apes 10 million years ago. Now the African apes are migrating to the homes of the German apes – clearly the African apes are smarter these days.

  5. Anyone who accepts this new discovery is clearly a Sapiens denier. Let the shunning begin.

  6. Sure, this took place 12 million years ago. But soon after, some of these hominids surmised that standing was bad for the environment and proceeded to set back the evolutionary process 6 million years.

    Enjoy the decline.

  7. An international team of researchers says the fossilized partial skeleton of a male ape that lived almost 12 million years ago in the humid forests of what is now southern Germany bears a striking resemblance to modern human bones. In a paper published by the journal Nature, they concluded that the previously unknown species — named Danuvius guggenmosi — could walk on two legs but also climb like an ape.

    The findings “raise fundamental questions about our previous understanding of the evolution of the great apes and humans,” said Madelaine Boehme, of the University of Tübingen, Germany, who led the research.

    They found Keith Richards’ grandfather. He fell out of a tree. Unfortunately, he didn’t land on his head.

  8. I am going to need a lot more information on this one. I have seen whole creatures being made out of a partial skull. It always strikes me funny how we find a few fossilized bones and instantly determine that this was the ancestor of that. It makes no sense what so ever. The partial skeleton is likely that of extinct ape just like all those other ‘missing links’ that have been discovered and debunked. I am still looking for that link between dogs and whales the evolutionists keep talking about.

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