Looks like the PCC will be quickly following the UCC down the humanist sink-hole. And, they wonder why attendance is dwindling.

And they wonder why fewer people are going to church in Canada.

Let's rewrite his sentence and see how much traction it gets among the left.

"Israelis are daily subjected to rocket attacks and suicide bombs and attacked in other ways that are simply not allowable under international law, yet it continues to persist because of frankly the power of anti-semitism both in Europe and frankly all around the world including Canada."

Plus, who uses the word "frankly" twice in one short sentence?

I don't make a lot of distinction between the Presbyterians and the UNC...leftists posing as a religious denomination...

Their problem in this is they adhere to the leftist cant rather than the gospel and deliberately ignore the inconvenient truth.

Jewish lobby....J-street....a cabel of capo's who claim to be jewish but are actually primarily bolshevik.

The simple fact that the real Palestian occupyers are Syrian, Jordanian and Eygptian violent, lawless transients.....rejects from the nations they fled.

I'm going to throw up. Seriously.

I can't take any more of these lies from Christian church leaders and rely totally on the words from the Bible for whatever consolation I can get. The translation of Revelation 3:16 I like the best is this one from The Message

"I know you inside and out, and find little to my liking. You’re not cold, you’re not hot—far better to be either cold or hot! You’re stale. You’re stagnant. You make me want to vomit."

Amen to that. And if anyone wonders why there are so many pews, look no further than the leaders that have been put in place by the bibical illiterate.

Missed typing EMPTY pews. And I suppose we could add EMPTY coffers which won't keep their doors open much longer.

I gather broadcasting didn't offer sufficient scope and opportunity to pontificate self-righteously. (Hard to believe, but sometimes management does restrain them.) Plus, people keep changing the station to find the weather and traffic, but when you've got them trapped in a church with the door closed you can really tell them a thing or ten.
And frankly, how about a comma or two, frankly?

check his bank account to see if Hisbollah is bribing him to spread the propaganda.

No sane person would believe such crap.

This sort of leftist humanist bile that we here from the PCC, the UCC & Anglicans/ELCIC Lutherans (not to be confused with LCC Lutherans) is disgusting. It is the inevitable result when the concept of evangelism is distorted to mean increasing membership in their church. Rather than teaching the law (we all need forgiveness) and the gospel (we are forgiven) as revealed in scripture, they make up their own narrative that they 'feel' will better appeal to their target audience.

They desperately wish to curry the favor of the mainstream media so that their message would be broadcast to a much larger audience than they have within their dwindling churches. In the process, they completely forget what their message was supposed to be in the first place.

The Churches were long ago compromised in the promotion and spread of Socialism/Communism.

Way back to the 30's.

Rick Horst is a douche.

In 2009 the Presbyterian Church began to recommend divestment of Caterpillar stock because they sell military bulldozers to Israel. So I bought some.

It was selling for around $27/share at that time.
It is currently selling for around $92.

Thank you Presbyterian Church.

That's the Church I was raised in,although my old Pastor probably wouldn't recognise it anymore.

Strange how people who are supposed to be Minsters of the Christian faith can join a political Party,the NDP, that is determinedly anti-Christian.

This just clears up any question, that the Presbyterian org. joins the UCC and the Anglicans as Apostate "churches".

Mr Horst should go back to his bible, if he uses one at all, and re-read what Israel is, and always shall be.

Indeed, based on biblical study, how could anyone with knowledge, and a clear conscience, ever be a true believer, and an NDP voter. It boggles the mind.

Yup, the Anglican Church of Canada exactly fits the left-wing, moonbat, apostate mould. This “church” used to be called “the Conservative Party at prayer”. Not any more: any self-respecting Anglican, who’s in lock step with its secular leaders, is now a part of the “NDP Party at prayer”.

(On occasion—I’m an ex-Anglican and a Roman Catholic—I used to go to a local Anglican parish to experience the beautiful liturgy and exquisite music. I don’t even do that anymore: the hypocrisy and “play acting” finally became too much.)

Apostate denominations are dying. But, in their arrogance, they’re “stuck on stupid”: not one of their strategies to play to the hair-brained, progressive agenda has worked. But that doesn’t stop them from becoming more and more hair-brained and progressive. Poor them.

I wonder how they reconcile their views with Psalm 122:

"Laetatus sum

"I was glad when they said unto me, We will go into the house of the Lord.
Behold, our feet shall stand in thy gates, O Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is built as a city that is at unity in itself.
For thither the tribes go up, even the tribes of the Lord, to testify unto Israel, to give thanks unto the Name of the Lord.
For there is the seat of judgement, even the seat of the house of David.
O pray for the peace of Jerusalem; they shall prosper that love thee.
Peace be within thy walls, and plenteousness within thy palaces.
For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will wish thee prosperity.
Yea, because of the house of the Lord our God, I will seek to do thee good."

Amen and amen!

But it's Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, et al. who are the _real_ anti-Semites, according to the "narrative" of the Left. (All of those Israeli flags, philo-Semitic declarations, and profuse admiration for the State of Israel are but a clever ruse to camouflage their inner Cossack.) Unfortunately, large numbers of American Jews continue to buy into said narrative; I'm no longer sure that even a mushroom cloud sprouting over Tel-Aviv, with photographic evidence of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi having turned the key-switches on the Iranian ballistic missile launch, would change their minds.

I gave up on organized religion many years ago. Asshats like this are just one reason.

Not one word about Christ (Messiah) or His Mission.
These people forget its about salvation by grace. About forgiveness of sin. Not Charity for an ideology.
Christian Identity all the way. These are the people Jesus warned us about 4 times. Not only Him, but the Apostles.
In fact it goes so far as to say even the
Man of sine cannot be revealed until the church goes apostate. Joshuah's letter through Revelation to the Church of Laodocia (Prophetically the last church)describes the last Church, as so far gone, he has to knock on their door to enter peoples heart, because they have left Him out.
These folks forget He was Jewish which means God was in His earthly Guise a Jew. Christian is Common Greek for Christ = Messiah. Ians means People. People of the Messiah is the translation.
These are People of the World.

2 Thessalonians 2:3

This passage came to mind for me.

Reichsfuhrer Horst, meet Reichsfuhrer Himmler.

So many good comments above, especially gellen, curious, lookout, Revnant Dream and Terry. Most of the mainline churches have become useful idiots for communism.

I'm an atheist who likes going to church, likes being part of a Christian community, and considers himself a "cultural Christian". Problem is, I can't find a church in the Toronto area that doesnt preach some version of "social justice" - which means "we happily adopt the leftist narrative when looking to apply biblical teaching in the real world". All of the church leaders have been very well "educated". Many of the people of influence appear to be feminists (even male ones) who actively support divorce theft, single motherhood, abortion and pacifism. Every two-bit leftist "charity" or NGO is uncritically supported, both in word and in deed.

So I just stay home now.

Here I thought the United Church was the NDP at prayer. Are the Presbyterians trying a takeover?

Plus, who uses the word "frankly" twice in one short sentence?
~Heresolong

Someone who is trying to sell you on the idea that this time they're talking straight when they've got a well earned reputation for BS.

and what explains the islamists in egypt ?

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/egyptian-military-adviser-calls-attack-on-woman-justified/?hp

An adviser to Egypt’s military rulers said in a newspaper interview published on Thursday that a brutal attack on a female protester by Egyptian soldiers on Saturday was justified because the woman had insulted the army.

Thousands of Egyptian women took to the streets of Cairo this week to protest the beating of the woman, whose black abaya was stripped back to reveal her underwear during the attack.

Asked about video and photographs of soldiers hitting and kicking the woman, Gen. Abdel Moneim Kato, a retired officer who advises the ruling military council in Cairo, told the Arabic-language newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat that the female activist had been insulting the army through a megaphone before she was stripped and beaten....

"Frankly" I'm not as absolutist as most people on this site.

I can see a legitimate case for both the Israeli and Palestian side.

Which is why, I don't think we(Canada) or whatever Church should support either.

as for the 'palestinians'...Israel isn't calling for the total annihilation of 'palestine' and the execution of every person in it...but the islamists are...for more than just religious reasons...

http://phillipsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/12/europes-unfinished-business.html

Of course, there are profound differences between today’s anti-Jewish animus and 1930s Germany. But there is also more than an unsettling echo; there is a direct line of connection. Many of the Palestinian Arabs are descended from ancestors who formed Hitler’s Middle Eastern front in Palestine, with a shared goal of exterminating the Jews. And their current agenda is being promoted by Europeans who, having created the EU to exorcise the continent’s demons, never fully faced up to the true and universal sources of the eternal hatred and lunacy that had caused the genocide of the Jews.

Given this, it is hardly fanciful to conclude that the current demonisation of Israel by the Arab-European alliance designed to soften up the world for Israel’s destruction suggests that World War Two has still not properly ended.

These "churches", in their struggle to be relevant, completely forget who the founder of Christianity was....

I hate to spring this on the good folks in here, but I'll bet that over 1/2 of all kristians world wide are lefties

Frankly, Observer, instead of saying you're "not an absolutist" why not be more direct and say, "I'm a moral relativist" for while "a case" may be made for each side, the "case" for the Jewish side is based on historical truth and the openly genocidal charters of the PLO/Hamas and the rest of the surrounding Islamic world of some 300 million, while the case for the "Palestinian" side in based on KGB/Nazi style propaganda, the BIG LIE element of which is that Jews have no connection to the area; that they were imperialistic proxies (tho they fought against the perfidious genocidal British) and that they stole "Arab land", whereas we all know that it was Ottoman/Turkish land for several hundred years prior to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WWI.

But you can be forgiven for your superior moral acceptance of the false "Palestinian" narrative because it is is quite possibly the most effective propaganda in world history and as such has fooled enormous numbers of highly-intelligent, highly-educated people across the west.

"Palestinians are daily harassed and abused and treated with indignities...because of frankly the power of the Jewish and Zionist lobbies both in America and frankly all around the world..."

Is that Presbyterian moderator aware of what he is actually saying? Or maybe he is a 25 year old narcissistic Yuppie who has never bothered to study the Holocaust, because all you would have to do is replace the word "Palestinians" with "Germans" and it would read like a propaganda headline from Nazi Germany in the '30's.

We must never forget that the Germans considered themselves VICTIMS of the Jews, and the Nazis playing that fake victim card was in fact how they were able to garner popular support for thier horrific final solution to the "Jewish problem".

I haven't been in a Presbyterian church since I was asked to leave for quoting Jesus and agreeing with Calvin in the same sermon. The presbyter(ess) demanding my departure called Jesus a liar (what Jesus clearly said the presbyter(ess) declared Jesus didn't mean) then she denied original sin as understood by the council of Orange and John Calvin. I happily shook the dust of my feet and moved on.

lump him in the same pile with other leftist political Christians, like Jim Wallis, one of Obama's mentors. They are a dangerous bunch. Maybe they should do some research on exactly what the Koran says about Jews and Christians.

You know, every time there's a Muslim terrorist attack some bloggers joke that it's "those pesky Presbyterians again!"

I'm starting to wonder if those words might come true someday soon...

One trip, that's all it took.

http://www.presbyterian.ca/pcconnect/daily/6052

I am one of those "uncritical, simplistic level Christians" (9:40)that this pompous arse obviously has no need for.

That's me gone. Mass for me tomorrow night!

By the Way...I left my comments here:

http://www.presbyterian.ca/contact

That fellow seems to be preaching a bunch of Horst Schmidt.

As a Presbyterian in PCC, I can say that there is a very wide range of political opinion in our church. It is after all the church, not a political party. The Moderator does not represent the political opinion of the entire denomination. In fact he is elected for one year only. From my personal experience, I can testify that many members I know are very conservative politically, and are far from being anti-semetic.
Rob

I can see a legitimate case for both the Israeli and Palestian side.

Which is why, I don't think we(Canada) or whatever Church should support either.

Posted by: Observer at December 23, 2011 2:54 PM

The Neville Chamberlin school of diplomacy...

I just sent the Presbyterians a request to let me know if Rick has a picture of Adolf Hitler on his wall.

Mainstream Protestantism continues its self-inflicted wound of social justice

billypaintbrush at December 24, 2011 1:41 PM

You can make that 'mortal' wound