So true. Its why I don't blame Muslims for taking advantage of a system we allowed.
By comprimising our principles for Quebec first, we allowed ourselves in for a ride from Hell.
Trudeau was the facilitator for our on madness.
The Dealer behind the PC junkie. Said this for years.
JMO

The NDP has been taken over by Quebec separatists and is now led by one of them. The switching their votes to the NDP from the Bloc has given them official opposition status. Kent

Ahh the NDP & Turmel.

Ties to the BQ/PQ.
Lies to the rest of Canada.

So Progressive of them.

kent @ 4.49 nails it.

This is not Canada's choice, nor is it appeasment on the part of the RoC. A 5th column has taken over the NDP and that (not Layton's being caught in a rub n' tug) explains what happened in the election. As usual, the Quebecois were well in front of it and knew exactly what to do to preserve their special status.

now, apparently, out newest party leader/separatist is saying that she has not quit her membership in the separatist party but her membership card is in her wallet and they can have it back anytime they want. Even Smilin' Jack couldn't do the double talk with such a straight face.

It's funny to watch the NDP defend themselves about something they don't care about. They concern themselves about the so-called oppressed and social justice, and that evil little troll Turmel is a great leader for that. Any high level union leader cares far more about class warfare than they do about nationalism or patriotism...unless it's Quebec or palestine. Then they snap to attention and salute the flag.
Can't remember the wording, but deference to Quebec's every whine and cry is part of their official policy.

Publius nails it.

Haul down the Lion and the Unicorn and hang up a jellyfish and a sheep...suitably neutered of course.

Oh wait a minute, you mean the out-of-touch Marxists in parliament include a few separatists?

Oh no, everything was going so well until this.

Please, please separate!

Blog membership is nothing. She was a card-carrying member of Quebec solidaire. As a former President of PSAC, 2000-2006, she threatened the government with a national federal public sector strike unless the government coughed up millions in contributions to the union to fight the government's globalization programs, i.e. international bilateral and multilateral trade negotiations. She was and is a communist.

Peter, compared to Turmel, all the rest of Parliament are quite far to the right.

What most are missing is that this appointment was to keep Thomas Mulcair out of the leadership. The growing animosity between Layton and Mulcair is no secret, and Mulcair is the only obvious successor to Layton in sight. If Mulcair got in, Layton would come back to find the leader's chair filled and the party in full support of him.

This isn't just about Turmel's political views; it's also about Layton's vanity and pettiness.

Where are insightful comments by Quebec NDPiste (or whatever the hell is his handle) when you need them?

The reason why there were "more fluid immigrant neighbourhoods of generations past" is because we shared the Christian faith and the values it encourages.

Most immigrants from Europe went to church -- either an existing one or they built their own -- but we all shared the same values: faith, family, responsibility, sacrifice, hard work, accountability, etc.

When "we, or more accurately the WASP/Cs who still hold most of the levers of power" decided that Judeo-Christian faith values were passe and no longer relevant (cue Trudeau's atheistic, London-School-of-Economics-trained henchmen) and that official multiculturalism would be the way to usher in a Godless society, that's when everything went south.

Once our "leaders" decided that all cultures are equal -- which was just a short hop, skip, and jump from dumping the faith of our forebears -- there was no cultural glue to hold our society, as we knew it, together. It became a free for all, our birthright plummeted, our leaders/masters decided to open the immigration flood gates for votes and to attempt to the sustain social benefits they'd ushered in for the unions and elites, and our country was soon flooded by immigrants who do not share our Western values.

If people can't see the connection between the loss of faith in the West and the social turmoil we're now dealing with, as we've opened our borders to immigrants with very different values from ours -- and have failed to defend our borders and our children's future -- then there's not much hope for us.

If the doctor misdiagnoses the disease, the patient gets sicker and eventually dies.

If you were separatist enough to belong to a separatist cause, for years, you can't turn off your separatism because you have a new job. a traitor at the helm, I'd say.

softly, softly, we are and will win this fight. We won a election and changed thing's we will win another and change more thing's. When you look at the world economics, how long before most canadian's will refuse to pay for these leftist follies anymore!

Hahaha...scary separatists! Isn't it ironic that Bouchard came out of the Conservative party, and not too long ago Harper was whining about building a firewall around Alberta.

Why does Harper hate Canada?

BTW, the Quebecois "experiment" -- on its own, without the ROC, except for our dollar$ -- is entirely tied to the Godless society. Turmel's agenda, via unions and separatist aspirations, is socialist to the bone.

I utterly agree with "publius" when he says, "A nation confident of itself would never have produced a party leader, even an interim one, so willfully indifferent to the nation she professes to serve" -- but insist that our loss of confidence is directly related to our loss of faith. Our loss of confidence is directly related to our abdication of personal and communal responsibilities as mandated by the Christian Scriptures.

'Scratch "Canadian values" and you'll pretty much always find at their core their Judeo-Christian root. We're living off the moral and ethical capital of the faith of our forebears -- and the values it espoused -- and, tragically, the account's almost empty.

The emaciated sensibilities of the populace aren't able to muster any "turmoil." 'Little wonder Turmel's just waltzed in and taken over Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. 'No watchmen on the towers. 'Nothing to defend.

Kyrie eleison.

Pedant watch: Could someone please tell Publius that the past tense of "lead" is "led," not "lead"? I have sympathy with what he writes, but this kind of howler is distracting.

cgh @ 6:11, exactly. The Quebec Solidaire is a coalition of various communist parties. Turmel easily switches between separatism, communism and communism light (NDP). So now we have a communist as Official Opposition leader. Trudeau would think this is a good start towards making a Cuba style government.

batb, well said, all three times.

It's just the next logical step of the process of rot instigated by PET ... may he rot in hell for all eternity.

"If Mulcair got in, Layton would come back to find the leader's chair filled and the party in full support of him."

One problem with that, short of a genuine medical miracle, Jack ain't coming back. Without him that whole package of fruits and nuts we call the NDPee is going to spill all over the floor. And get walked on by CPC and Liberals alike. Crunch, squash, splat.

I think it matters a lot more what Harper does than what the blood-red commies of the NDP do. Its his game to lose.

The only parlour On-his-back-Jack is headed for has "funeral" on the sign instead of massage....
I'd like to know just what Commrade Layton promised Quebec for the voters in that province to flock to the NDP.C'mon trolls give the answer....
Imagine the scenario Canada would now have if the Conservatives hadn't gotten a majority government back in May. Turmel would now be the PM if a coalition government was in place.

OMMAG @ 8:16 pm I second that comment!

So when is the NDP renaming itself the NDB? (No Democracy Bloq)

Which is worse: being a member of the Bloc or being a member of the NDP? Being a member of a party who wants to break Canada or being a member of a party whose policies, if implemented, will destroy Canada?

Phantom, it says a lot about Jack's vanity that he's still trying to keep his leadership intact despite his condition and that he would do so against the best interests of his own party. Let's face it, the NDP went virtually nowhere in the last election except in Quebec despite the second largest collapse of Liberal vote in Canada's history. Despite that, he appoints Turmel, who is totally unsellable in English Canada. Mulcair might have built support among disgruntled Liberals, but Turmel, never. That shows just how petty and vain Layton is.

Iberia, wrong as always. Bouchard was recruited into the PCs from the PQ. He was always a separatist and still is. Mulroney's great weakness was doing deals with the devil by building a coalition of western Canada with Quebec separatists. We saw how well that worked in 1993 with the PCs disintegrating into three factions.

John, indeed. That's Canada's political problem right now. The nation does not have an opposition party right now that would be competent to form a government. Which means that sooner or later something like the NDP will get into office if nothing else emerges.

They are both the same SOCIALIST !!

batb

do you even have an incling of how different judaism is from kristianity???

the difference is as great as the difference between kristianity and the muslim faith (not islam)

the "west" progressed to it's modern day state inspite of the church's oppression. During the middle ages the over lords (land owners) and the "church" worked hand in hand to keep the surfs in their place. It wasn't until the likes of Luther started a "revolt" that things changed. Throw in the printing press and the church lost even more of it's grip on the surfs

GYM

Read the New testement. Written by mostly Jews to Jews. Jesus was a Jew. So was Paul. So was Peter.
Christians believe the Messiah came when he was supposed to as set forth in Daniel & that he would be killed. Plus numerious other prophesies.
So in effect Christians worship the Messiah who wad God become Man that took on our sin in order that He a Holy God could justify us. All you need to do is repent, than believe he rose from the dead. The 2 commandments Josuha gave where both taken fro the OT which he said would not be chamged, that he came to fufill them as a sacrifice for sin.
For four centuries until the Church married the world, it meet in houses, not Churchs.
As the temple was destroyed Judaism, became Rabbi centered. Before that being a Christian just meant in greek. "people of the Messiah".

I thought "turmel" was French for "wolf in sheep's clothing".

Globe and Mail editorial of Wednesday, Aug. 3:

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/nycole-turmel-and-the-ndp-have-some-explaining-to-do/article2117509/?service=mobile

After being a Bloc member for five years, Turmel resigned in January.

Globe: "... she wrote a letter to the Bloc that her membership cancellation 'has nothing to do with the party's policies, I am doing this for personal reasons.' Chief among the 'party's policies,' of course, is the promotion of Quebec sovereignty."

Globe: "As if her Bloc past were not enough, Ms. Turmel was revealed on Tuesday to remain a supporter of Québec solidaire, a provincial party dedicated to socialism and sovereigntism. The NDP defended Ms. Turmel's Bloc membership as being a merely a gesture of support for a friend. What then explains her Québec solidaire membership?"

Quebec solidaire is a nutty left-wing party that was formed from a merger of the Communists and others. Knowing the way collectivists stick together, it's entirely probable the Quebec Nazi Party ended up in there too, if there was one.

She claims she's going to ditch that membership too.

This is what happens when an entire province goes off to vote with their head up their ass.

I saw an interview with Adam Giambrone on this subject today on Sun (6:00 news I think it was), and I've never seen anyone do the nervous laugh so many times. It was like he didn't believe a word of what he was saying.

The best part of Adam's interview last night was his thrashing around trying to explain away the Quebec solidaire's anti-semitism. He was left with the lame excuse that people who join parties don't necessarily agree with the party's policies.

nv53 is right. I've never seen Giambrone squirm so much, even through his 'babefest' scandal that killed his mayoralty bid.

We're going to see a lot more of this. For the first time ever, the NDP are the official opposition, and they're going to be under the kind of media spotlight they've never experienced before. Because of that history, they've never done much in the way of due diligence on their members, and there's going to be a lot of ugly things hiding under rocks as a result.

GYM (You can't even spell your name right): "batb, do you even have an incling of how different judaism is from kristianity???"

First, it's spelled Christianity, because of Jeusus Christ. OK?

Secondly, Jesus was a Jew, as were Mary and Joseph, Anne and Joachim, etc. You do the geneology; it's in the Bible (Matthew 1).

Judaism is "the root of Jesse" (look it up) and without the Jewish people and their faith, there would be no Christianity.

You're just plain ignorant and I'm sorry I've had to waste my time to attempt to set you straight. Thanks, Revnant Dream for trying to do the same thing.

What do they teach in school these days?

Answer: the garbage GYM is spewing, some of it inspired by Dr. Suzuki by whom GYM has obviously been brainwashed. It's the Church that brought Europe out of the Dark Ages and which preserved knowledge and learning throughout that period, when libraries and all signs of civilization were being pillaged, sacked, and burned by the barbarians.

'Read much, GYM?

..."During the middle ages the over lords (land owners) and the "church" worked hand in hand to keep the surfs in their place..."

Posted by: GYM at August 3, 2011 11:20 PM

"Surfs" indeed.

No doubt that would have been the United Church of Canada, helping out organic farmers to stem the rising surfs caused by global warming.

batb said it all.
Bella premunt hostilia!

This wpoman is just one of many traitors in our land. I'm not sure we turned right in time, but we better start pushing back quickly.

Hey, larben! I'm presuming when you say "This woman is just one of many traitors in our land," you're referring to Commissar Turmel, not me?!! :-|

She may look like Sandy Duncan, but she acts like Lenin.

When did Turmel actually advocate or practise treason? When has any member of any party she belonged to done so? Dates, times and precise locations, please.

No takers? Buehler?

Yes the Commissar, never you batb. Would that you were heading up the NDP, but that ain't gonna happen soon!

After today's interview on Sun's 6:00 p.m. news, now I'd say "turmel" is French for "evasive slimeball".

I looked at Dawg's site for the first time in eons. He's known Turmel since 1985. He says this:

1) Nycole lives, eats and breathes social justice values and concerns

Yes, that's the problem.

Gym - Please; the "surfs" as you spell it, were educated and fed and given religious holidays by the Church (Catholic), and women could only get an education through the convents which many of them joined. It was the royal nomination of the prelacy that interfered in Church affairs, that hindered the Church and made them look bad. (See Henry II) or read T.S.Eliot's Death in the Cathedral. Most Protestant Churches are a part of the State, funded and told what to teach. Luther burned all kinds of books, especially those of Thomas Aquinas, Augustine and monastic teachings, some of the first books ever written. Hitler would do the same thing, centuries later. The onset of the printing press, would do little to spread wisdom as it opened Holy Scripture to all kinds of scurrilous translations and served only to spread lies, and half-truths throughout the world. The same can be said with the internet, It can spread the "Truth" or, as in 90% of what's on it, filth and lies and untruths. What was the last number I heard? 26000 different non-Catholic (Protestant beliefs) in the world, none of whom agree with the other; and we won't even get into the anti-Christian or anti-religous nonsense out there!

So, since we all agree that neither Turmel nor any political party to which she has belonged has ever, in any sense, been guilty of any form of treason, can we agree that next time, instead of calling them "traitors", we call them "child molesters"?

Since we're going to lie, let's make it a real juicy lie.

If I thought for one second that any of the so-called 'separatist' parties really had the guts and intent to pack up and leave confederation, I'd cut them a cheque in a heartbeat.