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November 7, 2012

The Demonization of Polititical Opponents in the Modern Era

Today on Facebook, the day after Barack Obama's stunning re-election, two acquaintances of mine - a 40-something man in Montreal and a 30-something woman in Vancouver - published this graphic:

AmericaVotingMap.jpg

In the latter case the "Doesn't seem like a coincidence..." tagline was added.

Here's the first part of the resulting discussion with the woman in Vancouver:

Me: Just so I understand your implication, if an American believes in fiscal responsibility and thus voted for Mitt Romney, then that makes them in support of slavery? Interested in your thoughts.

Her: It was not just 'fiscal responsibility' that Mitt Romney represents, it is also limits on human rights. Taking away large portions of a woman's ability to make decisions about her own body, LGBT rights, healthcare and education if you come from a less than privileged background, and much more beyond that.

I'm not making a direct comparison between slavery and voting (maybe the original creator of the image was, I don't know) however it does seem that certain values are entrenched.

On Facebook, I deliberately stayed silent about politics throughout the recent American presidential campaign. I felt that expressing my own opinions would accomplish nothing positive and only help to alienate my Left leaning friends & acquaintances, of which I have many.

What would a reasonable, middle-of-the-road person conclude from the comparison of an historical map that showed the "slave states" in America with a 2012 map that showed which states had Republican majorities?

I have MANY American friends who voted for Mitt Romney for one reason & one reason only: Fiscal Responsibility. It saddens me beyond belief that in 2012 the "level" of public discussion has devolved to a point where:

  • If you believe that able-bodied individuals should not be entitled to endless money from the government then you "hate the poor"

  • If you believe that ever growing annual deficits (now in the trillions) are a destructive thing and completely unsustainable then "you are unprogressive" and "your values are entrenched in the past"

  • If you believe that the term "marriage" should remain between a man & a woman, even if you want full benefits for gay couples, then you still "hate gay people"

  • If you criticize Barack Obama for ... well, anything ... then "you're a racist"

  • If you think there might be something wrong with aborting a perfectly healthy baby in the 2nd or 3rd trimester then "you are interfering with a woman making decisions about her own body" and "are waging a war against women"

  • If you are concerned about ever-escalating healthcare costs taking up a larger & larger percentage of the budget then "you don't care about the sick"

  • If you believe that public school teachers need to be accountable (ie. can be fired where warranted) then "you hate children"

  • If you don't believe in higher & higher taxes "for the rich" (aka "business owners grossing over $250K) then "you are selfish and hate the poor"

  • If you don't believe in the government getting involved in more & more private sector industries then "you are unenlightened and don't have a vision for the future"

Let's be clear, not everyone on the Left believes everything in this list but every point is very much part of the mainstream political narrative in America today. Some might suggest that these points represent a "Democrat strawman" I've invented but I believe not for they seem to form the basis of talking points repeated by so many on the Left.

Furthermore, based on the way Stephen Harper is similarly demonized, it's not too different in Canada either. The end result is that no actual problems ever get fixed. After all, how can two sides come to agreement on anything when one side believes themselves to be "enlightened and good" and is convinced the other side is "backwards and evil"?!

Posted by Robert at November 7, 2012 5:23 PM
Comments

The richest comment I have received yet is from a female Obamanut who implied I was immoral and arguably non-Christian for endorsing the Iraq war, yet took no notice that she endorses the party whose platform is predicated on abortion for one and all. By death count alone, it's not even a competition. #blinders

Posted by: Mark at November 7, 2012 6:03 PM

Robert the people you are talking about are the base of the democrats/liberals and NDP. They can never be convinced. It's the people who can be swayed that need to be dealt with. Luntz had a good segment on this today on the Hanity show at around 75 minutes into the show.

Posted by: james at November 7, 2012 6:10 PM

All I can say is, I'm depressed...she knows that the Democrats were against civil rights before they were champions of the black community?

Posted by: pongo at November 7, 2012 6:12 PM

Demonization in partisan politics? Didn't you get the memo?

All those negative ads - from both sides, mind, suggest that it isn't going to go away, probably because its effective.

I mean, theres some very smart individuals on this website who take leave of their senses at the very mention of Obama. I haven't been coming here of late, but isn't the general consensus that he's a narcissistic, possibly Muslim (which is akin to a swear word among some of these posters) madman who's goal is to take down/convert America?

If that isn't demonization, I don't know what is.

Suffice it to say, nothing new here. Bush wasn't treated any better.

Posted by: Remember, remember, the fifth of November at November 7, 2012 6:18 PM


So she has the right to her body but won't let poor people sell a kidney to someone who needs it.

Equality is only for people she approves of.

Posted by: Fred at November 7, 2012 6:20 PM

Heh,

seems it just slipped her mind that the slave masters were Democrats.

Cool.

Ain't it?

Posted by: Lev at November 7, 2012 6:22 PM

Many in the South during the Civil War were fighting more for States rights than the institution of slavery. To me the similarity in the maps implies the individual spirit vs statism.

p.s. Lincoln AND Martin Luther King were Republicans.

Posted by: ann at November 7, 2012 6:36 PM

Well hey, you could just post a picture of a world map in all shaded in one color since everyone was into slavery if you go back far enough.

Posted by: JC at November 7, 2012 6:37 PM

Robert, they're not "enlightened" they are "progressive". Everyone else is just evil. I'm sick and tired of being denigrated by the left because I hold views contrary to theirs. Well I guess we'll see what barry can accomplish, if anything. Now we just have to deal with the lieberals electing the pretty boy as leader, then those same "progressives" will elect him Prime Minister. God help us all. I was watching the news this morning and a commercial for UFC came on. I said to my wife, "this is kind of like the Colliseum in Rome just before they're civilization fell." Can you say goodbye Western Civilization? Pretty boy's brother is on record saying we've overstayed our welcome, so I guess it's "see ya later..."

Posted by: Rick at November 7, 2012 6:42 PM

Typical leftard convoluted "logic" and propaganda. Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be bumpy, four-year ride.

Posted by: Jeff Bauer at November 7, 2012 6:42 PM

Don't you get it Robert?

If you aren't 'progressive you are the enemy"! A throw back Neanderthal by definition.

They can't stand that you actually have different values than them, and moreover you should be made to conform, via the power of the state, to their way of thinking.

They don't want change, they want you to pound sand.

It matters little that the Democrats were the ones supporting slavery and wearing white sheets little more than a century ago. Don't confuse them with historical facts, those are inconvenient.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief


1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Posted by: Hans at November 7, 2012 6:58 PM

Lev


to some of these bright lights, Hitler, head of the national socialist party, was a rite winger:-)))

Posted by: NME666 at November 7, 2012 6:59 PM

"I the latter case the "Doesn't seem like a coincidence..." tagline was added."

Of course not, polluting the historic record with snide political innuendo is the only mental exercise the zombie left get.

Makes no difference to deluded partians that the seceded southern states were mostly liberal democrat who wanted slavery or that the industrial north was less worried about the morality of slavery than the productivity advantage it gave their southern competition. Things like fact are lost on partisan zombies intent on smearing their political opponents.

Obama doesn't have to play the race card when he has white zombie leftards do it for him.

Zombies! Creepy, unthinking, repulsive, partisans. Pathetic really.

Posted by: Occam at November 7, 2012 7:00 PM

Then tell the bitch she should be pleased when they secede. She should even encourage them in it.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 7, 2012 7:09 PM

Robert,

Perhaps you should direct your acquaintances to the following electoral map:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/07/graphic-u-s-2012-election-results/

Long story short? If you go to the county level, the blue vote is very concentrated. Still it serves the purpose to show that even supposed "free" states have a lot of conservative sentiments in them.

It's too bad that the left don't back up their suppositions with actual evidence.

Posted by: Oxygentax at November 7, 2012 7:14 PM

Why does the world-wide Left think that it is an expert in American politics? Seriously, not one American in 100 thinks about Canadian politics, but every Canadian leftist follows American politics via CNN and leftist media more than they follow Canadian politics!

As the newest Damned Yankee here in the American south, let me make the following comparison of 1861 and the present day -- The stereotypes of both eras are as often wrong as they are right, and they depend on the location, and the "story" is more complicated than taught by liberals.

Posted by: geek49203 at November 7, 2012 7:26 PM

Robert, you unfeeling swine that you are, sir. This is a perfectly reasonable thing this nice understanding girl has done.

She and all liberals understand that the only way to make up for those mean people who did slavery is to become slaves themselves. Only when liberty is extinguished for EVERY American will the scales of Justice finally be balanced.

And then everything will be wonderful and everyone will get a pony. The end.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 7, 2012 7:47 PM

And a result of the demonization?

The Dumbocrats elect a FALSE "visible" minority, Fauxcahontas.

They voted in an absentee candidate, who has been in hospital for months with a "mental disorder", bipolar, Mr Jesse Jackson Jr!

And, they voted in this chap, and 8-time offender!

"Among the new group of state lawmakers to emerge from Election Day on Tuesday is Brian Banks, who has been convicted eight times for felonies involving bad checks and credit card fraud.

Banks, 35, was convicted eight times between 1998 and 2004 of writing bad checks and credit card fraud.

His slogan was “You can Bank on Banks.”

“It’s time to elect a leader, with experience and passion, who will fight for you,” he wrote on his website.

Banks’ website says he’s a lawyer and adjunct professor, though he doesn’t say where, and uses his law degree to provide “free legal assistance to indigent clients.” He’s said in published reports he changed his ways after his latest conviction eight years ago."

But, geez, those TP members are craaaaaaazeeeeee!

Posted by: DanBC at November 7, 2012 7:50 PM

I'm glad I'm 56 yrs old.

I'll be dead by the time the USA degenerates into a "has-been" super-power.

You youngsters can have this - good luck to you.

Posted by: Johnny at November 7, 2012 7:53 PM

The South should reform the Confederacy to preserve freedom and Christian Civilization.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at November 7, 2012 7:58 PM

Polititical?

Yeah that's it....

Posted by: OMMAG at November 7, 2012 8:00 PM

Occam - exactly right; the civil war wasn't about freeing the slaves but about the economic power that slavery gave to the economy of the south. The north didn't like this competition with its own industrial economy.

After all, it is the modern Democratic party which has effectively re-enslaved black people by its destruction of their family unit and its focus on making them totally dependent on government funding. In return, as slaves of the Democratic Party, black people are 'loyal' to their masters.

As for that woman's statement:

"It was not just 'fiscal responsibility' that Mitt Romney represents, it is also limits on human rights. Taking away large portions of a woman's ability to make decisions about her own body, LGBT rights, healthcare and education if you come from a less than privileged background, and much more beyond that."

It's rubbish. First, she hasn't a clue or any interest in 'fiscal responsibility'. Second, what human rights? The only ones that I accept as viable are: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There are no other 'fundamental human rights'.

How were Romney's policies about denying women the right to 'make decisions about her own body'? If she's talking about abortion, then, the fact is, it's both her body and the embryo's body. And furthermore, his policies don't deny abortions.
Or birth control; they just assert that the individual, not someone else (another taxpayer) pay the costs.

I don't know what LGBT rights are. Nor what Romney's policies are about.

What about healthcare and education? What 'human rights' are involved? Is the taxpayer supposed to fund, not only their own care and education, but those of everyone else?

What I see as a problem is that government has moved far, far beyond its righteous role, which ought to be confined to the economy, defense, foreign relations, and basic infrastructures of communication etc.

Government should not get involved in social issues. These issues are always open to debate and belong to the people - at the local or state level. They are not the domain of the federal government.

Yet what has occurred is that the Democratic Party has moved out of the economy, locating itself economically only as a tax-and-spend, or redistributive economy and has focused primarily on dividing the electorate into Special Interest Groups and bribing these groups with taxpayer money into being devoted voters.

I think the GOP should neither be socially conservative nor liberal. It should say that these issues - such as abortion, gay marriage, education etc, are not federal issues but are issues that belong to the people, at the state level. The federal government makes no decisions about these issues. It hands over money to the States for social issues - but the State decides what it wants to use this money for. Whether it's abortions or gay marriage or whatever, it's a local decision.

Posted by: ET at November 7, 2012 8:02 PM

What I want to know, Robert, is why you have two words to spare for a miserable leftist---unless it's to ask where the fornication is the pint you ordered half an hour ago. They have the Law, the Prophets and the Gospels. Tell them they can listen to them, you're defriending them and not to contact you any more if all they want to do is talk rot about good Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irish Protestants who make an honest living, believe in God and refuse to lick the backside of Barack Hussein Obama. Then do it.

Acquaintances of my wife were threatening to refuse to speak to friends of theirs again if the friends dared vote against Obama. I hope they were serious.

Posted by: Dick Slater at November 7, 2012 8:05 PM

As Dennis Prager says, the Left ruins everything it touches. However, they are exceedingly good at one thing: demonizing the right. You can't reason with them; it's all emotion, bordering on a religion.

Until the country hits the financial wall, these people will not get it. Might as well do as the Captain, and "enjoy the decline".

Posted by: Norman at November 7, 2012 8:05 PM

Carter had 12 of those states in the 76 election.

Posted by: Catoclysmos at November 7, 2012 8:06 PM

Robert said: "...alienate my Left leaning friends & acquaintances, of which I have many."

I just noticed you said that. I think its important to note that you only have those relationships as long as they don't know you're a [gasp!] Conservative. Shutting yourself up is the only way those people will let you hang out with them.

Never could stand people like that myself. Probably why I'm a Conservative, better class of individuals to hang out with.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 7, 2012 8:19 PM

Hey just because I believe that marriage can be between two men or two women and is not a decision anyone else should be able to hold over them, is enough to get people here calling me a disgrace to the human race and to go back to rabble where I belong.

Meanwhile I hold most of the rest of the values on your list including the necessity of fiscal responsibility imperative.

Lots of demonization on all sides...

Posted by: langmann at November 7, 2012 8:33 PM

All that map tells me is that there are too many damn yankees in Fla. and Va.

Posted by: Roger U at November 7, 2012 8:35 PM

"As Dennis Prager says, the Left ruins everything it touches. However, they are exceedingly good at one thing: demonizing the right"

Really don't get it, huh, Norman?

I've heard so many quotes like this from oblivious Prager-listening Right-wingers...he must have some special spell to make you all think alike and be resistant to irony.

Look at your sentence again. Does not its internal contradiction freak you out a bit?

You're berating the 'Left' for supposedly ruining 'everything it touches' at the same time as you whine about how they 'demonize' you.

Do you see? Within the very same sentence you accuse them of what you're obviously very much in the habit of doing to them.

Do you know what a person is who expresses two completely opposite ideas in one sentence is?

Incoherent and insane.

That's why you and your pals will continue to lose every election.

Because you think a man who supported Bush/Cheney, who turned the world's largest surplus into the world's largest deficit is, is fiscally responsible.

Because you think a man who broke the Sept. 11 moratorium on political campaigning in order to rush forth with an attack on Obama while the bodies were still warm in Benghazi, an attack which was completely wrongheaded and mistaken in it foundations, and for which he never apologized -- you think a man like that is prudent and honourable and deserving of the world' highest office.

Because you think a man who lies when the facts are out there to easily refute his lies -- i.e. the Detroit bailout which he claimed credit for after he penned an op-ed that read 'Let Detroit Die' -- you think a man who pioneers a new, shameless, and boundlessly cynical form of lying is worth high office.

Because you think a man whose political strategy is to insult 47% of the country is deserving of high office.

In short: insane, incoherent, dishonest, shameless, and cynical.

Yup, good political strategy!

Congrats, Norm and cohorts. Enjoy the wilderness.

BTW 'lance' and Mensa Kate, is Chris Christie still your BFF? Ha, ha!

Posted by: joe conservative at November 7, 2012 8:35 PM

Robert, it is clear your Facebook "friend" is a retard. She likes not only an echo chamber but to show off how smart she thinks she is. If she can tell everyone how Romney planned on being some sort of tyrant or how the "enlightened" Obama is going to pay for his wacky promises, I should like to hear it. Hound her until she cries. She won't get any brighter but it will be emotionally satisfying for you.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at November 7, 2012 8:37 PM

Phantom, I have friends & acquaintances of all political stripes. I've learned with most of them though to not generally discuss politics. When I have made that mistake, I quickly learn that their "facts" are not actual facts but instead slanted opinions they've picked up on the MSM.

Earlier this week I suspected that the election might not turn out as I had hoped when a close female friend of mine in Metro Vancouver - who is a fiscal conservative and always votes Conservative federally - told me that she didn't like Romney much and really feared Paul Ryan. Whoah! Where did that come from? She later conceded that most of her U.S. News comes from CNN. :-(

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at November 7, 2012 8:45 PM

My boss told me this morning he was glad Romney lost he was scared of Romney because he likes watching Bill Maher and Bill Maher didn't say one nice word about Romney.

Posted by: Paul at November 7, 2012 8:57 PM

The day a liberal/democrat/progressive will stand up as vocally to Islam as they do to Christianity regarding gay rights and marriage, I might be interested in something they have to say. The day they accuse the black community of racism when they cheer for the black guy simply because he's black, I might pay a little more attention to their opinions. When they vote their own guy out of office when he's fiscally responsible, I might have a bit of respect for them. And if they send themselves on a flotilla towards China in protest of the occupation of Tibet, well then I would truly value their opinion. I might not agree with it all the time, but at least I would care to listen.

Posted by: pete at November 7, 2012 8:58 PM

I hope that Mitt Romney is able to find peace in the days ahead. Poor guy. It may take weeks of yachting through Caribbean archipelagos to find solace, plagued by that unanswerable question: "Why don't I connect with regular Americans? Why Mormon space god, why?!"

Posted by: M in the east at November 7, 2012 9:03 PM

Counter visual presentations with visual presentations. Here's a map of the 1920 election results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1920


Look how much closer the fit is....

Posted by: pete at November 7, 2012 9:09 PM

M in the east, how is that poverty going for you? It's going to get worse under the administration of a spoiled affluent son of a white Marxist and deadbeat dad.

Enjoy eating cat food.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at November 7, 2012 9:18 PM

Your acquaintances are ignorant of history and pin their political affiliation's dark past on the party that ended slavery to make themselves feel above reproach. Not surprising tho'—it's a tactic the left and socialists use all the time. They should explore Woodrow Wilson since he is who they resemble most.

Posted by: Sean at November 7, 2012 9:24 PM

One thing I learned a few years ago along the same lines of what Phantom said is that as it turns out many of my friends are conservative but didn't want to talk about it because they assumed I was a liberal. Now I don't care anymore. If you don't like me because I'm a conservative then you're not worth my time so piss off. The whole point of a democracy is that we have disagreements on the issues. If debate stops you've got tyranny.

Posted by: james at November 7, 2012 9:25 PM

eastern M - it's Obama who is psychologically unable to feel empathy. With anyone. He's a clinical narcissist and can only 'relate' to someone else if he feels he can control them.

As for wealth, Romney, unlike Obama, earned his wealth. He paid for his own homes, while Obama's homes were bought for him - and have you heard about the 35 million Hawaiian house for Obama? Paid for by others?

And Romney donates, unlike Obama, 30% to charity. What portion of your income do you donate?

By the way, the function of a president is not to call everyone 'you folks' and pretend to empathize, while holding the most expensive dinners ever at the WH, while spending most of his time golfing, while missing most of his Intelligence meetings...the function of a president is to work at developing policies and programs. Obama leaves that to others; he's on the golf course or on vacation in Martha's Vineyard the rest of the time.

Posted by: ET at November 7, 2012 9:36 PM

Paul- then your boss is a phu*king idiot...but you probably know that!

Posted by: snagglepuss at November 7, 2012 9:36 PM

"it does seem that certain values are entrenched".....well she ain't wrong, stupidity in Vancouver is endemic.

Posted by: Cascadian at November 7, 2012 9:41 PM

Jarrett told them,
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”

It will get very ugly. These people are Bolshiveks pure and simple.

Posted by: Shawn at November 7, 2012 9:47 PM

You know fiddle. You're quite the ass, you know that?

A 'hen-party'. Would you describe Kate like that?

No wonder the D's won last night. All they have to do is show-case the intolerant bigoted old attitudes like that. Voila, an extra M votes just switched.

The Right was behaving like jack-asses, the voters told them so. The only ones who justify the label of idiot are the ones who are missing the message.

Posted by: lance at November 7, 2012 10:01 PM

Better include Southern Ontario with the "South" there was a 1934/35 trial in the Hamilton jurisdiction because a Black (Negro) man and a White (caucasian) woman wanted to be married and this was illegal.Cheers;

Posted by: MikeSr at November 7, 2012 10:03 PM

I thought that Virginia was one of the key states in the CSA, but it seems to be missing from the Democratic blue states. Also Maryland and Delaware were slave states but not CSA members. Are these then the exceptions that prove the rule, or is the whole post an exercise in nonsense?

Posted by: Martin at November 7, 2012 10:24 PM

Robert said: "Phantom, I have friends & acquaintances of all political stripes. I've learned with most of them though to not generally discuss politics. When I have made that mistake, I quickly learn that their "facts" are not actual facts but instead slanted opinions they've picked up on the MSM."

Oh I heard THAT. I have to say Robert, I do what you do. These days when I'm out and about I talk about cars and the weather. I'm old enough now that I don't count those people as friends. Just people I know I can't trust as far as I can throw 'em by the ear.

Maybe my standards are too high, could be I guess. Have to say though that the number of unpleasant surprises I get these days is a lot lower than when I was a kid and treated EVERYBODY as friends.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 7, 2012 10:24 PM

When I asked my co-workers if they were up to date on the Benghazi info, I was warned "There's a lot of propaganda out there, y'know"
Their news source: CNN and CBC.

Posted by: bluetech at November 7, 2012 10:29 PM

Really? No one else finds this headline ironic, given that the majority here seem to think Obama's re-election will LITERALLY lead to civil war/dark ages/end of society as we know it?

Not that I would ever vote for Obama myself, but some people really need to learn a bit of self-awareness.

Posted by: Andrew at November 7, 2012 10:37 PM

"When I asked my co-workers if they were up to date on the Benghazi info, I was warned "There's a lot of propaganda out there, y'know"
Their news source: CNN and CBC." - Bluetech.

Yeah because Fox News with all of its pundits that were certain of a Romney victory, sure provides a good dose of reality.

Posted by: M in the east at November 7, 2012 10:55 PM

Let the ghetto whores celebrate "toil and trouble.."( I wouldn't force one way or the other..... but some stats):

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Nasty buisness:
If only some people would not make it a badge of HONOR, I'd stay quiet.....personal choice and all that.

Let's conveniently ignore.. the helpless/totally-innocent victim in this case......just for arguments sake. Lord come take us ALL!!

Posted by: eastern paul at November 7, 2012 11:13 PM

eastern m - your comparison is false.

Speculating on a future event, the possible winner of an election, can't be compared to discussing facts about an actual past event, the terrorist attack at Benghazi.

Posted by: ET at November 7, 2012 11:14 PM

Okay, M in the east, do red flags not shoot up when, for two weeks, the official narrative for a deadly attack on an American consulate is that it was the result of a video no one has seen and then that narrative changes? What about closed circuit camera footage or several cables sent before and during the attack? Sworn testimony perhaps? Does any of this sway you?

Probably not.

That says more about you than anyone who watches Fox news.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at November 7, 2012 11:17 PM

Its getting to the point where the only salvation of a nation in North America will be the result of a huge earth quake that will make the entire western part of the continent sink into the sea.

One can only hope.

Posted by: a different bob at November 7, 2012 11:38 PM

Andrew at November 7, 2012 10:37 PM

Read this carefully!

Jarrett told them,
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”

Posted by: sasquatch at November 8, 2012 12:29 AM

The bitterness and vitriol continues even as the election fades in the rear view mirror. Although I was one of those who was disappointed in the loss by Mitt Romney, I have little patience for this continued bitching and sniping and gloating and distorting by both sides.

Now that it's over, my greatest hope is that 4 years of on-the-job training is enough for President Obama to become a leader. That's the best and only thing I can and will say.

Posted by: David in Michigan at November 8, 2012 12:46 AM

Syphilis-Boy is back.

David, I don't think Obama wants to lead. That would mean he has a conscience, which I doubt.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at November 8, 2012 12:57 AM

I'm glad I'm 56 yrs old.

I'll be dead by the time the USA degenerates into a "has-been" super-power.

You youngsters can have this - good luck to you.
Posted by: Johnny at November 7, 2012 7:53 PM
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You must be planning on dying (relatively) young....I'm 70, in pretty good shape, and fear it will happen in my lifetime.

To quote Ernest Hemingway - "How did you go bankrupt? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly."

Posted by: Nemo2 at November 8, 2012 4:15 AM

One thing vexes me this morning. Obama won. The Democrats made gains in the Senate. The electorate was D+6 according to the exit polls.

So how did the Republicans hold the House? A D+6 wave should have swamped them, should have led to either a significant cut in their majority or even an outright loss. But the House barely changed.

Did Republican state legislatures gerrymander more safe Republican districts? Did voters engage in a lot more ticket-splitting than expected? Is American geography such that Republicans can now typically expect to over-perform in the House while under-performing in the Senate and White House? Or is there no sense at all to this?

Ideas?

Posted by: I.M. at November 8, 2012 8:50 AM

Kate's friend obviously suffers from bondage fantasies ... those who believe they are living under some imaginary oppression.

Unable to admit their failures are their own doing, they blame-shift to the more successful, casting them in the role of oppressor.

The politician then takes advantage of this fear-based phobia, portraying themselves as the champion of the downtrodden.

With their votes, the politician is able to create wealth for himself and his bureaucrats in the name of compassion while delivering free stuff to the ‘oppressed.'

Robin Hood took money from a thieving regime and distributed it back to those from whom it stole the money.

Today, the regime which portrays itself as the champion of the downtrodden is itself the champion thief whose parasitical actions make all but those involved with government poorer.

Of course, there should be a state which provided basic necessities for it citizens.

But in a democracy, once the majority figures out it can vote itself other people's money, the end of a free citizenry is inevitable.


Posted by: set you free at November 8, 2012 11:53 AM

One thing I forgot to mention about the Facebook discussion that was the genesis of this posting ...

A male friend of my female friend remarked that the strict focus on the economy of those who voted for Romney "was a red herring".

Take a moment to fathom what this fellow is saying. Even with the HUGE debt of the United States, even though almost certain economic collapse awaits the country in just a few years if they don't get their fiscal house in order, all of that is a "red herring" (unimportant) compared to the social issues such as free contraceptives for women and gay marriage.

That coming from an "educated" Canadian. :-(

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at November 8, 2012 2:28 PM

--If you don't believe in the government getting involved in more & more private sector industries then "you are unenlightened and don't have a vision for the future"

--If you think there might be something wrong with aborting a perfectly healthy baby in the 2nd or 3rd trimester then "you are interfering with a woman making decisions about her own body" and "are waging a war against women"

So, it seems the government can only get involved in the personal life of an individual or business when the so-called conservatives approve.

Posted by: Mike at November 8, 2012 7:47 PM

Still, those graphics are pretty telling.

It's not an indicator that people in those areas believe in slavery... well, most of them anyway, but it is an indicator that they're a bit stunted. Luckily, they get dragged along into a more prosperous and just future by the progressives, regardless.

After 150 years they now accept that Blacks are people too, BUT far too many of them still think the planet was created 6000 years ago by an old white dude who hates the gays, gun control and Mooslims.

Posted by: John at November 8, 2012 11:22 PM

And dude...

"I have MANY American friends who voted for Mitt Romney for one reason & one reason only: Fiscal Responsibility."

They voted for a REPUBLICAN to champion fiscal responsibility? You mean the Republican party that drove that country over the cliff in in 2008? And then in 2011 were prepared to allow the US to default on the debt, and thereby risk creating the worst economic disaster in history?

Your friends are either pretty effing stupid or they completely lack functional memories if that's why they voted Republican.

Posted by: John at November 8, 2012 11:36 PM

Wow. The part of the country that today believes in authoritarian collectivism also didn't believe in 1860 that people had the right to renounce a government they didn't want.

How is that a surprise?

Posted by: John_Galt at November 10, 2012 11:15 AM
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