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November 25, 2011

Emergency At Attawapiskat

Why is there ALWAYS a big screen tv?

Posted by Kate at November 25, 2011 1:34 AM
Comments

#1..David Akin sucks.

#2..Why doesn't anyone on those reserves take responsibility for their own lives and living conditions? It's a question worth asking . And it does not make me a bigot for asking it. I would ask the same question of a non minority sitting back and waiting for everyone else to take care of them. Your situation sucks? You have the power to change it...How you live your life is up to you..for better or worse

Posted by: Soccermom at November 25, 2011 1:53 AM

Interesting the politicians arrived in a nice white Cadillac Escalade.

Hey those houses are bigger than some teepee's I've seen, so what's the catch?

Posted by: johnbrooks at November 25, 2011 1:58 AM

Self Government was a myth. Bring back the old ways of dealing with dysfunction, adding caning to the circle may help.

One Axe, One Gun, and One Blanket is all that is required, under the treaties, of one society to another. The BS must end

A Red Cross intervention demands a complete re-think... What is the role of the Red Cross?

Posted by: Slap Shot at November 25, 2011 2:22 AM

This happens all the time in Alberta. Homes are made. Electricity run into them, with of course washroom facilities. Within 3 years the houses have been destroyed. Made way for live stock to live in the houses. Next comes the shack stage. Notice how many pallets where there? Thats from Lumber & other building material to replace whats been destroyed by them or to add on barns. Toilets are bashes to make watering holes for dogs or cattle.
Like Kate made the observation they don't lack for TV .
When it finally reaches the feudal stage an emergency is declared. By of course the rich band chiefs. so where on the mat again to pay for new homes while the other band members rake in the cash.
This has been going on forever because they don't own a thing. Free money always ends up being abused. If you don't sweat for it, means nothing.
Don't think for one second this NDP leech doesn't know it or is not profiting politically, or even monetary from this self made situation.
Thats why the Government does nothing. They just know in 10 years it will be back to being a tramp town.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at November 25, 2011 2:37 AM

David mentioned that they post the bands financials to their website so I thought I'd have a look see. Well, they do receive 17 mil from the feds, like mentioned, but it also states close to 5 mil from the Province of Ontario. I could've swore the MP said the province didn't contribute anything...

The total annual revenue was close to 35 mil and it claimed they had a 3 and a half mil surplus, guess we know how they paid for the Escalade...

Posted by: Derek at November 25, 2011 2:43 AM

"What is the role of the Red Cross?"

Same as it's always been ... to skim half of the cash.

Posted by: ∞² at November 25, 2011 2:44 AM

You'd think from the NDP take on things these people just fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
Remind me why these people want to be called First Nations.

They've been there a long time but somehow they need to be taken care of now by the Red Cross.
(can I say red or does that make me a racist?)

Posted by: Oz at November 25, 2011 2:52 AM

The Cree Nation should provide expertise to the OWS group in NYC. The OWS have just gone
Indian. A new reserve may be in Order

Posted by: Dumper at November 25, 2011 3:02 AM

Nice how they treat their "revered elders". That says it all.

Posted by: rg at November 25, 2011 3:59 AM

'By of course the rich band chiefs. so where on the mat again to pay for new homes while the other band members rake in the cash.
This has been going on forever because they don't own a thing. Free money always ends up being abused. If you don't sweat for it, means nothing.'

Thank-you Revnant Dream @2:37! All true, it is high time the truth was addressed on these issues.

The chiefs and their pals are taking all the money and they hand out all the money, the chief is all powerful; if the chief does not like a family or a person on the reserve, that family/ person is denied money. A Feudal /Communist system runs the reserves - the entire system should be abolished IMO; the only reason that it still exists is the fact that many people are in the "Indian Business" getting rich themselves from aiding and covering up the corruption within that system. The Yukon is rife with people who are perpetuating the 'myth' that the Chiefs know best; the latter know best if a person is a pal of the chief. Many luxury loving chiefs live in fancy homes off the reserve and hold the people they claim to represent in utter contempt.

Women who live on reserves have no rights whatsoever to property; Dippers and Liberanos with their blocista pals made sure that these women never would have property rights by voting against granting matrimonial rights to women.

Actually nobody except the chief owns anything on a reserve, as Revnant Dream said above - if someone has a nice home or a garden or a flock of chickens and that person is prospering then the locals move in and wreck the place because the reserves hate individual success - poverty/misery is the by product of Communism. The chief owns the power of the purse and he has to surround himself with paid/bribed thugs to maintain that power.
Sickening.

Posted by: Jema 54 at November 25, 2011 4:24 AM

I thought they wanted to live in the stone age, isn't that their culture? If they don`t want to live as stone age hunter gatherers, they are going to have to create an economy where they are, or do what the rest of the world do and move somewhere else. If they do want to live as hunter gatherers part of the charm is the opportunity for dying of starvation frost bite or cholera.

Posted by: minuteman at November 25, 2011 6:36 AM

Attawapiskat?

How about "Atta way to piss atwo-million" (or maybe a whole lot more) government payout that comes your way every year. The conditions at this reserve are clearly due to mismanagement and corruption on the part of the Indian Chiefs.

Thank God for Kelly Block's bill (see post below)

" ... the new bill goes even further than Block's proposal, which would have required annual reporting of all payments made to on-reserve politicians from federal coffers.

"Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan said Bill C-27 will give his office the authority to withhold transfers and even cancel financing agreements if a band refuses to comply with the legislation. It also requires bands to disclose publicly payments made to chiefs and councillors from 'any entity that it controls,' such as a casino or real-estate holdings."

The band elders, it appears, have been fleecing their flocks for a very long time and it's a disgrace. What's especially odious is how quick many of them are to blame "Whitey" for all of their woes.

'Looks like this deplorable state of affairs is about to end.

Posted by: batb at November 25, 2011 7:03 AM

An Escalade?! Outrageous. In the Maritimes, the chief and council live frugally, restricting themselves each year to a new Dodge extended club cab.

Posted by: Roseberry at November 25, 2011 7:06 AM

The TV isn't a symptom. It is the problem. It's the primary source of the filth and sewage.

Change the programming to only dramas and documentaries of Cree living off the land as they used to.

Posted by: WalterF at November 25, 2011 7:25 AM

So when are we going to link the hatred of the white man as a decoy by the indians band chiefs in order to keep the focus off of them so they can continue to steal from there own people ?

There is no doubt in my mind that the chiefs and all those in cahoot's with them teach this racist attitude towards the white man and make it seem as though the whitem an does not give a crap about them , or give enough money to them , when in reality the white man gives way more than they should be ...but the chiefs of all of these indians are ripping there own people off , they are selling there own people out....what a pile of scumbag's!!!!

Posted by: paul in calgary at November 25, 2011 7:27 AM

not to mention indians by nature are savage people there are many exceptions to the rule but they lived off the land for centuries with no problems...butn ow we need to generate our own crisis again for the left wing bleeding heart liberal ...it must be some sort of affirmation therapy where they create and imagined problem and solve it with tax payer dollars and then pat them selves on the back and do a stuart smalley daily affirmation.

Posted by: paul in calgary at November 25, 2011 7:31 AM

What ever happened to the idea of working for a living and taking care of your family, your pets,your property?

Posted by: Liz J at November 25, 2011 7:47 AM

The whole discussion was about which government level was the problem.

Same old whitey, racist colonial attitude from these two idiots . . ignore the indian because we know what is best for you.

It would never enter their thin gruel minds that the village is a self inflicted wound. That just can't be. Has to someone else's fault.

And the worst part of this kind of racism is that after awhile, the locals start to believe it and become helpless and lose the will to solve their own problems.

Posted by: Fred at November 25, 2011 8:34 AM

I'm suspicious of this video. Notice how they show the same three or four buildings over and over but in the back ground you can see some nice homes.
There is reason these people are living in these shacks but they don't give us any background. Probably an attempt to extort some more money from the white man. I agree with Revnant Dream.

Posted by: EA Munroe at November 25, 2011 8:37 AM

We should be praising these communities as examples of the logical ends of socialism. Everyone is equal. The government takes "care" of everything. There are no rich people.

Posted by: Norman at November 25, 2011 8:39 AM

Behold, total dependency on govt and a complete lack of self-sufficiency. How tragic.

An equal tragedy, if not greater: That the band gets millions each year, I presume, and the people live in squalor.

Can we see the Chief's home, please?

Posted by: Mark at November 25, 2011 8:41 AM

Revnant Dream's post reminds me of similar situations with the Inu of Labrador.

Some years back, the NL govt built modern, warm bungalows in Nain, I think it was. Within days, people had torn out the main living room window and the back patio door from some houses so that they might drive their snow machines up into the house and unload their game, wood, etc.

Of course, the gaping holes meant snow getting into the houses, corrupting the framing, floors, electrical, etc. and in time creating mould issues. And so you'd have an $80K home that would last 100 years if maintained properly being condemned five years after its construction.

And then the govt would build more homes.

Posted by: Mark at November 25, 2011 8:44 AM

Where is the Chief while his/her people are living in this type of squalor?


Posted by: Liz J at November 25, 2011 8:46 AM

It is all very sad. But why is it a government responsibility

Doesn’t the aboriginal culture have a history of teepee living?
What is the local industry that the people work at?
What is their average wage?
Do these people not have some responsibility for their own welfare?
Where do the Chief and band Councillors live?

I’ve seen it in Africa, I’ve seen it in the Middle East and I see it in Canada. The tribal system cannot produce the economic wealth produced by the Anglo Saxon world. What I see there is what I expect from the tribal system; and as long as we and they support and call for a tribal system, that is what the outcome will be.

Look at what is happening on reserves that are going into business mode. There are several throughout the West. They are on their way up.

Posted by: rroe at November 25, 2011 9:11 AM

They've got a bigger TV than I do.

There is no reason to live in such untidy squalor. If you can't even pick up clothes from the floor, you don't deserve help.

Posted by: grok at November 25, 2011 9:13 AM

And how exactly is the Chief and the band spending the millions they get each year??? We could drop hundreds of mini-homes and within a year the plumbing would be ripped out, the wood studs burned for fire wood and by year five those homes would look exactly like the ones they're currently living in.

Posted by: Rose at November 25, 2011 9:14 AM

Wow, you'd think this was breaking news or something. They were living like that 35 years ago - minus the big-screen TVs of course.

Plus que ca change.

And yes, Soccermom, David Akin just doesn't fit on Sun News.

Posted by: Jamier MacMaster at November 25, 2011 9:14 AM

Wow, you'd think this was breaking news or something. They were living like this 35 years ago - minus the big-screen TVs of course. Glad to see a wee bit of our $10 billion is filtering down to the needy in the form of necessities.

Plus que ca change.

And yes, Soccermom, David Akin just doesn't fit on Sun News.

Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at November 25, 2011 9:17 AM

Um...Whose white Cadillac Escalade is that in the video?

Posted by: een at November 25, 2011 9:30 AM

How many people are on this reserve? Are they seriously telling me that with 17 million per year, they can't take care of business??

Posted by: GB at November 25, 2011 9:31 AM

The only solution to the Rez is the ownership of private property. The reason no mortgages will be given is that they cannot be registered. Have you ever tried to repossess a car or snowmobile from the rez? Have you ever tried to sue an indian for civil damages? It cant be done. This and the theft of rez money by others are the reasons they live in shard.

Posted by: cd at November 25, 2011 9:32 AM

Hey MSM ... including Sun , try asking the chiefs where all the money went !

http://www.wawataynews.ca/node/10020

"We were trying to get as much out of it as possible," Carpenter said. Citing confidentiality as a reason which prevented him from identifying specific aspects of the IBA, Carpenter said a one-time payment of about $14 million will be made for jobs and training for positions beyond general labour.

This was the figure hinted at in 2005 , so it could easily have doubled .. or more , but per the chief's demand it is hidden by a confidentiality clause.

Posted by: Brian at November 25, 2011 9:33 AM

Revnant Dream and Jema 54, the same situation exists in Saskatchewan.

The reserve south of Saskatoon where John Duncan, Kelly Block and Chief Darcy Bear made the announcement, as well as some others scattered throughout the country, are startling contrasts to the Attawapiskat reserve.

Their TV is bigger than ours. In that small house it would be like parking your car right under the big drive-in screen. I realize that some here might not know what a "drive-in" screen is. :-)

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at November 25, 2011 9:38 AM

I'm not an accountant, but they are posting -some- financial statements online. Any interpreters out there? For $25 mil in income, they sure carry mucho debt. What do they have to show for it?

http://www.attawapiskat.org/wp-content/uploads/2011-Consolidated-Finanacial-Statements.pdf

Posted by: DanBC at November 25, 2011 9:55 AM

If a comment starts with "um" I usually don't read it

Posted by: kdl at November 25, 2011 9:58 AM

Having lived on 2 reserves in my youth, I saw first hand how the Chiefs, the elders, and their relatives lived. They got every thing and the rest got next to nothing. The other thing is Indians have a lot of babies, who carry on the tradition of the white man has wronged us and owes us everything we can get from them. It will never change for these people no matter how much money they get, unless they are lucky enough to get a leader like Clarence Louie.

Posted by: Alan at November 25, 2011 10:28 AM

There are two ways of looking at this, and both are extremely positive. One way is that the reserves have achieved what the OWS demonstrators desire for our society - an end to the "evil" of inequality. (Except for the leaders, of course - some are definitely more equal than others.) The other way is to compare those homes with what my parents and older siblings grew up in - they are pretty much the same, except for the TV. My parents did very well, and my older sibs have had great lives, and are very wealthy. If we follow the reasoning that your early circumstances dictate your future, these folks should do just fine all on their own. The Greatest Generation started in similar surroundings.

Posted by: first timer at November 25, 2011 10:30 AM

Canada spends about $9 billion a year on Aboriginals. For what? Aboriginal self-government is obviously not working. For that kind of money -- every freaking year! -- every pissant reserve in Canada should have treated water and sewer and good housing.

Where in hell does the money go? Audits of band councils is a good way to start finding out.

In the meantime, send in emergency aid, such as we did in Haiti, to help those poor people. They are fellow Canadians and no one in this country should have to live like that unless they choose to (hello Occupiers).

Posted by: JMD at November 25, 2011 10:31 AM

"Why is there ALWAYS a big screen tv?"

That's simple, because drywall, shingles and siding are no fun to look at and require way to much assembly. You just have to take the big screen out of the box, plug it in and voila...instant gratification.

Posted by: syncrodox at November 25, 2011 10:35 AM

1300 on the reserve with $34,000,000 revenue. That's $26,000 per capita or over $100,000 per family of 4. The Red Cross is so full of $h!t. Why are they wasting money on such wealthy people?

Posted by: Scar at November 25, 2011 10:43 AM

Jema 54 @4:24 - "The chiefs and their pals are taking all the money and they hand out all the money, the chief is all powerful; if the chief does not like a family or a person on the reserve, that family/ person is denied money."

I used to be friendly with a few women from the Shubenacadie reserve here in Nova Scotia. I can remember it being dropped casually into conversation, things like: "Oh, my boyfriend can't get any work, he's not related to anyone on the council." Not complaining, just c'est la vie. I don't claim to know more than I do, I haven't spent time in one of these places or anything, but it does seem to be like a communist system, and the chiefs and council members are the nomenklatura. Canada spends a lot to maintain these people in squalor. (The stories you hear. A girl I used to know quite well: Her teenage brother got ahold of some bad drugs and blew his head off. She'd had a bad time growing up because she was half-white. How could anyone raise their child on a reserve? Outright child abuse.)

The closest I've ever personally seen, in a very protected and limited way, was during two weeks spent at an Aboriginal community (they move around too much for it to called a "reserve") in the Northern Territory in Australia. The local kids used to form themselves into kiddie-gangs distinguished by the brand of gasoline they liked to huff. Like Indians, they don't tend to have the enzymes necessary to metabolize alcohol properly, so they've got that fun situation going on too.

Tribal collectivism can't work in the modern world.

Posted by: Black Mamba at November 25, 2011 10:44 AM

I spent time living up in the Arctic in various villages.


Many people were very upset because they saw pictures of suburbs in southern Canada - nice houses & lots of cars and told me that was proof the whiteman was racist because the government gave much better housing to people down south.

They would not believe me when I explained about people buying their own houses because it was so far divorced from their reality of government supplying everything, they simply could not accept it.

Posted by: Fred at November 25, 2011 10:58 AM

There's always a big screen TV because they keep having to hold those pesky band elections.

Posted by: A. Cooper at November 25, 2011 11:13 AM

@Scar

You beat me to it!
$34 million a year for about 1300 people.

If ordinary citizens had this much money spent on us per capita, Harper would have to increase spending by over $100 billion dollars a year!

Posted by: jeff at November 25, 2011 11:14 AM

"@Scar

You beat me to it!
$34 million a year for about 1300 people."

Tax free money as well . . . you can really stretch a dollar when Ottawa and Toronto are scraping their % off the top.

Posted by: Fred at November 25, 2011 11:16 AM

I can only imagine one other racial group that would allow themselves to live like that. Nearly all human beings take big and strong acton to clean up their homes and communities and figure out how to raise their living standard so their kids don't get sick and die in the squalor … that would be the residents of Haiti, New Orleans, Detroit and most the rest of Africa.

And it's not as though they aren't getting billions upon billions of tax payer dollars to do just that.

You can explain it to those folks, but you can understand it for them.

Perhaps those groups still some evolving to do. The do-gooders on the left that accommodate and even perpetuate this nightmare, do subscribe to evolution do they not? Perhaps they need to do a study here because this is not normal and it's not even human..

How anyone explain these situations to exist in North America at this time in history. Perhaps if people don't have the will to live, we should not interfere. So far nothing has worked.

And what the hell is David Akin doing playing the role of an NDPr? Shouldn't he be yelling at the Chiefs who get the largesse and not the government?
Just askin'.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 25, 2011 11:33 AM

I'll restrain myself from the banality of the big screen TV sneer and merely ask:

What exactly is the federal political calculus which perpetuates this forever and ever, amen, regardless of who's in power?

This is not a rhetorical question. I genuinely don't understand the political risk of speaking the truth about the moral and social destruction of welfare and the inveitable hopelessness of a no-property zone.

Is a perpetuation of this human tragedy necessary for the acquisition and/or retention of political power?

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at November 25, 2011 11:49 AM

That was a disappointing story from Sun-TV. They were supposed to be different than the rest of the MSM,but in this case,have become just like the people they mock.

The reporting was very incomplete,as others have said,where was the Chief's house,why did they show only a small section of the Reserve,and why didn't the Reporters ask the Chief how much money they received and where it went.

This was as badly done as any propaganda piece on CBC.

Turn this story over to Ezra Levant, and let's hear the real story. With over 20 million a year spent on the Reserve,it just doesn't add up that people are living in such squalor, and it isn't the White Man's fault.

I was raised in an are surrounded by five Reserves,and am well aware of the communist-style government and the corruption that goes on. Too bad Akin and Sun-TV just repeated the same talking points,"Natives are victims,all the time, and somehow it's the White Man's fault.

Disappointing.

Posted by: dmorris at November 25, 2011 11:54 AM

Come on people these are the keepers of the earth. And I have proof. Every day on the way to work thousands of us working class morgage payers watched as they built a beautiful west coast style home on the Reservation in Victoria. Then we watched it being destroyed to the point where it became unliveable. Then it got torched ( So you see it was a house fire not the band trashing there own homes) and know its a beutiful(trash strewn) meadow with a big concrete hole in the ground. KEEPERS OF THE EARTH yup

Posted by: shawn taylor at November 25, 2011 12:37 PM

Logical end result of socialism. The bread part is the same as Rome, the TV is the circus part.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 25, 2011 12:52 PM

The left would rather raise taxes to pay for billion dollar gun registries and send millions of dollars to Haiti & Africa, much of which disappears in its course.

The Liberal progressive movement has been active committing genocide against aboriginal Canadians through welfare and subsequent drug dependency, along with the mass importation of third world multiculturalism to insure the destruction of these people.

Posted by: Knight 99 at November 25, 2011 12:56 PM

In the immediate situation, the Federal government needs to step in right away and provide some sort of relief.

Longer term, I just don't see how a system of self-perpetuated apartheid on the margins of mainstream society can ever work to the benefit of First Nations peoples.*

Well, at least not without a casino and good lines of communication to the outside world.

Posted by: JJM at November 25, 2011 1:30 PM

In the immediate situation, the Federal government needs to step in right away and provide some sort of relief.

Nonsense, the early settlers lived in worse conditions, and survived.

Posted by: fiddle at November 25, 2011 1:35 PM

Fiddle >

“Nonsense, the early settlers lived in worse conditions, and survived.”

True, but the problem lays in the liberalized welfare drug and crime situation that finds itself on city streets, mostly in gang form. Then it’s not an Indian problem but our problem. The poor government dependant reserves are hatcheries for gangs that are fuelled by liberal handouts, not allot differently than American inner city ghettos for the blacks.

This reserve/ entitlement situation will solve itself in time with the massive third world immigration that will absolutely not honour age old “white man’s” treaties once they collectively gain control of parliament while representing independent cultural communities.

You see it happening already today with ethnic MP’s fighting for the entitlement rights of grandparents coming from India for example. Take a look at any of these third world countries today and see how they treat their own people, especially any ethnic aboriginals.

The progressive left has insured the cultural destruction of native aboriginals along with our own through these means. It’s all just a matter of time.

Posted by: Knight 99 at November 25, 2011 2:22 PM

JJM
"In the immediate situation, the Federal government needs to step in right away and provide some sort of relief"

The have $100,000 annually for a family of 4 to provide municipal services. Give me an effing break.

Posted by: Scar at November 25, 2011 2:29 PM

The problem with Attawaspiskat is that it is was an attempt to form a town where no town existed. The people were nomads who fished in the summer and trapped in the winter. Attawaspikat was where they camped on a temporary basis. Then a plywood village was shipped in there in the late sixties and early seventies and with plenty of government aid, the population increased. But political correctness has eliminated the revenue from trapping, and nobody wants to eat fish every day. There is zero chance of growing anything to eat, so everything is shipped in, generally by air. So groceries cost four or five times what they would closer to civilization, as does everything else, including the plywood shacks which have fallen apart after forty years of sub-arctic weather. Only continued subsidization will allow these people to stay there.
The most obvious solution would be to move them all the hell out of there to someplace where they could do something useful to society as a whole. But that's probably the most politically incorrect solution of all.

Posted by: kakola at November 25, 2011 2:48 PM

I dunno, maybe the hypocrisy of not cleaning up our own backyard in regards to gov't supplied handouts strikes a chord with the Indian. Medicare is a good example. Public education is another.

Posted by: fiddle at November 25, 2011 2:53 PM

I used to live in Timmins, and I would go up to Fort Albany, Kashetchewan, Attawapiskat and Peawanuk to take school pictures and family photos, so I'd spend a couple of days in each town. This was before the diamond mines opened, so the only wealth that went up there was from transfer payments. Every few years, all the houses would have to be rebuilt, but there was no sense of ownership, because everything was simply rationed out, and the new buildings were pulled apart almost as quickly as they were built.

I used to marvel at the poverty. Maintaining these communities is like maintaining a colony on the moon. Everything has to be flown in, and maintaining a household at the poverty level in an 1100 square foot home in Attawapiskat takes about as much money as maintaining a nice little place of 2800 square feet in Rosedale.

And the folks there are unhappy. They see the wealth down south and wonder why they don't have it. Every possible attempt is made to extract it from outsiders and visitors. At one point, I had to hire a boat to take the 50 yard trip across the river from Fort Albany to Kashetchewan. It cost me $40, (at the time I was making the princely sum of $22000 a year as a photographer).

There is a real atmosphere of indignation in these communities: they feel cheated, and yet the money flowing into these communities is simply staggering. Every day, buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken are flown in along with the other staples. Twice a year, each family is given an allowance and then flown into Timmins for a week to stock up on household goods, (which have to be flown back).

Everyone lived a lifestyle of comparative poverty when compared to the rest of Canada, and yet it cost as much as it would to live like a prince in Toronto, so there was simply no conception of the relative value of things.

And I believe the Cree people in these communities are being ripped off and put upon; they are gentle, mind-boggingly patient, and far from pushy. The trouble is, they're frustrated with the wrong people. They think their troubles originate with the government in Ottawa, and no one questions the lack of transparency of their own leadership.

It's curious that these communities are even there in the first place. They grew up around trading posts built by the Hudson Bay Company in the failed experiment of the north-west passage, but by now most of the locals consider themselves indigenous, and are attached to the land - even if it makes them the inheritors of the dreariest landscape outside of the Gobi desert.

I had hoped that the diamond mines would bring real wealth to the Cree, but it looks like that hasn't worked out.

There are no easy answers to the problems facing native communities in the north, but considering the rate of growth in the population, (a town of 1400 would have 400 children enrolled in elementary school), it's a really bad idea to simply throw money at the problem and hope it will go away.

Posted by: Christopher Ivey at November 25, 2011 2:57 PM

fiddle >

"..the hypocrisy of not cleaning up our own backyard in regards to gov't supplied handouts strikes a chord with the Indian."


Exactly, though not just with the Indian, but allot of other people as well. I'm not advocating more welfare to be sure, but we need to get our heads out of these third world shitholes and start focusing on our own backyard as you pointed out.

For starters we need to tell the First Nations that they are either in or out of Canada, they’ve had enough time to decide. Out means self government, zero help, and defined borders. In means no entitlements and Indian peoples are treated with the same societal structure as everyone else.

Canada does not belong to the Indian, they lost the war and came out in pretty good standing with allot of private and crown land to use at their disposal. Canada the nation was founded by our European ancestors, it does not belong to anyone outside of the society that was created and inherited, save for those that contribute and are invited in. We aren’t inviting in contributors anymore.

Posted by: Knight 99 at November 25, 2011 4:36 PM

What is it with Akin that he has lefty guests but doesn't challenge them. He really is a misfit on Sun News - too long in the Parliamentary Press Gallery maybe?

Posted by: Aviator at November 25, 2011 5:24 PM

Make a standing offer to very status Indian who finishes High School: a one time $250,000 lump sum, tax-free payment on the condition that they forfeit their status forever.

Just ecome another contributing Canadian.

Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at November 25, 2011 5:45 PM

Sorry, lots of Big Trucks in the drive ways. I am suspicious. This not the first time for this place, I believe.

Also, what conditions did these folk live in duuring the 18th or 19th C?

Posted by: Robert of Ottawar at November 25, 2011 6:36 PM

"Why is there ALWAYS a big screen tv?"

At a guess, because WE'RE paying for it?

Posted by: Ellie in T.O. at November 25, 2011 6:55 PM

David Akin is the scrap thrown to the left-lib dogs. They snarl anyway.

So, SunTV, why bother? Akin doesn't fit, and he's extremely annoying.

Posted by: batb at November 25, 2011 7:04 PM

The best thing Harper could do for the Indians is tear up the treaties, stop the money flow, end the entitlements, and make the Indians Canadian citizens, no more and no less than any other Canadian citizen.

Posted by: Ennkidu at November 25, 2011 7:19 PM

They get 17 Million dollars a year for sewage and water.....yet have none...it must be self govenment....follow the money.. then you will know why...this is bullshit of highest order..

Posted by: kenE. at November 25, 2011 9:24 PM

It's actually closer to $25 million....pretty soon we're talking real money.

Yes, there's something crooked on that reserve, most reserves for that matter.

Our native brothers prove again and again, they are just as corrupt as anybody else

Posted by: DanBC at November 25, 2011 9:41 PM

Many years ago, flew into a native community en route to my summer job across the river. Small commnunity; maybe a dozen homes. What got to me was that only one home - that of the schoolteacher - had running water and - if I remember correctly - any sort of sewage other than an outhouse. Was appalled then; am stil now.

That being said, I strongly believe various communities have to take responsibility for the delapidated state of their housing. It was delivered to them in good repair; it is up to the community to keep it in good repair.

I must admit, however, that it is easier to plug a relatively cheap big screen TV into the local currant bush than it is to insert a toilet into a non-existent sewage system.

Posted by: Frances at November 25, 2011 9:54 PM

C'mon, Frances. Don't you think with the kind of money flowing into every Native Reserve every year, they could afford a decent sewage system? Does the Canadian taxpayer have to pay for that too?

How much of that money goes into drugs, alcohol, Caribbean vacations, and the bank accounts of the so-called Native "leaders"?

It's well-documented that if people get something for nothing, they don't take care of, or responsibility for, said service, item, whatever. That "something for nothing," however, always costs somebody, and in the case of Native Canadians, it's the ROC who foots the bill.

Posted by: batb at November 25, 2011 10:49 PM

The only way to solve this problem would be to seize all children born to mothers on reserves (and sterilize those women who had FAS kids) and raise them in an environment where they could look forward to something more than sniffing gasoline in an unheated shack without indoor plumbing.

I've talked to Native Indians who credit residential schools with giving them the start they needed in life. There's no congenital cognitive deficiency that this race has and they're capable of the same achievements as the rest of us if they grow up under the right conditions.

All of the Indians should be given a choice: either go back to living in teepee's and living off the land in a specified wilderness area or move into the 21'st century. Most of the Indians I see where I live seem to be doing quite well financially and are off the reserve. Hopefully PMSH will have the balls to terminate the Indian industry once and for all.

Posted by: Loki at November 25, 2011 11:36 PM

Loki said: "The only way to solve this problem would be to seize all children born to mothers on reserves..."

That's what my Grandparents said about the Irish. Its been done, it doesn't work. "Stop sending welfare money" might work, or it might not, but at least it would be cheaper and the Indians wouldn't be any worse off. If they want to watch their kids starve out in the bush because "Its Their Land!", call me a racist, but I'd say that'd be their problem.

Because you know what? I had to move to get a job and support myself. Repeatedly. Hell, I had to leave the country of my birth and emigrate to America for a good long while.

I just can't seem to work up a tear for the poor Natives if gee whiz, THEY might have to frickin' move too. Grow up and grow a pair.

Free country means you are free to do what you need to do to look after yourself, it doesn't mean free lunch.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 26, 2011 12:54 PM

Phantom, if the children were the progeny of white mothers living in the same abominable conditions they would be seized by child welfare agencies. There's a double standard at work here but I guess we shouldn't interfere with the Native Indian culture which cherishes the production of FAS kids whose only ability seems to be to produce more FAS kids. IMO, we've fulfilled our treaty obligations and the next step should be to leave the Indians with title to their reserves and let them sell off or rent pieces to raise money.

Posted by: Loki at November 28, 2011 2:18 AM
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