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January 14, 2012

Now is the Time at SDA When We Juxtapose

2004: George Bush blamed over the Abu Ghraib prison scandal

2012: Barack Obama portrayed as the victim over the Taliban urination scandal

Posted by Robert at January 14, 2012 8:45 AM
Comments

Waaall....
Ya Know....
What LIBRANOs and DEMONcRATs call civility...the rational world lables correctly a double standard.

Racist...anyone who has just lost an argument with a lefty.

Civility...the act of not criticizing lefties in any situation.

Result remrking how Cretin talks outa the side of his mouth is uncivil but remarks about Rhona Ambrose hair is cricket.

Posted by: sasquatch at January 14, 2012 8:52 AM

The real victims arethe Afghani's once Hillary and Co negotiate the US's terms of surrender with the Taliban.

Killing fields? Here we come.

Why is most of the bloodshed and misery at the hands of progressives?

Posted by: Curious at January 14, 2012 8:57 AM

There are more bodily excretions one could apply to a dead taliban (more like tali-c*%t), especially orally.

We're looking forward to enjoy a video of them?

Posted by: eastern paul at January 14, 2012 8:59 AM

Why the negative press from the Afghans? The dead are in Paradise with their 72 virgins laughing at the Americans.

Posted by: WalterF at January 14, 2012 9:10 AM

i suspect the Afghans secretly couldn't care less. It's fake outrage from people who are very aware of the realities of war, but know they can manipulate western liberals.

Posted by: christopher pool at January 14, 2012 9:15 AM

This little problem for the lefties,and (no one with a set cares) will be used to cut more troops by the "surrenderer in chief", it is no longer God Bless America, land that I love, Barry has re-written it to, God Help America land that I loath. I think every American who didn't bother to vote last election, will be sure to counter-balance Oprah's minions in the next one.

Posted by: bartinky at January 14, 2012 9:32 AM

The comments to this incident in the Grope and Flail link would suggest that a lot of people would only be too happy if the US collapsed. The hatred expressed is unbelievable...well maybe not.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 14, 2012 9:50 AM
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is condemning a video that purports to depict four U.S. Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban fighters.

She sat and watched the personal live streaming video during the killing of Sodom bin Lying,
but is horrified by Combat Marines taking a piss on head hunters.

Piss on her and her President Oblamer,
and their 'piss and vinegar' administration..

Posted by: Fearless Leader at January 14, 2012 9:56 AM

Well if they had taken a crap on the taliban they could have passed themselves off as Occupy Wall St. sympathizers.

Posted by: Fred at January 14, 2012 10:03 AM

When a liberal pees on jesus in a jar it's called art, but when a marine pees on a terrorist it's called a war crime. Gawd liberals are sickening.

Posted by: Rose at January 14, 2012 10:16 AM

Boo hoo. So they urinated on a few dead terrorists. How many US soldiers are in Afghanistan? How much crap do they put up with each day in that hole of a country that is still in the dark ages?

There's a 100% chance a few soldiers are going to do something silly and then be even silly enough to film it. It would be an interesting experiment to send all those whining about it to the front lines for a few months.

Honestly I don't know what the US or Canada are doing staying in that shit hole of a country.

Posted by: TJ at January 14, 2012 10:18 AM

Arrest Obama for WAR CRIMES. Obama is a war criminal.

Posted by: dj at January 14, 2012 10:29 AM

Who is the dork that put the vid on youtube??
I'm beginning to believe we won WWII because there was no internet then.

Since the post is about the media and their biased blame game and Obama worship...it is similar to the lefties and media blaming Harper for the poor married-in-Canada gays from England that wanted a divorce. The 'reporting' was all about Harper's hidden agenda again.

Posted by: bluetech at January 14, 2012 10:41 AM

Two of those Marines should face charges of being improperly dressed. (No Helmets in a combat zone)
Other than that, It is their urine to waste as they see fit.

Posted by: Rob C at January 14, 2012 11:03 AM

Those marines fought and obviously killed those dead Afghani fighters, so they own 'em and they are theirs to piss on ... if they want to. You know, sort of like Leslie Gore's "Its My Party".

The left and many on the right are feigning outrage, but really, our side has not yet beheaded anyone, nor stoned any women to death for flashing too much ankle. I don't think we have hung any gays yet either and I don't believe we send our children into shopping malls to blow up.

Apparently, all our side did was piss on some dead mortal enemies. Hardly a big freaking deal as I sees it.

Posted by: Abe Froman at January 14, 2012 11:13 AM

Obama as the victim? ........

Is that because the soldiers really wanted to piss on the zerO but had to settle for the TallyBan?

Posted by: Hangtown Bob at January 14, 2012 11:16 AM

Absolutely great comment, Rose.

Posted by: Mkelley at January 14, 2012 11:29 AM

"Obama's 'hearts and minds' effort hurt by surfacing of 'deplorable' video" - these would be the same 'hearts and minds' that think it is ok to videotape their buddies while they cut the heads off of helpless captives? Talk about your moral relativism...

Posted by: lyle bert at January 14, 2012 11:57 AM

'bama's philosophy in a nutshell when it comes to defence...


http://www.picpeak.com/2012/0113/6/6.jpg

Posted by: Bemused at January 14, 2012 12:07 PM

Isn't piss a preservative? That's the reason Tallybans don't decay in the hot sun. Thank the troops Mo!

Posted by: Doc Bones at January 14, 2012 12:15 PM

I believe it is about respect even for your enemies. Allied soldiers had great respect for the Luftwaffe and the German army under generals like Rommel as they were warriors. They had none for true psychopaths like the SS or the Gestapo and shot them.

These taliban are not warriors worthy of respect for the despicable things they do and have done to their own people, butchering women and children especially if they dare to attend school or UN workers bringing sight to the blind.

Once the allies all leave they will quickly turn Afghanistan back into the hellhole of 11 years ago where women in burquas are shot in former soccer stadiums.

The comments on the Globe article are little different from comments written on anything the US is involved in. Hateful, venomous, belittling yet cowards as they sit safely here protected by the US and Canadian military.

Always am incredulous when these posters go on about how the US caused the death of millions of Iraqis. The US didn't kill these people, their fellow muslims did and are still doing it.

Posted by: dave at January 14, 2012 12:16 PM

Obama as the victim? ........
Is that because the soldiers really wanted to piss on the zerO...?

~Hangtown Bob

No, it's because his mommy dropped him on his head when he was a baby.

Posted by: Oz at January 14, 2012 12:20 PM

As far as I'm concerned,they can dip the Talibanners carcasses in pigsh*t then dump 'em in a grave with a dead dog.

What in hell is wrong with politicians who can't support our guys under battlefield conditions and force them adhere to "Miss Manners" rules of etiquette while they're NOT out in polite society?

How about a bold statement,President Barack,"we support our troops 100% and if you f*** with them, we will show no mercy. End of story."

Posted by: dmorris at January 14, 2012 12:44 PM

liebrals throw conniption fit..call for CNN reporter to be fired for saying she'd "'drop trou' and do it too"

probably not a wise thing to do, and the troops should have known better, especially in this day and age with cameras on everything, but they're young and have had their friends killed in front of them...they had their reasons.

In any case...

Brava!! Dana Loesch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=002ZoVk6Txo

Posted by: Bemused at January 14, 2012 1:02 PM

I can't imagine myself pissing on anyone, even the despicable, cowardly Taliban thugs. However, I have never been in combat either where someone is trying to kill me. Therefore I am in no position to pass judgment on these marines. To those that display faux outrage, if you have never been in a life and death combat situation, then please stfu. If and when you ever experience what these soldiers are enduring in a foreign hell-hole, then feel free to offer your opinion.

Posted by: biffjr. at January 14, 2012 1:11 PM

They call this an "atrocity" and "brutality."

Enemy propaganda has no sense of proportion.

At worst these guys deserve nonjudicial punishment. A court martial will be a federal conviction that will dog them the rest if their lives.

The only reason the Navy is prosecuting this is because it made the Corps look bad. They don't really care about the incident. If the video hadn't gone public, there wouldn't have been a court martial.

Posted by: Reginald at January 14, 2012 1:20 PM

Yeah, there's no agenda in the media....

Posted by: Mark at January 14, 2012 1:27 PM

Now there won't be peace, ever. The Taliban have seen how weak American leadership is. They can't even support their own troops in the field.

It won't be long until Karzai losses a couple parts like Najibullah and swings from a traffic light. If the Taliban don't do it, we should.

Posted by: Scar at January 14, 2012 1:34 PM

Yes Obama can get away with dropping bombs on people. He can sit back while people really want a revolution. He can destroy a Constitution. He can champion Islamofacism World wide. Annihilate a World economy. Deal with terrorists. Create a group of genital gropers called the TSA. No one will say a thing.
Have some dumb soldiers pee on their enemies & the World implodes. Not against him as they did to Bush, but the men dying for America.
One day these traitors will pay a price for what they are doping. Collaborators with evil always do in the end. Though it take years.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 14, 2012 2:19 PM

Give those boys a raise.

Posted by: a@c at January 14, 2012 2:21 PM

if only these 4 had hung a 13 year old girl from a crane for being raped!!!

Posted by: GYM at January 14, 2012 2:30 PM

Maybe it was a long firefight and they had to go real bad. All kidding aside, they should have known better and should be hauled up for stupidity.

In a way it reminds me of the Somalia "kill smelly nig-nogs" video. Mistreatement of prisoners ultimately brought down the airborne, though there's a difference between pissing on the enemy and torturing prisoners to death; however, feigned outrage knows no bounds.

The Marines will probably step on them hard, given the exposure and stain on the corps name. People are naive though; what do they think goes on? I saw an RCR on leave from Afghan and his t-shirt had "Taliban Hunting Club" on it.

Posted by: Shamrock at January 14, 2012 2:33 PM

Vae victis.

Posted by: John Lewis at January 14, 2012 2:56 PM

piss on all of them...THEN kill them.


(Telegraph) — Child suicide bombers say they were told by their handlers that the “bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die”.

The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest.

Blindfolded and rigged with his explosive payload, the boy, who was about 13, was driven to his target in the Afghan city of Kandahar, after being plucked from the streets of Quetta in neighbouring Pakistan. Minutes before he was due to execute the attack, however, Abdul realised the lies of his recruiters seeking to turn him into a human bomb.

“When I opened my eyes, I saw it was a very black thing they wanted me to do,” he later recalled.

“I began to cry and shout. People came out of their houses and asked what was wrong. I showed them I had something in my vest. Then they were scared too and called the police who took the bombs off me.”

Afghan security officials say that Abdul’s story is not unusual. In the past year, insurgents have used a wave of child suicide bombers, some as young as 10, on the ruthless assumption that small boys can pass through checkpoints and security cordons more easily than men.

Posted by: Bemused at January 14, 2012 2:57 PM

Well I have had the sad experience of the interminable boredom and those seconds of absolute terror...I have standing...

Video taping/allowing video-tapping/releasing this is the problem...which the Corps will punish.

Anyone who has experienced "the arrows that fly by day", to quote the BIBLE, will make that judgement.

"War is Hell and there is no refining it."
William Tecumseh Sherman

Posted by: sasquatch at January 14, 2012 3:35 PM

"War is Hell and there is no refining it."
William Tecumseh Sherman

War should always be the last option only if everything else fails, but then it should be the final one. However once committed to war then do it fully and with deadly intention. Nuke the cities and eliminate the bulk of the population as quickly as possible before sending in any troops. Burn the fields, kill the livestock and poison the water. Bomb schools and hospitals, kill women and children first - to eliminate the possibility of the war extending beyond one generation. Kill them fast, efficiently and then it's upon them to surrender prior to becoming exterminated as a people. Kill everyone and break everything until they surrender unconditionally. After one war, nobody should ever want to allow that possibility again.

If you want nice politically correct competition, go to the Olympics.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 3:50 PM

The difference is that the abuse at Abu Ghirab was ongoing and allegedly approved by Rumsfeld vs. four soldiers doing something that was against regulations and stupidly filming it.

Why are western soldiers there and what are they saving the Iraqis and Afghanis from if they're not behaving better than the home grown oppressors?

On a related note, there was a time in the Navy when anyone bringing a camera into the main cave when the ship was at a foreign port had the camera confiscated and returned later in little pieces.

Posted by: lberia at January 14, 2012 3:58 PM

the only way you can do this right is piss on your ammunition, then at least the piss gets to them first .
a little pig fat grease would be appropriate as well.
strange how this gets more press than the what the taliban did to locals for years. mass beheadings etc.

Posted by: cal2 at January 14, 2012 4:03 PM

The Marines should be disciplined for the poor judgement of recording the incident and posting it on the net. The 'piss-off' is rather 'normal' in a combat zone.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 4:17 PM

Why didn't the US just bomb the crap out of Afghanistan and let the Taliban know that whenever they wanted peace, all they had to do was agree to US terms.

The BS of deciding who are good Afghanis and who are bad Afghanis is stupid. They are all bad and all guilty for 9-11 and should all pay the price until they impress us that they are suitably cowered. It's simply amazing how firebombing and nuclear bombing civilized the Germans and Japanese.

Posted by: Scar at January 14, 2012 4:26 PM

The US could have easily ended the wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc. within months. They didn't because it was never about winning quickly. It was always about prolonging the conflict for profiteering by the MIC oligarchy that's actually been running the country since WW2.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 4:37 PM

North of 60,

What nonsense. Oliver Stone is calling...

Posted by: wnmc at January 14, 2012 5:06 PM

Got a factual rebuttal or just spouting your opinion.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 5:14 PM

Since August 6th 1945, the US has possessed the demonstrated capability of ending any war whenever they wanted to. Refute that with facts, not opinion.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 5:20 PM

What rose and sasquatch said.

Idiots should have know better that to video it.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 14, 2012 5:33 PM

Yeah well, Farcebook is proof that the internet doesn't necessarily make people smarter.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 5:39 PM

I'd like to shake the hands of those four Marines..

after I'd made sure they'd washed them first, of course.

Posted by: KevinB at January 14, 2012 6:13 PM

North of 60:

Ending a war with a nuclear strike is not something most folks think is a good idea. That is what happened in 1945. As for the rest of your examples-

Korea: China intervened, strategic nuclear bombing runs were discussed and dismissed as the fall out on UN and American troops may have been deadly to them. Cooler heads prevailed.

Vietnam: A lengthy and difficult conflict. The Americans got involved quite late. The Vietcon had been fighting a war since the mid 1950's. Eventually it was lack of political will to fight a war that forced the Americans to pull out in 1974. The Chinese played a role here too.

Iraq: In the first Iraq War the Americans won quickly. They did also in the second but did not win the peace. I suspect that we will witness a nasty civil war in Iraq.

Afghanistan: Same as above. The strategic objectives were achieved very quickly but politics turned the aftermath into an exercise of democracy building. My guess is the same as above.

Somalia was not a war but an intervention that collapsed because of political will. It still festers.

You did not mention Serbia, Libya, Grenada or Panama. The pattern I see is that the Americans do not win wars is because of what is going on back home. It is certainly not because mysterious MIC chaps are trying to feather their beds. If they truly ruled the U.S., it would be a dark place.

The truth is that America fights wars with a conscience. As such they do not always win them in the manner that you aspire them to. This is precisely why they dominate the world. Sensible people trust them. The same can be said for the Royal Navy in the Nineteenth Century (see Albert Hermann book).

Lastly, Dear North 60 winning wars quickly is not always the best option for humanity. If America used its abilities, most of south east Asia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. would be a parking lot. Is that what you want? I don't. I grew up with a bomb shelter in my back garden.

Winning wars quickly requires killing lots of people fast and in nasty ways. Is that something you are prepared to do?


Posted by: wnmc at January 14, 2012 6:49 PM

You won't see this on CNN...or MSNBC..piss on them too.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-fayetteville/guilty-north-carolina-jihadists-who-targeted-marine-corps-wives-and-children

In Federal Court in New Bern, NC today, three would-be Islamist terrorists were found guilty of a slew of terrorism-related charges in a planned attack on unsuspecting wives and children of Marine Corps personnel residing on the sprawling Marine base in Quantico, Virginia.

Ziyad Yaghi, 23; Hysen Sherifi, 27; and Mohammad Omar Aly Hassan, 24 all stood before Her Honor U.S. District Judge Louise Flanagan as they had their convictions and sentences publically read to them.

32, 45 and 15 years respectively...

Posted by: Bemused at January 14, 2012 7:12 PM

wnmc
"Winning wars quickly requires killing lots of people fast and in nasty ways. Is that something you are prepared to do?"

Exactly my point. Screw with us guys and after we write off a big chunk of your population, we'll let you beg for peace. What is the point of losing every serious war? Yellow Streak Obama just surrendered in Iraq and is preparing the surrender in Afghanistan. The terrorist world must really fear NATO and their leadership vacuum.

Posted by: Scar at January 14, 2012 7:36 PM

Scar,

Don't get me wrong. Obama is an idiot. He has lost every advantage in Iraq and Afghanistan by telegraphing his intentions. This is why we see troops pissing. The morale is low. His idea of war is to get TF out.

I do not agree that using overwhelming force at every opportunity is the idea. The key is to just have it. That is enough.

Posted by: wnmc at January 14, 2012 8:00 PM

I heard the grave voice of a CTV announcer last night, as he intoned of a blow to US credibility. Throw in the outrage of the Taliban who would now fight even harder. He delivered the "outrage" of the urinating soldiers.

He handed over to another "journalist" who agreed whole heartedly. At the end of this, the main speaker, casually mentioned a bombing of five innocent victims that day. I could not catch whether it was Iraq or Afghanistan. He did not elaborate.

Hissy fits galore!

Posted by: Peter (Lock City) at January 14, 2012 8:47 PM

"Winning wars quickly requires killing lots of people fast and in nasty ways. Is that something you are prepared to do? "

Yes, exactly my point. Either avoid war altogether [the point which was obviously missed], or you kill lots of people fast and in nasty ways until the enemy capitulates completely.

War is Hell as Sherman so wisely said. War is not a game to be played with nice rules.

If you want to play games, go to the Olympics.

The way the US 'fights' wars is expensive, wastes resources and maims and kills too many troops. It does however make profiteers very rich, which of course is the actual objective for America. They learned that lesson well in WW2 and have kept the people in a paranoid delusion since then to justify outrageous 'defense' budgets. America spends more on 'defense' than the total of what all the other countries in the world spend on their military.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 9:25 PM

MIC chaps are trying to feather their beds. If they truly ruled the U.S., it would be a dark place.

Thanks. That proves my point completely. In case you haven't noticed the US economy is in shambles, unemployment is at an all time high, more people are homeless and starving than ever before, crime is increasing as a result, gun and ammunition sales hit an all time high this recent holiday season....
Yes, it's a very dark and troubled place.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 9:33 PM

Opium production in Afghanistan is up 133% compared with the previous year. That's what funds the Taliban.

If the US truly wanted to 'win' in Afghanistan they would remove ALL non-Muslim troops and actually fight a war, but from the air.

Issue a 'fatwah': All opium fields greater than one acre and all para-military compounds will be destroyed without warning. Then bomb them back into the stone age till the Taliban give up.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 9:42 PM

Um North of 60,

What would you prefer? A strong U.S. or somebody else? Discuss. China? Putin's Russia? Please describe what that world will be like. America spends lots of money because it realizes it has too- mainly because nobody else in the western world will.

Did you know that the internet came from the the nasty American military?

Posted by: wnmc at January 14, 2012 9:47 PM

The only thing in shambles North of 60 is your logic. I really do not want to get into an extended discussion with someone who has such sophomoric views.

You asked me to respond to the discussion you initiated about the U.S. wars. I did. You have not in any meaningful way.

Hey- I am a nasty conservative. Killing people to make a point is just not my style- sorry.

Enlighten me.

Posted by: wnmc at January 14, 2012 10:08 PM

Those who wish to play grandstanding games and address me personally can do so at my e-mail.
n0rth_0f_60@yahoo.com

I will gladly discuss the subjects at hand, but only with mature adults. Personal attacks are for children, they do not further intelligent discussion, and will be ignored.

Posted by: North of 60 at January 14, 2012 10:17 PM

OK. Will do. Sorry Kate - As a kinda mature adult, I will take my discussion elsewhere. I apologize for any grandstanding.

Posted by: wnmc at January 14, 2012 10:31 PM

I think if they had done this to every dead Taliban and put it on Youtube, they might have ended the war a long time ago.

Kind of a disincentive if you're contemplating going the 72 virgins route.

Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at January 14, 2012 10:37 PM

"Racist...anyone who has just lost an argument with a lefty."

Ummmmm...surprised nobody picked it up sasquatch...but isn't a racist anyone who is WINNING an argument with a leftard??

Posted by: Justthinkin at January 14, 2012 10:39 PM

They took a leak on scum who don't even identify themselves via uniform, kill women and children and slowly saw/swist a man's head off on the internet to cause the most pain prior to death, cry me a river.
Yet the marines at Gitmo have to deal with fece and urine flingers as part of their job... I fear for our world, we went sideways somewhere and I'm not so sure that we can recover.

Posted by: multirec at January 14, 2012 11:05 PM

Heard from an ex-marine...


"I've often been asked, 'What do you old folks do now that
you're retired?' Well, I'm fortunate to have a chemical
engineering background, and one of the things I enjoy most
is converting beer, wine and vodka into urine.

Then I piss on a photo of Obama!

I do it every day and I really enjoy it."

Posted by: Bemused at January 15, 2012 11:16 AM
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