Link's not there Kate...

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2012/08/20120812-144335.html

Thanks, fixed now.

My company does not do business in Quebec due to the language laws AND corruption. Company policy.

Agreed. Yesterday wasn't soon enough.

"My company does not do business in Quebec due to the language laws AND corruption. Company policy."

Unwritten company policy, no doubt.

The sad thing about Quebec is that it's in the interest of the PQ to have the Anglos mad at them - be they in or out of the province.

What a truly sad dynamic.

The only thing we can do, since bilingualism is entrenched in the Constitution (by Trudeau's Charter), is speak out, write about it, comment on it.

Quebec, on the other hand, is strangling itself, since English is the language of commerce around the world. It is thus disabling its population's ability to work anywhere but in Quebec.

BUT, and we have to really shout this out, BUT...Quebec isn't affected by its lack of economic growth. It relies on Canada and Canadian taxpayers, whom it loathes, to hand over billions each year.

The federal government takes in from Quebec, according to the 2009 records from Stats Can, 39.6 billion in tax revenues (income, corporate, sales etc). However, it dispenses over 53 billion to Quebec, made up of the 'equalization' of 8 billion, plus funding for universities, roads, unemployment, health care, and so on. That's an almost 14 billion shortfall, all given to Quebec courtesy of the hapless, hated, loathed, Canadian taxpayer.

And, in addition, the Quebec educated class is heavily employed in federally funded institutions. These are not merely the universities, funded by the federal government - and there are 23 in Quebec and only 17 in Ontario despite Ontario having double the population.

But there is also the massive federal bureaucracy in Montreal and Hull, all staffed by, ah, 'bilingual' Quebecers (try talking to one on the phone). And the head offices of various banks and other institutions located in Montreal, all enticed there by special tax and other rates. To employ Quebecers.

What does this same Canadian taxpayer get in return? Hatred and contempt and demands for yet more and more and...

If the people of Quebec vote for the PQ led by a dunderhead with racist policies other provinces in this country dare not adopt. We can say let them get the hell out and fly on their own, sadly they have no notion of doing so, their blackmail works, this Conservative government is still sucking up and pandering to their whining.

Why are we wasting our time and effort on these Quebec ingrates? For god's sake let them all go to hell and let the ROC get on with our lives.

Oh, and if I have happened to hurt any Quebecois feelings............. tough tittie.

ET

Yeah..."bilingual" in practice, means fluency in french (their version).

I am fluent in "Provencial" (south of France), the working language of the Legion...but that doesn't make the "bilingualism" grade for Quebec or Federal service.

"Vive le Quebec Libre" would make a good tag line instead of "Go, Already" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vive_le_Qu%C3%A9bec_libre

Liz J - you utterly ignore that it isn't the Conservative government 'pandering' to Quebec.

It's IN THE Constitution!!! Bilingualism is in the Constitution, so, the federal government must provide its services in French, and the only people readily bilingual are those who have heard both languages from birth, daily: in the Montreal and Ottawa corridor. This has set up a closed elite mandarin class, filled with all its relatives, who function as the federal bureaucracy.

Equalization is in the Constitution, and therefore, Quebec gets its 8 billion, twice that of any other province.

And the federal govt, equally, is obliged to fund public universities, to fund roads and other major investments (rivers, bridges, dams); obliged to fund unemployment and other benefits. And so on.

It has nothing to do with the will of the Conservative government; it's either in the Constitution or it's a federal law applicable to all provinces. The govt couldn't reject funding roads in Quebec if it funds them in other provinces.

That's why Quebec 'has it made'. It's a kept society and there is little Canada can do about it. Other than do as we do now, more and more. Openly complain and talk about it. Openly confront Quebec with its one-sided unprincipled greed. Openly confront Quebec with its amoral hatred of Canadians and its insistence on constant handouts from those same Canadians.

There is no such thing as "the rest of Canada" (ROC). This is a figment of our imagination (and that includes Québec nationalistes). There is only the Canada we have now, for better or worse.

We are all far too dismissive about the unintended consequences of the ruptures to Canadian political, territorial and economic contiguity that the loss of Québec would cause.

ribit ribit

Well thank God, Angela Merkel is coming to Canada to chat up PM Stephen Harper.

Maybe we can all start speaking German...

It appears Marois is getting all excited with the old 'divide and conquer' mentality.

"Tout soldat a dans son sac son batôn de maréchal."

"Every soldier has a marshall's baton in his bag."

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

In Matt Gurney's column today in the National Post he opines how the PQ picking a fight with the Government of Canada is a win-win situation for them. While that may be true in Quebec, it is certainly not true in the ROC. In fact, there is nothing that would ensure the re-election of the Harper Conservatives faster than them telling Ms. Marois and her gang of extortionists to get stuffed.

ET, PQ is the tail the wags the Canadian political dog, always has been, and will be until we the people demand a change of order.

The time is coming. The current government in the province of Ontario is spending the province into the grave. In the long run, this will result in a population, and a power shift to the west. Ontario's power and relevance is dwindling and will continue to.

The joyride for PQ will not last forever. PQ does not even serve as a useful market for the west. Supply lines make more sense running north-south than east-west. I foresee escalating polarization - economically, and politically.

I believe, given time, Ontario will collapse, and leave PQ isolated, funded by a more and more consolidated west. I cannot see the west that emerges tolerating the unlimited funding of a distant, petulant, and increasingly foreign population from which it gains nothing in exchange.

Some here have opined that there will be dire consequences should PQ rupture from Canada. Perhaps so, but those are of a traumatic nature, not a bleeding from a thousand small cuts. I would rather face the trauma, respond, get it over with, and free myself from the bleating, the chiseling and complaining I have heard from PQ for my entire life.

I am fatigued with PQ - on the scale of what is taking place in the world today, it is a tempest in a small bowl of poutine.

Go, already. I have things to do.

I find it funny when people call Quebec unilingual.

Quebec may be unilingual on paper but anybody who lives in know that the reality on the ground is completely different.

As a matter of fact, the french language is threatened in Montreal.

I think anglophones have it too easy in Quebec. Most of them segregate themselves into anglophone institution and have very few contacts with francophone. They are arrogant, believe in their superiority always.

JJM - there is most certainly a ROC if you are a Quebecois. Or should I say more accurately, the real situation is that there is: Quebec. And Canada.

To a quebecois, the two are separate. There is no merger. There is not even a federalism which implies collaboration and collegiality. Instead, most quebecers feel that Quebec is entrapped by and within Canada. The majority of quebecois believe, firmly, that they pay more into the Canadian federation than they get out of it. You can show them the data tables, show them the statistics, and fiction trumps facts for them. They refuse to believe it.

Therefore, the presumed logical desire of the separatistes is to separate and thus, with all this money, supposedly looted and taken by 'Canada', they consider that Quebec would explode in economic and intellectual might and strength.

They are assisted in living within this fictional world precisely because they are embedded and cocooned within the economic and social institutions of Canada. This preserves them from having to rely, even for a minute, on themselves for fiscal, economic and infrastructural stability. And, because of constitutional bilingualism, they are assured of employment and power in the affairs of government.

$8 billion a year in savings? I'm good with that.

quebecois - what fictional world do you live in? The reality in Quebec is that it is unilingual; the only place that has any semblance of bilingualism is downtown Montreal and a smattering of the population in the Estrie. Period.

Quebec's language law is not 'on paper'; its language police do not roam around handing out fines and taking people to court 'on paper'. Companies are obliged to speak only French in the workplace and this isn't 'on paper'.

As for arrogance and superiority, heh, that describes the average quebecois who, like you, denies the reality of language laws, and denies the constant denigration of anglophones and Canada by Quebec (see Marois's latest statements).

And denies the enormous sums of money coming from the Canadian taxpayer and considers that such a bounty is 'the right' of Quebec. How's that for amoral and unprincipled greed? By what rights does Quebec insist on receiving over 14 billion a year, above and beyond what it contributes to the tax revenue? Well?

Bouchard tried repeatedly to 'wake up' Quebec to its 'economic sloth' and its focus only on anglophone hostility, but, he met up with people like you, who refuse to think and are locked into a tenaciously held a priori set of bizarre opinions.

Open season on religious belief too.

Thou shalt be secular.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebecvotes2012/story/2012/08/14/quebec-votes-caq-tax-credit-pq-liberals.html

ET:

A little bit of denial of our money may give the guys like our favourite seperatiste a different viewpoint.

I really like the Quebec guys who come to work out west. At least they're working for their money.

Let's give Legault a chance (not that we're voting, anyway).

We have a great nation rising, according to PMSH, who is unimpeachable, IMO.

Time for my mother to sell her house.

BTW QNDPS...nicely said...*snork*

I was in Beaupre (pardon the missing acute, svp) last summer and toured the Sept Chutes hydroelectric operation nearby. At the dam display, the two warning signs were interesting; the french one was clear and concise as to hazards in the area while the english one was so poorly phrased that it could be a legal issue if an injury ever happened. I informed Quebec Hydro and they said they did not control that display but would inform the operators. At least the lettering was the same size.

It’s bad enough that we’re trapped into Constitutionally” having to prop up tribal and cultural nationalism in Quebec. We are now going to end up subsidizing more economic nationalism with Charest (terrified of the separatists) putting up a Billion dollars to fend off the Lowe’s offer for Rona Depot….hardly a “strategic” asset.

“there’s no logic in propping up a chronically underperforming company in the name of cultural sovereignty, as if a U.S. company taking over Rona would deprive Quebecers of the nails and hammers they need to build homes.” –The FP

The reality of what is going on here is a North American economy bumping up against the Quebec cocoon that will last only as long as the external propping up does; analogous to the tribal Islamists only lasting as long as we fund their “unethical oil”.

“My Canada would happily NOT INCLUDE Quebec!”

This pattern is repeating itself everywhere, it seems: the unproductive elements in the nations of the West are parasitic on the rest of us. Are they grateful for the largesse provided by the hard workers and high taxpayers? Not on your life. In fact, they think that we minions owe them exactly what they get.

In Canada, Trudeau’s Charter (which gutted the British/Christian heritage of this country) guaranteed that our children would be indoctrinated with how entitled they are and about all their rights. So now, of course, when the left-wing educational establishment finds our schools full of bullies and barbarians, they’re trying, as a friend of mine once opined “to put cosmetics on a corpse”. Spoiled brats don’t decide to behave decently just because someone tells them to: as long as there’s no cultural foundation for altruistic behaviour, and when the brats know that there will be no consequences for their arrogance and that they’ll continue to be pandered to and bailed out, the fix is in.

It’s interesting: it seems that all the countries of the West, no matter what their constitutions or legal precedents, have arrived at the same, dangerous pass: full of entitled bullies who expect something for nothing—or else. What would the common denominator be, from Scandinavia to the USA, to explain such a mass exodus from reality and responsibility? Hmmm . . . I think it would be turning our backs on our Judeo-Christian culture: one doesn’t have to actually be a Christian to honour the virtues of the Ten Commandments and “Love thy neighbour as thyself”. Of course, the folks in Quebec, like the French before them, turned their backs on the Christian faith with a vengeance. (No surprise that Quebec has the highest incidence of social dysfunction in the country.) Trying to “go it on our own”, with each one of us our own, little god, hasn’t worked out too well. And putting Humpty together again now is quite likely to be as unsuccessful as the first try.

set you free, the quebecois who go out west are genuinely Canadian. Of Quebec background. Just as others are Canadian of, eg, Sask or Alb background. And with further family heritage behind those provincial connections such as German, Ukrainian, Asian and so on. And futher variables such as religion and language.

I'm not talking about those people from Quebec who engage with others in Canada, but about those who reject any interaction with 'anglophones' whatsoever.

The real distinction for these people is linguistic; you are either francophone or not. Period. They will, academically, collaborate with other francophones in other nations, but rarely, with non-francophones. Rarely.

But this is not the case with others; for example, it's very frequent to see teams of researchers from any European nation but France teamed up with other Europeans, with Asians, with Americans. All working on the same project.

It's the isolationism that is so stunning and the insistence, despite this rejection, of being funded by the despised 'anglophones'.

David Southam, I share your admiration of Harper. A great man.

Quebecois NDP separatiste:

Downtown Montreal is mostly English because that is where most of the real business in Quebec is done.

International markets work mostly in English. I work in the software industry in Montreal and 95% of our customers are in the U.S. They don't speak French - in fact, being forced to listen to our French-first voice messages really irritates them and it is stupid.

I work in about 20 computer languages and guess what? They are all coded in English.

I don't know what cave you live in in the Laurentians, but here in the real world, most successful companies will do their business in Ensligh. This excludes the parisitic Quebec goverenment, of course.

I am already researching where I will move if the PQ gets elected. I will not be happy to have to give up one of the best jobs I have had, but I will not give one penny of tax money to a PQ government.

International markets work mostly in English. I work in the software industry in Montreal and 95% of our customers are in the U.S. They don't speak French - in fact, being forced to listen to our French-first voice messages really irritates them and it is stupid.
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This is exactly the kind of comment that make anglophone so arrogant. They assume that because the customers are anglophones then the business must function entirely in English.

Sony might sell millions of PS3 in the USA that doesn't prevent if you work for Sony in Japan I can guarantee you that the language of work is Japanese.

Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at August 14, 2012 3:25 PM

Post in French please.

Oh for pete sake... just go. No more drama nor more threats no more bribes...

quebecois, I know that you are merely a morass of molecules and as such, have no brain and are unable to think, but couldn't you try?

English is the international language. Got that? It's got nothing to do with any nation, nothing to do with 'anglophone arrogance' but with the FACT that the global economic and political realm requires, and I repeat, requires, a common international language. Centuries ago, it was Latin. Now, it is English. That's just the way it is. Get over it.

Therefore, if you are interacting with somone from Germany or Denmark or China, then, the common language is English. Got that?

As for your working-in-Japan example, that's false. The Japanese people quite readily work, amongst themselves, in Japanese. It's the International Interactions that are in English. Try, try, even though you admit you have no mind, to understand.

The difference is, that in Quebec, the government intrudes on your right to speak and use your own language. In a company of over 50 people, the Quebec government won't allow the people to, for example, speak English. Or Korean. Or Chinese. Nope; they must speak French. Or else. That's called totalitarianism.

Quebec deliberately inhibits and makes it difficult for Quebecers to learn English; that means it's hard for them to collaborate and work with other peoples in the world. How's that for economic progress?

Hydro Quebec is one of those Quebec business that function mostly in french and it doesn't prevent the sales of millions of $ of electricity to the USA.

The insistence of many software companies in Montreal to insist in an english-only language of work (no diversity) is pure narrow-mindless.

I still say what we needed to do a long time ago was declare open season on the traitors and communists in the PQ.

Oh, I agree, Kate. The sooner the pequistes join Trudeau, Levesque, Abbe Groulx and Judas Iscariot, the better. What I still can't believe is that any loyal subject of the Queen of Canada would let them take one square inch of Lower Canada with them.

If the little cowards want their miserable republic that badly, let them fight for it on the battlefield, if they dare. I don't doubt any number of young strong Albertans and Ontarians will be more than happy to enlist just for the privilege of teaching some Montreal fairy what a man looks like, and how a man deals with traitors.

Lets just part . Time-to allow Quebec to exit. Canada would be much richer , not only in monetary terms , but as a Nation . Quebec is the strange uncle, no one wants around anyway. Let them see if they can survive as a Nation in a sea of English without laws outside their own wee village.
The ROC is sick of the shenanigans. The cost, the arrogance.The nonsense that goes with this soft bigotry. Alberta is sick of paying fools to people who figure money comes free because they are some type of super Nationality. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.

Quebecios, that's nice about the Hydro. Enjoy it. Too bad about the software companies. Maybe the narrow-minded pests will leave you in peace once PQ separates, and you can joyfully create new unilingual software companies ad infinitum. That's what you want: separation, correct? It's what I want as well. So we are agreed. Go. Bon voyage.

"JJM - there is most certainly a ROC if you are a Quebecois. Or should I say more accurately, the real situation is that there is: Quebec. And Canada."

There is certainly a belief in an ROC, but that too is a figment of their nationalist imagination, based on a "two nations" model that has long passed.

Anyway, I'm done. I see the loathsome "Dick Slater" and the clueless "Quebecois NDP separatiste" have shown up.

Whenever the wingnuts and moonbats on each side of this deathless argument pop up, it's a good sign that it's time to move on.

ET: Quebecois people are far far more bilingual than Japanese people. Did you know that?

I say, lift off, and nuke Quebec from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. /

Ever seen a map of Quebec overlain with the territory included in the James Bay And Northern Quebec Agreement settlement. Doesn't look good for Quebec if they separate from Canada. These Cree and Inuit will definitely not want to be part of Quebec. They know where the gravy train resides and it is not located in Quebec City. This would have devastating consequences for Quebec as all their Hydro Power is located in these areas, as well as most of their potential mineral wealth.

Canada can not kick Quebec out of Confederation, but Quebec can kick Canada out. I think our best chance of getting rid of these arrogant french leeches is to support Marois and her valiant effort to go it alone. You go girl. Where do I send a contribution to help this noble cause ? QNS must have the adress in his favorites.

Also nuke whatever city Quebecois NDP separatiste calls home. Its the only way to be sure.

From orbit, Mark.

Although I'd settle for a federal tax cut so huge it makes the transfer to Quebec dwindle to a buck fifty.

The great tragedy for the québécois - the separatist included - is that by refusing people the freedom to conduct their affairs in the language of their choosing they are essentially signing the death certificate for their culture. No one reading this has distant ancestors who could. Language is always in flux including the ones we choose to use. The quebecois nation is already a stunted entity that grows smaller and less productive by the day, all in the gain attempt to chain their identity to a language it that is dying worldwide. Legislating language use only accelerates the demise of that nation.

And re my comment above, I speak as someone who is also a member of a dying nation: Newfoundland.

To there and you will see nothing but nostalgia for things that happened before 1949. Nothing of quality has come from that nation since. Stubbornly clinging Language is not the cause of our demise bit rather stubbornly clinging to a make-work - jobs over profits attitude that has led us down a socialist, entitlement mineshaft that has driven out all of the talent and energy to other juristictions.

Quebecois NPD Separatiste, 5:28p.m. --

I think it's great that Quebec is more bilingual than Japan -- but that's your choice, not ours. After all, on parle francais de temps en temps ici, et, aussi, quelque temps, nous parlerons l'anglais et le francais -- dans la meme conversation! Quelle surprise! (I think that's about right; please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong, here or below).

Nobody really wants Quebec to leave Canada, IMO, but those of us who are linguistically challenged do find the complaining a bit tedious from time to time -- particularly after Bill 101, le Chatre de la langue francaise, which, if I'm not mistaken, some members of the PQ said, "if we can do this within Canada, why do we need to separate?"

So rather than vote NDP/NPD as a sort of half way point (nothing is more toxic in Anglophone-ville than Quebec voting NDP, by the way), why not come on board with us to build a great and prosperous country -- with all the attendant responsibilities and benefits that flow from that?

How about knocking off the bashing of English for a provincial election or two -- even before the 1980 Referendum, Quebec had implicitly accepted the existing arrangements -- and give M. Legault a chance?

Gosh, quebecois, what an irrelevant opinion.

I've worked with a lot of Japanese people - in Japan - and they are quite fluent in English. But that's not the issue. It isn't the use of English at home, but the ability to use English as the international language. That is the issue.

This is NOT the case in Quebec and there is no comparison. Quebec, unlike Japan, is surrounded by an English speaking economy and yet, refuses to enable its population to become bilingual. It insists on unilingualism. No diversity.

What Quebec is doing is disabling the ability of its population to work, to collaborate, with others in the global world.

Oh, and Quebecois, don't play dumb games. The fact that Hydro Quebec uses French on the field is irrelevant. It most certainly does NOT use French when it is dealing with sales to the US. And I'm quite sure that its written contracts to the US are not in French.

You cannot defend the indefensible.

Dick Slater, don't be juvenile.

I like the part about immigrants who do not speak english will not be allowed to go to an english school. There is a name for that type of think.

Should be thinking.

The upside to all this is Quebec is going to destroy the ndp.

Isn't English tha language of flight control? Odd that.

Quebeckie, Japan doesn't have two official languages; it has one. Even they recognise that English is the language of commerce, not French.

If Quebec wants to die a slow economic and demographic death, au revoir.

I don't suppose the closure of the GM plant in Quebec had anything to do with forcing American executives to send their kids to school in French. Fascist pigs.

Montreal bilingual? Montreal was English. My father who spent a year there 70 years ago was pretty sure it was an English only city. And I'm pretty damn sure he never ran into a bunch of them in the army during a war.

Osumashi: Bullshit... if there is a country that is going toward economic and demographic death it is Japan. A country now in population decline where about 25% of 65 yr old +. A country that doesn't accept immigrants at all. A place where people have no babies anymore because all they do is jerk off to some weird porn.

Most Japanese companies are going to hell. Sony used to be like Apple in the 80s. Now it is nothing.

I believe there is a saying, "The last gasp of a culture is when it has to be legislated."

Sony is one of dozens, perhaps hundreds of Japanese companies that are hugely successful in many languages (mkt cap 12 billion is not "nothing") including Toyota mitsubishi canon komastu and on and on.

Seems that the separatist has Reached a hysterical point.

How does one say 'tabernac' in Ainu ?

Quebeckie, Japan and Quebec are in the same demographic boat but at least the Japanese aren't jackholes about the English language, English-speaking visitors and legal residents whose English language abilities are highly prized.

I would like PMSH to let the people of Quebec know that the best way to alienate TROC is to elect the separatists. Things will go downhill from there and Quebec may very well leave Canada along with all Canada is giving to that province.

On second thought - I hope he doesn't tell them that. Just let them be.

Guys, this is nothing more than a charade. All she is doing is spewing out this rhetoric just to get the rest of the country (and people like us) mad at her. That way she can turn around to her own province and complain about how the rest of Canada hates the Quebecois and that's why they should separate.

Personally, I really don't think any of us truly hate Quebec. What we hate is this political crap going on in front of us, mooching off the West and then crying that it's "us against the country". If they had a decent government in there that would right the ship, eliminate the deficit, get rid of corruption and get their economy going I guarantee there would be a lot less ill will toward that province from the rest of Canada. Time will tell what will happen next.

I really don't believe that the majority of Quebecers want to separate. If they did, they would have had an arab spring a long time ago. This is all political posturing, all of it. And the only losers are the people of Quebec and the rest of Canada. Sad, really.

The english and french have been the most bitter enemies since the birth of both countries. I read that the reason the British and French had nuclear weapons was because the other did, not the USSR. The people who thought that it was a good idea to put them both in the same country must have been on some good drugs and laughing their as@#es off.

Re Japan - Japan is not in a death spiral, but Europe is. Japan does have a very old population and hardly any children, and their population will fall drastically, but since they don`t think replacing themselves with aliens is the solution to the problem 100 years from now Japan will still be Japan. It might be a lot smaller, but it will still be Japan. Europe on the other hand will have been relegated to the dust bin of history and it will become part of the caliphate.

Quebec separatiste:

You are representative of the pseudo-intellectuals who are at the forefront of the separatist movement.

I know, because I was born and raised in Quebec. And I was part of the exodus of several hundred thousand of your most productive citizens as a result of separatist policies. You lost people, head offices, jobs, incomes and tax revenues.

But of course that never mattered to people like you, being fixated on "pure laine" policies, which also means that you treat anglos and immigrants equally...in other words...like sh!t.

But mundane issues such as economics have never been an issue to "intellectuals" like you. You and your ilk have demonstrated that you are more than prepared to sewer your own economy to achieve the egalatarian paradise that you envisage.

But guess what. It is different now. You want to leave? Ok..don't let the door hit you on the ass as you depart. We are all fed up with your constant whining for charity from us. Leave, and transform yourselves into a failed-state economy. Fact is, we don't care anymore.

Just go away.

The threat of separatism is never ending! Just go, already!! Channeling Ceech and Chong "I'm sick up and fed with the BS.

Get out of the way!. Just think of the time and distance we'll save going to the Maritimes and Nfld! It's a long G.D. trip from out here! ;>)

Why do you even engage this asshole, NDPQ?- he's a TROLL!
He'll say anything and everything to incite a reaction, and go from there. That's what he wants! He's not interested in debate, it's a game for him, and you're giving him free throws!

"This violates freedom of speech. And freedom of association. And economic freedom. And property rights."
Ezra has lost it.We have none of the above in Canada.
south side.You are wrong.Some of us really do hate the surrender monkeys.And some of us hate the Brits even more for allowing the pricks back into Canada after we kicked them out.Hell.Even the frogs in Fwwaannccee don't want their half breed spawn back.It's to bad we don't have a gubermint with the balls to shred the criminal charter,and send the quislings of queerbec packing.I hear Ellsmere Island is nice in January.You want to meet a friendly Frenchman? Try the Cajuns in Louisianna,who happen to speak purer French than the dogs in queerbec.

I am not going to answer all the vitriol directed at me here.

But let me say one thing: Freedom of speech is not absolute. Nothing is absolute in life. It is totally acceptable to restraint Freedom of speech sometimes.

Protecting french in Quebec is a very good reason to restraint Freedom of Speech. I think the Inuit should do the same with Inuit in Nunavut.

I know it is too complicated for some people to understand but banning English (to some degree) actually help language diversity because it prevent English from taking all the space.

Even tho I write in English on this blog, I regularly pretend I don't speak English in order to force other people to make an effort to speak french. (otherwise they won't)

If you don't like Quebec.. leave. You won't be missed believe me.

NDPiste. The fool that proves the rule.

Indeed, Jamie MacMaster.

"It is totally acceptable to restraint Freedom of speech sometimes."

Hitler and Stalin agreed.

Freedom of speech is a fundamental part of liberty which is an inalienable right. Impinging on ones right to free speech runs along the same vein of rights deprivation as slavery.

And just as the slaves fled north from slavery so have non-French speakers and businesses fled Quebec. And just as the south became a stunted cousin to that of the north, so too has Quebec become a stunted economic and cultural backwater due to its language pogrom.

"Nobody really wants Quebec to leave Canada"
~David Southam

Read my lips, "I really want Quebec to leave Canada."
It would be the end of multiculturalism as we know and hate it.
We would finally be able to have a proper debate about immigration too.

Problem is, it ain't going to happen.
KeeBakers are a clutch of whores and they'll vote their wallets as they've always done, which means the PQ will get even less than the 21% vote they got last election.
Say la-Vee.
(excuse my French, heh)

We can all help Quebec leave by sending letters of support to Pauline Marois. She is our greatest hope for a independent Quebec and freedom from this third class language, not to mention the 2.45 billion a year bilingualism costs. Vive le Quebec libre.

Hopefully the referendum ballots are available country wide... to make sure the PQ wins.

quebecois, you deserve all the criticism you receive and don't try to reject it by declaring you are a victim. Your support of Quebec's constant demands for more and more money from the ROC and its contempt for Canadians, means that you are an abuser of others. Not a victim.

No, freedom of speech is a fundamental right. Furthermore, language belongs to the people. Not to a government. Therefore, no government has the right to force people to speak any particular language and forbid them to speak another language.

Oh yay in the latest Quebec polls the National Socialists are leading over the Fabian Socialists. Let's not pick sides lets pray for an asteroid.

I think anglophones have it too easy in Quebec. Most of them segregate themselves into anglophone institution and have very few contacts with francophone. They are arrogant, believe in their superiority always.

We're not superior at waving white flags...

Many on here seem to think they have uncovered some massive coverup in the fact that federal contributions to Quebec exceed equalization by another $6 billion to total $14 billion.

I suggest you go back to the blackboard again and look at the economic incentives that benefit Quebec but no other province.
- revenue from Quebec Hydro sales to the USA are not included in equalization calculations
- the Canadian Space Agency was moved to Montreal and thousands of jobs created in support industry. Quiz people in the Space program to see how that is working for them.
- agricultural marketing boards: dairy production in Canada is dominated by Quebec where average herds are 1/4 of the size of western herds. Volumes of white milk far exceed Quebec provincial consumption and value added products like cheese etc are almost exclusive to Quebec.
- federal bureacracy is dominated by Quebecers and supply contracts to Quebec firms are not included in most equations.
- we won't even start on company HQ's such as Air Canada and CNR that are confined to Montreal

As I have said many times 'follow the money'. If the true story about how government money is spent not only in Quebec but also Ontario it would make most people on hear spin.

Many on here seem to think they have uncovered some massive coverup in the fact that federal contributions to Quebec exceed equalization by another $6 billion to total $14 billion.

I suggest you go back to the blackboard again and look at the economic incentives that benefit Quebec but no other province.
- revenue from Quebec Hydro sales to the USA are not included in equalization calculations
- the Canadian Space Agency was moved to Montreal and thousands of jobs created in support industry. Quiz people in the Space program to see how that is working for them.
- agricultural marketing boards: dairy production in Canada is dominated by Quebec where average herds are 1/4 of the size of western herds. Volumes of white milk far exceed Quebec provincial consumption and value added products like cheese etc are almost exclusive to Quebec.
- federal bureacracy is dominated by Quebecers and supply contracts to Quebec firms are not included in most equations.
- we won't even start on company HQ's such as Air Canada and CNR that are confined to Montreal

As I have said many times 'follow the money'. If the true story about how government money is spent not only in Quebec but also Ontario it would make most people on hear spin.

I think our best chance of getting rid of these arrogant french leeches is to support Marois and her valiant effort to go it alone. You go girl. Where do I send a contribution to help this noble cause ? QNS must have the adress in his favorites.
Posted by: peterj at August 14, 2012 6:06 PM

You have the ticket Peterj. I will 'help', if you get that address...listening to the PQ is like listening to the teachers union, why do that; just tell them to quit and everyone will be happier and better off.

DippyFrencher said: "Even tho I write in English on this blog, I regularly pretend I don't speak English in order to force other people to make an effort to speak french. (otherwise they won't)"

Yes, I know. Jerk friends of yours used to do the same thing to my sister when she went to McGill, waitresses favorite trick was to bring cigarets instead of beer when asked for "two Exports please" in perfectly accented French.

I don't even try to speak French in Montreal, myself. I could, but I don't. Because I know every doofus who pretends not to speak English in Montreal is lying. I just repeat myself in English. Sometimes I add "idiot" at the end of the sentence just to watch them turn all red.

By the way, sheer genius there lecturing somebody named Osumashi Kinyobe on the realities of Japan, not to mention bilingualism. You really are a rocket scientist.

Q NDP s: "Protecting french in Quebec is a very good reason to restraint Freedom of Speech."

Wrong. Government's job is to protect individual rights, not to protect languages. Quebec has the right to an official language, with French the obvious choice, but individuals have the right to communicate in whatever language they want. The province has no right to violate it, through Bill 101 or other legislation.

If you want to "protect" French, go ahead and speak it, and encourage others voluntarily to do it.

@ nv53 at August 18, 2012 12:22 AM
Well said. Speaking any second language is a bonus but there should be some logic behind it, and the financial drain in forcing all Federal agencies to be bilingual is illogical outside Quebec. The translation in record keeping alone is astronomical. The lack of respect in Quebec for the english speaking taxpayers paying to maintain their vanity trip is most irritating. 2.5 billion annually to pay for nothing but vanity can buy a lot of irritation.