“I feel very much for Miss Provost but unfortunately being shot does not make you an expert in firearms or firearms control any more than being run over by a car makes you an automotive engineer.”

That shoulda left a mark....but....a tree that falls in a forest....

So the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police state:

“Our priority, as always, is the public safety of Canadians"

If true, then why do they almost always charge citizens for defending themselves when violently attacked?

Now that thar quote is funny. (Un)fortunatly, Mr tony will never become a politician by speaking the truth so bluntly.

Ms Provost should have stayed at a Holiday Inn express.

Ha Ha. This is a prime example of how the MSM invents the news as it goes along. Thank you for reminding me since I don't look at this crap anymore.

By the way, the two main reasons I vote Conservative is because of the TFSA and because they repealed gun licencing. That extra $500 next year demonstrates that my vote has been a good investment.

If the C's repealed the provisions on the FAC requiring failed dating material to sign-off on my renewal paperwork, I might actually decide to take up some of those lonely, child-less, egg-less women on the cow-eyed signaling I get from them across the room. Until then I have my PC for the news, my Defender in the gun safe, and my like-inclined bachelor buddies down at the local watering hole where we can talk hunting and sailing.

So - from a personal point of view - all you lonely women approaching your declining years best think about what it is you want - can you live with the gun, or will the cat have to do?

What are you celebrating?
If this quote is accurate, we've got a traitor in the office:

“Prohibited weapons exist as a category under the law for essential reasons of public security. The government has absolutely no intention of weakening that category of protection.”

Hello, politics! Harper has to view with alarm publicly, particularly in a Toronto (Red) Star interview.

I think one of the things we as gun owners have to admit is that Liberals have won the propaganda war. Something aproaching half the population really believes gun cause crime. They really believe assault weapons are the work of the devil and that such weapons cause massacres.

So yeah, no duh Mr. Harper shouts when somebody says assault rifle. On TV. Off TV he's quite well aware of the facts, if for no other reason than he's got Gary Breitkreuse in his caucus.

You keep Prohibited Weapons as a class, and you quietly empty it out by Order In Council over the years.

Or you lose the election and Boob Rae gets to ban guns completely.

Thems is the choices, my friends.

Yeah, because a whole lot of people were bayoneted to death before my FN-SLRs (Aussie built FN-FALs) were prohibited. Harper is moving ever leftward.

Since my rifles are prohibited, I can not even take them to an approved shooting range to send a few rounds downrange. Sort of interferes with my right to enjoy property.

"You keep Prohibited Weapons as a class, and you quietly empty it out by Order In Council over the years."

What has the CPC ever done to show you that they are going to even consider thinking about doing this? Trashing the non-restricted registry? Spare me, the Firearms Act as a whole still exists, where firearms owners are to be allowed less 'rights' than common criminals.

Also, many firearms are prohibited by name via the C68 legislation. To change that, the CPC would have to trash the Firearms Act with another bill, it can't be done with an OIC. Do you honestly think that is going to happen?

Al-in-ottawa:

If you owned a prohibited weapon before it was classified as such, were you granted "bona fide collector" status, or whatever the right to own prohibited weapons is called today?
If so, DANG! I should'a bought that Steyer Aug (now prohibited) in '84 instead of the AR-15 (merely restricted).
The ability to own and trade fully automatic firearms is rare in Canada, and getting more so as time goes on.

I notice Harper seemed to agree with Bob Rae that members of the Police Chiefs should sit on the gun control advisory panel. I disagree most vehemently.

The CACP is apolitical organization, very Liberal in their views, bought and paid for by Jean Chretien with a multi-million dollar infusion of taxpayers money into the CACP pension fund.

The rank and file police officers I have spoken to are contemptuous of the CACP and say they DO NOT represent the opinion of front line police officers.

The MSM,in consort with the CACP,will always trot out a constable to claim they R&F DO agree with the CACP,but what's a low-ranking cop to do when challenged to agree with the Chiefs on the national media stage?

It's odd, but the consortium of feminists,lesbians, and anti-gun lunatics bang on this "gun control" drum every year as though it was the greatest tragedy in Canadian/human history,while on the same date in 1917, a far greater tragedy occurred,with little commemoration.

I wonder how long this weep-and-blame-the-males festival will go on, 23 years and counting.

Phantom,

You can't take a prohib out of 12.x by OIC.

OIC is a one way road.

Read C68 once more and please pay attention to the wording allowing to use orders in council to proscribe firearms as prohibited or restricted. There is no reversal of that in the law, thus OIC cannot be used to remove a prohib or restricted classification.

Another CPC stooge's lies go puff.

"Sort of interferes with my right to enjoy property"

Yeah, like you've ever had that "right" with the worthless "Charter" in place. Statists hate property rights. Always have, always will.

mhb23re

"...main reasons I vote Conservative is because of the TFSA and because they repealed gun licencing. ..."
Posted by: T.C

T.C., they didn't repeal gun licensing. It is still a criminal offence in Canada to be in possession of a firearm except in the course of duty as a soldier or police officer, unless you are temporarily excused the offence by a firearms license that is subject to the whim of a Chief Firearms Officer.

The government has abolished the federal registry of non-restricted firearms that recorded which ones were in the possession of which licensed gun owners. That's all.

Not only does getting shot not make you an expert on firearms or firearms control, it actually suggests the possibility that you don't know as much as any ordinary person ought to know about firearms or firearms control.

This is very close to the end result of what happens when the government decides, what is permitted and what shall be permitted. Instead of having some areas of our pathetic lives that it is prohibited to preside over. Those areas of our lives where we are guaranteed freedom from government intrusion is limited only by what others haven't yet seen.

The re-application of a gun registry, or gun prohibition is one Conservative election loss away. Any other party that leans more left than the current group of Conservatives will feel compelled to wade in on this issue and attempt to "do something" to prevent deaths or shootings.

The USA's second amendment should be seen as a minimum of personal guarantee, rather than something to be constantly curtailed. Perhaps through the courts someday, someone will be found not guilty of possessing a firearm illegally as the government hasn't any place in the holsters of the nation.

"informed juries"

The great gun grab, is still on. Did anyone else notice the final numbers of the gun registry?
Approx 2 million weapon registered, all categories.
Original estimate was 7 million gun owners and 14-20 million guns.
Being licensed to legally possess a firearm, strips you of your rights.
Being in possession with out a permit makes you a criminal with all the rights extended to our criminal classes.
In this case being a scoff law is a saner position.
Bill C68 was and is nuts. If you have registered weapons, the police can send a swat team to your door,search without justification or warrant.
Given the wild difference between the numbers above, my conclusion is Canadian gun owners have deep sixed this law . The politicians are still trying to save face.
Tools do not act on their own, any one who seeks to ban the tool is delusional by definition.
Or too gutless to take responsibility for their own actions.
The sad thing about the legacy of Eecol Politechnic, is no one remembers the names of the 14 victims but every one knows Lepines name.This is our useless media celebrating what they claim to decry. By rights he,Lepine, should be referred to, as The Loser Who shot .. name the victims.

Re: The Phantom at December 7, 2012 11:45 AM. Agreed! Anyone who is paying attention can see that the Left MSM holds the clout in a free society.
If Harper steps too far out of line or they sense that there is not a large segment of the public supporting him, they will "Sarah Palin" him. Or to Canadianise the expression: "Stockwell Day" him.
When will Gun Owners acknowledge that there are only 4 rules to remember?
They are: 1. Shut up and support the CPC and vote for them not the NDP as your union buddies encourage.
2. Work within the CP Party for enhancement of GC Laws so they are respectful of citizen rights.
3. Remember the alternative.
4. Remember the alternative.

"The sad thing about the legacy of Eecol Politechnic, is no one remembers the names of the 14 victims but every one knows Lepines name.This is our useless media celebrating what they claim to decry. By rights he,Lepine, should be referred to, as The Loser Who shot .. name the victims.
"

Or known as "Canada's first domestic Muslim terrorist."

"The sad thing about the legacy of Eecol Politechnic, is no one remembers the names of the 14 victims but every one knows Lepines name.This is our useless media celebrating what they claim to decry. By rights he,Lepine, should be referred to, as The Loser Who shot .. name the victims.
"

Or known as "Canada's first domestic Muslim terrorist."

I will never own a legal firearm in canada.

Red. They are all illegal.

You have to ask PERMISSION, via a license, to possess one.

454guy, what alternative do you suggest? You can either vote CPC or you can have Boob Rae's gun Gestapo kicking in your door at 3 am. CPC can ether go slow on dismantling the Liberal machine, or they can lose the next election and you get Boob Rae's gun Gestapo again.

Welcome to Reality. I don't like this situation, but I'm not dumb enough to just shut my eyes and hope the bad people go away.

Are you?

mhb at 236pm.

I am well aware that the right to own property is not in the 1982 charter. I was making a reference to the 1960 Bill of Rights introduced by Diefenbaker.

Annoyed, I think Red Gunlop if fully aware of his current status. Limbo seems just about right.

MOLAN LABE

"The rank and file police officers I have spoken to are contemptuous of the CACP and say they DO NOT represent the opinion of front line police officers."

Posted by: dmorris at December 7, 2012 1:15 PM

Maybe. But their union - the Canadian Police Association - wanted the long-gun registry retained.

Y'know, if we EACH went out and "shortened" the existence of even one known criminal in our communities, we'd eliminate crime for 100 years.

I'll leave it up to "experts" to prove my case. It has to be true.... the opposite would be "illogical".