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August 31, 2011

Free Free Dominion!

Via Mark Lemire;

The Ontario Superior Court of Justice has just tossed out a defamation action by John Baglow (Internet Blogger Dr. Dawg) against Mark & Connie Fournier of FreeDominion. The Ontario court was very clear when dismissing the allegations put forth by Baglow. The court dismissed the Defamation Action and ordered Baglow to pay costs to the Fourniers.

Full decision - and fairly amusing flamewar chronicle - here. (pdf)

This is awkward: At the bottom of Page 3 and the top of Page 4 of the PDF it is revealed that Baglow started also posting as "Ms. Mew" in an effort to support his primary alias, "Dr. Dawg".

Posted by Kate at August 31, 2011 8:56 AM
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Protection for anonymous postings is certainly not an absolute, but a high threshold that requires prima facie evidence supporting the plaintiff’s claim is critical to ensuring that a proper balance is struck between the rights of a plaintiff (whether in a defamation or copyright case) and/or the privacy and free speech rights of the poster.

Thank you-
Mark & Connie Fournier of FreeDominion
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Now if we can get gunrunner Eric Holder DoJ and his Great Wall of Socialism Leader removed from office the American internet will also be a better medium.

Posted by: Fearless Leader at August 31, 2011 9:08 AM

And surprisingly the free speech warrior Baglow has his finger on the "ban button"...heh heh, has there ever been a bigger lump than this guy.

Posted by: Mahmood at August 31, 2011 9:10 AM

Good!

One down with one to go.

Or has the Warman issue with Connie and Mark Fournier been withdrawn or settled?

Just wondering.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at August 31, 2011 9:13 AM

And that is why we need ALL speech cases to be handled by the Courts and not the Commissions of Hurt Feelings.

Posted by: Mark at August 31, 2011 9:14 AM

CHC..

Commissions of Hurt Feelings

bottled water dribbled on my chin with that.. ha.

Posted by: Fearless Leader at August 31, 2011 9:21 AM

I'm on page 9. This is great reading!

Posted by: Eagle at August 31, 2011 9:24 AM

And the Professor of Hurt Feelings loses. Oh, the humanity!

I LOL'd, what a great way to start a week.

Posted by: Karthanon at August 31, 2011 10:04 AM

I am happy that Free Dominion has had its court costs covered. Maybe that will shut down some of these sue happy folks.

Posted by: Dwayne at August 31, 2011 10:14 AM

"where personal insults are regularly part of the debate"

I guess the old line "don't piss with the puppies if you're going to play with the wolves" applies to Dawg, who has always freely insulted the _PM and his conservative bases.

I sense the judge didn't have much patience for this behaviour.

Posted by: langmann at August 31, 2011 10:22 AM

Socialists would rather eat their children than part with their OWN money for anything that is not a personal feel-good item that they simply could not get the government to pay for.

That this pig, Dr. Dawg has to cough up HIS cash to his mortal enemies after losing his case ... is icing on the cake. You know, the cake the Fourniers have and are eating too.

Posted by: Abe Froman at August 31, 2011 10:24 AM

As someone who has been personally attacked by this despicable, loathsome fellow, I have ZERO sympathy whatsoever.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at August 31, 2011 10:28 AM

Good news indeed, go Mark and Connie and thankyou for carrying the shield called free speech.

Posted by: Rose at August 31, 2011 10:34 AM

Woopie! Let's hope the message is crystal clear to the mangy mutt's cohorts as well. The left's ugly hatred has come home to roost.

Posted by: Louise at August 31, 2011 10:43 AM

Mahmood at 9:10 AM: "...has there ever been a bigger lump than this guy."

And a steaming pile it is, too.

Posted by: Louise at August 31, 2011 10:45 AM

Interesting insight: At the bottom of Page 3 and the top of Page 4 of the PDF it is revealed that Baglow started also posting as "Ms. Mew" in an effort to support his primary alias, "Dr. Dawg".

Might have been better to wait for a real woman to post such support, rather than pretending to be one himself!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at August 31, 2011 10:51 AM

Ok, this just makes the rest of the day pass that much slower, now that I have to wait until I get home to read this!

Posted by: AtlanticJim at August 31, 2011 11:09 AM

First Sid Ryan and now dr. dawg. Unionists are taking it on the chin $$$ wise.

Posted by: The LS from SK at August 31, 2011 11:17 AM

They wave around the STATE like a blind-drunk with a loaded gun in a crowded mall. They believe the STATE is THEIR tool, THEIR friend. To progressives the STATE is another weapon to be used to rob us of our rights and freedoms, only for one narcissistic moment to be holstered when its purpose is served; to silence every voice that doesn't believe in their beloved socialist death culture.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. "

IN Your FACE Dog Breath !!!!

Posted by: richfisher at August 31, 2011 11:25 AM

Seems to me the judge wasn't impressed by Dr. Dawg adopting the Ms. Mew persona in a attempt to frame the defamation issue.

Too smrt by half.

Moral of the story...When you're losing an internet debate don't act like a pussy.

Posted by: syncrodox at August 31, 2011 11:42 AM

What happened with Sid Ryan of late? I just did a search but found nothing related to him having to pay up for something. What am I missing?

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at August 31, 2011 11:46 AM

LOL wow I love the smell of butthurt in the morning.

Posted by: dwright at August 31, 2011 11:50 AM

Robert, keep an eye on Coren's new show. He has stated that he intends to have Ryan on fairly regularly.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at August 31, 2011 12:14 PM

Bad dawg! No Ban Hammer for you!

Posted by: Ken Finney at August 31, 2011 12:14 PM

The PDF is just beautiful. :)

Posted by: Mark at August 31, 2011 12:30 PM

Ha! I remember "Ms. Mew" submitting some of the typical progressive garbage comments on this site at one point. To chicken shit to use his primary alias?

Posted by: Chairman Kaga at August 31, 2011 12:43 PM

No Kaga... too chicken shit to use his real name.

Posted by: Mark at August 31, 2011 12:48 PM

I like the decision in that it states that attaching ones opinions is not the same as attacking the individual. Freedom of speech gives us the right to dissent on opinions and is not the same as slandering the individual.

One thing as a parent and educator that I have learned is attack the behaviour not the individual if you are going to affect change in the individual.

Posted by: Dennis K at August 31, 2011 1:10 PM

He's more upset about being called a vocal supporter of the Taliban, than being called a "TRAITOR"? (p. 6 - Aug 10) Fascinating.

Posted by: Rocky View Redneck at August 31, 2011 1:21 PM

This is a great day for schadenfreude! (What kind of a man posts as "Ms. Mew", anyway?)

Posted by: Black Mamba at August 31, 2011 1:40 PM

Dr. Dawg won't have to pay a dime of his own money. Some NGO or whatnot will pick up the tab, or he'll go for a few lunches with union thugs and be awarded a generous 'consulting fee'.

No doubt this is a battle won for free speech. But for defendants the process is the punishment, and until there is concrete punishment for those attempting to use the courts as a personal censor, this nonsense will continue.

Posted by: max at August 31, 2011 2:08 PM

Chairman Kaga @12:43 - I wonder if the "Ms. Mew" who posted here briefly really was Bagelow. S/he seemed very prim and rather understated and mainly concerned about statistical breakdowns of poll results (as I remember). She wasn't stupid. I'm not deeply familiar with Bagelow's oeuvre, but it doesn't seem quite the same. Actually, I'd had Davenport down as "Ms. Mew".

Might be a coincidence.


Update on my own comment, even as I write it! (That's efficiency): I just googled this blog's name together with the feline alias. This is from July 2009, more than a year (as I understand things) before "Ms. Mew" was commenting at Free Dominion. Check out "Zog" @1:15AM and then "MsMew" @2:04, and afterwards

Posted by: Black Mamba at August 31, 2011 2:29 PM

Very competent judge.

Posted by: Mazzuchelli at August 31, 2011 2:30 PM

What we see here is a clear lesson in why the progressives are fighting so hard for the HRCs. The courts have no time or patience with matters that waste the court's time, and that's what happened here. They make findings based upon the law.

However the HRCs have no such restrictions, obeying no meaningful rules of evidence, no professional code of standards for judgment and applying a presumption of guilt by accusation.

As for Baglow, it's all too appropriate that his a$$hole just met his ears.

He bin KICKED!

Dick, he can consider his options all he wants. That's simply the mandatory 30 day period to file an appeal. What his lawyer is going to tell him is to drop it and take his lumps. The appeal court rarely overturns summary judgments throwing out cases. Pursuing it to appeals would simply add to the damages he owes when they throw it out.

Max, maybe. But someone's still going to pay and that's justice enough.

Posted by: cgh at August 31, 2011 2:35 PM

About page 15, my paraphrasing: parties should defend themselves in debate before resorting to the state or courts.

Self defense is not only a right, but an obligation.

Posted by: WalterF at August 31, 2011 2:43 PM

It's releaving to see the courts take little interest in these internet pissing matches that the sue happy culture warriors get themselves into.

Today some good people were vindicated, an unworthy ego was spanked and I regained a little respect for the judiciary.

Posted by: Occam at August 31, 2011 2:48 PM

Dr. Dawg should have to pay the legal costs by working for a charity of the plaintiffs' choice at minimum wage. It's a win-win, the defendants get compensated and Dr. Dawg gets to feel good about helping his community.

Posted by: max at August 31, 2011 2:52 PM

Er.. rather a charity of the judge's choice.

Posted by: max at August 31, 2011 3:04 PM

Yes, he posts here as a catty little boy.

Posted by: Kate at August 31, 2011 3:11 PM


Ahhh, page 16, as the hammer comes down on his head.

Your right Eagle, dayyam good lil read.
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Posted by: Ratt at August 31, 2011 3:25 PM

So Dawg, (we know yer reading this!) I guess that would make us Yokels with a pitchfork in one hand and the scales of justice in the other?

Posted by: AtlanticJim at August 31, 2011 3:48 PM

PS,

Am I the only one who finds the use of blog nom de plumes in legal documents just a tad bit surreal?

Posted by: AtlanticJim at August 31, 2011 3:53 PM

My take on this (as a stake-holder) is that the days of lawfare are numbered ... the judge in this case has made some very clear case law that pretty much blows all sorts of cherished leftist concepts out of the water. In other words, he has restored adult supervision to a field that for several years seems to have been maintained by girl guides and lost boys. About time, it goes along with our having left the Warsaw Pact and rejoining NATO five years ago.

Next thing you know, we'll lose three hundred of our internal hi-jackers to Cuba. Hope they know how to harvest sugar cane.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at August 31, 2011 4:40 PM


H/T to Black Mamba, that presented a whole new perspective of Dawg and MsMew. And, all this time I never knew ET was a she. I just assumed anyone debating/commenting with such veracity was a male pitbull. My bad.

Posted by: Ratt at August 31, 2011 5:01 PM

This case kinda reminds me of a CHRC complaint between Beeches something or other and someone else apparently unknown offended an online moniker thus Beeches what ever filed a complaint but no one showed up for the roo trial.

Posted by: Rose at August 31, 2011 5:21 PM

And what happened to Jay Currie anyway? I went on holidays a few months ago and he has completely diappeared from the net. I miss him as a daily read, and haven't found another newish good Canadian blog.

Posted by: ld at August 31, 2011 5:49 PM

Dawgmeister's favorite style of nitpicking detail wrangling and Lefty goalpost-moving didn't go down well with a judge?

Say it ain't so, Johnny!

Posted by: The Phantom at August 31, 2011 7:39 PM

I,m just enjoying the victory of Mark & Connie Fournier of FreeDominion. They have done a service to all INTERNET users. If not for free speech rights in the Dominion.
Harpers Bill 51 I trust, will also be nixed in court.
A big laugh at all the leftists who support fascism in the guise of progressivism.
As for the Dawg. He was just Camel blessed.
Enjoy the paying your victims back.
Great reading.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at August 31, 2011 8:04 PM

Well, Dawg has banned me repeatedly from his place despite my civility and remaining on topic...so I guess there is some cosmic karma in his effectively being banned by the courts.

What goes around comes around.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 at August 31, 2011 9:03 PM

@robert W (Vancouver).

You mean this Sid Ryan?

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1044653

Posted by: The LS from SK at August 31, 2011 9:07 PM

I find it hard to believe that anyone would find a "reasonable likelihood of damage to his reputation" here. Is anyone on either the left or the right likely to change his or her opinion much? I doubt it. His union clients won't stop dealing with him, and I suspect any newspaper would still be willing to run a good well-written column, which he is certainly capable of.

Posted by: nv53 at September 1, 2011 12:25 AM

Id - Blazing Cat Fur said that Jay Currie is taking some time off, but he'll be back.

Posted by: Black Mamba at September 1, 2011 8:14 AM

RE:"Dawg has banned me repeatedly from his place despite my civility and remaining on topic. . ."

Like, who hasn't been?

-barn

Posted by: barn E. rubble at September 1, 2011 9:02 AM
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