… for a former Liberal MPP to attend a Jamaican lobby dinner near Toronto has been withdrawn after a controversy erupted over an all inclusive trip for two to Jamaica being raffled off at the event.
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Opposition MPs criticized Curling’s choice to attend saying it was an insensitive decision as Toronto faces problems with Jamaican gangs on the streets.
Because I know you’re itching for a thread on this.
Don’t you know Kate, legal gun owners are the problem!
To paraphrase George W, Bush, Alvin Curling is a major-league asshole.
Case closed.
I especially love this comment in the mop and pail:
Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: Is it guns or gangs that are the problem? 7.1 million registered firearms in Canada 172 gun related homicides in Canada in 2004 112 committed with handguns 71 gang-related homicides in Canada in 2004 70.4 percent of gang-related homicides committed with a gun 20.7 percent of non-gang related homicides committed with a gun
When was it Taliban Jack’s itching exploded? Was it after he found out that “NRA” meant …
In another place, Der Spiegel says:
“THE WORLD FROM BERLIN
‘We Have No Grounds for Mocking the NRA’
Two days after a school rampage that left 15 dead, shocked Germans are demanding measures to prevent future “human time bombs.” Like their country’s politicians, German commentators aren’t sure what the right solution is — or if one exists. more…”
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Posted by DRH at CTV:
Here is a little Firearms History for all:
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1..5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Canadians, before it’s too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.
With Guns………..We Are “Citizens”. Without Them……..We Are “Subjects”.
During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED !
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.
People in Ont. have forgotten how to survive I think. The locals blame the prov. for not enough cops. The Feds are blamed for the existencce of guns on the planet. The constant diatribe clears the local level for any responsiblty over basketball courts. A friggin’ ban on a gangsta from owning a gun as part of a sentence for shooting someone. The sucker never would have got one legally.
I made the comment on a G&M thread. I could get a legal gun..maybe..after how many months with restrictions. I could get an illegal gun in a week with no restrictions. It’s not that it would be used for hunting and if I needed it the licence is just another charge.
I’m surprised the CSSA disinvited Gary Brietkreuz as they haven’t been that susceptible to outside interference in the past. If I lived by I’d be attending this function.
What I find surprising is that no-one is proposing to ban automobiles as it is impossible to carry out a driveby shooting without one. Driveby shootings on bicycles are feasibly in heavily urbanized areas with very slow traffic where police can’t easily give chase, but the majority of driveby shootings are carried out in places where making a fast getaway is essential. In an urban area with good public transit there is absolutely no need for an individual to own an automobile. Banning automobiles in Toronto would significantly impede criminals and who could be opposed to this aside from the automotive lobby?
The problem in Toronto that no-one wants to mention is that the vast majority of murderers are black. This is the case in the US and around the world also. Young black men tend to be particularly homicidal in comparison to other races and I suspect this is genetic. In a rational society this is the group that would have the majority of police resources allocated to. This problem shouldn’t exist according to the dogma that there are no racial differences in violence (completely unsupported by science) and thus firearms are demonized. In medicine I order tests based on the likelyhood that a disease will be present and thus don’t order routine PSA’s on women as the chance of a woman having prostate cancer is miniscule (but not zero). The chance of a woman having prostate cancer is of the same order of magnitude as a law-abiding gunowner shooting strangers with his firearms. Current firearms policies are analagous to physicians testing all men and women for prostate cancer.
Speedy Thank-you for that short, informative history lesson. May I add one tidbit – in Switzerland every male citizen is a soldier and has a gun and ammo in his residence, ready at all times should he need it to defend himself, his family or his country.
When was the last time that tiny nation was invaded?
The uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto is an example of the effect a few people with guns have on army intent on exterminating people.
Gerry Breitkreutz uncovered the scandalous Liberano Gun Registry invention to rob Canadians in the guise of ‘keeping people safe’. No government can defend private citizens from crooks – political or regular – it is an insult to adults to suggest that we, the Canadian people, are incapable of defending our country and our families!
You are correct Speedy – a man with a gun is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject…always has been true, always will be true. With citizenship and ownership of your own person goes responsibility…something many city dwelling panty waists know nothing about..they are what my Dad called ‘liabilities’ to the country. My Dad kept a loaded shotgun is our stairwell at all times. We felt reassured as a family, knowing that our Dad knew how to shoot that shotgun, therefore no ‘bad guys’ could get us!
Thank-you Gerry for sticking up for the people in this country who value our freedom, people who left nanny in their childhood and people who were outraged when the Liberanos used the Gun Registry thingie to line the pocketbooks of their families and friends and who prosecuted law abiding citizens while attending terrorist fund raising parties. The Tamil Tigers were not using money raised in Canada to buy bee bee guns!
How stupid do the Troika Party gang think the Canadian people really are…and how to they force press gang people like Jane Tabor to feed their Bolshevik lines to the public on air waves? Well…maybe I know the answer to the last question; maybe a little reallocation of those $$ greases the squeaky wheel. My disgust for this feeding frenzy is beyond the printed word.
So the tolerant left anti- gun Torontonians, who support HRC vigilante actions to eradicate all possible offense, want to chastise a FORMER MPP for attending a Jamaican event BECAUSE ITS JAMAICAN.
Hmmm. Tolerance is only skin deep?
(Or maybe they are thinking its the same as Paul Martin attending a Tamil Tigers fundraiser?)
First Goodyear and now Breitkreuz. I smell Catmeat all over this. The “brain trust” better get proactive on this rather than reactive.
The comments here have been very enlightening. Especially the one by DRH. Kate, thank you so much for this forum. I come here everyday and appreciate everything you are doing. You are a goddess.
It seems some people just live to cry,”there oughta be a law”!
Now, due to the death of actress Natasha Richardson, people in BC are calling for a law to make helmets mandatory to be worn while skiing.
Sigh.
“The “brain trust” better get proactive on this rather than reactive.”
Why? Let the libs attack everyone. It defines them.
lwestin, read the link a little more carefully.
rube covered it well. The facts are well documented, but of course facts mean nothing to the gun control zealots. While their numbers are not yet that great, we are plagued with a large number of citizens who are simply intellectually lazy and will buy the BS being promoted without doing research or checking documented facts. Worse is that this same crowd cannot grasp the meaning of freedom, be it guns, smoking, speech or private property. Not a promising state of affairs to be sure.
Liberal MP Navdeep Bains said: “Frankly, I’m astonished at anything and everything the Big Boss tells me to be. I get my marching orders from McGuinty’s office and say what they tell me to say.” he told CTV.ca.
Some day, Conservative Party guys like Garry Breitkreuz are going to learn to ignore the hell out of drooling imbeciles like Mr. Bains here. Somebody needs to give this donkey the Glasgow Kiss every frickin’ time he opens his gob and says “I’m astonished!” or “insensitive”.
How the hell do these retards say this stuff with a straight face?
Btw, there’s a simple reason Toronto has trouble with Jamaican gangs. They catch them, and then the let then go. Catching them is good. Letting them go again? Not so good.
The Phantom – “Btw, there’s a simple reason Toronto has trouble with Jamaican gangs. They catch them, and then the let then go. Catching them is good. Letting them go again? Not so good.”
This is precisely the same problem with the “gang war” going on in the Vancouver area.
You’re right Kate. Totally missed the point.
Got Jamaica on the brain this week. Hope Toronto isn’t waiting for Jamaica to solve their problems. Ain’t going to happen any time soon.
BTW We’ve had 2 murders so far this year in G.Cayman, guns are illegal, and our pop. is miniscule.(50,000). (Only one was by Jamaicans…)
The Phantom –
“Btw, there’s a simple reason Toronto has trouble with Jamaican gangs. They catch them, and then the let then go. Catching them is good. Letting them go again? Not so good.”
Yeah…. I call it catch and release….like trout…..
However, it behoves me to clarify a lefty myth….handguns are not offensive weapons….they are in practice defensive….
All armys, regardless the nation arm their troops with long guns and handguns are a secondary weapon much like their knife.
The Police carry handguns but when gun play occurs—-and time allows—-the handgun armed patrolmen are swiftly replaced by ETR/SWAT teams who although armed with handguns, are primary “riflemen”.
Perhaps at least some of the gun-grabbers are more than aware that for self defense a handgun is the weapon of choice—especially when things get up close and personal.
My notion is that the gun-grabbers seek to make a safer environment for their real constituency—criminals…….
Then there is reality—-the COLD WAR is over and their side lost……but they refuse to surrender…..
No person should have a single handgun, it should have two.
Following the accidental death of a young woman on Young St., the usual suspects postured and preened for the cameras and terrified the people that did the shooting by raising their voices on the 6:00 news and closed some shooting ranges where law abiding people went so that if push came to shove, they wouldn’t miss. Fierce folks.
The former Chief of Police for LA (Now Chicago) was interviewed and asked for his solution. His opening statement was (and I paraphrase) “They’re Jamacians, right?” “The gang bangers are Jamacians, young blacks, isn’t that right?” The response was “We can’t talk like that.” “We don’t use language like that.” His response was “You’d better start. Identify the problem and don’t give them a seconds rest.” Go after them 24 hrs. a day and don’t let up.”
He was never heard from again. Mind you there were several long interview with several worthless pieces of $hi!t, like Layton, Miller and Co. who roundly praised the idea of more basketball courts as the solution.
Glad I don’t live there anymore.
Pat said: “Following the accidental death of a young woman on Young St., the usual suspects postured and preened for the cameras”
The young woman referred to was Jane Creba. Her family resides in Nanaimo and her family has deep roots in the local NDP.
So I decided to be pro-active and call the NDP to task on their coddling of young criminals who they deem to be ‘victims of circumstance’ themselves…. you know, root causes and all that. I wrote a letter to the editor in our local paper.
I of course, was a cruel, unfeeling and nasty conservative for even suggesting that the NDP should accept some responsibility for the death of Jane Creba. I was callous for ‘politiczing’ the tragedy. I was taken to task for suggesting that the gun registry was useless and that tougher sentences for gun crimes might be part of the solution.
Instead, the answer was more police, more resources and a greater understanding of the need for more basketball courts around Jane and Finch.
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“In 2003, there were 161 gun homicides in Canada. Assuming that each shooting involved a separate gun we can calculate what percentage of Canadian guns were involved in these murders. If we take the official figure of seven million guns we get (161/7,000,000 = 0.000023 or .0023%). Only 23 ten thousandths of 1% of the Canadian gun stock was involved in a homicide.”
“If we pursue our policy of regulating crime by strictly regulating gun availability to the general public we can reasonably expect that .0023% of our efforts will affect guns used in homicide and 99.997% of our effort will be wasted.”
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A firearm being given away as a door prize at a shooters dinner… That’s shocking… Almost as shocking as Tupperware being given away as a door prize at a Tupperware party or tickets to the next Blades game being given away as a door prize at the next Sutherland pee-wee fundraiser…
Friggin morons… Layton and his pals need a good swift kick in the box…
More basketball courts, please.
Our shooting galleries are too crowded.
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“16th Shooting Victim in Vancouver
The RCMP believes the 16th fatality in Metro Vancouver in two months was a targeted hit.
The 33-year-old man was found dead in a park in southeast Surrey Thursday morning.
Police say it was a targeted shooting, but the victim was not known to police.
There have been almost 40 gunfire incidents in Vancouver since the middle of January.”
http://www.cfra.com/?cat=3&nid=63902
Its all the fault of (fill in your favorite lefty myth here) that the world isn’t perfect. We need more left wing despotism to find utopia.
What I can’t figure out is why the CSSA or Brietkreuz didn’t seem to anticipate the reaction of the Toronto media. How come? Why was there no prepared reaction or no plan B? These guys are going to have to stop stumbling around, providing grist for the liberal media mills, and start acting like professionals.
Problem – Jamaican gang violence and murder in Toronto.
Cause – Jamaica is one of the most crime infested crapholes in the western world, Canada is a soft target for professional criminals.
Liberal solution – Ban guns from legal firearm owners nationwide.
Realistic solution – Stop importing frigging third world criminal’s full stop. Deport the ones that you catch here including parents, aunts, uncles and grandparents!