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December 17, 2012

What We Really Need Is Democracy

With a totalitarian theocracy to vote for!

The sharia constitution is not winning by a slim margin. It is winning in a landslide.

'Cause you can see her face on the driver passenger license: Women Without Hijabs Were Prevented From Voting In Egypt

Posted by Kate at December 17, 2012 1:48 PM
Comments

Who could possibly have forseen this?

Posted by: Black Mamba at December 17, 2012 2:23 PM

Obama = 5th column

Posted by: Ham at December 17, 2012 3:06 PM

Hey, I've got an idea. Why not take a page out of their playbook? No one who isn't dressed in a suit and tie or appropriate business suit will be allowed to vote in any of Canada's elections.This will ensure Conservative wins for generations. Have you ever seen a liberal dress like that?

Posted by: Original Rick at December 17, 2012 3:06 PM

Many yes votes were just votes for stability not so much in favor of Sharia. But the outcome is the same.

Posted by: LAS at December 17, 2012 3:10 PM

What was it the MSM called it again...ah, yes, "The Forces of Light and Freedom".

Boy, wait till Judi Rebick, Maude and that crowd hear about this!

Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at December 17, 2012 3:20 PM

Proof please LAS.

Posted by: richfisher at December 17, 2012 3:22 PM

I don't think that most Westerner's really understand that the Arabs by and large want Sharia Law as the way to live their lives and control their women. You can bet that it will only take a few soccer stadiums full of spectators when they cut off the right hands of a bunch of thieves and shoot a few Burqa clad women in the back of their heads for some real or imagined crimes to make the Arab Spring a distant memory. It ain't pretty but it does work.

Posted by: Patsplace at December 17, 2012 3:23 PM

It’s sort of like showing up to vote without your Bamba Phone.

The biggest difference is that the Arabs would never stomach a Black Panther with a baton regulating the movements of a light skinned Arab national outside of the polling station. They have their pride you know.

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 3:37 PM

There must be a hole in that middle class bucket...heh

Posted by: stradivarious at December 17, 2012 3:47 PM

Men without Hats- 'You can Dance'
Women without Hijabs 'We can't dance, vote, drive work, etc.' Gotta work on the chorus but I'm sure it's a hit

Posted by: Greg at December 17, 2012 3:48 PM

I'm going to disagree. The vote is not for Sharia Law. Has anyone here bothered to read the Constitution?

Kindly remember that the Islamic world has lived within Islam for centuries. It is naive to think that they will reject, and I mean reject, this ideology for their future. Most people only focus on the 'Six Pillars' which are mild observances of acknowledging god etc. What is at serious stake here, however, is the difference between orthodoxy and moderate Islam - which does exist even though many here adamantly reject such a distinction.

The riots in Egypt were and are for both political and economic freedom. They were not demands for orthodox Sharia Law and the conflict between those who want orthodoxy (and I maintain this is not the majority) and those who simply want to retain their old ideology will continue. Just as they continue in Israel.

Egyptians don't want totalitarianism; what do you think the riots were about a few weeks ago when Morsi tried to assume dictatorial powers? It took two weeks of riots for Morsi to annul his decree. He might try again. And riots will emerge yet again.

Article 2, which defines the role of Islam in the state, is apparently similar to that of Mubarek with the added note that it is Sunni Islam that is referenced.

It's filled with inconsistencies, much as our own Constitution with that dreadful Charter, deprives us of clear rights by privileging identity group rights over individual rights.

For example article 31, states that, “The individual person may not be insulted,” and article 44 prohibits “the insulting of prophets'.

Who and what defines an insult, and are they seriously saying that from now on, no-one in Egypt can 'insult' another person? Sounds rather similar to our Human Rights Tribunals, which dominated our speech for years until, just this year, Harper got rid of that Section 13 about 'feeling insulted'.

It guarantees freedom of the three monotheistic religions but only those three. I presume, ah, atheism, is not mentioned. Still to be dealt with, with the orthodox, are women's rights. Might I remind people here that Israel's orthodox share many views about women with Islam, and certainly reject women working alongside men.

Moving into, not merely the modern social world, but the modern economic world is going to take time. Moving from a statist economy into one enabling small business capitalism, is absolutely vital. Egypt is, to put it mildly, almost economically bankrupt with serious problems in food supplies and half the population defined as living in poverty.

Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 3:52 PM

If that's what they want... so let it be.

who are we to tell them how to run their country?

Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at December 17, 2012 4:11 PM

Sorry ET we agree on a many things but, you are dreaming of utopia in this case. Whenever you think some society is progressing in a true progressive sense, remind yourself, USA voted for Obama - twice

Posted by: Greg at December 17, 2012 4:12 PM

So just what is the problem here? Isn't it the right of the Arab Spring to stone to death a women who was raped,because she allowed it? Hey.They voted for it,so it must be democracy,right? After all,a woman's say is only worth 1/4th of the superior male.Sooooo....1/4th equals a "slim" lead,according to the MSM.
Thinking back....most leftards are actually jealous of the muzzies,as the muzzie way of sharia is what the leftards really want.They just won't admit it.
And where is Rebick? Calling you out,Judy.Why aren't you protesting against this? With your little lesbo ex-page buddy? Is it because scum like you cannot denounce the scum muzzie? Sick and tired of the works.

Posted by: Justthinkin at December 17, 2012 4:20 PM

Quebecois NDP separatiste >

Finally we agree 100%!

We should do the same in Canada as well; first we need to insure that all people who speak French or hold a Quebec drivers licence or residence are not allowed into the voting stations.

Then we vote!

We should also stay out of Arab/ Muslim affaires and in turn they should stay out of ours, like immigration.

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 4:21 PM

Greg, but I don't think that the US is 'progressing in a true progressive sense'. They are imploding. Socially and economically. I hope the US can pull out of it.

The Tea Party is the only sane group. The GOP are in disarray because they refuse to accept that their policies can't be a version of the Democrat's socialism. The Democrats have been taken over by hardline socialists. And Obama is a malevolent dictatorial narcissist.

As for Egypt, it's also in an economic and societal implosion phase. Its statist one-industry (Suez tolls) redistribution economy cannot sustain the exponential growth in population; the majority of the population live in poverty.

The economy has to change. And along with this, to enable this change, the society has to change to enable more economic freedom, entrepreneurship and innovation. To assume that going back into fundamentalism, as in orthodox Islam, will solve this major economic looming catastrophe, is naive.

So, I'll stand by my analysis. Nothing to do with utopianism. After all, Sharia Law is utopian because it attempts to impose a lifestyle that rejects modern economic and global networked reality.

Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 4:24 PM

Moving into, not merely the modern social world, but the modern economic world is going to take time.

Well, maybe just a slow leak...:)

Posted by: stradivarious at December 17, 2012 4:29 PM

"The economy has to change"

I can't wait for the new Egyptian ground breaking cars to come out; I hear they'll be shaped like a pyramid pointing up as you go down the road.

Maybe even make some retro glass tube TV's to compete with Japan & China after all they definitely have the sand and sweatshop bodies to spare.

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 4:40 PM

ET - Yes we are probably more in agreement than I think - typing is harder for me than math.

Posted by: Greg at December 17, 2012 4:45 PM

ET - Yes we are probably more in agreement than I think - typing is harder for me than math.

Posted by: Greg at December 17, 2012 4:45 PM

Egyptians may not vote/have voted for totalitarianism, but what you think you're voting for and what you get can be so far apart as to be unrecognizable......especially when your literacy/sophistication levels leave a lot to be desired.

Posted by: Nemo2 at December 17, 2012 4:53 PM

Nemo2, your comment could also very accurately describe the situation and voters of the USA with regards to Obama. Both in 2008 and 2012.

Knight99, for heaven's sake, Egyptians and/or Muslims don't all have pointed heads and bloodstained fangs and claws. Get over it.

Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 5:09 PM

ET >

"Egyptians and/or Muslims don't all have pointed heads and bloodstained fangs and claws. Get over it."

Ha, ha, as repeatedly stated I know who & what Arab/ Muslims are, I’ve lived directly with them for decades, yes actually in their countries.

The only people who don’t seem to understand Arab Muslims very well are you, Progressive Liberal elites, Leftist radicals, and blog trolls.

I'll keep my company with Steyn, Netanyahu and all the other serious people who actually "get it", but thanks anyway.

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 5:26 PM

Nemo2 @4:53 and ET, and that would include Alberta.

Regarding Egypt, this will not end well.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at December 17, 2012 5:38 PM

"So, I'll stand by my analysis. Nothing to do with utopianism. After all, Sharia Law is utopian because it attempts to impose a lifestyle that rejects modern economic and global networked reality.
Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 4:24 PM "
Tell you what,ET. Go stand by your analysis in Egypt. Oh wait. Against your democract way? But it is democratic.They voted for it,soooo....Funny how some leftards like you do not realize you are.

Posted by: Justthinkin at December 17, 2012 5:39 PM

Justthinkin - have you read their new Constitution? Yes? No? Take a look at it.

Knight99, yes, you do know the non-modernized peoples of the MENA. Living in a mode of life that is, conceptually, centuries out of date and out of sync with the rest of the world. Living an uneducated, isolated, backwards, superstitious, anti-reason, anti-science, and corrupt, corrupt.

What you reject is that, the west changed, because it HAD TO. And the MENA will also change for the same reason.

There is no force like the economy for making a people face reality.

Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 5:52 PM

ET:

The flaw in your analysis of the MENA (and of Quebec also) is that you only consider the economic aspect as if economy was the only thing that mattered in life. NOT TRUE.

CULTURE MATTERS. a lot. more so than the economy.


Egyptians have a unique culture that affect all the events in the region. It is not only about population growth and your stupid 2-cents theory about the middle class and all that make no sense at all.

Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at December 17, 2012 6:49 PM

ET >

“There is no force like the economy for making a people face reality.”

The problem is that these people face reality every day, it is we in the west that generally do not face reality and who live our reality in the current materialistic facade and other shiny bubbles we find ourselves.

We are now sitting on a knives edge of either declining success or complete anarchy in the west with more “apocalyptic” hair triggers than most who pay attention dare to count.

Care to guess why the Arab/ Muslim world appears to hate us so much and vote totalitarian when given the chance? It’s not because of our “Freedoms & Liberties” to be sure.

The best place to start is to think of children. Childlike petty jealousy and lying is a cultural norm in the Arab world as is running around with sticks & stones, AK-47’s, or whatever else helps settle a score. It’s also about status, racism, and superiority on a variety of levels – They simply don’t get and can’t stand that they appear to be “on the bottom”, when they “deserve to be on top”. Islam only reinforces this cultural superiority belief.

Slaves, honor killings, paedophilia, bestiality, closet homosexuality, are not made up stereotypes, they are widespread cultural practices by many that will take a hell of allot more than a “larger economy” to squeeze out of the cultural mindset.

* (The other misinformation not reaching western Liberal ears, is that all of the failed “Arab Spring” countries had economies beforehand! Yes, all the North African countries allowed women to vote and anyone to own a business of their choice including paying reasonable tax’s on their earnings, far better tax rates than in the west).

Obviously any western, military occupation and general societal interference by “rich hedonistic western countries” seals the deal, especially when it comes to not helping Islam wipe Israel off the map, or help settle other regional disputes in their individual favor.

“And the MENA will also change for the same reason.” – ET

Not in many lifetimes to be sure, if ever at all.

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 6:53 PM

The degree of Sharia in the Egyptian constitution is bad, but it's nowhere near Taliban bad and not even Iran bad. A lot of Muslims will like the 'idea' of Sharia but when things gets specific the enthusiasm will get a lot more...varied. The Muslim Brotherhood is probably going to be pro-business like their brothers in the Turkish AK Party. They will not want to harm Egypt's tourism industry.

ET: Knight99 must have been cut out of the hashish circles/card games. He wants to hate the MENA peoples. Let him wallow in misery.

Posted by: LAS at December 17, 2012 7:33 PM

Knight 99, always enjoy your comments.

Could you give us a few paragraphs of your experiences living in the arab world? I have read Hirsi Ali's books and she describes what life was like as a female in their world and it was not pretty.

Hope ET is right in her analysis but watching and reading what is going on in Toronto's muslim communities makes me very apprehensive of ET's optimism.

Thanks

Posted by: dave at December 17, 2012 7:50 PM

Knight99, yes, a lot of your descriptions of the people and lifestyles exist in the MENA (and elsewhere) but I don't think that you could honestly say that ALL or even the majority fall into these descriptions.

As for economies, of course they had economies! The point is, that most of their economies were statist, ie, non-capitalist and without a middle class private sector economy. As for voting, since they were not constitutional democracies, then, the votes, if they had them, were irrelevant. In many cases, these states were dictatorships or operating in 'states of emergency' for decades which gave unlimited powers to the government, etc. For example, the decades long mess in Algeria.

dave, a major problem with ethnic and religious communities in the West is multiculturalism. By this I mean that these immigrants are encouraged to bring their old ethnic, cultural, religious identities from 'the old country' and insert them, sealed, into the new country. They are often living on government subsidies and welfare and are thus isolated from the necessity of integrating with other peoples in the new land.

They thus become sealed in stone identity blocs, focused on preserving their old identity as a kind of Pure Being. Focused on ancient hatreds, focused on behaving as they did one hundred years ago, and above all, rejecting integration, assimilation, collaboration with others. That's what multiculturalism does and thus, these ethnic and religious groups in the west are often far more radical than in their old homeland.

It's easy to be radical in the West; it's similar to the security of the Seminar Room. You can say and preach what you want; no accountability, no responsibility.

Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 8:22 PM

Dave >

“Could you give us a few paragraphs of your experiences living in the arab world?”

Don’t want to get off topic to far Dave, but I will say that nearly all of my experiences in the MENA were good. I actually do quite like the Arab peoples and they always seemed to have liked me as well, not true for many other westerners that I know.

All Arab cultures are mysogynist to some extent, some far more pronounced than others.

The biggest difference over western male counterparts, is that I never lost site that I was a guest in their countries even as a permanent resident and have always showed genuine respect and appreciation to any host.

My statements in the above comments are true and accurate about the general Arab populations; they are childlike peoples nearly everywhere I’ve been. They find pleasures and angers in the simplest things. I’ve been very close too but not involved in some terrible atrocities committed by gangs or roving “youths” (14 – 40 years old) in places like Algeria (and Indonesia BTW) when whipped up by local Imams. In contrast a simple whistling tune will put them all shamelessly laughing and dancing together out of the blue like little kids.

That said: Muslims generally behave very differently to respectful Christians and other westerners across the ME/ NA and SEA than they do in the west. It all changes terribly when they land in the west with the Liberal apologist & entitlement system laid at their feet.

None of this makes our cultures compatible of course, and it’s in the understanding of this that we should be keeping well clear of them politically and geographically. We need to use our economic and immigration carrot & stick to influence them if desired. Nothing more is needed, nothing more will be heeded.


Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 8:45 PM

Nemo2, your comment could also very accurately describe the situation and voters of the USA with regards to Obama. Both in 2008 and 2012.

Posted by: ET at December 17, 2012 5:09 PM
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That, indeed, was the implication.

Posted by: Nemo2 at December 17, 2012 9:03 PM

ET and Knight 99, thanks for your comments. I agree that multiculturalism is definitely a great negative in integrating people into our Western countries and we continue with it at our peril. It worries me greatly as I have seen in Europe that musllims take over an area in a city and then consider it theirs and are hostile to anyone other than a muslim who enters this part of the native citizen's own country!

As Mursi stated there is no Egypt, it is only part of the muslim caliphate.

Posted by: dave at December 17, 2012 10:52 PM

Dave >

“...multiculturalism is definitely a great negative in integrating people into our Western countries and we continue with it at our peril.”

Well said dave!

What needs to be understood by all who care, is that multiculturalism is nothing more than another weapon in the Liberal Progressive arsenal against the free and democratic capitalist west. They are actively recreating a socialist class system of haves and have not’s by flooding our economies and cultures into one soupy, race baiting mess of sweatshops, and ruling elites.

Globalization, open borders, multiculturalism, economic and environmental overregulation, gun control, domestic militarized police services, domestic antiterrorist legislation et al are all ends to a means for those that seek wealth, power, and control.

It’s an old game played by ruling elites since civilization began and we are all pawns in it. Currently the peoples of the MENA are paying the heaviest price with their blood and their homes. We are not far behind ourselves if we continue to allow ourselves to be manipulated by these global “goodwill schemes” that pretend to be one thing but always prove to be another. Not unlike the western intervention/ creation of the “Arab Spring”.

I’m not anti Arab as many of the loony liberal SDA trolls pretend; I’m anti socialist big government police state control of my country, using Islam as but one of their weapons against us.

Posted by: Knight 99 at December 17, 2012 11:24 PM

I firmly believe that the Middle East will always be a problem to the world and to themselves until the time where MEN actually believe that WOMEN are equal. Until their laws and actions reflect this there will always be strife.

Unfortunately with Sharia being enshrined in their laws and constitution peace to that part of the world is Centuries away.

Posted by: RL at December 18, 2012 9:28 AM

As a follow up, where are the Social Democrats, NGO's and and the Plethora of Womens movements on this issue. Don't see them complaining on MSM. Their silence on this issue leads me to believe that they are actually in favour of Sharia Law rather that the Judeo-Christian values that we have been brought up with.

Merry Christmas Everyone

Posted by: RL at December 18, 2012 9:33 AM

st has been at war for 6000 years. Do you liberals really think you can stop this fire . Foo on your god complex.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at December 18, 2012 8:43 PM

Sorry ;
The MIddle East

Posted by: Revnant Dream at December 18, 2012 8:45 PM
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