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April 5, 2012

Wildrose Country

Lorne Gunter hits the nail on the head:

Redford and the tut-tutting experts reveal one thing with their criticisms: They believe all money belongs to governments and you and I should be grateful for whatever crumbs we are permitted to keep. If you cannot demonstrate you have a higher purpose for the money you earn than the schemes proposed by politicians, bureaucrats and academics, then you have no right to complain if government taxes away giant gobs of your income to spend on the "public good."

Bonus: In this video, Lorne Gunter explains to Brian Lilley that Alberta changes newcomers to move right, not the other way around like Redford & co. would so desperately like.

Posted by Robert at April 5, 2012 10:20 AM
Comments

I'm not a fan of their plan because it still smacks of income redistribution. I would prefer the government to set a target on resource revenues only, and that when the royalties exceed that target, Albertans receive their share.

This would make sense because Albertans own the resource equally, and as such are entitled to benefit equally.

Smith's plan, on the other hand, would see a return on all surplus revenues to the government treasury, which includes taxes. Since these taxes were collected from individuals based on their individual incomes, which vary broadly, they should be returned on the same basis.

But instead the surplus would be distributed equally, which is by definition an income redistribution.

So, I like the concept, but it would be implemented improperly, at least from a libertarian conservative perspective.

Posted by: Rob Huck at April 5, 2012 10:54 AM

Rob-

Taxes alone haven't come close to covering government expenditures in Alberta for well over a decade.

Clearly, any surplus can only be a result of resource revenues only....?

Thank goodness the Wildrose believes people are smart enough to spend their own money. Government waste in Alberta has reached unimaginable proportions.

Posted by: Joe_Calgary at April 5, 2012 10:58 AM

No, of course taxes don't cover everything, but that's more of a matter of overspending.

Gunter is right about the Ralphbucks being divied out haphazardly in his desperate attempt to stay in power, but at least it was sold as being a royalty surplus.

When the majority of taxes are paid by a few, and then everyone gets an equal amount in return, this is a form of income redistribution.

Posted by: Rob Huck at April 5, 2012 11:23 AM

From what i see, it is Royalty surplus money. 20% of the surplus would be returned to Albertans. That is not wealth re-distribution, as tax money is not being used. So i am all for it, Go WildRose.
As for Allison the Red, she's done and good riddance. She thought she come emulate Doltan McSquinty. Nope sorry, thanks for playin.

Posted by: tewchip at April 5, 2012 11:34 AM

Oil royalties payments to AB citizens cannot be justified unless there is a balanced budget and provincial debt is retired. The people who have received the benefit of government spending should pay for that spending.

However I do believe a case can be made for oil royalties being paid to citizens rather than placed in a Heritage Fund. I say that simply because of the hugh oil reserves in AB. Again as above those payments cannot only be justified on the basis of zero provincial debt.

Posted by: ct at April 5, 2012 11:40 AM

Either way, the two elephants in the room (Education and Health care) will continue to engorge themselves to prevent kickbacks to the rabble.

Redford is this generation's bitchy NDP version of Harry Strome. In Hindsight, that succession was unfortunate as the Socreds were consistently more conservative than the PCs. In this one, WRP will hopefully be an improvement. Smith's test will be how she stands up to the elephant's unions.

Posted by: John Chittick at April 5, 2012 11:54 AM

What strikes me as most interesting is the level of discontent in Alberta. Usually this only happens when the economy is faltering. The PCs have really shat the bed to be this unpopular.

Posted by: Howie at April 5, 2012 12:04 PM

I would have preferred an across the board tax cut but I can live with what is essentially a tax refund in its stead.

Two quick stories: for the first time I can remember, my Tory MLA is door-knocking. They are also clearly not liking what they are hearing based on our interaction. I didn't really believe before but I do now think that they are in serious trouble. Also, looking at the Tory signage, I see no reference to Redford and little to the PC brand. Another bad sign for Torys everywhere.

Posted by: slaw at April 5, 2012 12:09 PM

Why do we pay any tax?
We have more natural resources shooting out of the ground of the biggest country in the world.
We have 3/4 of all the fresh water, gold, diamonds, silver, oil, nat gas, iron, coal, uranium, hydro potential, potash, timber, pulp, you name it we got it.
Why are we one of the highest taxed countries, lots of countries with just oil get cheques from their gubmint? No tax.
Cut, cut, cut, take a chainsaw to the giant parasite on our backs.
Go WildRose!

Posted by: richfisher at April 5, 2012 12:23 PM

Howie >

"Usually this only happens when the economy is faltering".

Or when the government drifts too far left.

Posted by: Knight 99 at April 5, 2012 12:30 PM

If Danielle Smith is the Libertarian she claims to be provincial income tax rates would be reduced for those who are forced to pay it. As with any campaign promise what she's proposing is just blatant influence peddling.

Meanwhile, Alison the Red has rummaged through the provincial purse and found a few credit cards that aren't at their limit and is proposing new schools, etc. It's for the children, ya'know.

Was a time here in Alberta when taverns and liquor stores were closed on election day to prevent this kind of thing.

Posted by: Paul at April 5, 2012 12:40 PM

Paul >

Returns from provincial resources to the public is not influence peddling, it's allowing individual Albertan’s to decide what to do with their share of natural resource profits not the government.

If you’re a savvy guy you’ll take your share and reinvest it for higher returns. If not you’ll buy yourself allot of whiskey and casino time.

If you think it’s better that Alison Redford or another socialist government can take your share and do better for you is your choice, but remember it’s the socialist government that wants’ to continually hike your tax’s in addition to claiming all royalty moneys. Then they build bridges to nowhere like billion dollar gun registries, and abandoned medical clinics scattered across the prairies.

Posted by: Knight 99 at April 5, 2012 1:01 PM

You herd it first here they are now nicknaming danielle smith the "sarah palin of the south" LOL

Posted by: paul in calgary at April 5, 2012 1:19 PM

These 'Danielle Dollars' will only be paid with surplus oil royalties after the debt is retired and there are no longer deficit budgets.
The oil belongs to the people of Alberta, that means all of the people of Alberta, young/old/rich/poor and these monies are going to be paid in recognition of the fact that this money belongs to the citizens of Alberta, not the Alberta government.

Getting this principle(that the oil revenues are the people's money) out there and practicing the principle by giving some of it directly to the people will help head off Leftist social engineering/programs based on 'Nanny Knows Best' in the future.

Posted by: Oz at April 5, 2012 1:32 PM

Oz >
Bingo.

One of the smartest moves in business or government is to get your people personally invested and involved.

This is what helps drive economies.

Socialism stagnates all motivation.

Posted by: Knight 99 at April 5, 2012 2:03 PM

The problem with Alberta politics of the past 16 or so years is that it is shaped by Edmonton. It's hard to find a clostered liberal ghetto this well established outside the GTA.

Posted by: Occam at April 5, 2012 2:45 PM

The Globe & Mail's Gary Mason really has his hate on for Danielle Smith.

You know that they say about men who hate attractive women!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at April 5, 2012 2:56 PM

I call this profit sharing

most companies have it and it rewards hard work loyalty and dedication ..what wrong with that .

Posted by: paul in calgary at April 5, 2012 3:00 PM

The WRP are polling great in Calgary and area (35-41% PC's 28-31%) In Edmonton they are neck and neck. Why are Calgary and Edmonton so different in political thinking and feeling? I think Occam is correct with his idea of a Liberal getto establishment currently going on in Edmonton. Living in Calgary for the past 50 years I have seen the difference between the 2 cities. That's why I don't think I will ever move from here.
Can't wait to cast my vote

Posted by: wood spider at April 5, 2012 3:16 PM

"From what i see, it is Royalty surplus money. 20% of the surplus would be returned to Albertans. That is not wealth re-distribution, as tax money is not being used. "

Oops. My bad. I stand corrected.

Go Wild Rose!

Posted by: Rob Huck at April 5, 2012 3:37 PM

Alaskans get rebates for their oil. Why not Albertans? Why should the money always end up in the lefts hands through bogus institutions like Suzuki's? Education administrators along with corrupt politicians. Health-care mandarins. An ever bigger Government staffed by ever growing bureaucracy.Like the do nothing committee?
Why shouldn't families get back some of the resource money.
Yes Alberta does change peoples thinking. Its not only because of wealth, its the Idea of freedom & self reliance.
As Ive said before. WE never ask why where not doing what the Americans are doing. WE ask why America isn't doing what Albertans are. You see the difference.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at April 5, 2012 4:24 PM

Redfern would make a perfect politician for Redmonton. Big Government, hard-left union pandering and a big Ogabe-style stash of taxpayer money to hand out to the suckers who fall for her line of socialist BS!

Posted by: Slim at April 5, 2012 5:39 PM

Robert, Gary Mason's column shows the fundamental ideological divide. The royalty rebate to Albertans, after clearing the provincial debt and getting back to fiscal surplus, is a plain statement that all the money, including resource royalties is the property of Albertans themselves. This is a fundamental point that the Left absolutely does not understand.

Particularly hilarious was some dolt claiming the sanctity of press comment based on a Pulitzer Prize from 1938. That's three generations ago, bud. What have you done worthwhile for the past 70 years? Other than be a socialist fartcatcher, that is? You just know that Gary has to be desperate when he's spouting this kind of drivel.

Fact is the lamestream media has done its level best to ignore Wild Rose for the past several years. Now it's coming home to bite them very very hard, because WR regards them, quite rightly, as a mortal enemy. They've had to get their message out by alternative means against a big headwind from MSM. And like the Parliamentary Press Gallery found with Stephen Harper, the corridors in the Edmonton legislature are going to be very very cold for them after the election.

Perhaps best of all are the comments in Mason's article. The green slime are almost shrieking in despair at the prospect of WR. And they are right to do so. The government support for them under the PCs will get fully and immediately severed.

Yes it's spring, and schadenfreude is in the air.

Posted by: cgh at April 5, 2012 5:59 PM

You are correct about Alaska, Revnant Dream. People must live and work in Alaska for 10 years to collect a check though (I stand to be corrected about the exact number of years, I do believe it is 10). To prevent mass immigration of parasites, the Wild Rose Party will have to define the qualifications.

I remain very impressed with Alta's lovely, intelligent Wild Rose leader. Slay the frump Danielle!

Posted by: Jema54 at April 5, 2012 7:37 PM

'cgh', I don't disagree with anything you've said but with Mason I think it goes a whole lot deeper than that. His earlier hit piece against Danielle Smith over the fertility issue reminded me of Andrew Sullivan's vicious attacks against Sarah Palin.

There's something deep seated and very disturbing in the hard drives of Leftist males when it comes to conservative women.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at April 5, 2012 7:39 PM

Robert W. (Vancouver) >


"There's something deep seated and very disturbing in the hard drives of Leftist males when it comes to conservative women."

Conservative women naturally compete and win too often with the leftist male’s overactive feminine side. It’s simply subliminal jealousy.

Posted by: Knight 99 at April 5, 2012 8:06 PM

Payback! Now Redford is trying to shore up her base, the teachers that won her the leadership.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/04/05/albertavotes2012-teacher-tax-credit.html

The Progressive Conservatives promised Thursday to award every teacher in the province with a $500 tax credit.

"I know teachers are reaching into their pockets too often for classroom supplies and to support students," said Leader Alison Redford.

The Tories estimate the tax credit will cost taxpayers $2 million.

Posted by: TimR at April 5, 2012 8:43 PM

When you get down to brass tacks, Redford is a close
clone of Commissar Jeniffer Lynch, Chair of the CHRC.
Pass.
.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at April 5, 2012 8:56 PM

Revnant dream, obviously you are not a farmer close to a cultist colony, when the cultists get a windfall like 400 or 300 dollars, it does not go to the individual, it goes to the colony, they in turn lay that down on the adjacent piece of land driving another small family farmer to the city, choking the small towns and their merchants even further. Cultists only help fight fires, other than that they take millions out of the local economies with their "spud" and "duck" sales at farmers markets, paying no taxes on that cash. The cult only buys straight from the factory/refinery, no middlemen. The giveaway of our money is totally stupid. It was stupid when Red Ralph did it and it still is, put the money into the hospitals, at least the average person, along with the cultists get to use hospitals.

Posted by: bartinsky at April 5, 2012 8:58 PM

Cue the media running 'Smith has hidden agenda' scare stories in 3...2..1..

Posted by: Stan at April 5, 2012 9:05 PM

human rights lawyer...no thanks

Posted by: doug at April 5, 2012 10:03 PM

bartinsky, when you get your royalty check you are free to donate it to hospitals or anywhere else you and people who think like you which you can connect with on the internet or any other way want to spend that money on.

You have a problem with Hutterites?
Sucks to be you.
I happen to like them for a lot of reasons, especially because they have the BEST produce at farmer's markets.

Posted by: Oz at April 6, 2012 1:42 AM

This is redistribution of revenues arbitrarily owned by 'the people' ie the government but giving it to individuals is vastly better that a beauracracy. Better still to pay off debt and cut income tax!

Posted by: LAS at April 6, 2012 2:19 AM

Hey Oz, I want you to start using Cultist Dental, maybe your doctor should come from the colony, or maybe your accountant, yea that's it, all cash, no declaring. This isn't a flame war there Oz, all I would like to see is a level playing field, maybe do away with the egg marketing board, milk quotas, hog quotas, know anything about all that OZ? No problem with Huts, individually they are great people, the cult I disagree with. And OZ it doesn't suck to be me, I grow my food, vegetables beef etc., without all the herbicides pesticides Synovex Ralgro and Round Up ready crap you consume from the cultists, that has obviously addled your brain.

Posted by: bartinsky at April 6, 2012 3:55 AM

Hey Oz, I want you to start using Cultist Dental, maybe your doctor should come from the colony, or maybe your accountant, yea that's it, all cash, no declaring. This isn't a flame war there Oz, all I would like to see is a level playing field, maybe do away with the egg marketing board, milk quotas, hog quotas, know anything about all that OZ? No problem with Huts, individually they are great people, the cult I disagree with. And OZ it doesn't suck to be me, I grow my food, vegetables beef etc., without all the herbicides pesticides Synovex Ralgro and Round Up ready crap you consume from the cultists, that has obviously addled your brain a bit.

Posted by: bartinsky at April 6, 2012 3:56 AM

Well, barty, when your offspring quit farming and go off to make a new life in the city while the Hoots buy up your land, the Hutterites will still be keeping on keeping on.
You enjoy your garden greens while you can now, barty boy, and I'll enjoy my royalty cheque when it arrives.

hits post once and gets 1(one) iteration

Posted by: Oz at April 6, 2012 4:29 AM

Boy if 300 is all it takes to please you Oz your an easy keeper for mommy, that doesn't buy half a tank of diesel in one of the smaller tractors around here. Ever seen how their women are treated Oz? As you cityfolk worry about the state of women in Assbackwardistan, once they control the food growing markets your garden markets will require far more of your 300 to buy. Obviously you never check out the vibrancy of any small towns close to these ultra land polluting "farms".

Posted by: bartinsky at April 6, 2012 9:19 AM

Regarding a previous poster's comment that there ought to be defined residency requirement for "Dani bucks" - While laudable this idea won't play well politically for the WRP garnering votes, as Alberta urban centres (and particularly government services at all levels) are infested with recent refugees from dysfunctional regimes both here in Canada and elsewhere. They weren't happy where they came from but paradoxically they want the same thing here.

Posted by: Paul at April 6, 2012 12:05 PM

Now it's chump change, eh barty?
So why are you pissing and moaning?
You need to get your story straight.

Posted by: Oz at April 6, 2012 12:49 PM

The Dani Dollar proposal is quite logical provided the budget is balanced and that is what the WR propose. Redistribution of sovereign wealth goes against the very core principals of statism which is why it enrages the Left so much.

My daughters former boyfriend is a staunch NDP supporter who lives in Edmonton. She, of course, is a Wid Rose supporter. He is so frightened of the Wild Rose party that he is going to vote Conservative!! I imagine he instincively senses the statist aims of Redfrod and is casting his ballot accordingly.

Posted by: Dave at April 6, 2012 5:14 PM
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