73 Replies to “Tommy Douglas: Not Dead Enough”

      1. *
        i’ve been on a waiting list for years now. list don’t
        mean sh!t if there’s no doctors available.

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    3. Voted. The Yes side is winning by a 2:1 margin. What a surprise in a nation of slugs. They always want someone else to pay for their stuff.

      1. And they can’t understand they are someone else’s someone else. The politician who tells you he will get the rich to pay for the things he’s promising you for free, will always find potential voters who have less money than you have and he will promise them stuff for free to be paid for by someone who has more money than them.

        Look in the mirror, mugs.

  2. And when St. Tommy was not administering cankers and boils he was advocating for sterilization of the useless eaters. He was a blood brother to Adolph Hitler. Turn over a rock in Canada find a NAZI. Many of them political leaders like TC Douglas and Pierre Trudeau, who terrorized Jews in Montreal during ww2. This is why they want to censor old news archives and DELETE DELETE DELETE. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/tommy-douglas

    1. After an eight day stay in hospital I can see why this happened. Nursing is no longer nursing. They all now consider themselves to be pseudo doctors and the tasks they Used to deal with they now consider to be beneath them. Each nurse operates as an individual island with no direction from a head nurse. I found them to have varying degrees of competency. For example one nurse told me that it takes two hours for a painkiller to take effect. Anyone who has ever taken an aspirin for a headache knows that’s simply wrong. One nurse told me that if you went four days without a bowel movement you have constipation. Another nurse told me that it was two days.

        1. Or perhaps the patients were. Literally.

          Anyway, my mother said the same thing. She was a Commonwealth-educated nurse and was appalled by Canadian nursing. When she tried to re-enter the profession in this country, they didn’t take her credentials seriously because everyone knows that only Canada has nurses.

          Canadians are pig-ignorant philistines and national chauvinists. How many bed sores will they ignore in order to defend their “universal” healthcare?

      2. I find that with many medical support staff. The attitude is “Physicians are smart. I work with physicians, therefore I am smart.”

      3. The entire “profession”, in my opinion, is a joke. Pretentious poseurs all. It started with the election of the NDP Bob Rae government in Ontario. They moved unemployed high school dropouts into RN training courses at a community college level. Those that couldn’t pass the finals threatened to sue and were given accreditation.
        The bar was lowered so far that after all the RNs with Bachelor Degrees retired we have been left with a union driven clutch of low skilled know-nothings. As for the self regulating College of Nurses, they appear to only advocate for nurses and seldom regulate. That, I believe, is one reason the OCN has mass murderers in their ranks, such as Wettlauffer.

  3. But we’ve got the best health care system in the world!!!

    Here’s something to think about folks: twenty years from now we will be looking back on this and calling it “the good old days”.

  4. All you have to look at is the, uhm, culture of the personal support workers who were attending them.

    That’s our future. That is how many boomers are going to end.

    Lying in the stink of their piss and shit as they die while the third world we imported to do our work point and laugh at us for the suckers we were.

  5. Remember, right to die NEVER becomes duty. The government always has your best interests in mind …. There are no death lists, and there is no rationing to control costs … And Jack Layton never went to the Mayo Clinic for better more timely care than you had access too …

    1. YES is leading by a lot.
      62%-38%

      I guess Canadians do like being good little Communists.

      Ok, this is the second time this reply comment was moved to the wrong line. W. T. F?

  6. “Moss said the hospital has described the case as “a big miscommunication breakdown on all levels.” Even so, she commended the hospital for doing a sweep of the facility, which she says found 21 other patients with bedsores.”

    ———

    Twenty One (21) other patients with bedsores. —- Can you say complete failure to provide basic care to bed-bound patients?

    Your Government at Work. Well Compensated. Great Benefits. Fantastic Job Security. Uninformed. Incompetent. Unaccountable. Uncaring.

    Thank God I live in the US where we have private health services. Six months on a wait list instead of a few days.

  7. If you don’t have a disease, just go to a Canadian hospital. You’ll get one soon enough.
    So some peon goes to the doctor and is told an operation is required. Blah, blah, blah then they’re put on a waiting list.
    Next day a doctor, or a nurse, police officer, firefighter, councillor, mayor, MPP or an MP or maybe even a PM goes to the same doctor, gets the same diagnosis and is told the same operation is required. Blah, blah, blah the peon is definitely now lower down on the list.

  8. We can’t afford to look after Canadians but we can bring in unlimited immigrant parents of cab drivers and 7-11 clerks for knees, hips, and bypasses.

  9. I have recent first-hand experience with Canada’s healthcare system. The ‘care’ from nurses is abysmal. Alert chimes run for 20 minutes before a nurse sees what’s going on. Patient call bells go unanswered. Patients lay in urine-soaked sheets for 30 minutes or more. No oral hygiene care. Almost no contact with patients whatsoever. People who obviously can’t feed themselves have their food dropped in front of them and nobody helps them.

    Farm animals are treated better than people are. But it’s free. And the union says “Care comes first.” BS. Paperwork, chatting with other nurses, and whatever is on their phone comes first.

    1. I was in the Royal Alex hospital in Edmonton for a heart procedure. In the middle of the night for about an hour every heart monitor was beeping for maybe 50 patients in the wing and nobody checked on anyone. Maybe they had an emergency. More likely the emergency was lunch or a megadump.

  10. A compassionate Bureaucracy?
    Now that is the definition of Oxymoron.
    A million or more will be spent “Investigating” to discover that basic common sense care, helping the bed-bound move regularly…IS NOT included in THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.
    And in fact a healthcare worker who hurts themselves attempting to rotate a suffering patient,while working alone, will be penalized.
    This waiting system we call “free healthcare” is appalling.
    My region has no shortage of administrators,they out number the medical staff,who are still getting the shaft.
    Unworkable shifts,always under staffed and pissed upon for caring.

    If you have never been at the mercies of the bureaus,you might still have the illusion that a distant bureaucracy has any room for compassion.
    The rest of us know,the greater the distance the less accountable they become.
    Health and welfare are local concerns and only workable when local.
    As the cost of our healthcare bureaus continue to rise,exclusions will increase.
    Monetarily the comedy is this,we have no end to administrators,tasked with ensuring the staff are not stealing,that out of province persons get no free care,ensuring that we citizens are registered and house broken..
    Yet they cost more than the worst case ,where all the staff are stealing and selling drugs and the maintenance staff building mansions…

    There is no reform of this sacred cow.
    The emotional response is ingrained in school,”BUT FREE HEALTHCARE”
    We need a new elite,by reversing the tax system.
    Pay taxes locally,never more than 10%.
    Let the local government give the province 10% of their take and the Province pass on 10% of their take to the feds,for military/coast guard.
    For the welfare intitiatives have bankrupted Canada.

  11. How do you spell S-U-P-E-R-V-I-S-E-D NEGLECT…?

    Should make for a nice court case.

    Cheers

    Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

    1. “Should make for a nice court case.”

      In a civilized country maybe, not in Canada. It is practically impossible to win a case against medical apparatchicks in Canada. They can kill your loved ones and go home laughing about it. They’re even worse than police.

      1. colon, and another area of your non-expertise. My friend hired a lawyer, a real lawyer, ad got things sorted out toot sweet. Now I could offer you some classes as to what a real lawyer is, butt it would cost you. Butt here’s a hint, you most likely can’t afford a lawyer, so you hire ambulance chasers.

    3. My brother and wife lost their 22 week unborn baby boy because mom’s appendix burst. 11 doctors, including specialist, and nurses never caught the reason for her “discomfort”. She gave birth to him and they got to hold him for the next hour before he died from the toxins.
      At the medical lawsuit inquiry one of the nurses confided with them privately that one of the nurses or doctors changed the chart which would have proven their guilt. But, because of the ” system” protecting them, there was no way of proving the changed documents.

      I have lots more to say, but all I can be sure of is that God is a very good accountant, there will some day be a reckoning which will be the truth and totally accurate. Mercy or judgement and punishment await that trial.

      1. Sorry for the loss of your nephew, and condolences to your brother and wife.

        Unfortunately, the system will “protect itself” because government delivered services are always ‘right’. I suppose we shouldn’t expect much now that doctors are ‘approved assassins’ for the unborn and the elderly.

        But then it is the disciples of Thomas Malthus who are running the show; ie those who believe there are too many humans; so this is just the culling process to ‘protect the planet’.

        Cheers

        Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
        1st Saint Nicolaas Army
        Army Group “True North”

        1. Thanks, 25 years ago now, would have been just a few weeks older than our daughter. Hard to speak about it with her around them. Lots of anger and distrust with the “system” in our family. Hard to believe that so much harm has come from those who say they are there to help and save lives. Seems the opposite more often than not.

          1. I am truly sorry for your loss. Twenty five years ago or not, one never forgets such pain.

            I once heard of a story of a nurse who discretely followed a patient outside to his/ her car after seeing a doctor in Emergency. She told the patient to go elsewhere for a second opinion because the nurse knew that the young doctor was dead wrong. She strongly advised them not to fill out the given prescription. That nurse may have saved a life that day.

            She was a great person to have taken this chance. She told the patient that they had nothing to lose and everything to gain. She may have been right. Sometimes little miracles happen here and there.

            I hope this story is of some consolation to you.

      2. So sorry to hear about your family tragedy. Unfortunately in Canada victims of publik sektor failure and unaccountability are routinely left without any effective means to fight back. And that in turn encourages more negligence and outright malice.

  12. That’s compassion.
    Now spending your own money to relieve your suffering or the suffering of your loved ones is the real evil. /s

    Who in their right mind supports giving the government and the corrupt unions a monopoly on your health care?

    And if the government unions are so dead set against two tier health care in Canada why do all of their union contracts have extended health care benefits?
    Isn’t that two tier health care?

    1. Yes Stan,you touch on the rank hypocrisy of our healthcare,those paid to provide and administer said public healthcare,have a separate and private healthcare deal.
      None of them are subject to the product they provide.
      Not our fearless politicians,not the glorious civil service and not the actual healthcare workers,doctors and nurses being a tiny minority in this bureau.

    2. Sorry Stan , the giving over of medical care, NOT HEALTH CARE, happened quite some time ago, about 1967.

  13. Everyone makes fun of American health care and wishes it was more like Canada.

    My wife fell and hurt her knee. 3 month wait list in Canada to get an MRI or same day service for $US 500 in Buffalo.

    1. What’s even worse is that our health care act won’t allow you to pay a private Canadian company to get that MRI. (The neo-Marxists scream: “That’s two-tier!”) So if you take your money out of the country that equals job losses plus less taxation . . . to pay for the health care everyone says is underfunded.
      The fact that the government won’t allow private industry to alleviate the burden FOR FREE is ludicrous.

      1. Even worse is the possibility that your doctor won’t look at the American MRI so you have to wait anyway.

        2. Stan, we already have a 2 tier health care system. Buffalo is only a couple hours drive. And yup, I know a few who use USA health care. Those against private health care are usually too stupid to understand that when people pay and remove themselves from the gubberment system, it improves things for those who can not afford private care. Recently I had this discussion with a lady, who is quite smart, but in discussing health care she would go into full emotional mode, and emotions shut down the logical area of the brain. Tho I do think I got through some what. It is the same with a lot of people, they are dead set against 2 tier, even after telling them that every system in other countries that are better than ours (about 30 countries) have public/private systems

        3. Steve, a neighbor of mine, about 15 years ago, had his doctor arrange the Buffalo MRI, and it took less than a week, cost about 2K, and was scheduled to treatments with the gama knife in less than 2 wks. The wait list here for MRI was 6-8 months, and he would have been dead by then. He lived for about 4 year after treatment.

    1. Neo, they will vote liberal, or NDP,or green,or even for the Sheer one, why? Because Canadians are freaking socialists. My fellow Canadians are as dumb as a bag of hammers, but, at least a hammer is useful. Now, if only we could use those hammers to beat some sense into the senseless.

  18. My Swedish Great Grandmother lived by herself, independently, and had a fall when she was 90 (in about 1968). She broke her hip. She was treated by her EXCELLENT U.S. Doctors, and Hospitals (and family) … and lived till the age of 93. Thank GOD she never lived to see Obamakkare … or ever moved to Canada.

  19. Come on folks, I have been right for decades, as in not wrong, please, will someone prove my comments about Canadians wrong, someone, somewhere ?????

  20. And he happens to be white? Who would have thought?

    “The hospital CEO met with the family last week, a few days before Wilson’s death, and apologized for what happened,”

    Can you imagine going to that meeting? Can you imagine being told by some apparatchik “Sorry we fucked up, there is not a goddamn thing you can do about it. Because we’re above the law and you’re not a part of a protected minority”

    “she commended the hospital for doing a sweep of the facility, which she says found 21 other patients with bedsores.”

    So how many of those overpaid diversity hires we refer to as nurses got fired for this?

    – Crickets chirping –

  21. Everyone has a health care story.

    2 years ago I was diagnosed with a gangrenous gall bladder. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong and sent me home after keeping me overnight in a 10 bed country hospital.

    I stayed home 2 nights and went back. They admitted me and spent another 2 days there before blood tests indicated something was really going wrong.

    I was transferred to a city hospital and the surgeon told me if they can’t get this under control I might have trapped my last season. He said it’s too dangerous to operate and said he was going to hit me with 50 caliber antibiotics.

    While I was at the country hospital I got a rash on my back from laying on the rubber sheeted mattress. I was starting to rot and asked to have a shower. I was directed down a hallway to a shower. NO HOT WATER! In Canada?

    You might expect that in the 3rd world but Canada? When I raised the issue with the nurse she said that there is no hot water at that shower……

    She also recoiled at the rash on my back. Literally jumped back like I had Ebola. It was only a heat rash caused by the bedding. They had me on morphine while they fooled around trying to figure out what was going on.

    1. “Everyone has a health care story.”

      Absolutely. And more and more of them are becoming horror stories.

      But like everything else in this Country, NOBODY is getting angry about it, so the politicians continue to do f-all.

        1. The Shouldice Clinic is the best thing in medicine in the country. And Layton was obviously lying back then. Hernia operations could and can be had at most hospitals but none can beat the success of Shouldice. People come from all over Canada and the US for the procedure there. Not much of a wait time either.
          This place should be used as a standard for specific-ailment treatment. I had my hernia operation performed there about ten years ago and only paid an additional out-of-pocket $100.00 for the three day stay.

    2. But the good news is that if you complain they will make soothing noises.
      Nothing useful, but they are good at making soothing noises at you while ignoring your problem.

      1. I am thanks NR.

        The antibiotics worked. I hadn’t taken antibiotics in decades which helped. I waited 3 months and they took out my GB. Day surgery. Good as new……ha

  22. This thread reminds me of a joke about the phases of life.

    A young man joins the RCAF and becomes a transport pilot.
    While living in barracks he would return from a mission and his mates would enquire ” how was your trip” to which he would answer “It was great, there were abundant women to choose from”
    As our guy aged, he would return from a mission and his wife would enquire “how was your trip” to which he would answer “It was great, the accommodation and food were outstanding”
    Our guy became a General, and was required to travel to various conferences. Upon returning home from one, his wife enquired “how was your trip” to which he answered “it was great, I had a bowel movement every day”

      1. To be sure try “Air Commodore”, but let’s not quibble, we all appreciate regular bowel movements.

  23. Oh you mean the Tommy Douglas who was a great believer and promoter of eugenics? The NDP doesn’t like to talk about that.

  24. The same thing happened to my 87 year old mother in a Calgary Hospital. I never got an apology, just one off the record in the hallway outside her room “this shouldn’t have happened” then she was rushed off to a hospice just in time to die.

  25. If Rev. Douglas had stuck to advocating the neutering and spaying of people who clearly had no business breeding, he would have been justly remembered as a great Canadian.

    As it is, there are large parts of the former Soviet Union where you can get much better health care than in Canada.

  26. My wife was diagnosed with stage 3A lung cancer (never smoked) after three years of complaint and misdiagnosis. We were told a six week wait for a PET scan or a minimum of three weeks if we could travel to Bellingham Washington, which the BC gov’t would pay for. Or we could get one in a week in Burnaby, but we’d have to pay $3,200 ourselves.

    Naturally we opted to pay the $3,200.

    So the gov’t will pay an American private clinic, but not a Canadian private clinic because the optics of a ‘two tier’ system would be bad. Once the diagnosis was confirmed, things happened quickly and the level of care was good – but if it’s not critical, life threatening care that’s required… well then you can just suffer patiently and wait your turn.

    I’ve put it to friends who support our system thusly: 10 people are waiting for a knee replacement. One of them decides to pay for their own care, leaving not only just nine people in line, but contributing to the care of those remaining. I ask them what’s wrong with shortening the lineup while leaving more money in the system for their care? Their answer is always that even if everybody suffers longer, the important thing is that they’re suffering equally.

    Sheep.

  28. Like the many posters above, I could also write many paragraphs on what I encountered during the six months of “care” my grandmother received after contracting a cold turned pneumonia at a Christmas party. It was more of a planned death strategy (at 92 your health care allotment is used up) that they could not accomplish as I, travelling a 90 min. return trip to the hospital 3-4 times a week, managed to administer some of the hands on care that was not even to be expected of health care staff anymore. Could you go six months without washing your hair? Oh, and my hospital parking-lot bill ran in the $350. range each month.

  29. “Socialised health care”, like any industry “socialised”, means, “I get paid whether I do my job correctly, or not.”

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