If Women Ran The World

Animal Rights Extremism 69 Comments

We’d all still live in caves and cuddle soft and playful kittens;

Statistics from graduate exit surveys show less than half of graduates will go into large animal or mixed practice. The balance will work on small animals, primarily dogs, cats and other small pets.
 
Dr. Chris Clark, associate dean at the WCVM, estimates there are now about 1,580 veterinarians in Alberta, up from an estimated 1,400 that were practicing in 2013.
 
Of those, only 73 work as food animal practitioners — mostly cattle — and 368 work in a mixed practice that might include both livestock and pets.

Oddly enough.

69 Replies to “If Women Ran The World”

  1. There are reasons for that. A young woman of my acquaintance, farm-raised and so knowledgeable about large critters from childhood, became a veterinarian but was soon in a wheelchair for months after a large steer fell upon her. That doesn’t happen with a chihuahua.

  2. Then it should be getting cheaper for dog vet service; if you get to choose between 2000 vets in your area, that means they have to drop their prices.

    1. Prices are usually set by an overseer board. Don’t charge the price, get your licence pulled. Goes for many services that are board certified, there is no competition. And you pay the board to stay certified.

    2. Kevin, I hope you are right, being a small animal vet right now and right here is better than being a dentist.People I have met at the dog park often mention their vet fees for Fifi,one guy spent $2100 on his dog who ate a tennis ball, a woman dog owner spent $13,000 on her little yarker. Whenever the subject of vet bills comes up,I hear a new tale of someone spending hundreds or thousands on dogs.
      In my youth, a sick dog got 20 cents worth of 30-30 bullet. I guess people weren’t as sensitive back then.

      1. I recall when I was a kid of 5 that my dog got the bullet for being a nuisance by tearing up the gardens of the neighbours.
        We lived in a suburb. He was taken to the woods at my uncle’s farm , given a piece of meat(last supper) and just as he finished, he got the bullet. My cousin witnessed it, he told me about it in a matter of fact way and I just shrugged my shoulders. C’est la vie, I guess. He wasn’t sick, just a nuisance. Still warranted a bullet I guess. Well he wasn’t tied up, allowed to run free like most of the dogs then.

  3. Conversely, large animal vets can raise their prices, since there are less than 100 province wide… Like programmers who know ada or haskell.

    1. “large animal vets can raise their prices”

      No they can’t. We used to treat small animals with a .22 long rifle and large animals with a .303 when the vet bill would have been more than the animal was worth.

      1. Our society has turned upside down. The family pet is a great example, and scar nails it.

        Today, the pet IS a human child. ANY procedure must be done, at any cost. People are blinded and fool themselves when it comes to FIDO and Mittens. I’ve heard too many stories of people spending thousands on surgeries , hundreds on medication and special food and annual inoculations, only to have their precious drop dead anyways.

        Our last cat passed 5 years ago. We could have taken extraordinary measures at excessive cost, to add 6 months to his life. We put him down, but we still got the look from the vet. And we’ve decided to be pet free for awhile, to free up ourselves from having to figure out how to have the pet looked after on our many weekends and vacations away. We won’t be that couple that is owned by the dog, where our time and effort is to work around the need to take FIDO everywhere, to the store, on vacation, etc, etc.

        Our society is so sick. I haven’t even mentioned the Emotional support animals…..

        But I digress. No wonder there are so many vets, our society has been totally feminized, tough decisions are mean and cruel, enter the women to “make better decisions”

        1. Do stop blaming women, this is not your first time Dan. Sometime you are right on and other times you are off the wall. I had borne it with a patient shrug, until now. You need telling, here goes:

          Did it ever dawn on you that women need professions because to remain under the thumb of one spouse that bullies is not advisable when there is a choice. Did it ever enter your mind that it is the women’s own Dads that gave them this advice? Get a profession, in case the azzhole goes for something younger with big T & A than you) Besides, once the money comes rolling in, all you misogynistic males love the wife’s money and what comes with it. Give me a break.

          1. just sayin, when you grow up you may git to understand you don’t understand wimins. At 70 I know I don’t understand them, and at yer age, what ever it is, you sure as hell don’t understand them, and you are in fog as to your short fall of knowledge of wimins!!! Just sayin!!!

          2. Where’s the blame on women? Take a pill and chill. In case you hadn’t noticed, our society has become very feminized. Clearly you haven’t noticed all the Soy boys out there.
            Take a pill,
            I don’t care what you think!

          3. I think we have a new troll handle. “Just Sayin'”, on the list of comments that can be safely skipped.

          5. Reply To : Canuckguy NB from 4:58 P.M:

            All those accusers saying,” first- I should grow up, 2- I, don’t know women 3- I don’t understand women, then 4- I’m short on knowledge, then 5- I’m in a fog, then 6- I have a shortfall of knowledge of women, then 7- fibs about BLAMING WOMEN, then 8- I should take a pill and chill, then 9- that “I” am not observant and haven’t noticed things about how our society has become VERY feminized, then 10- I haven’t noticed Soy Boys, then 11- I’m told to take more PILLS, then 12- then one of these persons says, wait for it, wait for it, he,
            “DOESN’T CARE WHAT “I” THINK!”

            You can just imagine what I care about their comments. I don’t even have to go there as you have done it for me by saying I have a valid point as to comments about essentially misogynistic men and essentially jilted women. You said,”Hey Just Sayin’ has a valid point.”
            I do, don’t I?

            Furthermore, I thank you, Sir, for you are a Gentleman and Scholar. I rest my case.

          7. I agree with you. My Dad told me to never get married, my Mom always worked (since the age of 14-LARGE family).

  4. Dr. Cody Creelman vlogs, and his vlog is excellent. Google it and set what it is like to be a large animal vet.

  5. But … doesn’t a woman’s arm fit easier into a bovine/equestrian birth canal? Shouldn’t there be a great demand for women Vets working with livestock?

    1. The point is there is a great demand for vets of either sex, (or even of all the made-up “genders”) to work on livestock, but most would rather live in the city, keep strict office hours, and work on small animals whose silly owners so will pay any price for any treatment the vet recommends because they “love” their pets.

  6. I know a Vet who had chronic problems getting assistants. He had two sons that grew up working with him and with animals. Both were whip smart but apparently not smart enough for Canadian Vet schools. They both went to Grenada where tuition costs are much closer to the real cost of producing a Vet. They financed their schooling with loans from M&D and now are Vets in Canada. They interned in the States and could have stayed there but they chose Canada.

  7. Just an observation that when we needed vet services to tend to one of the girls in our registered herd the vet showed up with a new grad from U Guelph. The young lady was dimunitive but the cow didn’t mind as due to the grads small diameter arm, the examination of the backside was less of an ordeal.
    My two cents.

    1. See … this city slicker spent enough time on the ranch (in rural Oregon) to understand the advantages of girls and birth canals! Now, in reference to the cows …

  8. In my lifetime I have spent a lot of money on private health care (aka veterinary medicine). The vets have changed over the decades. I had one old crusty vet who wouldn’t look at a dog and if you mentioned the ‘C” word (cat) he’s tell you to FO.

    The super caring women vet started showing up in the 70’s but more so in the 80’s. The clinics (rural) began to change as the cat ladies showed up and the soft fluffy pics wen’t up on the wall. The ubiquitous felines became permanent fixtures in every clinic.

    I have a bitch that isn’t used to indoors and if she has to go to the vet is scared shitless on the tile floor. She thinks she can’t gain purchase and stands there actually trys to dig in stiff legged. I helped her along with the lead rope (pulled her) and got shit from the vet. The damed dog knows how to walk at heel! The vet likes working on my dogs. She says they are the best behaved best shape dogs that come in – I don’t allow a dog to get fat. The point is I wasn’t hurting the dog and the dog took no offense. She is happy to get outa there.

    The other thing the women vets do is try and upsell you on everything. I told the vet I use now to lay off trying to sell me $100/bag dog food. I’ve fed dogs longer than she’s been on the planet. If I need something I’ll be by.

    The large animal guys are a dying breed except for around the track. There are few who want to tip a bull and deal with corns or fix a water belly. Too much heavy work/risk of getting hurt and low pay. When the cat lady brings in fluffy $$$.

    1. Re: post @ 12:06pm by NR

      ab: then you must know the answer to the first sentence? I have no pets now. Is there a GST charge?

      ( I know there us no comparison between the two professionals, but dentists don’t charge G.S.T. Just curious)

    2. It makes sense for vets to care less about large farm animals because lab-grown meat is coming and will render that whole industry obsolete.

          1. University degrees are worthless, you drug-addled Chicom lover.

            Keep up your fantasy. It will be funny watching it all collapse on you.

          2. unDork…hahahahhahahhahaha you gits phunnier by the day. I don’t have a “degree” either, and I’ll be smarter than you after I’m 6 feet under, you are that STUPID!!!

  9. When I was at Guelph 35 years ago women were just beginning to take more and more spots in the vet college. And I raised the issue then – and got criticized for it.

    Unlike any other profession large animal vet requires a level of physical strength and size to practice and practice without injury shortening one’s career. There needed to be a standard.

    Having noted the above, the next 35 years will see technology- robots/scanners remove most of the physical labour aspect.

  10. Does anyone know whether vets charge G.S.T? Just curious? The pet industry is worth billions$ annually. In blogging about the Green movement and all those terribly harmful (/sarc) gasses the other day in another thread, we wondered why household pets weren’t prohibited because they are so dangerous. Of course, they aren’t prohibited, because there’s too much money to be made. The pet industry remains dangerous though, that is, dangerous to one’s wallet.

    I know someone who has a B.Sc and is working in an Animal Hospital as an administrator in the front office. This is an example of an overqualified person for the job. Meanwhile, the many Vets in the back office are multi-millionaires because your pet needs services that costs thousands of dollars that are useless because pets have short life spans. (oh, but widdle Rover needed a twransplant so badly, so Mama gave the okay to the wovely vet)

    The days are over when the family cried their eyes out because, well, the dog died…he just, well..died. Life’s a bitch!

    1. Yes Nancy GST is charged on Vet Services, credited back of course if you can prove the animal is required on your farm.
      I’m old enough to remember a time when the farm dog didn’t have a name; it was just the dog. I remember our horrified cousins asking how we could call the dog without a name.
      “Well” I said “if we have some stale food or a bone we say ‘here pup’ and oddly enough it always comes”.

      1. Nold, thanks for the reply.
        Here’s a cute video:
        https://youtu.be/7TruhoFdFfg

        ▪When I lived in a small town there was an old beagle who took himself for a walk everyday. (v-e-r-y s-l-o-w) He’d get his fill and come home faithfully every time. It was the cutest thing. Guess he was born free!

        2. The last time my father’s dog stayed with me at the house I inherited, he left his calling card. I hollered at him and he quickly looked gave me a guilty look. I locked him in his cage to punish him. I let him out after half an hour because it’s hard to stay mad at him for very long.

          1. My Lab used to run away, if he got loose, then try to sneak back with his head down, but the tail wagging. He looked like the Lab in the above video, half serious.

          3. I’m not so sure that the dogs are stupid. We don’t always understand their logic and how they perceive the world.

            For example, when I play “go und get it” with the last dachshund in the family, the little guy has his own way of looking for the toy. If he saw where it landed, he heads straight for it. If he didn’t, then he looks for it, starting from where he last saw it, even if it had been thrown in a different direction.

            I’ve seen him go right by that toy, which could mean that he has problems with his vision. It could also mean that he’s so focused on finding it that he misses it.

          4. ▪@8:24 pm B A

            Yes, dogs are very smart. I read that they understand about 150 words, they even speak, right? I heard them say things about their feelings for their owners, of course at their owner’s instructions. The owners are narcissistic and the dogs are devoted, always, blindly devoted.

            As they say, a dog is man’s best friend.

          5. A few months after my father died, the dackel was staying with me at the house.

            One evening, I was working on something and the little guy simply laid on a living room chair and sort of dozed. He had been used to going to sleep early in the evening because that’s what my father used to do.

            Eventually, I called it quits, partly because I knew that I had promised the critter to pay “go und get it”. First, I called his name and he looked up half-asleep. Then I mentioned the magic words and his eyes opened up fully. I said those words again, and he was firing on all cylinders, ready and raring to go.

            So, late in the evening, I would throw his toy of choice throughout the house and he would joyously fetch and return it. He was pleased.

            I’m sure he understood those words and what they meant. But he also had is own way of telling me what was on his mind.

            Sometimes in the morning, I’d be in the bathroom getting ready for the day and I’d hear him come trotting up to the door. He’d stop and a split second later, I’d hear a thump. Turning around, I saw him standing there with a “Well, what are you waiting for?” look, his toy of choice lying on the floor in front of him.

            When that got to be a bit much, I would put his toy bag out of his reach. He knew where it was and he’d sit on the floor and look at it. After a few seconds, he’d look at me. Then he’d turn his head, look at the toys, and he’d repeat that process for a minute or so. He knew what he wanted and figured out a way to let me know.

            Clever dog…..

          6. Reply ▪ 12:49 am B A

            https://youtu.be/4PcL6-mjRNk

            All dogs love to play. This video displays a neat new invention. It’s for the busy guy… and looks home made – right out of the Roman era, only hundreds of times smaller!

            P.S. my dog used to scratch the door when he wanted to come inside after being out. This evening I heard that familiar sound! Of course, there was nothing out there. It must’ve been a magpie…or could have been ‘spirit’ dog? He was a charmer this monster dog. He once caught me crying and came over and plunked his big head on my lap and took a deep breath as if expressing his sympathy. Strangely, I felt better!

            Hope you like the machine in the video.

  11. “The average veterinary school graduate has $156,480 in education debt”.

    Perhaps women are just a lot more optimistic than men. Here at our local vet just outside Guelph we used to have two old male vets, both now retired. Now we have 2 young women who seem to be doing a great job, like when our 2 Great Danes cornered a porcupine and lost. The vets put the dogs asleep and pulled dozens of quills out of each dog’s mouth. They have 4 assistants – all women. A well-run show over-all.

    I’m not sure how much vets make but around here they don’t drive Mercedes or BMWs. It would take a few years to pay off $156,480 in education debt.

    1. Steve,just curious as to what that veterinary Bill was, anesthetizing and treating two big dog! I’ll estimate $1500.

      1. I’ve done porcupine quills several times in my life, up to a hundred or more at a time. Growing up on a farm, you learn to save the vet for major surgery or the drugs that actually work.

        1. Most of the quills were inside their mouths. We’ve had a few previous episodes where we handled it ourselves. Clipped the end of the quill off then pulled out with needle nose pliers. Problem is with a 190 lb dog they don’t sit still very long.

          1. Steve from Rockwood

            Check video @ 9:49 pm, photo # 67 features a poor pooch with quills all over his face too!

          1. Thanks Nancy. We took our Great Danes for a drive and the male assumed we had already opened the sun-roof (which no longer works).

  15. And on a lighter note: (Apologies if too corny)

    A lady in tears rushes her parrot into a vet clinic. She takes it into the examining room and carefully lays the comatose bird down on the table. The vet walks in and before he can even say hello, she blurts out that her parrot is very sick. The vet takes a moment to examine the bird , looks at the woman and states the obvious that her parrot has indeed expired.
    “Oh no,” the woman cries out in disbelief , “that can’t be and besides you didn’t examine him very convincingly.”
    The vet then again repeated his conclusion ,but the woman was having non of it.
    “Can you do some tests just to be sure, “she said, to which the vet reluctantly agreed.

    The vet went over to the door, opened it and let in the clinic cat. The cat wandered in, jumped up on the table and smelled the bird that was laying on its back. He sat down, turned to the vet and went “Meowww”
    The vet looked at the woman and again repeated his diagnosis. She still wasn’t having it so he opened the door, let the cat out and whistled. In strolled a big old black lab which promptly put his front paws up on the table, sniffed the bird, nudged it and then looked at the vet and let out a mournful whine.
    Well the vet got up and let out the dog, turned to the woman and said that he was very sorry, BUT the parrot was definitely dead.
    The woman was beside herself but, picked up her parrot and left the room.
    Two minutes later she tracked down the vet and angrily demanded why she was being billed two hundred dollars for her visit.
    The vet looked at her and calmly replied that it would have been cheaper if she had listened to his original diagnosis, but seeing as she insisted on extra tests to confirm this, she would have to pay for the cat scan and the lab report.

  16. I’ve know 2 large animal vets that are women. Like anything you use your head when working with cattle or horses. Things can go south in a hurry. There is no rancher who hasn’t been flattened by a cow or kicked or….pick someway and it’s happened. You can get killed even if your careful.

    The vet I mentioned above (the one that gave me shit – ha) said that they’d had a large dog in the clinic that morning that went berserker… They were afraid and had to muzzle the mutt with the assistance of the owner – who seems unconcerned. She said that owner has 2 dogs and you can’t trust either one. So there are risks.

    I have a pet rattle snake that lives out in the wood pile – cuz that’s where the mice live…I haven’t had to take him to the vet yet but he’s gittin’ some age on him and one day might git an abscessed tooth….

    Kate: dealing with your CAPTCHA has entered the theatre of the absurd. Some form of sleight of hand or chicanery is involved here. Having to determine how many buses or parts of them are need before you are ‘verified’ not to be a robot?? Whoops you missed an antenna in the last frame – keep going…
    C’mon I’m not the only one bitching here.

  17. The horrendous prices for pet food and the exorbitant fees vets charge for the smallest of services made me decide that when my 19 year old cat dies, I will not be getting another pet.

    Both of my brothers have not replaced their last pets and have no intention of doing so. Everyone I know used to have pets and now almost none of them do. Who needs it.

    We are emotionally secure people so we don’t actually need pets … we just kinda loved them, but no more.

    Taxation and lots of fees for everything … the worst and most useless being carbon taxes and the high cost of energy that the renewables and their subsidies the drive up the cost of everything are making life simply too expensive for most people. That is what the riots in France are all about … and they are spreading, but not fast enough for me.

  18. A travelling ventriloquist on the road in between jobs decided to practice his craft before his next show. He stopped at a farmhouse and approached the farmer who lived there.
    “Hello there, Mr. Farmer, I was just passing by and I was wondering if I might speak to your dog.” The farmer replied, “Well, you know, dogs don’t talk.”
    The ventriloquist said, “You’d be surprised what a dog might tell you. Can I speak with him?”
    The farmer, eyeing the ventriloquist suspiciously, called his dog. “Hi there, Mr. dog,” said the ventriloquist. “How does the farmer treat you?” To which the dog replied, “Oh, he’s great! He throws a stick for me, scratches my belly, and I just love him!!” Needless to say, the farmer was dumbfounded.
    Wanting to see if he could fool the farmer again, the ventriloquist asked if he could
    speak with the farmer’s horse. “Well, you know, horses don’t talk.” Again the ventriloquist said, “You’d be surprised what a horse might tell you.”
    So the farmer brought out his horse. “Say, Mr. Horse, how does the farmer treat you?” asked the ventriloquist.
    The horse then replied, “Oh, I think he’s great. He feeds me oats, he puts a blanket over me at night, and I just love him!” Again the farmer was amazed.
    Wanting to try his luck a third time, the ventriloquist said, “Mr. Farmer, would you like me to get the sheep to talk and hear what the sheep has to say about you?”
    “No” said the farmer, “there’s no point, that sheep is just a liar”

      1. So that’s what happened to Little Bo Peep! (“Little Bo Peep kept camouflaged sheep….”)

  19. My ex-wife insisted on my paying $500 just to have her old cat destroyed, to a lady vet who apparently did nothing else, after I had paid thousands more to buy the mean, nasty old fleabag a few more months of life.

    Had it been up to me, and had it not been considered animal cruelty, I would have been happy to throw Miss Fluffypants into the Ottawa River for free. Even my then-mother-in-law told us to drop Miss F off at the SPCA, make some excuse about how I couldn’t keep it and let them put the damn thing down. But no. Miss F was my ex’s baby. Never mind that she refused to give me any real children.

    At least for the moment, you can still have an animal put down when it’s older and sicker than it’s worth. You think vet care is expensive now, wait till you need your cat’s consent to be put down. People will soon do more time for drowning a cat than for murdering their senile parents for their money.

  21. This is easily fixed. Some states have large animal and small animal degrees.
    You allocate a certain amount of funding to each for education. That way vets that have zero interest in cats and dogs can supply the livestock industry.

  22. I have unending gratitude and respect for the veterinarians in my town.
    my boy got seriously ill with parvo because the people I took him from LIED about his vaccination status and kept lying as I naively attempted to get them to cough up the documentation.
    cost me almost 4 grand to have him treated. the bill went about 8 pages for 3 days, translation?
    ROUND THE CLOCK CARE. I was glad to see that.
    they did their job, he did his part,
    I paid the bill, and one of those rarefied times I cashed in a ‘prayer certificate’ and the Good Lord provided the miracle.
    maybe it was a test of my faith in which case it paid off.
    that was 2+ years ago.
    in that time, on 2 occasions I have had split second duration images in my mind, he’s laying in my lap, not breathing, eyes closed, lifeless. in the image I’m feeling the unimaginable grief and guilt *that I know I would have experienced* if this had been the actual outcome.
    why did I part with that money? *because he was only a year old and I REFUSED to walk away and let HIM pay the price for me trusting a couple of GODDAMN LIARS*

    now I dont trust a-n-y-o-n-e now when it comes to money, they LIED to increase the ‘odds’ of me taking in the boy if they could fool me into believing I did not have to pay a measy fcukin 30 bucks for the absent vaccination.

    since then, a new clinic opened up and those folks bend over backwards to accommodate the fact he can be ummm, ‘intimidating’.
    his last visit consisted of ‘fooling’ him (as if !!!) by administering the latest immunization needle *outside* instead of the examination room where he instantly gets hyper.
    but home, with his new girlfriend a golden retriever, he is always the gentleman.
    he pays for his keep every time I head to the ATM with 1000 bucks rental I/C in my pocket. noooo one wants to engage a bull mastiff . . .

    I like to spoil my critters. *they* never lie, steal, attack, gossip, whatever.
    humahns? pfft. my mother was a goddamn sexual abuser and my sister bullied me for 8 years inducing decades of OCD.
    my so-called ‘friends’ beat me up regularly to prove their masculinity.
    not now, I sent one of them a demand for a ‘rematch’.
    he summoned the cops, so I told them in very hostile language to check with the cowardthug if he did in fact knock me on the ground countless times when he could.
    I detest people, I truly love my doggies.
    I will put down a critter out of deep gratitude and respect when the time comes, and promptly go get another one.
    perks of retirement.

    p.s. check THIS out: ‘Peyo the therapy horse’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbu-hCxl9CQ

    yo, captcha, crikey, I didnt know there were that many fire hydrants in the world. LOL !!!

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