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June 15, 2012

Free Ezra Levant!

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Posted by Kate at June 15, 2012 12:09 AM
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Anyone else unable to load the videos, both on the main page here and at the Sun News link?

Posted by: EBD at June 14, 2012 11:12 PM

No problem here, I watched both.

Posted by: bluetech at June 14, 2012 11:14 PM

Works okay for me here on firefox

Posted by: chris c at June 14, 2012 11:16 PM

Go Ezra! This is a worthy battle and you have a much larger reach now. You will win, again.

Posted by: Dana at June 14, 2012 11:17 PM

Same group that outlawed playing Dire Straits - Money for Nothing as contravening human rights clauses of the Broadcast Standards Code of Ethics.

Awfully thin skinned group methinks, and in no way representative of the average Canadian.

BTW if Ezra ever told me to f... my mother, I would be awfully pissed at him. But, I'd let it pass because his getting personal makes him look small on a big issue like he was addressing. His insult is a "mano a mano" thing, not the an assault on spanish speaking people/executives.

Posted by: rroe at June 14, 2012 11:38 PM

Go get 'em Ezra! I'm ready to put a few $$ where my mouth is again if you need it.

Posted by: ex-VanIslander at June 14, 2012 11:45 PM

Disagree rroe....Ezra told that jerk EXACTLY what he should have. And by the way, that is really a smoke screen for the "complaint" (which was filed by a wacko leftist goofball....what else is new). Don't try to make Chiquita dorks look like victims. And by the way....translating directly from Spanish to English doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does. Many word for word translations are not taken the way in both languages.

Posted by: Joey at June 14, 2012 11:46 PM

The SUNNEWS network should have a riot with this in court (and win a few million).

Go get 'Em EZRA

Posted by: FREE at June 14, 2012 11:54 PM

How in hell is Pravda exempt from these rulings? Bloody sickening!

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 14, 2012 11:58 PM

Sun News described the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council as "a kangaroo court manned by Sun News competitors", but I didn't realize the extent of it. The fact that the boss of a news organization -- Global TV -- who is planning a 24-hour news network to go up against Sun News sits on a panel of censors who think they can dictate the terms of discourse that WE want to see on Sun News is appalling - "sickening" isn't too strong a word.

The "royal We" of it all is nauseating: "…indulged in language that widely oversteps the limits of what is acceptable.."

Acceptable to who, jackass? Who, precisely, are you speaking for?

"Ezra unrepentantly concluded…"

So he didn't repent to you? He didn't express, to a bunch of would-be censors manned by Sun News's competitors and former competitors, his "sincere regret or remorse about his wrongdoing or sin"?

The CBSC is ridiculous. When they censured Lowell Green for an episode of his radio show, their ruling said, in part,

"Using terms like 'silly' and 'baloney', he denied to callers that which is potentially best in talk radio…"

Seriously. Saying "baloney" and "silly" is going way too far, it's too much for Canadian listeners's ears, but endless F-bombs, full-frontal nudity on the taxpayers' dime on the CBC, Bob Rae's "bullshit", etc. etc., meet the CBSC's "broadcast standards."

It's politics, folks, pure and simple -- revolting, sneaky, sanctimonious, power-mad, behind-the-scenes politics.

Down with the CBSC, and GO EZRA!

God love 'em.

Posted by: EBD at June 15, 2012 12:12 AM

If only Ezra would refrain from undermining himself and his network at every turn.

Posted by: LAS at June 15, 2012 12:22 AM

Gee, I wonder how many corporations have literally been told to eff-off/eff-them in documentaries aired on the CBC and Bold etc.?

And I'm sure they all ended in sanctions too.
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Posted by: andycanuck at June 15, 2012 12:36 AM

I guess I'm odd man out here. I don't approve of that kind of language from anyone. I think Ezra should apologize and move on.

Posted by: Rocky View Redneck at June 15, 2012 12:46 AM

Why, whatever do you mean, LAS?
He needs no counsel from you either!

About time we had 'talking heads' speaking for real people, not what the elites think the message must be!


'Undermining himself' could be more accurately described as 'kicking-the-shit-out-of wacko loony policies'!

Posted by: snagglepuss at June 15, 2012 12:49 AM

Fire them all. Is this China or Canada? I find it hard to tell sometimes.

Posted by: James at June 15, 2012 12:50 AM

Ezra's been the only person on TV telling it like it is and there seem to be a lot of moonbats who are offended by this. This incident indicates that the CBSC should be eliminated, or perhaps we could send the CBSC as a unit to N. Korea as their approach to censoring the news fits in with the N. Korean one.

When I last looked, there was no legislation under which moonbats were a protected species and I personally offend them at every opportunity.

Posted by: Loki at June 15, 2012 1:16 AM

CBC / CTV can drop F bombs on a regular basis, but Ezra is too rude. Saying all Israelis are valid targets for death and terror is OK, but pointing out Chiquita's background and sanctions against them (with a Spanish insult thrown in) is too much.

Sun News looks like they're declaring war on the broadcast standards council.... to quote from one of my favorite fantasy series "I don't think I've seen anyone try to storm the gates of hell before. Can I hold your coat?"

Sadly, most of the news and articles I read are about our southern neighbours. I don't know if there is an equivalent legislation to the anti-competitive practices code. Sun News should go after Global with all they have for trying to use the courts to dispose of a competitor.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 15, 2012 1:17 AM

whoops, forgot the "kangaroo" before "courts". That's OK, regular readers would know what it means, the usual trolls wouldn't expend enough thought on comments to notice.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 15, 2012 1:19 AM

'Undermining himself' could be more accurately described as 'kicking-the-shit-out-of wacko loony policies'!

Spazzing out on Chiqita-on the basis of inaccurate information-is not a winning strategy. If it were, Sun News-at least Ezra's segment-would have a lot more viewers.

Posted by: LAS at June 15, 2012 1:26 AM

Why is the Cry bitch and complian network exempt. Now I know why Globle news swings left.

Posted by: Ford Prefect at June 15, 2012 1:33 AM

What EBD said @ 12:12.

The MSM is bound and determined to shut up anyone in any way they can who does not conform to their Agitprop.

We quite watching the filth on CBC decades ago. Somehow that is acceptable to these people.

Go Ezra! And yes if you need some assistance to fight the commissars let us know.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at June 15, 2012 1:36 AM

@las for ever and ever.

By reading your comments I can tell you are no Richard Feynman.

Posted by: Ford Prefect at June 15, 2012 1:37 AM

Levant said the equivalent of calling someone a motherfukcer in English. That sort of personal attack language is inappropriate in the news media.

Posted by: north_of_60 at June 15, 2012 1:50 AM

That has to be one of Ezra's best monologues ever!

God bless Ezra for his courage.

Posted by: TJ at June 15, 2012 1:53 AM

The CBSC's attack on Ezra Levant brings to mind Admiral Yamamoto's quote after the attack on Pearl Harbour, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

May the SBSC live to regret this action as much as Japan did its precipitous action.

Posted by: Aviator at June 15, 2012 1:54 AM

Who says it is inappropriate? You?
Turn the channel, don't watch the video.
Rather, I say your attitude, your comments, your censorship is inappropriate.

Posted by: Jay at June 15, 2012 1:57 AM

Congrats to Reeb for showing up. He did defend himself ably. However, to say that the work that the Council performs is impartial and necessary is garbage. We have all seen the MSM at work all over the country, and they bring that offensive liberal bias with them wherever they go. The process is performed in secrecy, as Ezra rightly notes. There is no appeal. And to suggest such a thing is needed in the day and age along side an unregulated internet is silly argument for obsolescence.

GM

Posted by: Gary Marshall at June 15, 2012 2:13 AM

I say your attitude, your comments, your censorship is inappropriate.
Good for you.... let it out... Your personal feelings about other forum members is so very significant to the discussion.

Posted by: north_of_60 at June 15, 2012 2:19 AM

Also to say that the SNN can just leave the Council is just ridiculous. Complaints will then be handled by the CRTC, which for secrecy and adjudication of complaints, will impose far worse penalties on those that challenge its vague and tyrannical codes of fairness, obscenity, hate speech, etc.

I don't think the CRTC would revoke SNN's license, but they could impose some very harsh and costly conditions. I imagine SNN will choose to deal with the CBSC rather than deal with the dictatorial minded princesses at the CRTC. Harper is in power, but its always precarious.

GM

Posted by: Gary Marshall at June 15, 2012 2:34 AM

CBSA: Completely Barmy Speech Arses


Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Posted by: Hans at June 15, 2012 3:09 AM

We, the patrons and fans of Sun News and of Ezra Levant for his courageous defense of his and our freedom of speech, will dig around and we will find thousands of questionable 'quotes' from the stations of the censors.

Ezra, you made that weak kneed Agenda 21 propaganda puppet look like a fool. He is a fool to sell his right to freedom of speech for a few $$ and a perceived 'edge' for partying with the language thugs. Those thugs that have been subjugating our God Given Rights as citizens of Canada since Turdo created his monster: 'the charter of limits and limitations' to replace our real charter from Diefenbaker and our BNA Act. Turdo stated the 'F' 'U' thing by saying it out loud to PC's in the House of Commons and later to the media. Turdo also set an example by giving his patrons in Salmon Arm, B.C. an obscene gesture with his middle finger when the Centennial train he was aboard, in 1967, was met with a protest group of farmers. If the Shaw boy is asking Ezra to answer for his banana protest in Spanish he has to answer for his trailer park boys.

The Canadian Parliament and CP Rail must be made accountable and apologize for the Turdo abuses. Boob Ray was on CBC, Global and CBC denigrating the livestock of ranchers and farmers. Those stations must apologize.

Taking the Lords name in vain, as seen on CBC in that clip, is the only real crime, IMO. I never watch any of these channels except Sun Media (in videos, because we cannot get Sun TV in the Yukon) but I will now; and I will be monitoring, not looking for information.

Thank-you for defending our Freedom of Speech Ezra, I second what Ken (Kulak) and EBD said above since I would consider defending my Freedom of Speech a very high $$ priority.

Thanks Kate, for posting this video and the link to the follow up.

Posted by: Jema54 at June 15, 2012 3:41 AM

I'm Chiquita banana and I've come to say
Levant will be censored in a certain way
When he throws feck around in any language too
Ezra will be screwed and therefore so will you
They will screw him for his language
They will screw you for your views
If you really want to beat them
A good lawyer might defeat them
But, lawyers will take money to save our very very favorite agitator
So you should never say “chenga” when you’re a news moderator!

Posted by: ∞ ≠ ø at June 15, 2012 3:54 AM

What a smarmy, smooth-talking son of a bitch. Reeb's condescending manner to Ezra just oozed smarm and contempt. A**hole.

He never answered Ezra's question about how the CRTC would react if Sun Media pulled out of the CBSC, while insisting that if being regulated by the CBSC riled Ezra so much, then SunTV should and could just pull out as Much Music, apparently, did.

Of course, Much Music is on the left of the political spectrum and probably wouldn't be under much scrutiny.

Posted by: batb at June 15, 2012 7:16 AM

Well this is really easy to deal with, watch the talking heads out east, and EVERY time they mention "tar sands", redneck, dutch disease or anything that can be construed as derogatory complain to the censorship board. Make sure you point to this precedent setting case, 2 can play this game. Also be sure to share a copy of your complaint with the minister responsible.

Freedom of speech is far to important for this silliness.

Posted by: the bear at June 15, 2012 8:50 AM

What would your response be, emotionally and verbally, to a person calling on others to band together to destroy your livelihood?

That is what Chiqita did to all 34 million Canadians by calling for an embargo on Canadian products.

More than likely you'd have a few choice words for them.

Ezra's commentary was excellent. God Bless him. He's passionate about his beliefs, resolutely stands behind them, unlike the double minded, untrustworthy,conflict of interest, and cowardly double standard whiners who made the complaint and that goes double for the CBSA complicit bureaucrats .

Ezra is very good at what he does and they know it and are scared. They can't beat him in a debate so these underhanded cowards only recourse is to try to find a technicality to use as duct tape.

I say we call for a boycott of CTV,Global and all their sponsors. We can flood them with letters informing them we are boycotting all their programming and sponsors products and services for their underhanded and cowardly double standard behavior until they withdraw their complaint against Ezra and SunTV. Shaw might be worth going after too since that's the most vile complainants parent company.

We can also write our MP's and the PM to complain about CBSA's section 6. We need to fight back resolutely on this one.

Posted by: Luck Lori at June 15, 2012 9:10 AM

I'm an American, and really didn't know much about this issue. It is really interesting. Ezra Levant has recently become one of my favorites, and I wish him well. But this is issue is something special. I'll be watching. Good luck and fight the good fight.

By the way, I live in Los Angeles, and the phrase "chinga tu madre" is a pretty common insult around here.

Posted by: Golem at June 15, 2012 9:57 AM

It is truly telling to see how they try to shutup anyone who isn't preaching the leftist agenda.

One of my favorite bloggers says it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

Posted by: Texas at June 15, 2012 10:05 AM

I was a really kind of disappointed by this. Reeb acquitted himself pretty well, I thought, and Ezra didn't ever follow up on the "okay, so what happens if we pull out of the CBSC". It was [i]Reeb[/i] who made the point that then they'd be regulated by the CRTC, which would be so much worse. It was Ezra that kept trying to turn it back into a personal assault on the CBSC and Reeb himself.

There's a real issue here, namely whether the [i]CRTC[/i] should even exist and have the authority to regulate media in Canada, but Ezra dodged away from that repeatedly.

I suppose this may be a pick-your-battles kind of thing - the CBSC is going to be an easier target than the CRTC - but I really thought this was a poor showing.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at June 15, 2012 10:49 AM

Censors are attention whores too, don't you know. Look at the Advertsing Standards Authority in the UK and its attack on the Archbishop Cranmer blog.

Posted by: uk Fred at June 15, 2012 10:59 AM

Ezra is one of my favorites at Sun.
and i love Sun news...

and i'm all for free speach, but swearing on public tv i don't think is nessasary.
Kate doesn't seem to appreciate it here.
a few rules are good!

someone told me one time their should be no rules.
i said is that right........yes they said.
i said you mean that stop sign at the end of the street shouldn't be there....yes they said, thats right.
i said, so if i run that stop sign and you and i crash in the intersection, it's no ones fault?

there was silence!

Posted by: bygeorge at June 15, 2012 11:06 AM

So, is it "mandatory voluntary" or "voluntary mandatory" in big nanny state bureau-speak?

Posted by: richfisher at June 15, 2012 11:12 AM

"I suppose this may be a pick-your-battles kind of thing"

That was pretty much my attitude. Great fun, a valid cause, but perhaps a bad hill to die on. That said, I remain a huge supporter of Levant and Sun News...with the exception of the painful two hours provided by "The Manzoid", who should have stuck to his appearances on other shows.

Posted by: wyatt ironbridge at June 15, 2012 11:18 AM

Sorry I can t boycott CBC,Glowbull and CTV as I have refused to watch them all for at least 5years.However I certainly intend to complain to my MP and the appropriate Ministers regarding this North Korean style censorship.Accusing Sun News of being biased while ignoring the left wing agenda of the others is a joke

Posted by: Frankemm at June 15, 2012 11:40 AM

The sleight of hand that is being thrown around is the alleged "swearing" (which, by the way is simply a direct translation from Spanish to English but which in Spanish may well mean something other than the literal translation).

But that is just smoke and mirrors because the REAL issue is that the Volksgerichtshof is claiming that Ezra's initial broadcast violated Clause 6 of the Canadian Association of Broadcasters’ (CAB) Code of Ethics which reads as follows:

"Clause 6 – Full, Fair and Proper Presentation

It is recognized that the full, fair and proper presentation of news, opinion, comment and editorial is the prime and fundamental responsibility of each broadcaster."

So Ezra IS BEING CENSORED. And it is being censored by the Volksgerichtshof - in camera - who have decided what Ezra SHOULD have said.....at least according to them.

Regardless of what Reeb said, one cannot be released of their rights under the Charter by agreement. It was easy to pick up on Reeb's distaste for Sun News. He is biased, he is arrogant and he is in for a butt kicking.

Posted by: Joey at June 15, 2012 12:05 PM

That is what Chiqita did to all 34 million Canadians by calling for an embargo on Canadian products.

But...that never happened. Ezra grossly misinterpreted Chiqita's stance; they never led a boycott.

Posted by: LAS at June 15, 2012 12:54 PM

The CBSC poked the wrong bear this time. These censors are simply anti-conservative. They have been "protecting" Canadians from conservative voices for 25 years at least. Ezra nails it when he brings up Howard Stern and others. There are so many entertaining and informative voices from south of the line who the CBSC will not allow Canadians to hear. The CBSC may have started out as the protector of tasteful broadcasting, but they quickly became the protector if left wing ideology. The CBSC is a joke and should be disbanded.

Posted by: Rick at June 15, 2012 1:18 PM

MP's and the PMO's offices are too easy, where else can I send a "stongly-worded" message? Go Ezra!

Posted by: Jeff K at June 15, 2012 1:38 PM

LAS - kindly point us to what Chiquita REALLY did, or didn't do. Thanks in advance.

As for all the folks out there who think it's wrong for Ezra to act as he did: be thankful you don't have me on Sun News. Ezra is a gentleman on the order of Noel Coward compared to me.

If you aren't genuinely outraged - yes, even outraged enough to use (gasp) profanity at the state of this country after four decades of leftist social engineering, I can't think how the hell you dare to call yourselves conservatives. I guess maybe this is the online equivalent of your daily water-cooler chat; just another mind game to be played out in the abstracted netherworld of the Net.

Not for me, and clearly not for Ezra.

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 15, 2012 3:29 PM

Ezra shouldn't point to other bad behaviour to excuse his own.

The Global dude had some good and valid points. Getting the government involved in anything is never a good idea. Their is some risk to abolishing a this board because we do not live in a free society and I guarantee you some other form of censorship will take it's place.

I for one would rather they have a voluntary board although having some people on it from outside to referee these sanctions they enact might not be a bad idea.

Posted by: Aizlynne at June 15, 2012 4:03 PM

Aizlynne - pointing to bad behavior to excuse your own is not proper when you've been told "what you've done is immoral". The case against Sun News is that what Sun broadcast is too one-sided and contains inflammatory language that is beyond what is allowable on the airwaves in Canada. The clip shows that the language Sun used in not, in fact, unusual compared to other stations. Whether is it proper to refer to someone else in that means is a separate question: if legal sanction by a governing body is to be brought to bear against Sun based on what they said, then the groups the said the string of F-bombs cannot be part of the same board or subject to the same rules. Ezra is pointing out the hypocrisy of the board. And anyone on the board who stood to gain, personally, from these actions should have recused themselves from the case: their personally interest will be seen as having clouded their judgement.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 15, 2012 4:44 PM

Ezra as usual hits the mark. He should have mentioned as well Chiquita's war against Mayans in the 80's. Under the guise they where fighting leftists when they took over Native lands. Ezra is right, these folks are scum.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at June 15, 2012 5:30 PM

When faced with the prospect of government censorship all those years ago, instead of telling the politicians and the bureaucrats to pound sand, the broadcasters scrambled over each other to do the government's work for them. Reeb sees nothing wrong with such spineless, cowardly, spittle-licking toadyism; Levant does.

Posted by: T. Robert Wolfram at June 15, 2012 5:36 PM

Aizlynne - how about no board at all? We're well past the stage of having any use for one apparently, if shows like "Family Guy" are any indication. The one episode I troubled to check out - on Global TV, folks - showed a prom-goer aborting her fetus into a dumpster, followed by a chorus-line consisting entirely of singing, dancing aborted fetuses. Guess that's Global's idea of appropriate content.

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 15, 2012 6:00 PM

Chiquita's boycott never was.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/22/chiquita-says-reports-of-canadian-oil-boycott-are-bananas/

Posted by: LAS at June 15, 2012 6:00 PM

From that very article:

"But in November, the same Chiquita vice-president wrote a letter to the U.S.-based environmental group ForestEthics, saying the company will avoid 'where possible, fuels from tar sands refineries and to adopt a strategy of continuous improvement towards the elimination of those fuels.'"

Learn to read before posting, LAS; you won't look like a friggin' idiot that way - just like the swiftly backpedaling Chiquita exec.

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 15, 2012 6:04 PM

What makes this doubly funny of course is that now the Chiquita guy now has to explain to that environmental NGO that he was lying.

"Hey dude, I know I promised you a boycott of 'tar sands' fuel, but that was then and this is now. Have your lawyer call mine, punk, I'm busy."

Hee!

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 15, 2012 6:13 PM

My apologies to all. I retract my earlier statement that Ezra should apologize.
I still don't approve of the implied language, but I totally support his freedom to say it.

Posted by: Rocky View Redneck at June 15, 2012 8:00 PM

Why is this even an issue? Really, who the hell watches this crap called Sun News anyway? Have you seen the latest viewer numbers? More people are watching paint dry right now than are watching this junk. Skanky Krista Erickson who worked at CBC for years; creepy 'howdy-doody' Ezra Levant who never let's the truth stand in the way of a good story, etc. As they said about FOX News, people who watch SUN are less informed than people who don't watch any news at all.

Posted by: bill at June 15, 2012 9:31 PM

bill @ 9:31Pm...seen CNN's number's lately??? Last Wednesday @ 6:00 PM they had 300,000 viewers. At the same time,a youtube of some nerd(probably leftard)picking his nose had over 500,000 hits.
So just what union,gubermint dept., welfare line,in Eastern Canada do you work for??

Posted by: Justthinkin at June 15, 2012 10:16 PM

dizzy, or rather bill - a hell of a lot more people are watching (and enjoying) Sun news than they are your monkey-brained spew. Count on it, junior. Put down the bong and take a bath, sonny.

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 16, 2012 12:17 AM

bill "As they said about FOX News, people who watch SUN are less informed than people who don't watch any news at all."

Doesn't Fox draw more viewers than all other cable news combined? Way back, I liked CNN when they reported the news rather than managing it.

Posted by: Scar at June 16, 2012 1:47 AM

To Bill and Las: Posting before meds kick in: Embarrassing.
Posting before knowing wherein one speaks: Just as bad, if not worse.
Doing both at the same time: Idiotic.
Stop it!

Posted by: Snowbunnie at June 16, 2012 2:29 AM

Someone said yesterday that CNN 'has about 50,000 viewers at this time.'- Not sure if that was a time slot or overall.
We used to watch CNN all the time way back when they actually reported news.
As for that interview Ezra had with that sanctimonious snot who said that 'Sun was let of a number of times for infractions'.
I thought it was hilarious when Ezra played a clip of 'Trailer Park Boys'.
If Mr. " I could be doing so much more with my time that sitting in judgement over you" would do exactly that we'd all be happier.

Posted by: Snowbunnie at June 16, 2012 3:07 AM

This is what real censorship looks like:
http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/2012/06/12/harper-government-targeted-artist-her-green-conscience-internal-documents-reveal

Posted by: All for Bears at June 16, 2012 9:20 AM

AFB - so not giving someone government money is the same as censoring? As a taxpayer, I don't want the government funding any "artistic" parasites who want my vocation declared illegal.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 16, 2012 10:41 AM

Bureaucrats pressuring to have her sponsorship dropped and shows cancelled certainly is censorship. Plus there's all the creepy list stuff they were doing. C-Miner, I'm sure there are Spanish-speaking people who don't want the government licensing TV networks whose talking heads say "go f*ck your mother" at 4 p.m. local time when kids might hear it. To each their own. When the Sun actually goes after someone powerful -- say, important cabinet ministers, polluters, etc., -- I'll think they're brave. Erecting straw men and knocking them down is no big deal. But with 0.1% of TV viewers watching, whatever SUN TV does is rather academic. They're playing to an empty house, with just a few fans. The advertisers are long gone -- just rip-off garbage insurance and sham-wows. Uncle Bens just pulled its ads. Even Dr. Ho is gone.

Posted by: Fun For All at June 16, 2012 10:58 AM

Fun for All - cancelling public sponsorship is not censoring. She can still say and do what she wants on her own dime. Censoring is what the Soviet Union did to letters to my grandmother from her cousin in the old country. When the letter arrived it had been blackened out so that the underlying words could not be read.

What we're talking about is the difference between forcing someone off the public teat and forcing them to starve. She's not being forced to starve, but you're trying to say that she is. I repeat that I don't want my carbon-fuel-extracting-job-based taxes going to someone who wants my job to cease to exist. As for Sun News, you have the choice not to watch. Mars Corporation has already received an email from me regarding Uncle Ben's products and how they won't be on our pantry anymore. Your 0.1% is a strawman, if we apply that limit then most of CBC's programming should be cancelled. You watch what you want, I'll watch what I want. That's how it should be. What we see here is a group that watches what they want and tries to censor their competitors by telling them what to say and how to say it. Do you understand the difference about what censorship really is? Try reading 1984 again.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 16, 2012 11:13 AM

Levant's clumsy diatribe was over top - a little clever but sharp humour would have made his point much more effectively and certainly less subject to ham-handed ire from the CBSC.

A giant among pygmies.

Posted by: NeoLuddite at June 16, 2012 1:59 PM

When we elect a government we choose their decision making ability. There are endless decisions made daily. I would just as soon have an elected official make decisions as opposed to a faceless bureaucrat or board member.

As poopy diapers etc. has been sold to us as art and the field is totally subjective, I demand the politicians make the decisions.

Posted by: Scar at June 16, 2012 3:38 PM

ShowCase runs "Trailer Park Boys" reruns that "say '[...] f*ck [...]' at 4 p.m. local time when kids might hear it."

Fun for All for Bears mentions "important cabinet ministers". You mean the Queen's Park crew? Fish in a barrel. And "polluters" - like the Sudbury smelters' man-made moonscape? Someone should investigate, yeah.

"Canadians still have some basic decency" to fund films like "Léolo", "Kissed", "Bubbles Galore", anything by David Cronenberg and the aforementioned "Trailer Park Boys" TV series and 2 "TPB" movies.

"P.K. Separatiste"? 3/4 of Mulcair's crew are BQ "bleus" with orange sweaters on.

Posted by: jwkozak91 at June 16, 2012 3:49 PM

I used to volunteer at a Youth For Christ drop-in center. We had a rule about swearing in the centre: No swearing at people. You can swear at the pool table or video game but not at any people in the room. I think that is a fair rule for the news or news related programs.

Posted by: rintrah at June 17, 2012 12:01 AM

Here's some more real censorship:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/06/14/ns-parks-canada-letter-warning.html

Posted by: Fun For All at June 17, 2012 9:04 AM

FFA - not bad-mouthing your employer is common courtesy, and common sense. No one but a civil "servant" would expect otherwise. I would expect that if I publicly badmouthed my employer (including on social media) that I would be fired or censured.

Free speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech, it means you can talk. They can still talk, if they want, but now they can see that there may be consequences.

And from what I've seen, if you remain polite then Kate won't take any action against you based on your words. Degenerate into ad-hominems or falsehoods however....

Posted by: C_Miner at June 17, 2012 6:18 PM

Ezra didn't swear. He quoted words in a foreign language which his audience doesn't understand, and didn't translate them. That isn't swearing and it isn't offensive.

Posted by: ebt at June 17, 2012 8:27 PM

C-Miner: The exact same logic goes for Ezra. No one says he can't talk. But when he lies, he has to pay libel damages, and when he makes a foul-mouthed pig of himself, he has to face the music with the broadcast standards council. Unlike the public servants, his job is not in jeopardy -- until Stunned TV burns through enough of P.K. Separatiste's money that he finally pulls the plug. Put me down for March 1 in the Stunned TV Dead Pool.

Posted by: Fun For All at June 17, 2012 8:55 PM

Part of winning a defamation lawsuit is whether one is willing to go to the wall. Another is whether the truth is on your side. Oscar Wilde was surprised to find that what he thought was libel wasn't when an "accuser" wouldn't take back the nasty things that had been said, because it could be proven that was the accuser said was true. Ezra has been willing to put his beliefs on the line before. He was tried in a kangaroo court (Human Rights rather than criminal). The CBSC is showing themselves to be another kangaroo court. Human Rights Tribunals have withered before the limelight of public exposure that Ezra has brought upon them. The CBSC is facing similar exposure. The CBC has run from Sun's stories. What will the CSBC do?

Ezra was trained as a lawyer. Sure you want to try to lecture him about what libel means?

Posted by: C_Miner at June 17, 2012 11:29 PM

He did go to the wall. The truth was not on Ezra's side. He was convicted of libel by a superior court after a full trial -- the same kind of conviction that awaits Kate Macmillan et al. Get your facts right. It would be a breath of fresh air if you did.

Posted by: Fun For All at June 18, 2012 7:38 AM

So you want to change the topic now to past discussions from whether having trials in private and not calling the accused to let them know that they are accused (which, in a surprising twist, is how Ezra's libel came about - he quoted transcripts "improperly" and didn't seek the original source to clarify - much like the CSBC) and whether a sitting "judge" in a case (CSBC quasi-judicial board) should recuse themselves because of conflict of interest.

Thanks for confirming that something is illegal when Ezra does it, but it's OK for others to do to him. Straight out of Animal Farm. Most of us saw that as a cautionary tale, not as a guide book.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 18, 2012 8:03 AM

from your first referenced site.... "While the transcripts are a reliable source, Levant did not read the ... transcripts in a diligent manner, but rather chose to extract only one part of the exchange which was taken out of context," the judge wrote. "Given the total lack of urgency, Levant should have sought Vigna's side of the story before publishing the defamatory statements.:

So, he took transcripts and didn't "read them the right way". And he didn't check with the original source. Exactly as I said in my last post. This prove my last point. What was yours? Blogs provide context but aren't direct sources of news, so the opinions in the two latter quotes aren't admissible IMHO.

Posted by: C_Miner at June 18, 2012 11:14 PM
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