Vancouver school board trustee Sharon Gregson [publicly argues that] Canadians need to broaden their thinking about handgun ownership. “There is a thinking that guns can only be bad and related to crime, and that’s not my experience as a legal gun owner, participating in a gun sport,” Ms. Gregson said, explaining why she decided to get a handgun permit in Utah….
But some of Ms. Gregson’s colleagues have urged the trustee, a married mother of four, to stop shooting her mouth off. Trustee Clarence Hanson said her comments send the wrong message to kids. [Ed note – “stop shooting her mouth off”… how clever!]
“I was quite shocked,” Mr. Hanson said after he heard Ms. Gregson on a morning radio program yesterday, in which she argued in favour of easier access for permits to carry a concealed gun, especially for women who feel threatened. “As a school trustee, my concern is basically, we have a number of children … who sometimes feel harassed and bullied. I don’t want them to get the impression that this is the way to protect yourself,” Mr. Hanson said. “If they get a feeling that a school trustee who represents them thinks it’s okay to protect yourself in this way, … we’re going down a dangerous road, I think.” …
Ms. Gregson said she did not mean to suggest that kids in the school system be urged to carry guns. However, she did suggest that the outcome of the Montreal massacre might have been different if any one of Marc Lepine’s 14 female victims had been carrying a weapon…..
Not Lepine. Gharbi. His name was Gamil Rodrigue Gharbi.
The head of the Canada’s main gun-control lobby[, Wendy Cukier,] denounced Ms. Gregson’s comments as well …. “It’s an absurd comment. It’s completely contrary to Canadian traditions. It has no basis in fact, and for someone who is associated with schools to be making those comments is particularly alarming, especially a woman.” …
Well, Ms. Cukier… here’s a comment from a woman. I hope you find it alarming.
Not only did I shoot the gopher that graces the top of this page, I did so with what is now a prohibited firearm – the same .22 rifle I’ve used to dispatch gophers since I was 12 years old. And God willing, I’ll dispatch a few more with it in years to come.
And never mind the teachers – thinking back to the class of 16 that I graduated with, at least half of the girls I knew in school with would have proven a worthy match for Gharbi or any other nutcase intent on turning them into next year’s excuse for your precious televised candle-light marches – given half a chance and access to the appropriate firepower.
That any individual would presume define “acceptable” thought for an entire gender is completely contrary to our western democratic traditions, not to mention, an insult to all Canadian women. Suffice it to say, Wendy Cukier – you don’t speak for me.
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Thanks Kate for your take on Cukier the High Priestess of Canadian Gun Control.
She doen’t speak for many farm women I know either.
She may not know it but basically she speaks mostly for the lefties in MSM and in cities.
You can bet the farm on the fact she will be on TV within twenty minutes of a shooting pushing poverty and lack of money for basketball courts.
Same old crap.
Geez Kate, I wish you could take her on in TV rebuttal, but that never happens in Canadian TV, it’s ALWAYS Wendy Cukier and always with the last word!
It would be great to see Kate debate Cukier… any media types reading this blog?
Speaking of Canadian traditions, Cukier herself is basically a publicly-funded advocate:
http://www.yorku.ca/comcult/frames/staff/profiles/cukier.html
Funny the way the bureaucratic state contrives to hire people who argue for more bureaucracy. I wonder how many advocates on the other side of the debate get paid a professor’s salary to put forward their views?
I was born and raised and live in Toronto. My dad came from a long tradition of deer hunting and varmint killing on a New Brunswick farm. I love what you just said Kate. These people like Cukier, don’t just speak for women, but they presume to speak for all people as leftists are want to do. How does she know what is necessary in a part of the country and a way of life she knows nothing about? What does the French citizen Dion know about the Wheat Board? For that matter, what does a french speaking academic know about English speaking Prairie farmers?
What they know is socialism. And they would foist this one size, one world fits all ideology on everbody, unless we fight back. And not just fight back, but fight back to annihilate their toxic ideology. You are doing a great job of that. So are many of the people commenting on your blog. Reason and truth must will out. Keep up the good work.
A merry Christmas to all.
I’d like to feed “Kook”ier,some of the squirrels I’ve shot,tails and all!I too am of the “gentler” sex,have a little short 22,that is great for a varmint gun.I spend majority of my time home alone,as my hubby works away,live very rural,and know how to load a gun and shoot if I have to.Between my BIG dog,and weapons,I feel quite safe here!We have had a lot of trouble with b&e’s around here,but let one s.o.b.just try coming in here,and I would shoot first,ask later!I work hard for all I own,and won’t give it up without a fight!More women need to speak up to counter that big yap Kookier..she does NOT speak for me!
Yes the “shooting her mouth off” comment is quite telling. The journalist who wrote the article simply couldn’t resist getting their own smart alek shot in.
No, the MSM isn’t liberally biased oh noooo.
They are, however, complete scumbags.
Quick thought,
is it easier to kill five people in a split second with a car (I dunno, like driving into a market place) or with a gun.
It’s close, but its probably easier to do it with a car, why with reloading/and aiming ect.
Yet the thought of handing the keys over to a sixteen year old barely raises an eyebrow,
but if some farmer wants to own a gun he’s treated like a suspected criminal.
If i can correct one comment, the Ruger Mini 14 was 15 shots and noe under our regulations is 5 rounds.
But would love to see a discussion, no bebate between Wendy and Gary Maseur, sorry for the spelling but this gal has to be set stright.
having not fired a weapon in quite a few years, i am not qualified one way or the other to offer a comment on the subject, but i will add this….we are over-run with deer in eastern ontario…collisions with deer at a multi-year high….yet, the moonbat, anti-gun, anti-hunting crowd scream louder than ever….jerk-offs riding bikes in toronto have no idea what goes on outside of their city…..same on the whole water thing…if i hear another moonbat go on about us running out of water i will surely scream…..our lakes are overflowing, the ground is so wet, ponds are to be seen in any low-lying field, and my father-in-law’s sheep well is actually bubbling over….honest….we should be selling this stuff to the yanx….oh wait, that would make me a fascist…..
I happened to pick up an older edition of a Vancouver paper a few days ago.
In the first week of December there were three companies in Vancouver who were picked up on alleged firearms offenses.
One of the companies was lawfully registered by the “Cukie group” to import/sell any manner of highly restricted firearms specifically for sale to the movie industry for props. Go figure!
After an investigation and an audit, there were something like 1,980 firearms that were “unaccounted for”. Not sold to the movie industry but believed sold to the underworld in the lower mainland with of course no records to show where. The other two businesses were apparently fronting for the main one re sales.
We have all manner of people in the Prairies/BC who are dutifully registering our .22s and even signing so carefully for the purchase of a few shells. Why should we even bother. The Cukie Group doesn’t even have the moxie to keep a business like this under routine police surveillance with periodic audit/inventories taken to ensure compliance.
I have to wonder if we are ever going to be able to get ourselves on pathway of common sense where the good guys are in control.
No one has mentioned that this trustee is not only a woman, a gun owner, a sport shooter, but is also a member of the NDP. Can’t remember if she is on the executive or what, but she is very active in the party. When will taliban jack evict her.
She doesn’t speak for me either, Kate.
This assinine idea that all women think alike is a leftist fairy tale. No basis in fact at all. In fact, a lot of the people I disagree with most are other women. So, Wendy Cukier, stuff that in your pipe.
I’ve never held a gun, let alone fired one. But I don’t go along with the leftits’ view that no one should be allowed to own and use a gun. Lots of responsible people own guns and should be allowed to.
The leftist lobby only ensures that honest people are left defenceless while outlaws and gangstas are let loose to shoot ’em up all the time.
How can you get any Cukier?
Excellent post, Kate.
In regards to a debate between Kate and Cukier, I only have two words:
CAGE MATCH!
Merry Christmas to everyone on sda’s
Canadian traditions, Canadian values, etc., etc.,.Whenever I see or hear these buzz words I can almost guarantee that what will follow is something I am completely against. When I was a kid we got a great laugh out of the fact that our city cousins believed us when we told them that chocolate milk came from brown cows. Now I find myself angry that people who know so little about the country outside their own little world, think they have the right to speak for me and tell the world that “this” is what I think.
I got my ammunition from Al’s gun shop in Hamilton.
the clerk related the story to me (around the time the gun registry was still rock’s wet dream of getting into the pmo) about how wendy herselfs shows up with a pistol wanting to get it serviced.
wheres the transport permit says he
what permit says she.
etc etc
the woman doesnt know shit about handguns or any respect for reasonable regulations and she wants to dictate terms to those who do.
Wendy and her ilk will never understand that many of us headed off to the bush after school with guns over our shoulder and pockets full of shells, passing old ladies that said with a smile “how are you boys?”.Sadly not many girls hunted in my town (maybe their fathers knew us too well).
Times have certainly changed , along with the freedom and the responsibility that once led to a child’s peaceful life, which I would have to say we had in spades compared to many kids today.
It’s interesting to note that in jurisdictions that increase gun restrictions, gun crime goes up, not down.
“Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.
The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902
There is a serious problem on the rise here. The question is; is the Left simply in denial or are other factors at play here?
Wendy usually takes credit for founding her GC organization, but it or organizations of the same name (how do you register multiple organizations with the same name?) were started by Green Peace operatives decades ago during the Cold War. Are we on to something here?
Merry Christmas Kate and to All.
Biathlon Range
The Olympic Sport of Biathlon – which combines skiing with shooting…-
Myriam Bedard vs W. Cukier:
.. and they’re off….-
Notice the “clever” headline of the Globe article? “BC trustee won’t conceal her love of guns”. From the article:
“If arming to self-protect worked, the U.S. would be safe and it’s not,” Wendy Cukier said in a telephone interview.
Well isn’t that a nice little loaded, pre-conceived and vacuous pile of dung? By what criteria is the US not safe, and should we tell the people making about 15 million entries each year into the US about it? The continual knee-jerk responses of this cow are wearing very thin.
“It’s an absurd comment. It’s completely contrary to Canadian traditions.”
What is this supposed to mean? Again vacuous, empty rhetoric. What’s absurd is the little grasp she has of Canadian history.
“It has no basis in fact, and for someone who is associated with schools to be making those comments is particularly alarming, especially a woman.”
Heh. I can’t add to what Kate has said. Picture Kramer’s reaction after Jerry says “catfight” to him. 🙂
Sorry Bollocks, but that story has become urban myth – at least about it being Wendy. It wasn’t. It was a well known woman-about-town in Hamilton, but not Wendy.
If the Toronto yuppie crowd that is so adamant about “gun control”, would lobby TO city hall, they may be able to enact a city bylaw forbidding the use or possession of firearms in city limits.
Washington, D.C., and New York city have both done this. Unfortunately, they have some of the worst gun crime statistics in the U.S.
I’m sure Gary Mauser would love to debate Wendy Cukier on an open line radio show, but I doubt very much if Cukier would accept the invitation.
Gunney99, do you know if Dr.Mauser has ever attempted to get Wendy Cukier into an open debate?
Can a member of the “Great Unwashed” get access to an audit of the Coalition for Gun Control? I believe this organization receives funding from the Federal Government.
If so, it’s about time the taxpayers knew how the money is spent. Like SOW, and so many others, can we trust that the money is spent in fulfilling its mandate, or burned up on a fat act bureaucracy?
Merry Christmas to all.
Kate,
You big fake. Ladies have kilt more gophers by driving over them than shooting them.
I admit it. I’ve driv over a few.
Well said Kate, The women that I grew up with were familiar with firearms and also with the idea that should the need arise, they could and would defend themselves if need be. Mind you most of them men that I grew up with would have jumped Gharbi and beat him to death.
If Guns Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have Guns.
Frankly its jerks like CLARENCE HANSON who should stop shooting off his big fat piehole or he will end up with his foot well inserted in it
inttenched.
It ain’t just your guns they are after boys n’ girls. they’ve got their sights set on your car too.
phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2006/12/black-box-data-admissible-in-court.html
Just remember, people too stupid to be trusted with guns are FAR too stupid to be let out alone in a car. Big Brother wants to ride along, and what BB wants, BB gets.
There really isn’t any bottom to this hole. Incrementalism just keeps nibbling away, an inch here, an inch there…
Wendy is one of the scum of the earth in my mind.
I have worked across a table with Wendy, and she is one person I wish we could vote off the island.
She plays on a tradegy in Montreal to gain access to government funds to tell us what to do.
Failing an ability to vote her off the island, I ask the federal government to take every step to eliminate funding to her anti-rural crusade.
I am sick and tired of arogant urban academics telling us how to live in rural Canada.
here, on the outskirts of town, dreams seldom come true.
Please tell me again where this woman gets her money from??
I had half hoped that the gov’t cutbacks had dropped Wendy into oblivion, but I guess I was wrong.
As long as she keeps her face in front of a camera in Ontario, she is obviously still getting money from this cash cow somewhere???
Enough of the free ride already!
Apparently every year on december 6th they have a memorial service at ryerson university for the young ladys that were murdered by gamil gharbi. The piece i read said some students are asked to come forward and speak their feelings on the issue.
One of the students that came forward this year (a young lady) said this
“Even today we cannot begin to deal with issues of violence. Special interest groups, such as gun control lobbyist’s have hijacked the memory of these young women for their own political ends. It wasn’t guns that took these lives, it was a derranged criminal. We all need to look at the problem, not look to blame others”
Wendy Cukier is a proff. at ryerson as well as head spokeswoman for gun control. Apparently she was there for this young ladys speach and turned a couple of shades of green!
the media would have you believe most men are like the quebec french surrender monkeys that were there with garbi.
of course in “Canadian Tradition” all of us at the sight of a gun would hide behind the law, the constitution and possibly even Taliban Jack Layton or Scooter Brison because without the government we cant face anything ourselves.
I was unsurprised when this story proved to have no legs. It was pretty much a single day news item here on Van. Island and rather than having the socialist hordes attacking (after all, she is one of their own, even if an embarassment to them), it was one of our own Liberal (whom I supported because I believed they were really conservative)MLA’s attacking her for being a poor role model for our provinces tender children.
All I could say was, “you go girl”. Maybe this will be a step in her evolution into becoming a conservative herself.
My parents came to this country because they would be free to pursue their dreams free from goverment interference. If these people want to live in a socialist state return to Europe. As for “Canadian Traditions”, what happened to Strong, hard working, independent and freedom loving ? When will people in Toronto understand that socialism isn’t a “Canadian Tradition”.
I’d like to know when they are going to declare a special day for all the men in this country who have been murdered. After all, the number of men murdered FAR outweighs the number of women.
Horny Toad
Hey Kate. My Liberal MPP here in southwestern Ontario looks a bit like that dead gopher up top. Kin you come down here and shoot our varmint? He’s runnin’ our Hydro bills through da roof but they done took our guns away.
Don’t make it a head shot, tho. Make ‘im suffer the way we have.
Well said, Kate, and Merry Christmas to you.
Both my wife and her Mom ( before aging wore her down ) had to be crack shots- living in the country, they were “varmint control” at their feed store.
One of my favorite pictures of my own Mom is her standing on a dock with a double-barreled shotgun in on hand, and a brace of ducks in the other.
I suspect your Canadian traditions ( the real ones, not the phony spin designed to deprive you of things ) are not much different than ours.
One of ours is “Pioneer Women and farmwives”– the men were expected to handle some of the rougher chores, but they could not always be around to do it- so the women did. Including “predator control,” four-legged and two-legged.
Remember, just hold your fire to you see the whites of their eyes.
I keep reminding some of my friends in this very rural, and very well armed, deer-hunting, duck-hunting, grouse-hunting area, when they fret about the prospect of total gun control and total control by liberals, of this fact. If, or when, it were ever to evolve into a civil war between the liberal left wingers and the conservative right wingers, guess which group has the guns. And guess which group knows how to use them.
Also to be considered; if it was to get totally out of hand, are the big guns in the military basically liberal or conservative?
So this sprouts a basic question. Do these people EVER think: “H-m-m-m-m, how far can I push those with the guns, and how far can I degrade their basic freedoms, before they push back? Where is the line that I should not cross?”
Nah, they don’t think…
Another bail of tea into the harbor! Er-r-r-r-r, what’s that supposed to mean?
If its okay for everyone to own guns as long as they dont use them badly, then should it not be okay for every nation to pursue nuclear weapons? Seems to be the same line of thought…
Has anyone ever interviewed the male survivors of the slaughter. Where are they now, what are they doing. Many stories have been done on survivors of tradgedies, such as plane crashes etc, and it seems that many of them feel guilty. In cases of accidents, they had no control of if they survived, but those men that did nothing but hide had full control of their actions. What else have they hid from during the years. I always said that women supposedly wanted equality, to be treated the same as men, but when men finally said ok, and treated them like men, they ran to human rights courts etc and cried they were being sexually harassed. Men have killed men for years, so finally a man killed women, told off color jokes in front of them, put up their girlie calendars in front of them, swore at them and so many other things men do around men. I am sure there are many men and women posting here that can remember the days men treated women with respect, opened a door, gave up a seat and chastised any man that used foul language in front of women. They did it because it was the right thing to do, not because some feminazies said they must. It is groups like SOW, and others that have turned this generation of women into idiots. And to think dion wants 103 of them in the House of Commons. Women don’t vote for women in large numbers, ask Martha.
On a lighter side, my grandson has been counting the sleeps till Santa, like millions of others, and when he took 2 naps in one day he couldn’t figure out why Santa hadn’t come.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL.
Maybe Wendy Cukier and Rosie Abella could go on an overnight campig trip together…somewhere in the woods northwest of Victoria.
Kate you hit the nail on the head. Wendy certainly does not speak for the women in my household. As a matter of fact my wife and son joined my daughter and I at the range yesterday. We were there trying out my 16 year old daughters new 9mm Glock 17 handgun that she got for Christmas. Being a vicitm is never an option in our family. She is planning on being a lawyer and rest assured when she does she will be working hard to RETURN the legal right for all Canadians to defend themselves when required.
Hey old Hack, you must be a journalist (hence the name, “OLd Hack”). I would also expect you are a journalist given your support (in other postings, for lefty thought). But most of all I think you are a journalist because your postings are quite dumb.
Anyone who wants to equate the private, individual ownership of a hunting rifle with development of nuclear weapons is a bit of a shallow thinker. Go back to writing Britney Spears stories “Old Hack” they’re more your depth.
Regarding the gun control issue. To put it simply, I am buying a gun. I’m taking the test soon and will be buying one in the new year.
At this time I’ll buy one in the *LEGAL* manner but I also intend to make the contacts to enable myself to buy one in the *ILLEGAL* manner. This way if control regulations become any stricter I will still be able to buy one.
I don’t give a damn what the government, the media, the civil service (including police) or the pressure groups like or don’t like.
I will buy one and *OWN* one because I WANT ONE. I need no other reason.
Inane reactionary caterwalling like this is what reminds us that the extremists that populate the anti-gun cult are not for gun control but gun prohibition. By extention, they want total civil disarmament and forced pacification in the face of violence. They hold the dystopian ideal that NO violence is justified….not even defensive violence. They see no immorality in disarming a civilian in a world where police cannot stop criminals from attacking him. A case of total civil/social dyslexia.
The core of the philosophy is driven by an irrational motivator ( fear) and irrationality is the primary product of its public policy mewlings.
I grew up in a Canada where all my family had at least one gun in the home, my (most) schools had a rifle range and armoury where all the males had to qualify as marksmen (this was the late 60s folks)Our teacher explained this was for our own knowledge of defense and defense of the nation. Canada had no gun laws and local police organized youth shooting clubs to compete and stay out of trouble. In my city 2/5 teens were in some level of target shooting activity.
There were NO school shootings or gang wars or “drive bys” in my Canada where the firearms culture was long established and prevalent. This is the heritage and reality of traditional Canadian “gun culture”.
When the authorities and media (urged on by these utopian prohibitionists) started a campaign of fear mongering and paranoia that demonized firearms and their responsible and utilitarian use in civil society, we created a generation of young people cultured on fear and deprived of any real personal or civil responsibility. Political and ideological witch hunting and psychological indoctrination took the place of parental and community involvment in a kid’s development of civil ethics. The results were predictable.
I will not allow my kids to be victims of a dystopian system…they have been raised around firearms, know how to handle them responsibly and how to use them in the proper circumstance and what to do when they see one being used carelessly or criminally abused…they are essentially “fool proofed” from becoming gunshot victims and the comfort my wife and I feel at this is enormous.
A government that doesn’t trust you with a gun is also a government that does not trust you to vote correctly either. Civil disarmament is the playground of criminals, utopian fools and despots. I don’t intend to a victim of any of them.
Some of us are becoming concerned that the Conservatives are backing down on the oft-repeated promise to get rid of C-68.
My MP, and 2 other area MPs, told me that the goal was to get rid of the whole thing, and return to the “FAC” system run by the police.
Of all the promises made (and kept) by this government, getting rid of C-68 is the most important, IMHO.
They had better keep this promise…Or they will lose the next election. Ask Mulroney how conservative voters react to broken promises…
John,
Whos Britney?
“Anyone who wants to equate the private, individual ownership of a hunting rifle with development of nuclear weapons is a bit of a shallow thinker.”
Nuclear weapon. Gun. Same concept, different amount of power. Sovereign country. Individual Rights. Same concept. Different power.
If you really did give it any thought, you d realise the similarity…
Both provide the owner with a degree of power and prestige. Both act as deterrents. Killing a gopher and testing a bomb both serve as symbols of expertise and taelnt, and endow a degree of pride and prestige on those who ve achieved them. Both kill.
A society which has individuals who own personal arms is no different than a global society of nations who have nuclear weapons. Its really just a matter of scale – nukes are bigger to us, but frankly when someone we knows dies at the hands of another, it hardly makes a difference as to whether a nuke was used or a hunting rifle.
Oh and nope, I m not a journalist. And while I may not be intelligent, I havent given up my logic, common sense and reason for partisan rigidity.
Labels are for cans, John. Refute the arguments on a logical basis if you have the ability. Show some depth in your thinking. Calling me a lefty or righty is about the same as calling me a widget.
Old Hack I suspect you *ARE* or *WERE* a journalist. “Hack” is a self deprecating nickname journalists use for themselves on the internet. You can deny it if you want but other postings written by you that I’ve read tend to reinforce my belief that you are or were in the MSM.
As far as refuting your “oh-so-logical” comparisons of hunting rifles to nukes, no I don’t think I’ll bother with that useless exercise. No arguement I would ever make would convince a left wing nut like you. So, considering it’s Christmas eve and I have lots to do I think I’ll just leave it alone.
Now, regarding your question “Who’s Britney?”. I’m surprised you’d ask. You’ve seen enough pictures of her on that porn site you frequent.
Mad Mike:
You realize of course that our present Government is a MINORITY.
A law to repeal the long gun registry would not pass.
Old Hack:
To follow your analogy, If a person threatened in public to kill someone or a group of people, he would not be able to own a gun. That is our present law. So are you saying its ok for Iran to have nukes in spite of the fact that they call for the destruction of Israel?
Come to think of it, I know a couple of gophers I’d like to nuke. I didn’t realize widget(hack) was talking about pesonal nukes; right on hack, keep up the good logic.