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43 Replies to “Coulda Had A Pipeline”
Shoulda had a pipeline.
Why don’t I feel sorry for them?
Don’t worry. If Alberta will sell oil to Quebec at say $10/bbl then Quebec will allow a pipeline. Of course Quebec will then sell the oil at world prices.
Quebec doesn’t have to get their hands dirty/greasy. They more than get their cut via equalization and preferred contracts. Top that with direct federal subsidies. I estimate their take at +/- $25 to $30 Billion. For Ontario that is the cost of doing business as the Quebec votes keeps them in federal government. Any two provinces that would vote a moron into federal government leadership deserve their inevitable collapse.
CT, I agree Quebec more than gets it’s cut through equalization. But I suspect they’ll want more and the Churchill Falls hydro “deal” provides a good template (from Quebec’s point of view).
If Quebec was to separate it would be a good thing. Trudeau would go with them.
If Alberta will sell oil to Quebec at say $10/bbl
That was one of the issues of the oil war between Ottawa and Alberta 40 years ago. Alberta wanted to sell oil to Quebec for world prices and Quebec, being the spoiled brat province that we’ve come to know and loathe, expected to get it for dirt cheap.
Eventually, Alberta and Ottawa made peace and signed an agreement. Shortly thereafter, Marc Lalonde, Minister for Screwing Alberta, inflicted the NEP on western Canada. In the long run, Quebec got what it always wanted.
They are already doing that. They are using Canuck oil and charging world price.They have no intention of paying more if there is a pipeline. We have to appeal to their greed by saying there will be a lot more in equalization if there is a pipeline and when it is built make a lame excuse. Works for them.
The eastern half of the northern section of North America is a piece of land that I do not care about in the slightest. They are dead to me.
I’m sure the Prime Minister can get on the phone and get his friends in the White House to help out.
Ring . . . ring . . .
I’ma waiting for unDork to come in here and blame Trump for all this because he pulled out of O’Butthole’s nuke deal with Iterrorists
If the Irving’s decide they need a pipeline it is within the realm of possibility that Trudeau would invoke the War Measures Act or some other crisis statute to shove one through for them with no reviews required.
History rhymes?
“just watch” him?
SNC-L to do the engineering, procurement and construction using pipe from other projects that aren’t going to happen?
Let everyone of those Eastern Bastards FREEZE….forever.
Quebec: A virtual cesspool of corruption ridden malignancy that must be excised – either they leave or we do…..and I have been waiting since ’81 to see this province do what it should have back then.
Most of the Alberta oil, per the article, is exported to the US. As it should be.
The Liberals won China’s help stealing the 2015 election by promising a pipeline to China. Fortunately, Trudeau’s incompetence prevented that from happening.
What we need is not a pipeline to China. It’s regime change, courtesy of the armed forces of the United States. Get rid of the problem and only the problem—the liquidation of the Chinese puppet government in Ottawa.
You are dead wrong. TMX to the Vancouver area is not designed to supply far eastern, or even China markets. Gateway was. Trudeau .gov killed that one day one, sticking it to China and other far east customers. Smart move, eh?
TMX is limited to filling tankers to supply west coast USA and supplying crude to the Seattle area, because there is no other pipeline access from US oil fields into the area. Period.
You can’t get an Asian bound tanker big enough to make it pay, under the First Narrows bridge in Vancouver, so that crude will be directed to US interests at a discount because central Kanader are clueless and just love beating up on uppity westerners who don’t subscribe to economic success unless central Kanader is in on it. Cue Equalization, because some Kanadjians are more equal than others. Western Kanaduh exempted. John Horgan is stupid declaring the Lower Mainland can go “carbon free”. I don’t see a lot of electric cars leaving the comforts of the Vancouver area, or even driving to Whistler in winter. I used to live and work there and only a retard would support Horgan’s “carbon free” dream and expect prices for electricity to not reach atmospheric levels to match demand.
I’m hoping the ME blows sky high and drives prices in central Kanader and the Maritimes to the friggin’ moon. Cue the crying.
I met some maritimers while on vacation last winter. Nice people. Easy going, laughed a lot, could tell a story. They were much friendlier than people I’ve met from Ontario. In fact, in my experience, Americans tourists much more pleasant and less stuck up than Ontario tourists. Then again maybe Ontario tourists only treat western Canadians badly.
Anyway, the odd thing about the islanders was that they really could not understand why Albertans were upset with Ottawa over equalization. “They are so rich compared to us”. The implication being one of obligation. But, that obligation goes only one way. The rest of Canada feels no reciprocal obligation to Alberta. Not just pipelines but they don’t even feel an obligation for basic politeness or unity. It’s just about getting more and more money from Alberta.
So, while I generally have good feelings towards the maritimes, I don’t see why Albertans should feel much obligation to them or the rest of Canada or Irving Oil, or Sarnia or Quebec refineries. These last few years shows how they’ll ROC will gloat and kick Alberta when it is down despite tens of thousands of Alberta workers and families in acute economic distress…but still obliged to be massive net givers into equalization.
Confederation is broken.
Jesus H. Christ. (Some say it stands for Holy, some say it stands for Harold because of, “Our Father, who art in heaven, Harold be thy name”:)
You people talk like Eastern Canada is 3 people conspiring against the West.
Try living where the Media is completely owned by one very wealthy, powerful company that has huge conflicts with government contracts. And hilariously, the CBC may be the most unfake news in town.
In 2011 Conservatives had 14 of 32 seats in Atlantic Canada. 8 in New Brunswick (with 4 of the 10 ridings predominately French)
Harper and the Conservatives lost those seats through their own incompetence.
New Brunswick, unlike Ontario, Alberta, BC, Manitoba, Saskatchewan have never been dumb enough to vote in a NDP government.
3 million people………..equalization of $4.5 billion………..hell, your so-called Conservative Governments dropped that much change between the seats as they squandered their trillion $ golden oily goose.
Now, I could educate you on the losses the Maritimes suffered through Confederation, the Transportation, Manufacturing betrayals…..heck it might even be fun to talk about government help for the West both pre and post oily days.
Maybe we can even find a copper or two for the poor farmers.
Besides, if you have ever been out of your basement, you have, right?, you should know, that despite all its faults(lots of them), Canada is still one of the best, if not the best country in the world.
You won the lottery of life just being born here.
Who would want to mess that up.
I hate to break it to you, but your politicians look just as incompetent, corrupt and self-serving as ours.
The Maritimes is an amazing place, somewhat frozen in time. A good time.
Unfortunately, the winds of change are coming.
You would be wise to check out your misconceptions before they do.
I would be remiss if I didn’t remind you that if you do drive this way, the secret is to fill up in Cornwall Ontario on the way here and Edmundston, NB on the way back.
This removes the need to stop in Quebec and is a Maritime Tradition.
I witnessed as Trudeau 1 began his Canadian Welfare Plantation in the 4 French ridings of Northern New Brunswick.
The Liberals buy these 4 seats ever since with enhanced EI and have expanded greatly. Liberals require a vote reservation.
Maybe if the farmers and the oil companies give up their multi-multi billion $ subsidies we can convince our joie de vivre clan to give up theirs!
Although Southern New Brunswickers I know will be heartbroken over the loss of their Northern NB confreres 10 week work year.
You lost me at “the CBC may be the most unfake news in town.”
Still taking Equalization to smooth your lives out?
Okay, maybe we should leave Alberta with some more of their hard found money for education. (hole digging being intellectually taxing, although not as much as scooping sand)
It’s called hyperbole.
All the other news is owned by Irving.
Whose agenda is no more mine than the CBC.
Still taking credit for being born on a pile of money?
And then losing it all to those mean Frenchies and dumb herring chokers?
9/17 – Norway’s Oil Fund Hits $1 Trillion; Meanwhile, In Alberta..
Alberta Heritage Fund = $ 18 Billion
I think I may have just invented a new meme………Alberta Smart.
Alberta has given the rest of Canada 600 billion dollars net. If they could have kept it for themselves and invested it, then they’d have a trillion too.
600 billion dollars given to Canada…pretty good for hole diggers and sand scoopers. Btw, this is exactly the type of insults that Albertans have to put up with from their friends and allies in the rest of Canada. Thanks for proving my point.
Once again: what benefits could Canadian nationalists give to convince Albertans to stay in Canada if there was an Alberta separation referendum? As yet, no one has provided any positive reasons or benefits for Alberta.
You won the lottery of life just being born here.
Speak for yourself. I’m a naturalized Canadian, having been born in Germany. My parents came over, with me in tow, expecting to take advantage of the opportunities that were here. We eventually settled in B. C. after living in Alberta for a few years.
Imagine our disappointment when many of those opportunities were denied to us because those were empty promises or were directed towards Liberal-friendly parts of the country. We expected that all Canadians everywhere would be treated equally. But, to paraphrase that famous line from Animal Farm, some Canadians turned out to be more equal than others.
We didn’t win any lottery by coming here. We expected to earn our keep and make our own way.
Let the Easterners freeze in the dark!
Nice show of appreciation for Canadians allowing you to settle here.
It’s obvious you’ve never acquired Canadian habits including hospitality and patrotism.
One can only hope you left your German ones behind and don’t spend your weekends exhorting your fellow pointy-hatted Albertans or BCers to invade Moose Jaw.
I made the mistake of assuming you were a human being capable of rational thought and sensible expression.
Oh, and by the way, my parents and I had our day in citizenship court more than 50 years ago. We demonstrated that we were worthy of becoming Canadians. Can you say the same about yourself?
“Let the Easterners freeze in the dark!”
I’m sorry, I thought I was coming down to your level.
Generalizing being the order of the day for various folk.
Born and bred. Represented country. Served. Worked many elections.
Have paid a couple boatloads of taxes through the years.
Lived in 4 provinces. People are people.
Traveled the world. Not many better than Canadians.
People or place.
Not many complain more than me.
I hope I complain about the right things like corrupt Liberals, Fake Media and phony Conservatives but I never forget how lucky I am to be Canadian, even when I’m darn pissed at all the players.
Never.
I paid my share in taxes as well. I lived in 3 provinces and traveled extensively through each of them. I grew up and was educated on this side of the pond.
But I was also one of the thousands who paid dearly for that tyrant Pierre Trudeau’s attempts to destroy the western Canadian oil and gas industry.
The country I swore my allegiance to–namely Canada–no longer exists. I became a citizen of a country in which all of its citizens, regardless of where they lived or their place of origin, were equal before God and the law. I did not swear my allegiance to Quebec in order to be its serf and become subject to its dictates nor did I pledge my loyalty to the Laurentian Elite or its government puppets.
Rupert’s Land is my country now.
“Let the Easterners freeze in the dark!”
That doesn’t sound much like “rational thought and sensible expression” to me.
JJM:
I didn’t resort to insulting canucked’s ethnic background. His comments about my ancestry, my former country of citizenship, were unwarranted.
I grew up being called rude and vicious names simply because of where I was born and because of the way I spoke when I was younger.
I didn’t think that people like him still existed in this country.
I think that only the maritimes should qualify for equalization. They have real issues and a limited opportunity to expand their economy. Quebec isn’t poor, Manitoba isn’t poor and Ontario isn’t poor. All of the big six provinces have ample population and resources so none of them should qualify for equalization except under extreme circumstances. The only reason Quebec receives so much is their politicians in the province and in Ottawa have gamed the equalization program by making sure the formula always works in their favor.
But, Canada isn’t what it used to be. I think an independent country of Alberta and Saskatchewan would be the richest country in North America within 10 years of separation (per capita). PrairieWest’s path has diverged from the rest of Canada’s. Their isn’t enough common ground or mutual respect to repair the damage done to national unity.
Then the rest of Canada won’t be forced to subsidize prairie farmers or western oil companies. And Alberta won’t have to fork over 20 billion dollars per year more than it receives in transfer payments from Ottawa and can pursue it’s economic interests without interference from Ottawa. Canada also immediately meets it Paris Treaty committment. Everybody gets what they say they want.
In it’s current state, confederation isn’t working well for Alberta and Saskatchewan. As I’ve asked before, what benefits could nationalists give to convince Albertans to stay in Canada if there was an Alberta separation referendum? As yet, no one has provided any positive reasons or benefits for Alberta.
“I think that only the maritimes should qualify for equalization.”
I knew an Albertan who was bringing wealth to New Brunswick by fracking. Then the useless pieces of shit tanked their own economy by banning fracking. The Maritime tradition is working 10 weeks, waiting 2 weeks and cashing cheques for 40 weeks. They care about nothing more. They are a failed people. The taxes in the Maritimes are too high for business to survive so they spend money taxed from Alberta business instead.
The Provincial Liberal Party banned fracking.
Environmental hysteria is pretty widespread and Liberals take advantage. They were defeated recently and the PC government is trying to restart.
The 10 week thing is only in certain areas and is mostly politically motivated. You’d think you guys never heard of Liberals before.
And I’ll guarantee you that subsidy pales in comparison to oil, gas and farm subsidies.
Yes, that possible 2% more in business taxes is a game changer, in that it shows you just spouted with no idea of facts.
Of course, you have to be pretty ignorant to generalize about a failed people, so I’ll make allowance for that.
So let’s hear all about your personal success.
I’ll bet I have more money, better job, nicer house, better career, better wife, more accomplishments etc than you.
And I’m a Maritimer, osswipe.
“I think an independent country of Alberta and Saskatchewan would be the richest country in North America within 10 years of separation (per capita).”
Generations to come hope you think right.
Saskaberta conversation heard circa year 2167:
Citizen1: sure is tough times in Saskaberta these days
Citizen2: Yep. Too bad everyone listened to that LC Bennett fellow back in 2019 when he thought we would be rich
Citizen1: Well, to be fair, who knew the Maritimes would invent a nuclear device that would make fossil fuels obsolete in 2021? They sure are awful rich.
Citizen2: And don’t forget the endless NDP governments because of Sask. That sure hasn’t helped. I wonder if they remember Equalization?
Don’t worry, Maritimers would never let you freeze in the dark.
Well, if were going to rely on fantasy scenarios instead of likely scenarios then I think you’ve run out of convincing arguments. Admit it. You can not think of even one benefit for Alberta in Canadian confederation.
Anyway, the more likely scenario if Alberta leaves is Alberta having an extra 20 billion dollars finds itself free and unshackled by Ottawa’s environmental regulations, taxes, marketing boards, equalization obligations, etc. It can negotiate it’s own trade deals to sell its oil, agricultural products, uranium, potash and other resources without worrying about marketing boards, cultural content or other sacred cows. No longer being caged by Canada’s cartels, it opens up its banking, airline and telecom industry. Alberta now has lower taxes, energy prices, banking fees, cell service, airline and cost of living than any Canadian province. Like Ireland, this draws in new head offices, entrepreneurs, investment and small businesses.
Meanwhile, rating agencies look at the rest of Canada’s massive federal and provincial national and subnational and then calculates the permanent loss of one its main economic engines so they cut Canada’s credit rating. The loss of 20billion per year from Alberta plus the higher interest rates on debt create a huge budget nightmare for Ottawa. It has to cut everything and raise taxes thus entering a viscous cycle of crippling debt payments, lower GDP, less business friendly climate, fewer services, growing pension liabilities and an aging population.
Canadian boy asks his dad, “The country of Alberta is so rich. We had a pretty good deal when they were one of our provinces, paying more than their fair share to Canada coffers. Why did you guys push them out of Canada?”
That kind of scenario makes me wonder if Peyoteland isn’t next door to Lotusland.
Given your track record, particularly recently, hello NDP, hello, Wildweed…………just who is going to lead you to this nirvana?
The Conservatives? Are there actual people that will make this fantasy happen?
You may have more luck with the other Trudeau brother.
I’m pretty sure he hasn’t lost a trillion yet.
I’m reminded of what Patrick Henry said:
“Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
I have hot tapped more than one hole into those Above Ground Storage Tanks.
So Canada buys the majority of Suadi Oil.
We can’t get pipelines built to the east or west coast.
Harper and the CPC tried and failed and Scheer is no Harper.
Trudeau is a joke on everything!
Why don’t we finally get off the LibCons corrupt merry-go-round
I’ll bet I have more money, better job, nicer house, better career, better wife, more accomplishments etc than you.
And I’m a Maritimer, osswipe.”
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(Yikes! That motor who goes by the name canucked …
…….what a rude show off.
•First- Maritimers don’t usually ‘talk’ like that.
•Second- could this person be a government troll?
•Third- has to be a LIBERAL.
•Fourth- sounds like you know who. Could it be him? Used …….to be a Maritimer)
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Nice person. Has lots to say. Cough
As opposed to yourself who has absolutely nothing to say worth replying to.
But we can play swat the fly.
You can blame that on the environmental whackjobs on the left for stopping progress on the energy east pipeline. It will one day make a comeback when we return to a conservative lead government but for the foreseeable future where stuck with Enbridge number 9 until then.
That’s the vicious cycle of life for you
The proper statement is “Let the Eastern Bastards freeze in the dark.”
This is the line used since Pierre Trudeau’s NEP.
And it is even more applicable today.
The killing of the Energy East pipeline, and the LPCs fealty to the Irving family put them in the situation they’re in now.
Enjoy your winter in the dark, we won’t be able to see all your virtue signalling.
Another brilliant Canadian Education System graduate who apparently believes everyone east of Calgary and sometimes Regina, is a Liberal, thinks, acts and votes exactly the same, and only exists to steal “Westerner’s money”.
Now, I realize most of the usual suspects have the intellectual capacity of a fly on the wall, but please, smarten the heck up.
No, I’m a victim of the NEP, while part of the Canadian Education System.
For far too long, the majority of Eastern Canada has been feed the carrot of equalization payments, and continues to shat on Western Canadians who feed them the carrots.
It’s time they got the stick instead.
No, they don’t all vote Liberal, they vote for whomever will retain the system of largess, that they enjoy.
As in the line Kate uses for headlines, appeasing your enemies does not make them your friends.
In Canadian economics, the East looks at the West as the economic hinterland, to be exploited for their gain.
(Trudeau the first, “Why should I sell your wheat?” (my emphasis.)
This is a continuation of the economic hinterland philosophy that led European nations (France, England) to exploit natural resources in Canada, to their benefit, and not the benefit of where the resources were taken (fur trade, and later the square lumber trade.)
It’s a shame Canucked doesn’t recognize the reality of Canadian economics. “Hewers of wood and drawers of water…” to the benefit of the Eastern Canada Robber Barons.
Al the fish
B. Commerce (Honours)
BA Economics, Political Science
Makes you wonder who actually attacked that Saudi oil facility.
What did the Iranians gain from it? What could they have possibly gained? The fact that everyone in the world knew about the vulnerability, for decades, and the Iranians never attacked it before…
Where were Al Gore and David Suzuki?
It looks like the pipeline blocking Liberals are out in Canada. Looks like the pipeline do nothing Scheer will get in, and I will not even bother saying I told you so to the cult fanatics here who insist that anyone who is not Trudeau can implement Trudeau’s plans without any complaint.
I am beginning to think it was an American drone, and it was the deep state what done it. Where was the litigious cock womble on the day in question? They will do anything necessary, after all…
No, I’m a victim of the NEP, while part of the Canadian Education System.
For far too long, the majority of Eastern Canada has been feed the carrot of equalization payments, and continues to shat on Western Canadians who feed them the carrots.
It’s time they got the stick instead.
No, they don’t all vote Liberal, they vote for whomever will retain the system of largess, that they enjoy.
As in the line Kate uses for headlines, appeasing your enemies does not make them your friends.
In Canadian economics, the East looks at the West as the economic hinterland, to be exploited for their gain.
(Trudeau the first, “Why should I sell your wheat?” (my emphasis.)
This is a continuation of the economic hinterland philosophy that led European nations (France, England) to exploit natural resources in Canada, to their benefit, and not the benefit of where the resources were taken (fur trade, and later the square lumber trade.)
It’s a shame Canucked doesn’t recognize the reality of Canadian economics. “Hewers of wood and drawers of water…” to the benefit of the Eastern Canada Robber Barons.
Shoulda had a pipeline.
Why don’t I feel sorry for them?
Don’t worry. If Alberta will sell oil to Quebec at say $10/bbl then Quebec will allow a pipeline. Of course Quebec will then sell the oil at world prices.
Quebec doesn’t have to get their hands dirty/greasy. They more than get their cut via equalization and preferred contracts. Top that with direct federal subsidies. I estimate their take at +/- $25 to $30 Billion. For Ontario that is the cost of doing business as the Quebec votes keeps them in federal government. Any two provinces that would vote a moron into federal government leadership deserve their inevitable collapse.
CT, I agree Quebec more than gets it’s cut through equalization. But I suspect they’ll want more and the Churchill Falls hydro “deal” provides a good template (from Quebec’s point of view).
If Quebec was to separate it would be a good thing. Trudeau would go with them.
If Alberta will sell oil to Quebec at say $10/bbl
That was one of the issues of the oil war between Ottawa and Alberta 40 years ago. Alberta wanted to sell oil to Quebec for world prices and Quebec, being the spoiled brat province that we’ve come to know and loathe, expected to get it for dirt cheap.
Eventually, Alberta and Ottawa made peace and signed an agreement. Shortly thereafter, Marc Lalonde, Minister for Screwing Alberta, inflicted the NEP on western Canada. In the long run, Quebec got what it always wanted.
They are already doing that. They are using Canuck oil and charging world price.They have no intention of paying more if there is a pipeline. We have to appeal to their greed by saying there will be a lot more in equalization if there is a pipeline and when it is built make a lame excuse. Works for them.
The eastern half of the northern section of North America is a piece of land that I do not care about in the slightest. They are dead to me.
I’m sure the Prime Minister can get on the phone and get his friends in the White House to help out.
Ring . . . ring . . .
I’ma waiting for unDork to come in here and blame Trump for all this because he pulled out of O’Butthole’s nuke deal with Iterrorists
If the Irving’s decide they need a pipeline it is within the realm of possibility that Trudeau would invoke the War Measures Act or some other crisis statute to shove one through for them with no reviews required.
History rhymes?
“just watch” him?
SNC-L to do the engineering, procurement and construction using pipe from other projects that aren’t going to happen?
Let everyone of those Eastern Bastards FREEZE….forever.
Quebec: A virtual cesspool of corruption ridden malignancy that must be excised – either they leave or we do…..and I have been waiting since ’81 to see this province do what it should have back then.
Most of the Alberta oil, per the article, is exported to the US. As it should be.
The Liberals won China’s help stealing the 2015 election by promising a pipeline to China. Fortunately, Trudeau’s incompetence prevented that from happening.
What we need is not a pipeline to China. It’s regime change, courtesy of the armed forces of the United States. Get rid of the problem and only the problem—the liquidation of the Chinese puppet government in Ottawa.
You are dead wrong. TMX to the Vancouver area is not designed to supply far eastern, or even China markets. Gateway was. Trudeau .gov killed that one day one, sticking it to China and other far east customers. Smart move, eh?
TMX is limited to filling tankers to supply west coast USA and supplying crude to the Seattle area, because there is no other pipeline access from US oil fields into the area. Period.
You can’t get an Asian bound tanker big enough to make it pay, under the First Narrows bridge in Vancouver, so that crude will be directed to US interests at a discount because central Kanader are clueless and just love beating up on uppity westerners who don’t subscribe to economic success unless central Kanader is in on it. Cue Equalization, because some Kanadjians are more equal than others. Western Kanaduh exempted. John Horgan is stupid declaring the Lower Mainland can go “carbon free”. I don’t see a lot of electric cars leaving the comforts of the Vancouver area, or even driving to Whistler in winter. I used to live and work there and only a retard would support Horgan’s “carbon free” dream and expect prices for electricity to not reach atmospheric levels to match demand.
I’m hoping the ME blows sky high and drives prices in central Kanader and the Maritimes to the friggin’ moon. Cue the crying.
I met some maritimers while on vacation last winter. Nice people. Easy going, laughed a lot, could tell a story. They were much friendlier than people I’ve met from Ontario. In fact, in my experience, Americans tourists much more pleasant and less stuck up than Ontario tourists. Then again maybe Ontario tourists only treat western Canadians badly.
Anyway, the odd thing about the islanders was that they really could not understand why Albertans were upset with Ottawa over equalization. “They are so rich compared to us”. The implication being one of obligation. But, that obligation goes only one way. The rest of Canada feels no reciprocal obligation to Alberta. Not just pipelines but they don’t even feel an obligation for basic politeness or unity. It’s just about getting more and more money from Alberta.
So, while I generally have good feelings towards the maritimes, I don’t see why Albertans should feel much obligation to them or the rest of Canada or Irving Oil, or Sarnia or Quebec refineries. These last few years shows how they’ll ROC will gloat and kick Alberta when it is down despite tens of thousands of Alberta workers and families in acute economic distress…but still obliged to be massive net givers into equalization.
Confederation is broken.
Jesus H. Christ. (Some say it stands for Holy, some say it stands for Harold because of, “Our Father, who art in heaven, Harold be thy name”:)
You people talk like Eastern Canada is 3 people conspiring against the West.
Try living where the Media is completely owned by one very wealthy, powerful company that has huge conflicts with government contracts. And hilariously, the CBC may be the most unfake news in town.
In 2011 Conservatives had 14 of 32 seats in Atlantic Canada. 8 in New Brunswick (with 4 of the 10 ridings predominately French)
Harper and the Conservatives lost those seats through their own incompetence.
New Brunswick, unlike Ontario, Alberta, BC, Manitoba, Saskatchewan have never been dumb enough to vote in a NDP government.
3 million people………..equalization of $4.5 billion………..hell, your so-called Conservative Governments dropped that much change between the seats as they squandered their trillion $ golden oily goose.
Now, I could educate you on the losses the Maritimes suffered through Confederation, the Transportation, Manufacturing betrayals…..heck it might even be fun to talk about government help for the West both pre and post oily days.
Maybe we can even find a copper or two for the poor farmers.
Besides, if you have ever been out of your basement, you have, right?, you should know, that despite all its faults(lots of them), Canada is still one of the best, if not the best country in the world.
You won the lottery of life just being born here.
Who would want to mess that up.
I hate to break it to you, but your politicians look just as incompetent, corrupt and self-serving as ours.
The Maritimes is an amazing place, somewhat frozen in time. A good time.
Unfortunately, the winds of change are coming.
You would be wise to check out your misconceptions before they do.
I would be remiss if I didn’t remind you that if you do drive this way, the secret is to fill up in Cornwall Ontario on the way here and Edmundston, NB on the way back.
This removes the need to stop in Quebec and is a Maritime Tradition.
I witnessed as Trudeau 1 began his Canadian Welfare Plantation in the 4 French ridings of Northern New Brunswick.
The Liberals buy these 4 seats ever since with enhanced EI and have expanded greatly. Liberals require a vote reservation.
Maybe if the farmers and the oil companies give up their multi-multi billion $ subsidies we can convince our joie de vivre clan to give up theirs!
Although Southern New Brunswickers I know will be heartbroken over the loss of their Northern NB confreres 10 week work year.
You lost me at “the CBC may be the most unfake news in town.”
Still taking Equalization to smooth your lives out?
Okay, maybe we should leave Alberta with some more of their hard found money for education. (hole digging being intellectually taxing, although not as much as scooping sand)
It’s called hyperbole.
All the other news is owned by Irving.
Whose agenda is no more mine than the CBC.
Still taking credit for being born on a pile of money?
And then losing it all to those mean Frenchies and dumb herring chokers?
9/17 – Norway’s Oil Fund Hits $1 Trillion; Meanwhile, In Alberta..
Alberta Heritage Fund = $ 18 Billion
I think I may have just invented a new meme………Alberta Smart.
Alberta has given the rest of Canada 600 billion dollars net. If they could have kept it for themselves and invested it, then they’d have a trillion too.
600 billion dollars given to Canada…pretty good for hole diggers and sand scoopers. Btw, this is exactly the type of insults that Albertans have to put up with from their friends and allies in the rest of Canada. Thanks for proving my point.
Once again: what benefits could Canadian nationalists give to convince Albertans to stay in Canada if there was an Alberta separation referendum? As yet, no one has provided any positive reasons or benefits for Alberta.
You won the lottery of life just being born here.
Speak for yourself. I’m a naturalized Canadian, having been born in Germany. My parents came over, with me in tow, expecting to take advantage of the opportunities that were here. We eventually settled in B. C. after living in Alberta for a few years.
Imagine our disappointment when many of those opportunities were denied to us because those were empty promises or were directed towards Liberal-friendly parts of the country. We expected that all Canadians everywhere would be treated equally. But, to paraphrase that famous line from Animal Farm, some Canadians turned out to be more equal than others.
We didn’t win any lottery by coming here. We expected to earn our keep and make our own way.
Let the Easterners freeze in the dark!
Nice show of appreciation for Canadians allowing you to settle here.
It’s obvious you’ve never acquired Canadian habits including hospitality and patrotism.
One can only hope you left your German ones behind and don’t spend your weekends exhorting your fellow pointy-hatted Albertans or BCers to invade Moose Jaw.
I made the mistake of assuming you were a human being capable of rational thought and sensible expression.
Oh, and by the way, my parents and I had our day in citizenship court more than 50 years ago. We demonstrated that we were worthy of becoming Canadians. Can you say the same about yourself?
“Let the Easterners freeze in the dark!”
I’m sorry, I thought I was coming down to your level.
Generalizing being the order of the day for various folk.
Born and bred. Represented country. Served. Worked many elections.
Have paid a couple boatloads of taxes through the years.
Lived in 4 provinces. People are people.
Traveled the world. Not many better than Canadians.
People or place.
Not many complain more than me.
I hope I complain about the right things like corrupt Liberals, Fake Media and phony Conservatives but I never forget how lucky I am to be Canadian, even when I’m darn pissed at all the players.
Never.
I paid my share in taxes as well. I lived in 3 provinces and traveled extensively through each of them. I grew up and was educated on this side of the pond.
But I was also one of the thousands who paid dearly for that tyrant Pierre Trudeau’s attempts to destroy the western Canadian oil and gas industry.
The country I swore my allegiance to–namely Canada–no longer exists. I became a citizen of a country in which all of its citizens, regardless of where they lived or their place of origin, were equal before God and the law. I did not swear my allegiance to Quebec in order to be its serf and become subject to its dictates nor did I pledge my loyalty to the Laurentian Elite or its government puppets.
Rupert’s Land is my country now.
“Let the Easterners freeze in the dark!”
That doesn’t sound much like “rational thought and sensible expression” to me.
JJM:
I didn’t resort to insulting canucked’s ethnic background. His comments about my ancestry, my former country of citizenship, were unwarranted.
I grew up being called rude and vicious names simply because of where I was born and because of the way I spoke when I was younger.
I didn’t think that people like him still existed in this country.
I think that only the maritimes should qualify for equalization. They have real issues and a limited opportunity to expand their economy. Quebec isn’t poor, Manitoba isn’t poor and Ontario isn’t poor. All of the big six provinces have ample population and resources so none of them should qualify for equalization except under extreme circumstances. The only reason Quebec receives so much is their politicians in the province and in Ottawa have gamed the equalization program by making sure the formula always works in their favor.
But, Canada isn’t what it used to be. I think an independent country of Alberta and Saskatchewan would be the richest country in North America within 10 years of separation (per capita). PrairieWest’s path has diverged from the rest of Canada’s. Their isn’t enough common ground or mutual respect to repair the damage done to national unity.
Then the rest of Canada won’t be forced to subsidize prairie farmers or western oil companies. And Alberta won’t have to fork over 20 billion dollars per year more than it receives in transfer payments from Ottawa and can pursue it’s economic interests without interference from Ottawa. Canada also immediately meets it Paris Treaty committment. Everybody gets what they say they want.
In it’s current state, confederation isn’t working well for Alberta and Saskatchewan. As I’ve asked before, what benefits could nationalists give to convince Albertans to stay in Canada if there was an Alberta separation referendum? As yet, no one has provided any positive reasons or benefits for Alberta.
“I think that only the maritimes should qualify for equalization.”
I knew an Albertan who was bringing wealth to New Brunswick by fracking. Then the useless pieces of shit tanked their own economy by banning fracking. The Maritime tradition is working 10 weeks, waiting 2 weeks and cashing cheques for 40 weeks. They care about nothing more. They are a failed people. The taxes in the Maritimes are too high for business to survive so they spend money taxed from Alberta business instead.
The Provincial Liberal Party banned fracking.
Environmental hysteria is pretty widespread and Liberals take advantage. They were defeated recently and the PC government is trying to restart.
The 10 week thing is only in certain areas and is mostly politically motivated. You’d think you guys never heard of Liberals before.
And I’ll guarantee you that subsidy pales in comparison to oil, gas and farm subsidies.
Yes, that possible 2% more in business taxes is a game changer, in that it shows you just spouted with no idea of facts.
Of course, you have to be pretty ignorant to generalize about a failed people, so I’ll make allowance for that.
So let’s hear all about your personal success.
I’ll bet I have more money, better job, nicer house, better career, better wife, more accomplishments etc than you.
And I’m a Maritimer, osswipe.
“I think an independent country of Alberta and Saskatchewan would be the richest country in North America within 10 years of separation (per capita).”
Generations to come hope you think right.
Saskaberta conversation heard circa year 2167:
Citizen1: sure is tough times in Saskaberta these days
Citizen2: Yep. Too bad everyone listened to that LC Bennett fellow back in 2019 when he thought we would be rich
Citizen1: Well, to be fair, who knew the Maritimes would invent a nuclear device that would make fossil fuels obsolete in 2021? They sure are awful rich.
Citizen2: And don’t forget the endless NDP governments because of Sask. That sure hasn’t helped. I wonder if they remember Equalization?
Don’t worry, Maritimers would never let you freeze in the dark.
Well, if were going to rely on fantasy scenarios instead of likely scenarios then I think you’ve run out of convincing arguments. Admit it. You can not think of even one benefit for Alberta in Canadian confederation.
Anyway, the more likely scenario if Alberta leaves is Alberta having an extra 20 billion dollars finds itself free and unshackled by Ottawa’s environmental regulations, taxes, marketing boards, equalization obligations, etc. It can negotiate it’s own trade deals to sell its oil, agricultural products, uranium, potash and other resources without worrying about marketing boards, cultural content or other sacred cows. No longer being caged by Canada’s cartels, it opens up its banking, airline and telecom industry. Alberta now has lower taxes, energy prices, banking fees, cell service, airline and cost of living than any Canadian province. Like Ireland, this draws in new head offices, entrepreneurs, investment and small businesses.
Meanwhile, rating agencies look at the rest of Canada’s massive federal and provincial national and subnational and then calculates the permanent loss of one its main economic engines so they cut Canada’s credit rating. The loss of 20billion per year from Alberta plus the higher interest rates on debt create a huge budget nightmare for Ottawa. It has to cut everything and raise taxes thus entering a viscous cycle of crippling debt payments, lower GDP, less business friendly climate, fewer services, growing pension liabilities and an aging population.
Canadian boy asks his dad, “The country of Alberta is so rich. We had a pretty good deal when they were one of our provinces, paying more than their fair share to Canada coffers. Why did you guys push them out of Canada?”
That kind of scenario makes me wonder if Peyoteland isn’t next door to Lotusland.
Given your track record, particularly recently, hello NDP, hello, Wildweed…………just who is going to lead you to this nirvana?
The Conservatives? Are there actual people that will make this fantasy happen?
You may have more luck with the other Trudeau brother.
I’m pretty sure he hasn’t lost a trillion yet.
I’m reminded of what Patrick Henry said:
“Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
I have hot tapped more than one hole into those Above Ground Storage Tanks.
So Canada buys the majority of Suadi Oil.
We can’t get pipelines built to the east or west coast.
Harper and the CPC tried and failed and Scheer is no Harper.
Trudeau is a joke on everything!
Why don’t we finally get off the LibCons corrupt merry-go-round
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And put
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“So let’s hear all about your personal success.
I’ll bet I have more money, better job, nicer house, better career, better wife, more accomplishments etc than you.
And I’m a Maritimer, osswipe.”
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(Yikes! That motor who goes by the name canucked …
…….what a rude show off.
•First- Maritimers don’t usually ‘talk’ like that.
•Second- could this person be a government troll?
•Third- has to be a LIBERAL.
•Fourth- sounds like you know who. Could it be him? Used …….to be a Maritimer)
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Nice person. Has lots to say. Cough
As opposed to yourself who has absolutely nothing to say worth replying to.
But we can play swat the fly.
You can blame that on the environmental whackjobs on the left for stopping progress on the energy east pipeline. It will one day make a comeback when we return to a conservative lead government but for the foreseeable future where stuck with Enbridge number 9 until then.
That’s the vicious cycle of life for you
The proper statement is “Let the Eastern Bastards freeze in the dark.”
This is the line used since Pierre Trudeau’s NEP.
And it is even more applicable today.
The killing of the Energy East pipeline, and the LPCs fealty to the Irving family put them in the situation they’re in now.
Enjoy your winter in the dark, we won’t be able to see all your virtue signalling.
Another brilliant Canadian Education System graduate who apparently believes everyone east of Calgary and sometimes Regina, is a Liberal, thinks, acts and votes exactly the same, and only exists to steal “Westerner’s money”.
Now, I realize most of the usual suspects have the intellectual capacity of a fly on the wall, but please, smarten the heck up.
No, I’m a victim of the NEP, while part of the Canadian Education System.
For far too long, the majority of Eastern Canada has been feed the carrot of equalization payments, and continues to shat on Western Canadians who feed them the carrots.
It’s time they got the stick instead.
No, they don’t all vote Liberal, they vote for whomever will retain the system of largess, that they enjoy.
As in the line Kate uses for headlines, appeasing your enemies does not make them your friends.
In Canadian economics, the East looks at the West as the economic hinterland, to be exploited for their gain.
(Trudeau the first, “Why should I sell your wheat?” (my emphasis.)
This is a continuation of the economic hinterland philosophy that led European nations (France, England) to exploit natural resources in Canada, to their benefit, and not the benefit of where the resources were taken (fur trade, and later the square lumber trade.)
It’s a shame Canucked doesn’t recognize the reality of Canadian economics. “Hewers of wood and drawers of water…” to the benefit of the Eastern Canada Robber Barons.
Al the fish
B. Commerce (Honours)
BA Economics, Political Science
Makes you wonder who actually attacked that Saudi oil facility.
What did the Iranians gain from it? What could they have possibly gained? The fact that everyone in the world knew about the vulnerability, for decades, and the Iranians never attacked it before…
Where were Al Gore and David Suzuki?
It looks like the pipeline blocking Liberals are out in Canada. Looks like the pipeline do nothing Scheer will get in, and I will not even bother saying I told you so to the cult fanatics here who insist that anyone who is not Trudeau can implement Trudeau’s plans without any complaint.
I am beginning to think it was an American drone, and it was the deep state what done it. Where was the litigious cock womble on the day in question? They will do anything necessary, after all…
No, I’m a victim of the NEP, while part of the Canadian Education System.
For far too long, the majority of Eastern Canada has been feed the carrot of equalization payments, and continues to shat on Western Canadians who feed them the carrots.
It’s time they got the stick instead.
No, they don’t all vote Liberal, they vote for whomever will retain the system of largess, that they enjoy.
As in the line Kate uses for headlines, appeasing your enemies does not make them your friends.
In Canadian economics, the East looks at the West as the economic hinterland, to be exploited for their gain.
(Trudeau the first, “Why should I sell your wheat?” (my emphasis.)
This is a continuation of the economic hinterland philosophy that led European nations (France, England) to exploit natural resources in Canada, to their benefit, and not the benefit of where the resources were taken (fur trade, and later the square lumber trade.)
It’s a shame Canucked doesn’t recognize the reality of Canadian economics. “Hewers of wood and drawers of water…” to the benefit of the Eastern Canada Robber Barons.