57 Replies to “Trudeau’s Carbon Tax: Bend Over and Take It!”

  1. How will this carbon tax produce it’s advertised result of lowering carbon emissions?
    Can anyone actually explain HOW this tax will produce it’s advertised effect in an economic real world?
    That’s a serious question.
    Am I missing something?

    For instance when this carbon tax increases the costs to the Evraz pipe mill in Regina won’t they just lose contracts to pipe mills in China where there is no carbon tax and where 70% of their electricity used to produce that steel pipe is produced by coal?
    We’ll ship our scrap steel over to China in Bunker C burning ships then produce the pipe in coal powered pipe mills in China then ship the finished pipe back to North America in ships again.
    How does that reduce overall CO2 emissions and real pollution?
    Our clean carbon taxed pipe mill sits idle while the production is moved in fossil fuel burning freighters to the coal powered steel mills in China.

    Liberals like to urge everyone to buy their food locally to save the planet from unnecessary fossil fuel use in shipping food in from far away.
    ‘Locovores’ is what they call it. So they must understand the concept that shipping uses fuel.
    We’re supposed to buy our tomatoes from the guy on the corner, but we’ll save the planet by importing our steel from China.

    1. Stan: Trudeau doesn’t understand how CLIMATE WORKS or where you get your food or how ships, cars, buses or any vehicle runs. He likes to fly how stupid is this LIE-BRAL gov’t very stupid as they all like to fly!!! We are SERF’s for the GOVERNMENT! VOTE OUT THE LIE-BRAL GOV’T IN 2019!! VOTE OUT TRUDEAU IN 2019!!

      1. “Trudeau doesn’t understand how CLIMATE WORKS or ……”

        I’m beginning to think Maggie was the smart one in the family. Bat crap crazy but smarter than the Groper and I’m thinking smarter than the old man.

          1. Turdhole is the son of a dictatorial madman and a schizophrenic Mother… Peeair had most Canadians fooled into believing that he was exactly the saviour “mystique” that the country needed to, you know, save the country from french language supremacists… the fact that Peeair was the biggest french language supremacist of them all didn’t seem to dawn on Canadians of the day or to this day…. “ah, the cat is among the pigeons”… Peepee’s son is just as loony, malice driven and detached from reality as Peeair was yet somehow Justine is able to carry on with the same mendacious nature and destructive tendencies of his crazy commie Father that still fools people today, a couple of mentally deranged actors performing for an unsophisticated, naive, insecure and institutionally divided public. Its never a good idea to let crazy people determine your country’s identity and future, but nonetheless here we are.

        2. “Trudeau doesn’t understand how CLIMATE WORKS or ……”

          – Maybe not, but he PERFECTLY understands how a tax-grab works!

          I read that one of the things that ushered Red Rachel into opposition, was when she announced ‘from now on, increases in the Carbon Tax will just go into general revenue.’ Shiny Potato never intended anything different for the federal one – it’s so much easier to give-out large dollops of it to your friends that way…

    2. Taxes have a special magic. They can sequester carbon dioxide, that has just been released, back into the ground. Just like carbon offsets they make it okay to continue to release “deadly” carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Don’t forget, we’re dealing with liberals here. Only intentions matters. They cannot be held responsible for the consequences of their actions.

      Also, Canada has special, morality-driven carbon emissions. Our 1.7% of world CO2 emissions, when properly taxed, can effectively negate the 43% of world CO2 emissions from China and the United States.

      Just shut up. Stop asking questions. And pay your carbon taxes.

    3. Like the carbon itself that does not have to be produced, refined, stored or even counted correctly, emissions drop magically.
      Of course in both cases, government gets bigger and the political class more powerful, but that’s just a coincidence.
      Because people stop driving their cars, so emissions drop? Except they don’t, they just pay and the economy elsewhere suffers.
      That’s how emissions “fall.” When a tax increases the price of something, there is reduced economic activity resulting.
      Let’s induce the next great recession or depression to “lower emissions,” or “fight climate change” to “improve the economy?”
      Actually, lowering economic activity, fighting the poor having any chance at a better life. But the phony baloney jobs remain.

    4. Stan,

      Your comments make total sense. Unfortunately Turdeau practices snowboard economics.

      Turdeau needs money. So Team Turdeau implements a carbon tax. To make it go they say, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, that 90% of Canadians will get more money back than they pay. If that doesn’t make sense regarding reducing emissions – you are correct.

      However, what Team Turdeau doesn’t tell you:
      a) they will slowly reduce the number of people who get rebates.
      b) they will slowly cut the amount of the rebate.
      c) they will over time increase the carbon tax. Government figures say it will need to reach $300/tonne to see any significant reduction in CO2.

      Of course once our CO2 goes down, by shifting all manufacturing out of the country, global CO2 emissions will actually increase! As you pointed out.

      Now the fastest, easiest way to reduce Canada’s CO2 emissions is for Alberta to leave Canada. 270 Mtonnes goes with Alberta, and Justin can look virtuous. Of course BC and Ontario tax payers will then have to make up the equalization money to Quebec. 🙂

    5. Stan, losing the steel contracts to China and India and eventually closing down was the the long range plan of Maurice Strong to de-industrialize the west. This plan is for all production including energy resource industry.

    6. // How will this carbon tax produce it’s advertised result of lowering carbon emissions?
      Can anyone actually explain HOW this tax will produce it’s advertised effect in an economic real world?
      That’s a serious question. Am I missing something? //

      Trudeau’s tax resembles that recommended by James hansen;
      // A Carbon tax with100 percent dividend is needed to wean us off fossil fuel addiction. Tax and dividend allows the marketplace, not politicians, to make investment decisions.

      Carbon tax on coal, oil and gas is simple, applied at the first point of sale or port of entry.
      The entire tax must be returned to the public, an equal amount to each adult, a half-share for
      children. This dividend can be deposited monthly in an individual’s bank account.
      Carbon tax with 100 percent dividend is non-regressive. On the contrary, you can bet
      that low and middle income people will find ways to limit their carbon tax and come out ahead.
      Profligate energy users will have to pay for their excesses.
      Demand for low-carbon high-efficiency products will spur innovation, making our
      products more competitive on international markets //

      To your objection that [say] Chinese pipe will have an advantage when the extra expense of the carbon tax, Hansen notes that world trade rules allow tariffs to be applied to offset any such advantage. And China has a cap-and-trade system ;
      https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/6/15/15796202/map-carbon-pricing-across-the-globe

      1. dizzbag, so I see you don’t understand economics, human behavior, and industry in general

        A few years ago libtards had this scheme to increase tax revenues in NJ. The haul was to be about 250M$$$, the result was a 275M$$$ decrease. When you don’t know WTF you are talking about, silence usually makes you look smart

      2. “Hansen notes that world trade rules allow tariffs to be applied to offset any such advantage.”
        —-

        Odd then that wondrous climate deals like Copenhagen had specific language that prevented offsetting tariffs from being applied.

        Step One: Read the climate treaties/accords….

        1. The concern with offsetting tariffs was mainly the complexity of cap-and-trade swaps making it impossible to clearly determine valid offsets, and opening the possibility of protectionist initiatives under the guise.
          In the present Trumpian context, it seems trivial.

    7. Maybe it’s just me, but I am getting the sense that the western world has had about enough corruption in their governments. The only thing that set us apart form the banana countries was integrity. Turdoo has none of that and neither do the other leaders of the white, formerly Christian world.

      We either vote them all out or there is going to be a civil war or two or three …. a free democracy cannot exist with a corrupt third world type of regime in a perpetual death struggle with it’s opposition.

      We need a big change in direction or there will be a lot of blood. I can feel it building every day …. just like that giant crescendo in “A Day In The Life” from the St. Pepper album. It ends it giant destructive piano chord. That is where we are.

      Our problem isn’t global warming, it’s global bullshit.

      1. Duke, you hit the ball out of the park with your comment. The western world is drowning in greed,
        corruption and bulllshit.

        1. ?
          take ‘western’ out of that statement and then answer this Q:
          has it been *any* different since currency, politics, etc have been invented?
          you do have the top 3 in correct order.

    8. “How will this carbon tax produce it’s advertised result of lowering carbon emissions?”

      By bringing 100s of thousands of camel jockies from backward 3rd world shit-holes to Canada, and turning them into taxi drivers. That’s how.

  2. Great Leader Groper is still in B.C. on personal time. No word on when he is burning jet fuel at taxpayer expense back to Ottawa.

  3. The CARBON TAX will not do anything for the CLIMATE, it has been changing for millions of years. The LIE-bral gov’t just want to make MONEY off of all CANADIANS to spend on other COUNTRIES and THEIR OWN NEEDS. The FEDERAL GOV”T will make BILLIONS of dollars your dollars!! Climate Change as Climate BARBIE keeps saying!!! Is “NOT HAPPENING” she and Trudeau are liars. VOTE OUT THE LIE-BRALS IN 2019!! VOTE OUT TRUDEAU IN 2019!!

    1. // The CARBON TAX will not do anything for the CLIMATE, it has been changing for millions of years. The LIE-bral gov’t just want to make MONEY off of all CANADIANS to spend on other COUNTRIES and THEIR OWN NEEDS. //

      I guess that this is why the Ontario & Alberta conservatives rattle on about the “tax grab” without getting around to mentioning the rebate system.

      1. I guess that this is why the Ontario & Alberta conservatives rattle on about the “tax grab” without getting around to mentioning the rebate system.

        1) Did you get a rebate? I didn’t.

        2) Tack-on the administrative costs of our bloated, deliberately inefficient, self-serving federal government bureaucracy that’s supposed to add-up and mail-out the cheques, and let’s see how much is left at the end of the day, to hand-out as rebates. “Oh sorry – we used it all up, in fact we’re gonna’ need a few extra million$ to cover the paperwork…”

        1. 1) Did you get a rebate? I didn’t.
          Yes, but I don’t live in one of the four provinces that refused to legislate their own system.
          And in those provinces the tax only started three weeks ago.

          2)Tack-on the administrative costs … let’s see how much is left at the end of the day, to hand-out as rebates
          // What it costs: The federal tax prices carbon at $20 a tonne, or 4.4 cents per litre of gasoline, and rise to $50 in 2020. Here’s what that means for the average family in different provinces:
          Ontario: According to the federal government, the average Ontario household will pay $244 in direct and indirect costs for carbon, but will receive $300 under the “climate-action incentive,” for a net benefit of $56.
          Saskatchewan: The average family would pay $403 in carbon-tax costs and receive $598 in rebates ($195 as a net benefit).
          Manitoba: The costs will be $232 and the rebate $336 ($104 net benefit).
          New Brunswick: The breakdown is $202 and $248 (net benefit of $46). // Globe & Mail

          The variation in rebates varies according to the carbon use of their energy sources.
          Additional: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/how-federal-carbon-tax-rebates-will-be-doled-out-1.4146471

          1. Ok so you’re capable of mindlessly regurgitating the official absurd spin? Polly wants a cracker?

          2. “According to the federal government…”

            I don’t know what’s more absurd – believing that the turdo tax will be revenue neutral, or regurgitating the blatant bullshit in the hopes that others will.

      2. It is a tax grab and we should not be reducing our energy consumption. We should be increasing it to make out lives better. The government robbing Peter to pay Paul is never revenue neutral because one has to pay for the army of robbers and the related infrastructure. Besides the rebate system is designed to stifle independence and to induce the behavior Turdo and co see as desirable (and that automatically makes it undesirable).

        So here is my question for you: what is the optimal temperature level? And where? If you cannot answer it then you have no business demanding a reduction in temperatures. Simple as that.

  4. Have you not heard the world will end in 10 years.We must destroy our economy and live in tents immediately.China and the rest of the world must be laughing all the way to the bank.

    2. The Chinese love the new green economy and its rent seeker and taxpaying suckers who pay for their wind turbines.

      1. Are you sure any of those cars will last 10 years? In any case I thought it was 12 years? Honda and Toyota maybe, Chev, Ford and Chrysler not so much. 😉

  5. Its not about the environment. Its all about taking the what little wealth Canadians might save away from them.

    1. Lorenzo: “Serf” is the word……you work bound under the feudal system to work for his Lord’s estate!! You can make a difference…VOTE OUT THE LIE-BRALS IN 2019…VOTE OUT TRUDEAU IN 2019!!

  6. The answer is that the fish are lining up to throw themselves on Liberal hooks. As long as you/we ask questions hoping for logical answers this will continue.

    Just tell them to f-off, kick them out of office, and never, ever, vote them in again.

  7. Please remember, if you oppose the wise policies of Great Leader Groper you are obviously a Nazi.

  8. Plant food aka CO2 is now called pollution. That is bad and we should starve people to reduce it or at least be penalised for it’s existence by paying a tax and starving people. Anyone that would vote for someone other than me produces double the pollution so should stay home.

  9. It is bigger than Trudeau. He is the puppet sent to implement the Globalist Agenda of Green Communism as set forth by Ghorbachev and Mo Strong in 1992. At the UN Rio Summit on sustainability.
    It is all laid out in plain sight. The Globalist elite only need so many useless eaters to work for them and provide.
    Learn about Agenda 21, Agenda 30, ICLEI, which is how this is implemented at the local level. The attack is through Ottawa and your local municipal government which everyone ignores.
    The http://www.fcm.ca is the change agent at the local level. Ottawa at the federal level and who ever your Provincial leader is, it is all there it is very coordinated and you have lost the war and everything else. So accept your role as useless eaters and row the oars on the Slave Ship Canada. And pay more tax and more tax and more tax. Even a man in a cardboard box in Canada living under a bridge pays tax in Canada. Is that not sick and cruel. Wake up. The only way out is a Provincial UDI.

  10. Watcher: Well I guess they have their dumbed down workers eating out of their hands in the so called educated snowflakes, millennials, uneducated migrants coming across the borders…unique device identifier (UDI) will not help as they don’t know any better they will not follow rules or regulations….they just don’t care!!!! They think everything grows on Trees or comes out of thin air. It’s their’s and you don’t have to work for it!!

  11. If the polls are to be believed PEI is about to elect the first ‘gang green’ government.

    A province without an economy electing a government that has zero experience.
    What could possibly go right?

    The CO2 hucksters must be thrilled.

    2. I see the ocean opening up and swallowing the petite little isle.
      green party. is that where anne of ‘green’ gables comes from?
      didnt they have a serious fire in that place a ways back?
      life imitating fart . . . .

  12. Tyrants never give up power. Look at Uncle Fidel who collected all the money while Cubans became poorer. Maduro in Venezuela hasn’t missed a meal while the country goes without food, medicine, electricity. Do you think Trudeau is different? His hair gets ruffled when his widdle feelings are hurt. We could freeze in the dark and UN troops would be called in to stifle discontent if necessary. Try telling that to the average Canadian and they would laugh in your face or back away slowly. The thing about Scheer, he is not insane or a living god who wants you to die off. Nor is he someone who rarely leaves Quebec. Max cannot win and is prone to episodes of poor decisions. He’s very likeable. Perhaps Scheer will grow in office and he is likely to surround himself with people who actually respect Canada.

  13. Trudeau is giving you all the 2 finger job. Years ago when I was young and first married. The wife and I had a rented townhouse in the city near my work.
    The wife was a small town green as the grass country girl.
    One day I came home and our new neighbor lady and her small son were there, having a coffee while the kids got acquainted.
    After the woman left I said she seems nice, but something is wrong with the picture, I knew a stripper when I saw one.
    The wife said I was a pig. So next time she came over, I was home. So I plied her with drink and she told her story. She was a stripper who also did body rubs.
    Well both the wife and I got a education. She said the Chinese are the best, because you only need two fingers. I needed more info for the wifes benefit. I poured her another. She made the motion with her 2 fingers, and said they all have small pricks so you just use 2 fingers. The wife about passed out and I fell over laughing when I saw the wifes face. Never saw that woman again. Anyway Trudeau giving you the 2 finger job.

    2. ah ferfcuksake.
      jeeeeeezuz murphy. goddamn goddamn goddamn.

      vive kaybeck.
      at least theres no shortage of cement for use by the mafiosa.

  15. Everything that happens on Earth happens in cycles. The only straight line is in man’s mind. There are no straight lines in nature. Everything is nature is formed by spinning spheres, or waves.

    Spinning spheres emit waves. We know this happens with the planets; they emit electromagnetic wave. Waves are everywhere in the Earth’s atmophere (and in outer space) and waves create cycles. Cycles affect just about every aspects of our lives on Earth.

    There are lots of different cycles of different lengths. However, the major cycles tend to be somewhat harmonic (they’re divisible by three, to find the next higher or lower cycle). Major cycles are 7, 19, 57, 172, 515, and 1030.

    Stephen Puetz wrote a book on the probabilities of cycles, tracking cycles back through the beginning of time. It’s called the Unified Cycle theory and you’ll find it in my recommended book list.

    Below is the civilization chart I created (featured in the video). The data comes from the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration—from the Greenland Ice Core Research project ending in 1992. Ice cores are an extremely accurate method of determining temperature back through the centuries.

    Civilzation-chart

    You can see the large temperature peaks every 1030 years – the red arrows. These extremely warm and wet periods supported bountiful crops and major societies grew to the height of their power.

    The correlation of warm and wet climate with the rise of major civilizations is striking. When the climate turns warm and wet for long periods, the world’s greatest empires have emerged – Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Mayans, the Vikings, and so on.

    When the climate grew colder, these great cultures fell into ruin. Bad things start to happen when climate turns cold and rainfall stops. Rome burned as it got colder. Hadrian’s Wall was built to keep out invaders at the bottom of a cold spell. Social mood always turns negative with colder climate. And that brings about riots and wars.

    Cold periods often get labeled as dark ages, because there is little advancement of living standards.

    So here we are at the top of the Modern Warm Period. Unless this time is different, the Earth is going to get a lot colder and dryer. Most likely for several hundred years. We’ll also see a major financial collapse. Yes, that’s one of the great features of the 172 year cycle. It’s happened throughout history, like clockwork.

    Let’s look at climate cycles over the past eleven thousand years … the big picture:

    Climate-Timeline-web

    In the chart above, you can see that we came out of the glacial period about ten thousand years ago.And then we had these up and down periods of warm and cold … cycles. It’s like a giant sine wave. Temperature moves up and down over time … on a fairly predictable schedule.

    Today, we’re in what’s called the Modern Warm Period. And there’s climate mania!—Even though it’s been warmer on Earth many times before and in fact the trendline shows it’s gradually getting cooler, because the Sun is cooling. Nobody disputes that—well, no astrophysicists, at any rate.

    The next cold period is signified by the dark blue blob right below Climate Mania. It’s starting now. But, how do we know all this?

    DrWheeler-and-the-Big-BookCU-web

    In the early to mid 1900s, Dr. Raymond Wheeler, with a team of 200 researchers analyzed climate back 20 centuries to 600 BC. He used tree rings and sunspot records to plot both temperature and rainfall over that entire period.

    He identified major climate cycles of 100, 170, 515, and 1030 years and predicted extreme weather at about the year 2000, followed by a turn colder and a long-term drought … and sure enough, that’s what seems to be happening. You can find his drought clock here. My video on Dr. Wheeler and his seasons is here.

    The picture above shows Dr. Wheeler with “The Big Book,” over 2000 pages of all his data on climate cycles in which he correlated major events throughout history. He’s shown how climate cycles repeat with event patterns over and over again. The Big Book exists in the archives of Baruch College, in New York City.

    big-book-today

    Above is a picture of The Big Book today. I tracked it down in New York City recently.

    In Dr. Wheeler’s own words:

    The divisions of history long ago observed by historians—ancient, Medieval, and modern—are more than divisions of history. They are long climatic cycles.
    The six century BC, the first AD, the fifth AD, and the 10th and 15th were all natural turning point in history, marked each time by the decline and fall of civilizations the world over and the birth of a new era. In each case these centuries terminated 500 year cycles in long range weather trends. Each was an exceptionally cold period in history..
    The six century BC, the fifth AD, and the 15thmarked a end of the still longer cycle, on the order of 1000 years. These centuries were characterized by exceptionally profound reorganizations and revolutions in the civilizations of the world.
    Current events show that another world convulsion is occurring second only to (1) the emergence of rational thought in the sixth century BC, (2) the fall of Rome and other ancient civilizations in the 5th-century and the beginning of the medieval world based on feudalism, and (3) the final collapse of the Middle Ages in the 15th-century. The current convulsion is comparable to the birth of Christianity in the first century and to the birth of the modern nation as a fuedal principality in the ninth and 10 centuries.
    All of these reorganizations of society were marked by spurts in the evolution of democratic institutions.
    In fact, the global temperatures have gone sideways since 1998 and the recent drop in solar activity is warning of much colder times ahead.

    The head of the International Space Station, a Russian astrophysicist, with a name I can’t pronounce, has publicly predicted a mini ice age.

    Next 25 years

    The above chart shows the projection of solar maximums over the next 50 years or so. These cycles happen every 11.2 years and fluctuate in terms of their intensity over decades. The most recent solar cycle has been far less intense that previous ones and because the sun is responsible for our warmth, less intensity results in colder temperatures on Earth, just as it has during similar periods (the Little Ice Age, for example, on the “civilizations chart” above.

    The Sun and the Planets are the main drivers of climate change on our tiny, little planet—we know that. And we can’t change Mother Nature.

    Science tells us it’s going to get colder. If history is are guide, the colder climate will last for hundreds of years.

    You see, history repeats … over and over again. So if you want to know the future, you look at the past.

    https://worldcyclesinstitute.com/global-cooling/

  16. so Climate changes is causing more wild fires and extreme weather events… specifically BC wild fires according to our Climate Minister Catherine.

    So if Canada would reduce our carbon foot print to zero would the wildfires, tornadoes, flood stop or even be reduced???

    Of course not. There would not be one thinking person who would correlate the carbon tax and possible minor reduction of our tiny carbon foot print with reduced extreme weather events… BUT somehow the Suzuki/Greenpeace/Trudeauites are wanting to win an election on this totally unfounded “science”.

  17. Again. It’s not about science. It’s about capitalism, free markets and consumerism as practised by the non-elites.
    But as long as they have you watching the bouncing ball…

  18. I have yet to hear a single scientist tell me what the “perfect” CO2 concentration is for earth OR the mathematical relationship between CO2 and temp that actually comes close to describing actual measurements.

    That is to say…they (believers) are all full of crap.

  19. The idea that 90% of Canadians will get back more that they paid in is a scam worthy of Bernie Madoff, it s like those who go to the casino thinking they are going to come out with with big winnings. Both these situations are for people who can t do math.

  20. Ok, if you have something to day please, for the love of god! write it out and print it. If you’re Sargon of Akkad you can do a video, but if you’re a bald, old, white guy who can’t be bothered to buy a decent microphone you’ll get about two seconds before I leave.

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