We live in strange times. There are a lot of crazy people out there, no doubt about that. Yet it remains demonstrably true that some of the craziest people are the leaders of our countries, the elites that are directing the herds lock-step towards unimaginable disasters that we can see are inevitable if we go much further (not that you or I are willingly going along, but you know what I mean).
Somehow, we have to call a halt to this. It’s tricky. How do you end the institutional madness of the high functioning and the random madness of the marginalized (which may be equal and opposite reactions to some middle ground reality) without becoming the new elitist totalitarians? Or are we forced to confront a stark choice, them or us?
I have stared it down and I know, there has been no chance for reconciliation for a long time now. This is a whole generation or two perhaps into this cult of madness, and it does not surprise me that while the elites spiral helplessly out of control with their insane policies, individuals do the same thing at random in a variety of unpredictable ways. The orthodox view is that Breivik and the Quebec mosque shooter are the anomalies, madmen who are at odds with the values of the society. My view is that while our society went nuts at the top levels, these bottom feeders said to themselves, “hey, going nuts is the new normal, why don’t I go nuts too?”
So we end up chasing our tails because every attempted political response to restore order to the asylum inevitably attracts its share of nutbars from the fringes, and also requires that the general public would trust the unknown outsiders (people like you and me) with any sort of position of authority to replace the known if obviously demented authority figures we now face as our so-called superiors.
What is truth in this complicated situation? It’s like those Russian dolls, you open them up and find you have to do it again, and again. And then, what’s at the end of that? The question that is never asked contains the answer. For example, with the Trump – Russian collusion question, the question that is never asked is this: “Would it perhaps be a good thing for Trump to collude with Putin?” The assumption is made by both sides that it would be a bad thing, so the debate is about whether he has done it or not, but not whether he should do it. I say this because if Putin is opposed to the globalist agenda and is in favour of aggressive national sovereignty, then why not collude? We face shared enemies. I would collude with anyone who could help us throw off the yoke of the cultural Marxists. They know they are on borrowed time, that’s why they nervously look out the window every time they hear a protest has arisen, as there is what the lawyer might call consciousness of guilt. With the random violence of the unhinged, there is just an absence of proportion and the loss of hope. They think the only way out is to rampage. At the very least, we should all rampage together with a rational objective in mind. Shakespeare had it right, “or by opposing, end them” seems like the only way out of this death spiral.
And for those challenged by metaphor, I don’t mean end their lives. I mean end their access to power.
The other thing is that precisely none of these people in the “elite” have been called on their BS by the general public, and that’s coming.
They promised us that if we just spent billions on the homeless, then the problem of homelessness would go away. Instead, it’s worse than ever. They promised us that if we spent more money on education, then the kids would be better schooled. What do we have to show for all that? A generation of illiterate and innumerate indoctrinated youth, who cannot hold productive jobs.
Everywhere you look across Western society, you see failure. And, that failure started with the “elite” who promised they’d manage everything with technocratic grace. The idiots can’t even build a high-speed rail line, and make it come in even vaguely close to on-time and near the budget–And, then they have the temerity to demand more money from the taxpayers.
The elites are mostly arrogant incompetents who’ve charmed and schmoozed their way into power. Once the general populace starts to wake up, and recognize that none of these jackasses promises have worked out, there’s going to be hell to pay.
I think you’d find that the majority would happily hand off tons of money and control over their lives–So long as the people they were handing it over to were competent, and managed to attain even a percentage of the promised “improvements”. Thing is, none of that crap has come to pass, the boobwoisie in charge is incompetent past even the most lurid imaginings, and when all that becomes brutally apparent…? Yeah; I’m not holding out a lot of hope for the aftermath. I will say, however, that rope futures might be a good bet.
“I’m not holding out a lot of hope for the aftermath.” I have said that a number of times here.
I repeat that at our dinner table and my wife’s eyes project a combination of concern for my well being and for what our children and grandchildren might have to endure. I recall often that my grandfather, one of eight children, escaped the utopian experiment of the Soviet Union to Canada in 1926. His two brothers and four of his five brothers-in-law died in the re-education labour camps in the Perm and other Siberian regions. The surviving brother-in-law was a broken man.
My wife’s extended family had similar experiences.
Of course, it was all for the good of the ‘people’. Pol Pot’s victims were told the same, this is for the good of the people.
“Somehow, we have to call a halt to this. It’s tricky. How do you end the institutional madness ….”
It starts by standing up and speaking up. It starts by getting up out of the long grass. It starts by realizing that typing away furiously and anonymously on blogs and forums is not a substitute for meaningful action. It starts by encouraging like-minded people to do the same. It starts by thinking about children and grand-children and whether you want them to inherit a shithole. It starts by saying, if I have to, I’ll go to jail.
It starts by getting REALLY angry and saying, “Eff this, I’ve had enough.”
And I’ll add one more:
It starts with your realization that the handiest tool that your oppressors have is their certainty that you will do nothing of value to counter the deterioration.
I remember many years ago reading the novels Brave New World, 1984 and State of Fear. I remember being both scared to death that aspects of these books might ever become reality and even more horrified to think that some elements were already here. WE ARE THERE ALREADY and I’m not sure we have any hope of going back without a bloody revolution and who could we trust, certainly not the leaders of today.
I found it very interesting to hear the recent comment by the new darling of the Democrat Left………”for now I am the boss and we’re in charge” I bet you similar comments have been made many times in the Kremlin and in every dictatorship that has existed in the last hundred years. At least she’s open about wanting to be the destroyer of western civilization so we know what we’re in for, as opposed to the two faced tactics of so many other so called leaders.
Indeed, some ‘elements’ are already here. Twelve to sixteen year olds and a bug eyed mentally deficient person haranguing leaders and society at large. Mao’s modern Red Guard.
Did you notice those kids in Feinstein’s office, were trying to impress their teacher and chaperones?
Yes, and I have seen that clip too many times. Some of them were the same age as Pol Pot’s executioners.
I recently re-read Orwell’s 1984. Very chilling. I think it should be retitled 2024.
This would line up with Ocasio’s run for President. Mexico will shortly thereafter build a wall to keep out Americans fleeing big sister. Turdeau will still be PM, but when Turdeau praises big sister, he will be shocked when Ocasio challenges his white privilege.
Sarcasm or the future?
I think you’re right, PMGroper and kids might not have the elitist lifestyle they’re used to or dreamed of, if an AOC type wins in the USA or Canada. Many in Gropers crowd will be the targets as they are the ones with the money. Unless he and his kids can hide out at the Aga’s island.
Ah!, but WHY is Putin HATED by our cultural and political elites? Is it his Nationalist rhetoric? His egotistical shirtless horse rides? Nope.
Our cultural and political elites HATE Putin … viscerally … because Putin won’t tolerate GAYS! That’s it. That’s the ENTIRE reason that the cultural and political elites (American leftists) suddenly stopped worshiping Russia and the Soviet Union (much of which has returned under Putin’s State control). The … madmen who are at odds with the values of the society. ARE NOT TOLERATED by Putin. Those fringe, minority, nutbars that our cultural and political elites WORSHIP … are put into their proper place by Putin. He doesn’t sugar coat it. If you are a deviant, your deviancy will NOT be tolerated. Go be deviant in the privacy of your own hovel … but if you try to “sell” it in the marketplace as a “new cultural standard” … Putin will crush it.
That’s it. That’s how and why our cultural Marxist elites are smearing Trump with Putin. They see Trump (and his followers) as throwbacks who desire a culture run by the MAJORITY of normal, decent, people who don’t want to cede our culture to the bizarre fringe. Tolerance does not mean SURRENDER. We have SURRENDERED our culture to the fringe.
“We have SURRENDERED our culture to the fringe.”
That is exactly what has happened and the insanity is escalating toward a total collapse of our society.
I agree, our society and economy are both is a death spiral that most people are too stupid or lazy to see.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081
Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality
U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, the highest-profile openly gay person in the Trump administration, is leading the effort, which kicks off Tuesday evening in Berlin. The U.S. embassy is flying in LGBT activists from across Europe for a strategy dinner to plan to push for decriminalization in places that still outlaw homosexuality — mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean.
Could it be LGB without the T ?
Criminalization of Homosexuality is like criminalizing mental illness. That’s just cruel and unnecessary. MY President is doing the right thing. However! I don’t appreciate homosexuals thrusting their lifestyle into the public square. And then securing special government treatment for their aberrant behaviour. Be gay, I don’t care … because I don’t care about people’s heteroSEXuality either. Just shut the fkcu-up about about your sex life … cause that’s all it is. Sex. Gay sex. Which grosses the hell out of me … what? about as much as sex with a woman would gross out the crowd down at the bath house. So keep it in the bath house boyz. Keep it out of my face and my government.
I didn’t care about Bill Clinton’s sex life either … until … he committed multiple crimes with his schlong … and soiled the people’s House. I don’t care … and didn’t even know that Jizzie Smallset was gay … until he committed a crime.
I was just differentiating between homosexuality and trans.
Matthew 18:7-9
(7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
(8) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
(9) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Surely Richard Grenell should be working with the UN to achieve his end.
Establish an Intergovernmental Panel on Gender Neutral Copulation.
Far cheaper than jetting to Prenzlauer Berg.
Why, after all these years and with different styles of government, do our leaders all still act like inbred royals?????
It wasn’t the inbreeding. It was the “royalty” part.
Davis at 5:48
Because they are inbred royals.
See also William Shakespeare:
Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”.
Kent in King Lear (1.1.164-167)
“Think’st thou that duty shall have dread to speak when power to flattery bows? To plainness honor’s bound when majesty falls to folly.”
The King in Henry IV, Part 2 (3.1.31)
“Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.”
Not sure about that last one; some of those “crown-wearing” heads seem to display extreme proficiency with being “economical with the truth”.
“Not sure about that last one”
And rightly so, given its context.
“And for those challenged by metaphor, I don’t mean end their lives. I mean end their access to power.”
It’s half measures and compromise that brought us to this point. Letting your enemy live to fight another day has always been a terrible mistake.
You mean like the Plains of Abe?
Fight the left’s Chinese Wall around the internet, and BBC propaganda, by watching Tommy Robinson’s movie that was banned from the internet.
https://youtu.be/wNd2bvLvyk4
I have no doubt, we are at the “them or us” stage.
I say again, Peter, you said it well in your synopsis of our time.
Where is this going? Kurt Schlichter writes in his novel, “People’s Republic” that the USA will solve the problem by splitting into red and blue countries. Blue on the east and west coasts, and a large red country in the center. By 2034 the blue People’s Republic resembles the Venezuela of today.
Who even entertained thoughts like this fifteen years ago and now it is staring us in the face.
Attempted coup in the most successful democracy in human history. Mind boggling to say the least.
For a year or so, I was involved with the establishment in Edmonton of the (long ago defunct) first Libertarian Party in Canada, the Libertarian Alternative, an Alberta registered provincial Party (1973,74). It was comprised of mostly younger people who had been exposed to the works of Ayn Rand. The Party, despite having rigorous membership standards of philosophical purity, was unsuccessful at furthering the cause and picking up support above the level of the Marxist Leninist Communists.
About the same time, there was another now defunct organization, also comprised of mostly people who had been influenced by the works of Rand. It was in Calgary and called the Association to Defend Property Rights. One of their objectives was to attempt to get a copy of Atlas Shrugged into the hands of every grade twelve student in the city. I don’t remember if they accomplished 100% of that goal but in hindsight, of the two activities, the former accomplished almost nothing in furthering the agenda of liberty and reason while the later had to have had some success.
My point is that politics is downstream of culture and not vise versa. Politicians generally scramble to get in front of the mob rather than actually lead it. You want to change society, you have to build your mob.
“Would it perhaps be a good thing for Trump to collude with Putin?”
No, because Putin is an enemy of Western civilization. Next question.
Who is more the enemy of western civilization Putin or 80% of the politicians who govern us now. Give your head a shake.
“enemy of western civilization Putin or 80% of the politicians”
False dichotomy. Answer is both are.
Putin got into power by appointment, then bombed his own citizens in their apartments so that they would vote for him to save them from the Chechens. Then he invaded 2 separate sovereign nations in the last decade, Georgia and Ukraine, annexing half of those countries.
Western politicians are enacting programs to destroy our national cultures, flooding our cities with foreigners, taxing us into penury to provide necessities for the foreigners, and telling the foreigners they have to respect our culture in no way at all.
Both are enemies of western civilization. One is an outside enemy, the other is the enemy from within.
See Oz’s reply above. ^
Good comment, Peter. Very well said.
For example, with the Trump – Russian collusion question, the question that is never asked is this: “Would it perhaps be a good thing for Trump to collude with Putin?” The assumption is made by both sides that it would be a bad thing, so the debate is about whether he has done it or not, but not whether he should do it.
Two of the 4 beasts in Daniel 7…the Lion and the Bear. It will happen…won’t turn out well, but it will happen.
Isa 3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
babes = H8586
תַּעֲלוּל
ta‛ălûl
tah-al-ool’
From H5953; caprice (as a fit coming on), that is, vexation; concretely a tyrant: – babe, delusion.
We live in a world that’s full of BS. No equality, and no one wants equality. Both the elites and the masses all believe they are ‘special’. It’s all BS. No one wants out. Everybody wants something because they’re ‘SPECIAL’.
“And for those challenged by metaphor, I don’t mean end their lives. I mean end their access to power”
And that is why you will fail. Unless you are prepared to inflict grievous hurt upon your adversary, and that would include total annihilation of your enemy, his lackeys, including wives, parents, children, brothers and sisters, if you are not prepared to do this, you will lose.
Your enemy is prepared to outlast you and will do whatever it takes to defeat you, and without a doubt your children and grandchildren will be taught to hate you, at the same time as they are being taught the joys of anal sex, in their preteen heath and sexuality classes.
THIS.
I don’t know if we can avoid the violent confrontations that many see as inevitable. I am not hungering for it myself, in part because I think there is still time for better leadership to emerge and return the balance to the political right in the way that we can faintly recall was true of the 1980s. Trump has some limitations although I admire his resolve to fight. Bernier is hardly off the ground and will be taking flak from all sides if he does break through a barrier of about 10% — until then, he might be tolerated by the left as a way to keep Scheer from winning. And if Scheer did win, I can’t see that principled conservatism would follow, but just a slightly less ridiculous form of Laurentian-Salish elitism with lower taxes.
My little rant that turned into a thread starter was just typical facepalming at the end of yet another day when the madness creeps that much further out of the shadows and into the light of day. I don’t know if the best response is anger, activism, humour, detachment — you can have a very interesting life without even getting into any of this lunacy at all. But then you watch the news and realize that the inmates really are running the asylum. Who is there to lock them away where they cannot harm us or themselves?
Maybe the answer comes from outside the box entirely. We were promised this would not go on forever and ever. But it seems like it some days.
Gosh, maybe putting a mentally ill fascist in the White House and building a cult around him was a bad idea with bad consequences.
“Orange man bad’
Ok, thanks for your original input.
Oh look the a$$ sucking twerp is back. I missed your comments on the SNC Lavelin threads. Where did you go? Mommy cut off your internet?
Good of you to recognize the reality of the Obamination.
Gerald you are back!
Even some who dislike Trump are bound to see that he’s not either mentally ill or fascist.
He is like most successful men self-driven and quirky. He would probably rub a lot of people the wrong way, in personal encounters, because he reasons (and who can blame him) “I am the one in this interaction who built things and succeeded at large projects and you are not, therefore you should follow my instructions.” Also he is commander-in-chief. So unlike any other American, he is entitled to give instructions to lots of people.
Now as to fascist, this is partly just the continuation of the tiresome _____ is a fascist knee-jerk reaction of the left to any successful politician of the right. We all remember those other fascists, Nixon (who was successful until forced to resign), Reagan, Thatcher, Mulroney, Harper, even affable centrist George W. Bush (the amnesty guy). But that doesn’t prove Trump is not a fascist, so let’s look more carefully.
1. A fascist can be identified by perhaps four characteristics. He wishes to rule without guidance from the people. This misses Trump by a mile. Trump would love to have a sympathetic partner in the Congress and he has listened carefully to his base of sixty million people, which existed before he even declared his interest. A decade ago, Trump had a minor political reputation as a crony of the Clintons and a New York City social liberal (the guy runs casinos and beauty pageants).
2. A fascist seeks to expand territorial base, colonize available land, and evict the rightful residents. The brain dead left see the moves against the caravans as an example of this, but it’s not, as those people are trying to invade American space illegally. Otherwise, there is nothing in Trump’s rhetoric or actions that remotely resembles the lebensraum philosophy. Isolationist protectionism? Sure, but that’s not fascism.
3. A fascist wants to build a large military with a vast conglomeration of industry fully employed. Conservative politicians normally call for smaller measures along those lines. Trump is nowhere out of line with any of the other mainstream conservatives over the last many years, and is in fact notably anti-militarist in his approach to foreign policy. He is actually more in tune with the political left than most of the political right on that issue, or, you could say, he’s seen through the neo-con globalist war chants and knows that we are just wasting our time and treasure. Can you picture Hitler or Mussolini calling back their armies because it’s all a waste of time?
4. Final point, a fascist is often not just a nationalist but an aggressive champion of everything connected to the culture and history of his people, as he sees those things. Here Trump may be found more eligible, but once again, I don’t see how his approach is really any different from our own left-liberal prime minister who champions Canadian culture and history as he sees them. It all depends on what selective content the politician chooses to emphasize.
I could add anti-semitism to this list but Mussolini, Franco or perhaps Pinochet did not resort to it on a large scale. And if I did add that, then obviously pro-Israel, Jewish-family-and-friends Donald Trump is a very weak candidate for the Hitler comparison. The left like to substitute Muslims for Jews and accuse people of fascism because they treat Muslims the way Hitler treated the Jews. I don’t recall Jews hijacking planes and blowing up trains in the 1930s, or attacking the state of Israel. So maybe that analogy is about as worthwhile as most leftist analogies, i.e., worthless.
Kirk, “They promised us that if we just spent billions on the homeless, then the problem of homelessness would go away. Instead, it’s worse than ever. They promised us that if we spent more money on education, then the kids would be better schooled. What do we have to show for all that? A generation of illiterate and innumerate indoctrinated youth, who cannot hold productive jobs.
Everywhere you look across Western society, you see failure. And, that failure started with the “elite” who promised they’d manage everything with technocratic grace. The idiots can’t even build a high-speed rail line, and make it come in even vaguely close to on-time and near the budget–And, then they have the temerity to demand more money from the taxpayers.
Kirk, you see failure, but if you were one of the elites and discussing the same matters between yourselves,,,you’d be talking about how brilliant “the plan” was, and how wonderfully it’s working. Do you really think they care about the money(budget)??? Do you really think they care about the jobs??? What country would shut down their own natural resource industries??? What country wouldn’t want to control it’s own borders, decide who enters rather than the other way around? What country would want foreign migrants to take jobs and lower the income for it’s own citizens?
They want the children stupid, distracted with their toys, they want them to love government and support it, they want the sexual derangement, they want all the distractions, confusion, mistrust for anything but government(is social media government yet?), more than anything, they want the inter family conflict, they are evil. At any point in your earlier life, did you ever think you’d be talking about truly evil people in power in Canada or the USA(I suppose with the exception of LBJ)
Taxing you,,, is how they prevent you from spending your money, on what you want. Taxing you prevents you from fighting back against them, it reduces your wealth, it reduces your disposable income. Carbon tax, which will be a hidden tax is simply the latest attack on you and your family.
re high speed rail; they don’t want you to travel, they don’t want you mobile, wait till they tax air travel out of the budget for the avg person. They’ll be happy to allow you to communicate through texting, messaging and email, as they’re surveilling you, and it’ll be easier to watch out for plots against them.
Just to repeat,,, Carbon Tax = Hidden Tax
Your last paragraph; Taxing you ,,,
… is beyond salient! It is WHAT Marxist/Socialist/Communist regimes use to control the masses. Raise my healthcare costs, raise my energy costs, raise fees across all government programs … and the coup de gras… raise TAXES. Oh … and food costs will necessarily RISE sharply as a result of all the other rising costs.
The question of colluding with Putin being possibly a good thing was undermined from the very beginning by Senator McCain. His supposed position of “moral” authority within the Republicans set a barrier against any debate of that very thing. McCain was in on the fake dossier FBI collusion and his shrieking voice of alarm on all thing Trump constantly garnered overflowing positive media attention rewarding the failed Presidential Candidate’s many torpedo’s against his much more successful ideologically more conservative bitter rival. McCain’s near-mid term death might have left the most significant hole in the army of certifiable crazies that were lined up against the Prez like a zombie army. I don’t think Nancy or Chuck have McCain’s psychotic hate spewing sting.
I seem to be more frequently reminded of the following quote from the last page of Curtis R. McManus’ book, “Clio’s Bastards”.
“We come to our world expecting to see light and so we see light. But it is not light at all. It is, rather, twilight. If we look closer, we see that the shadows have already begun growing longer.
And there, off in the distance, we dimly apprehend a darkness, gathering, and it is coming our way.”
As well as the soothing words of Vera Lynn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk
How have come to this?
“Down With Anti-Human Sociology!”
“Up With Bourgeois Middle Class Values!”
p. s. Curtis R. McManus
The “elites”, the “globalists”, the “cultural Marxists”, the “shared enemies”. Sadly, Peter is wasting his time. You can lead a Boomer to water but you can’t make him drink. They will wring their hands worrying about being totalitarian as their grandchildren’s future is strangled to death by Neo-Bolsheviks. All because they were afraid to rock their retirement boat.
If they could only wake up in time, it could tip the scales in our favor. Not holding my breath.
Yes, yes. The familiar refrain.
If only “they” would do something for “us” while we sheep bleat pathetically on the lonely snowflake-covered fells. Woe is me.
^Dies in a care home as his third world nurses laugh. Beyond parody.
Gotta love that transition from warning about crazy people being attracted to your movement to ‘Putin’s not such a bad guy because “aggressive national sovereignty” makes the Ukrainian bodies go away’. You people are good comic fodder, but nothing else.
Speaking of crazy….
Are you out on a day pass or is it your turn to use the communal computer in the psych ward?
Ed, I was just going to point out, a great example of what is wrong with todays world, the unDorks of this world. Immature and clueless as hell. And I’m afraid that many like IT will never grow up and be useful citizens
Interesting how a week before Mueller’s report we’re suddenly now at “maybe collusion is actually a good thing and Putin is totally looking out for our best interests.”
Some people are just physically and mentally incapable of ever taking the L.