Bingo!

Excellent.

Perhaps it was just the NDP convention-starting 2 days early.

Just one cavil on Ricardo's comment: the '"gimme gimme" Unionist' -- my old man was a Teamster and I do not like to think about what he would have done to me if I'd treated other people's property like that. (But that was old-school private-sector unionism, so probably not Ricardo's target.)

And this is why ladies and gentlemen the Canadian government should have charged little Miss DePage when she decided to abuse the throne speech to give herself a little attention to her over inflated plight. Instead the authorities chickened out scared of the backlash that might occur. It sends a message to the Anarchist thugs to do as you please without facing the consequences.
If this was Singapore this little prick wouldn’t be smiling because in a short time his ass cheeks would be split wide open from a few lashes of the Cain. The Vancouver football stadium could be a fine place for entertainment before the CFL football season starts.

and the riot kissers have been identified...

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/06/17/18296811.html

Apparently the parents were told they should be proud! Proud of what? Herein lies the problem, people too stupid to understand that some things are just wrong.

How many times am I going to roll my eyes over some old fool's "back in my day" guff about kids? You mean back in the 50s, the days of greasers and bike gangs? The 40s, with zoot soot riots? And don't even get me going about the 60s. Yawn.

Insurance companies do have very good investigators. The problem is that the cost of taking someone to court to recover damages often costs much more than the damage itself. Further, if the damage is substantial, the prospect of collection usually becomes remote. This is one more reason that our insurance premiums are so high.

Yup. Not much going to change until the riots hit Canada's ivory towers: Rockliffe Park, Bridle Path and Westmount...where the judges and lawyers live.

Posted by: the bear at June 17, 2011 4:30 PM,

Yep, and I'm sure the parents of the "classy girl" on her back on the pavement, dress hiked up and pantied ass showing -- as if ready to spread her legs -- would be proud too.

Hey mom and dad, the world loves your daughter's candy ass!

Lloyd Fister >

Bored? You could always find a new blog site to infest and call home. Just saying.

Dear Lloyd Fister, Please attack the meat of an idea,not something irrelevant to the idea. It doesn't matter who came up with an idea or when. A quick read here might help in the future: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

The policy advocated by the author of this piece will never happen. Too many of our vandals are members of profiled groups, let alone completely dependent upon the state. The few affluent ones are the darlings of the leftist aristocracy, judiciary, and academia. Even suggesting such a policy will bring the author into contempt for racism.

The days of personal responsibility ended with the 50% + 1 vote for Trudeau. Better to adapt to your third world condition than to talk about the dead white male past.

I agree. Here are my comments cross posted from yesterday:

The time to deal with such a situation is THERE & NOW! We're now crying over spilt milk. There must be some middle ground between Syrian and Canadian methods.

The bottom line is, there isn't the political will to actually protect the city from rioting citizens. We invite this behavior by not having a deterrent. This is political, plain and simple! Another example of the collective pu$$ies we are.

And, it doesn't matter what Canadian city there's a riot in, nor the reason, the results would be the same.

I'm more ashamed at our impotence in handling such situations than I am at the behavior of the rioting idiots. I expect it from them, and expect more from us(naively).

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I am no fan of the police force, but I can hardly blame whomever is calling the shots for 'standing-off" so to speak. IF... the police had thwarted the dastardly thugs, there's no doubt there would be epic cries of "fascism" and "human rights violations" as there would be no tangible evidence anything was thwarted at all. Furthermore, there'd likely be a pink-slip for, or resignation from whomever is deemed responsible for the aggressive police action. Hmmm.... tough choice there for the Chief. They say in politics that "you can't buy votes with nuts and bolts" which seems to apply here.

Until there is the political will to plan and execute an appropriate corporal plan to prevent these riots, we can expect ‘nada’ from the police.

Idiots will be idiots; how we deal with them is up to us!

OT I support mandatory participation in the Canadian forces (under the correct circumstances)for a limited time for Canadian youths. This would be a great educational policy for Canadians, and a valuable contribution to our country. This would likely take care of many of our "issues" we face with kids today.JMO

If there was ever a solid argument for the return of the lash, we saw it in Vancouver Wednesday night. Most of the dim wits caught on camera appear to be frat boy types who would have a hard time (no pun intended) surviving among the really rough customers in prison. Twelve on the flogging table would be a saluatory lesson for those idiots, and a lot cheaper than providing a few months free room and board. Bring back the lash I say. The punks' backs will heal faster than the civic pride of Vancouver.

This is the idea I've had all along (the weak willed courts are another issue). Slap the assholes (those properly found guilty in court)with real fines apprpriate to the damage caused - be it $5,000 or $10,000. And garnish their wages, student loan or whatever their source of income and let the perps know the fine will follow them around like a bad smell until paid off.

"politically-correct policing"

uhhh.... ummmm..... uh, does that include laughing at the victim of a theft?

since the day that happened 7 cops around my city are now dead.

God is a cold blooded killer and He's taking requests. all it would take from *them* is an admission and apology which I have been patiently waiting for almost 6 years. some people never forget.

the good news is I figured out one aspect of the mind of God. He's using me to ferret out the bullies in a pattern which only became evident in the wake of the laughing cops. They show their bullying, He takes them out. numerous examples from a lifetime of being bullied by individuals and groups with ever increasing power. it seems the more power vested in the offender the harsher the penalty.

7 cops all dead because one of their buddies mockingly exclaimed (quoting now) "at least the thief isn't around anymore", chortle chortle.

feel free to call 519-661-5781 and tell defective cam halliday if what I just told you and if you please, tell him I'm broadcasting the message because he's the one that claims the laughter never happened.

they aren't dealing with me. this is not a deranged belief on my part. it is a statistically improbable outcome; a huge spike in area cop deaths *after* I get laughed in the face by 3 of them the first time I attempt to report a theft to the police.

y'all have an enjoyable end time. yawn.

I agree with Jamie MacMaster- as until the unrest hits the Beaches, Rockcliffe, etc - where the human rights supporters and dictators live - there will be no change.

Social equality and engineering for all but us upper class twits.

I clerked for a district court judge in law school - one of the very few who had a crimcourt background, so we got loads of criminal court assignments.

So I'll be sadly realistic here. The people arrested or tagged at these riots generally have no real attachable assets or accounts, and if they have jobs, they usually make less than the minimum $$ that you have to leave them with if you garnish their pay.

Jail time proportionate to what they've cost the city is the best way. everyone gets a base amount of days for the overhead - cops' time, cleanup, etc. - and then give them a day or so per $100 damage attributed to them personally.

It's the only way.

Just an FYI. There is no insurance where riots are concerned. These poor store owners are going to have to pay for the damages out of their own pockets. Likely many will go broke. Eventually premier snookie will try to hush them up with taxpayer funds. Clark, Moonbeam Robertson and chief Chu all need to be hounded from office for enabling this debacle.

Hi Ping - you need professional help fast.

You are not just deranged but bloody dangerous (laughter suppressed) = get a real job!

No I won't hire you to run any tractor.

I could not agree more!
Gawd i can still remember the day i stood in front of our local Judge appr. nicknamed Hangin Hay. I got caught driving impaired in my dads car i was 17, I damaged a guys lawn & a city pole & my dads car. I was just shittin my pants when i went up in front of him. Just before i did though a local troublemaker up before me of course smartmouths the judge "I see we've met before says the judge well 30days, guy yells back i can do that on my head, Slam 30 more says the judge do them on your feet"
Well sir this just made me almost faint Iam next, Judge says i see you have made Restitution to the property owers & your father. Yes sir every cent i had & i even did some of the work to the lawn myself.
He gave me 90 days licence suspension & $135 dollar fine And a stern lecture.
that was 38yrs ago Never drove drunk again Never got in trouble & Never forgot the stare i got from the Judge.

ping > at June 17, 2011 5:17 PM

Wow ping, there's really not much to say about a comment like that. Maybe talk to someone in real life, like with a little PhD moniker before his name.

hello saskatchewan Lynx Shyt, that's your opinion because you haven't been laughed at by the cops after a lifetime of getting bullied.

karma she one nasty byatch.

and I'm still here capable *and* doing a google lookup every time a cop anywhere in Canuckistan croaks and it gets in the news.

a few minutes browsing the search links, find the phone # and use the flat rate long distance to laugh at *them* and tell them why.

ta, have a good weekend all.

Robert, exactly and thanks for re posting ricardo's comment as a thread of its own.

Don't anyone hold your breath though as the hug a thug crowd it too entrenched at the moment. It will take a societal effort to get disgusted enough to get rid of them.

Couple of points:

- I heard the kissing couple was actually a case of the girl being knocked over and hitting her head on the pavement. I can't confirm/deny though.

- a friend of mine suggested the anarachist thug/idiot types should be labelled terrorists and put on a no fly list, in addition to being dealt with as harshly as possible

Ping, you're neurotic, get help fast.

Some of these criminals may indeed get serious jail time. The arsonists who set fire to the police cars with cameras rolling for example have committed quite serious crimes. Arson carries a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison. Not sure what the current standard among BC judges is for that crime but even in peace moonbeam land it's going to be more than 2 years I would say.

Hey ping,
Enjoy yourself now because I think they are going to put Internet restrictions on inmates like yourself in the future (mostly due to inmates like yourself). Pssst...ping, I think I hear one of the guards coming.

GEN Y morons.
There hasn't been a more ignorant, self-centered and gutless generation of screwed up, no talent jack-asses in modern history.
The generational cohort in China and India will absolutely devour their collective lunches out in the real world...they already are.
They deserve a thorough life thrashing for being such imbeciles!

TrueNorthist: "These poor store owners are going to have to pay for the damages out of their own pockets."

Sort of. They're going to have to put their prices up to cover the damage -- you can't blame them -- and we, the customers, will end up paying for the damages.

I like bobby b's solution: base number of days in the clink and then a day/every $100 of damage they incurred because these anarchist punks/thugs/barbarians don't have any money; they're parasites who live off others, whether their families or the taxpayers.

IMO, Chief Constable Jim Chu should resign over this. He predicted before the game: "There’s not going to be a riot" (http://www.vancourier.com/VIDEO+Predictions+from+Vancouver+police+chief+city+manager+smoke/4957572/story.html) and then admitted, in an interview yesterday, that "Knowing what I know now, there's many things I would've done differently,"

DUH.

Why didn't he know what he didn't know? It's, apparently, because he hadn't done his homework...

The reason that they(the thugs) won't have to pay, is the continuing notion fostered by the left and the gov't that there is no such thing as private property.

Until our benevolent masters "give" us property rights, and "give" us the right to blast someone in the chest with an 870 when they break into our houses and shops without fear of being railroaded by the "legal" system, stuff like this will continue to happen.

I liked the old days where they put you in the public square. In stocks with carts full of rotten produce.
I once stole a toy from a store. My dad made me work their stocking shelves for three 3 days.
The humilation of working with people who knrew I was athief never left me as an example of civility. I never stole again. I was 12. No police where needed, no pshychologists, no weeping social workers, or lawyers. No judicuary with an agenda. In other words the parasites had not yet infected our institutions with Communists, socialists or Political elitists.
Just old fashioned justice that worked.
JMO

"Until our airy-fairy judges can find the balls to actually hold people responsible nothing is going to change."

No, the ultimate fault lies with the Canadian voters (present company excepted) who have allowed the airy-fairy judges to run their lives. Blaming it all on the judges is just whining.

Ping

Good one buddy...can we talk to Lloyd again?

Texan,
Unlike the U.S., we don't elect judges in Canada. Ultimately it's the responsiblity of the people who appoint them.

In regards to the original thread where Ricardo's post originated and my personal experience to which I also posted, I would like to say that my experience happened in White Rock, BC in 1978. I just find it relevant since White Rock is in close proximity to Vancouver, and anyone who knows White Rock also knows that White Rock is very different today than it once was.

If only the Blackhawks could have finished off the Canucks in the first round....

I have a sneaking suspicion that the kissin couple were muggin it up for the cameras. The same as all the other damn fools were.

Bottom line, the Trudeaupian establishment created a moral vacuum, and the Vancouver event is the sort of thing that inevitably fills it.

"Unlike the U.S., we don't elect judges in Canada. Ultimately it's the responsiblity of the people who appoint them."
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I know that. Accordingly, I did NOT say, "who have ELECTED the airy-fairy judges to run their lives."

You'd be better off if you DID elect your judges. At least then you could throw them out. But, still the problem lies with the electorate. You've allowed the politicians and the judges they appoint to become the principals, rather than the agents. Quit your whining.

As long as there is no punishment, the problem will continue. Count on it.

As soon as that Vancouver Police Chief opened his mouth, I knew that he was more of a political hack/appointee put inside a police uniform than an actual officer of the law whose job is to protect.

Good luck to all of us.

One often thinks that the less civilised get away with nothing and little after something like a massive damage in the lotus land is, so the judges and their buddies, the lawyers can have a steady and profitable employment.

Good luck and good sight.

Personally I find it quite refreshing that this amount of mayhem and carnage could be done by non Muslims. I was starting to lose hope with the kids of today and their lackadaisical attitudes. It shows the "can do" attitude is still alive in Canada.

s/off

ping: " . . . I figured out one aspect of the mind of God. He's using me to ferret out the bullies . . . "

No, son, I'm using the bullies to ferret out the whackos. Could you go stand over there now, please? I'll be right with you . . .

By God Fister is right: in the Sixties, scumbags exactly like him began the entire process of turning our cities into shitholes!

Thanks for the reminder Roid, I mean Lloyd.

I had posted this as part of a post before but I think it is worth discussing the critical point on this thread as we are looking at punishment for this debacle.

"At the G20 there were 13,000 cops, ETF, RCMP, and every type in between, armed to the teeth. Standing on Queen Street in front of the city hall I saw battalions of armoured police yet they all did nothing. ETF officers I spoke to told of training for 3 months to prepare for rioting.

In the protest march made up mostly of old hippies and young leftists, there were just maybe 100 max of the Black Block all marching as a group, that were bused into Toronto to perpetrate violence, and yet the police were ordered by their political masters to stand down and accept their destruction of our downtown, exactly I am certain as happened in Vancouver. I spoke with an ETF officer beside me and he told me they were to accept collateral damage as the Block sauntered by . The Block smashed cars and a streetcar right in front of us on Queen Street yet this overwhelming force, the greatest assembly of police Canada has ever seen, still did nothing. Exactly as we saw in Vancouver citizens were left on their own to try and defend their businesses or stop the looting by this tiny group of anarchists."

All our discussion on jailing these thugs, giving them the cane or whatever means nothing unless there is the political will to meet this head on and I don't see it.

How many people were actually convicted and sentenced for the vandalism at the G20? Maybe 1 or 2, I don't have a clue and I have followed this as I worked at the G20. This will happen in Vancouver also as the months and years go by and the lawyers get rich with the endless remands, commissions and committees.

/sarc on

syncrodox, surely you aren't suggesting that a cookie-cutter pathological troll like Fister would so something as obvious and juvenile as adopt another identity in a forum?

My God man, have some faith in human nature!

/sarc off

"Yep, and I'm sure the parents of the "classy girl" on her back on the pavement, dress hiked up and pantied ass showing -- as if ready to spread her legs -- would be proud too."
Maybe someone can find out her name and phone number so we can publish it for her. I mean, if she is so proud----------

I'd be open to some creative justice for these rioting dufuses.

Since they are mostly a bunch of minimum wage earning ignoramuses how about they get two choices:
Choice 1 - jail time for their crimes and criminal record that follows them for the rest of their lives, thus limiting their future employment and travel opportunities. Or...

Choice 2 - we will waive the jail time and criminal record, if they complete 12 months of community service to include

- cleaning the streets, gutters and alleyways of Vancouver
- emptying garbage cans
- removing graffiti, gum, etc from bus stops, park benches...
- backbreaking landscaping cleanup, etc.
- wearing of a pink coveralls, with a clear label on their back that reads "2011 Rioter", so that citizens who pass them will clearly know who they are, what they did and why they are doing the cleanup work.

If they can't truly pay for the damage they caused, they should be made to repay society in a way that inflicts the humiliation and derision they deserve while they at least contribute something back to our society.

@ Roid-Fister: how many times am I going to have to roll my eyes over some young fool parroting deadhead remarks about how kids now are no more violent than they were in the 1940s, a subject they know no more about than they do x-ray interferometry? You tell me, Roid.

BTW: hurts, doesn't it - the way every time you put anything in print here someone like me points it out as yet another shining example of your catastrophic stupidity? :)

Sorry soozbc but it will be Suspended Sentences all around because they are good kids from good homes and a criminal charge could hurt them in the long run. Just like all the drunken students who get drunk and vandalize the neighborhoods they live in every weekend. The people who worked their whole lives to buy a house and give themselves a good life don't matter. These idiot children of idiot parents run things now. Consequences are for poor people.

I can dream $ FKA gord can't I? I know the justice system is pretty useless right now, that's why I came up with the creative "loop hole" for those entitled "good" kids. Avoid the criminal record and just simply do the community service. I just prefer community services with a little bite in the butt.

This may be somewhere in the 50+ preceding comments, but along with harsher penalties for vandalism, rioting, looting, burning, and the like, there has to be a drastic change in the way police handle those caught in the act, and by drastic I mean harshly. And we, the people, need to support them publicly.

When people take up hooliganism they need to be smacked down hard so that those would-be rioters in the vicinity and watching on TV or getting texts and tweets get a clear message that anti-social behaviour will be rewarded with swift corporeal pain. I really have no problem with cops drawing blood from rioters and dragging their sorry, useless a$$es to the nearest police van.

The situation will improve when Mr. First Thug Arrested finds himself in Court with bruises and contusions and perhaps couple cracked teeth.

Pain during the act and pain after the act. If either of those aren't in place, it's just a gong show.

Having been involved in Neighborhood groups I know that the police and courts are told to lay off students. The worst that could happen to them is they write a letter of apology to the victims of their drunken sprees.
These kids got away with it their whole lives which is why now that they are grown ups the continue on with the same game plan.

I'd prefer they got a good nightstick injury and a couple night in the local cells. They can always ask for a pardon 10 years down the line if they think their career chances have been compromised.

Don't know what to say about Da Ping, folks, other than Da Pong half of his brain seems to be disconnected tonight. Perhaps by the same mind altering substances that fueled the nutcases Wed night?!

Anyhow, I'm having a similar discussion on Facebook with a fellow I know in Toronto who's a lawyer. He's also a big-time Liberal Party member. This is what I just wrote him which I think is apropos for the discussion here:

Adam, on a personal level I think you're a good fellow. But when it comes to political/societal views we're diametrically opposed. You've read enough of my comments on such matters to understand that I believe that your views, and those of your like minded Canadians, are the root cause of most of Canada's problems today. I'm sorry, but I do.

I also accept that I may be in the minority. Here in Southwest BC I suspect I am. Ultimately, if I'm not happy with the general mindset of my community then I have the choice to leave. This is an option I may very well exercise one day.

It is often said that each of us is the sum of our experiences, especially those growing up. I don't know what yours were and you don't know what mine were. I will share with you though that I have a younger sibling who would have fit in perfectly well with the thugs we observed Wednesday night. From his prison cell he undoubtedly cheered them on. :-(

Our mother once asked him how his conscience let him deal with the violation & fear he caused each of his victims when he robbed them, their homes, and their cars. His response was simple: "I don't see what the big deal is. They all have insurance." That, my friends, is how the criminals & thugs in our midst justify their dreadful behaviour. :-(

The two things that differentiate THIS riot from previous Vancouver riots were the use of social media before during and after the fact, and the large numbers of 'cheerleaders' who came for the entertainment.
I was born and raised in Van., six decades of it.
I vividly remember the Dunbar riot at Halloween, the Rolling Stone riot, the two Mayor Tom Campbell inspired riots...back to back, Gastown and English Bay, and of course the more recent sports events.

Good summary here...
http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1377605
Because this one was BAD doesn't mean that previous decades were lily white.

These folks also came from B.C....they had a little more justification perhaps(?).
http://scaa.usask.ca/gallery/regina/central/riot.html

Having said all that, I'm 100% in favour of REAL justice.

Once they are done arresting the thugs, tally the damages and the clean up bill and divide it by those arrested for rioting. If they fail to pay the bill in one year they do six years federal time and are placed on a "Do not hire list for academia and the government". Time to drop the hammer on punks, thugs in general.

Michael H Anderson

I once knew this stripper that went by the stage name Faith...does that count?

Robert, I am sorry to hear of what must be a very painful part of your private life. Rest assured, one of our trolls will try to use this information to hurt you. Just remember: they are all sociopaths who feed on other people's pain. That is what distinguishes them from most human beings; that is why they troll.

I respond to them because I try to give back a bit of what they try to do to us. It amuses me, and - sure, I'm only human - it makes me feel good when I get to point out how much smarter I am than them. I write for a living, am half Irish, and love to see my clever words in print. :)

Take care and BTW - great articles and great moderation.

Over at Hugh Hewitt, who’s interviewing Mark Steyn:

HH: . . . Mark I begin—I’m so glad that I have a Canadian to talk to today because I’m upset that the Canadians were rioting last night in Vancouver after losing. What would they have done if they had won?

MS: [laughing] Yeah. Actually, a pitiful night for the Canucks and a pitiful night for the city of Vancouver too. I think there’s nothing more pathetic than the sight of pampered, middle-class western elites rampaging through the city, and Canada regrettably has some of the most useless and incompetent, overpaid, over-unionized, over-privileged police forces in the world, and, as they did in the G20 in Toronto, they proved unable and unwilling to restrain the rioters from the property damage they inflicted on law abiding businesses. But, no doubt, they will be back harassing law abiding citizens going about their business there. I’m afraid—the Canadian police actually, just to make a serious point, have seriously destroyed their reputation in recent years. You remember the famous martyr of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Mounties always get their man . . .

HH: Yep.

MS: On the streets of Vancouver the police failed. When it’s a choice between always getting their man or getting you, the Canadian police would rather get you because it’s a lot easier. . . .

HH: Mark, Detroit had this problem as did Southern California in Huntington Beach and Newport Beach for a long time and then the police got serious and guess what? There is no problem after the police get serious.

MS: Yeah, and I think it depends on shrewd and savvy policing and there is a shortage of that in many counties and there is particularly in Canada. I mean the city of Toronto has one of the most idiotic police chiefs on this continent. I wouldn’t expect him to get any smarter about these things after his own riots or after Vancouver.

More @:

http://www.hughhewitt.com/transcripts.aspx?id=1b83beb7-bf44-4416-a42c-4306d972225e

I agree with Mark Steyn, as do most of us here. And, as one of my students would say, unless we, as a polity, make a serious course change, "We're doomed"!

When is the mayor and the police chief tendering their resignations? Just asking.

re: the kissing couple

I listened to an interview with the boy's father today. Apparently, the young woman in question had been clocked in the head by a police shield (and really, you can see how slight she is; why was that necessary?). She fell to the ground, hit her head again, and her boyfriend came to her aid. According to the boy's father, they weren't actually kissing; he was just whispering to her, trying to console her.

I've watched a lot of video from Vancouver, and the G20 last year, and while I have no time for the rioters in either case, I don't think the police should win any awards either. For a group of people who trumpet their "professionalism", some (not all, of course) cops seem to lose it pretty quickly, and become thugs in their own right. Look at the case of Adam Nobody in Toronto - he was just watching what was happening, when a group of six cops swarmed him, and beat him severely. And being the fine, upstanding, honourable people they are, the cops responsible all "forgot" who was involved in the fracas, even though amateur video clearly identified one officer.

So to all of you who made snide remarks about the young lady - how would you like it your daughter went down to watch a hockey game, a riot breaks out that she isn't participating in (again, according to the boy's father, they were unsure of the best route to take to get out), and a cop comes by and slams her head with his shield? She's lying on the ground, in an unfortunate pose, in pain and bleeding, and some opportunistic photographer takes a shot that everyone misinterprets as wanton sexuality? Shame.

Neither Mayor Moonbeam, nor Chu can deny or ignore the issue.

They are both wearing it.

They both own it, no escaping.

And now word trickles out that council/mayor denied increase in budget for police overtime....

Watch as both sides gently snipe at each other, of course until the chief resigns, what with a golden parachute and a non-disclosure agreement.

You know that when Moonbeam was out within hours in CYA mode, that he was guilty as sin.

I call it the consequence free society. No punch in the nose, no pay for what you break etc. this is what you get. This quickly morphs into the guy who does the punching or the guy who levies the fines being the bad guy. And since nobody wants to be the bad guy....

Just came back in from some soccer with my son, and there's the Ceeb Vancouver news: apparently there's a mini-epidemic of grapefruit-size rocks being dropped off overpasses into people's windshields, followed by a little announcement about a woman convicted of sexual interference with children, letting the public know she "isn't permitted" contact with children and for us - US - to let the police know if they see her doing so. Like a restraining order (and we all know how effective those are), only for a convicted pedophile.

Such stories are of course seen every friggin' day on the news. Thanks again, Trudeaupians.

Theodore Dalyrymple's book "Life at the Bottom: the worldview that makes the underclass" might be applicable here.

His hypothesis is that the mores and values of the underclass are celebrated and emulated by the middle class and now even our elites. A race to the bottom, a coarsening and increased criminality in our culture.

Had I been able to identify an offspring or grand-offspring as a rioter, all hell would have broken loose in the family. Forget 'pride' - disinheritance would have been the least of the consequences.

Hey KevinB: get bent. Seriously. How dare you sit there in your comfy office or whatever - garret, pesthole - and impugn the cops who had to deal with this situation. Get bent, a$$hole. Cops are no longer able to protect us because of knee-jerk leftist tools like you.

Valencia - fantastic, the whole premise is glaringly obvious without even reading the book - whcih I most definitely will!

We're reaping the consequences of a 40-year hippie refrain of "violence is bad". When you say that, and at the same time undermine the moral foundation of a society, you end up with chaos. A society in which "violence is bad" is one where only the bad are violent.

Apparently some tried to intervene, and promptly had the shit kicked out of them. And so a few hundred bullies can make thousands of supposedly honest people cower in fear.

And now even the police have become afraid. They hide behind their shields, and catch the low-hanging fruit. Maybe they need a riot "SWAT-team" to zero in on those who have just broken a window or set a fire. Chase them down, zip-tie their wrists, and throw them on a city bus.

You don't need rubber bullets, you don't need tear gas. You just need to be serious. Until you do, this will happen again.

I'm glad to live in Edmonton, where we won't be having an Expo, and we likely won't be in the playoffs for the foreseeable future.

And the list grows of surveillance and security camera images released that our entitled rioters were too fecked to realize what was going on.

London Drugs, a large retail chain here on the west coast, whose downtown store was looted for around $1 million of merchandise, has shown some of its HD photos, capturing the happy shoppers entering the store.

Over 200 images captured, with multiple yobbos mugging on the camera.

Too bad most of them will be slapped on the wrist, but that record will do more damage than any jail/probation time will do.

DanBC

I disagree...learning how to fit in with the real gangsters in remand might be enlightening...

Michael Anderson:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I can only presume that you think a police officer beating an unarmed man with sticks, causing broken bones and other injuries, is SOP for the police, and that when his comrades on the force all develop selective amnesia, that's to be assumed and forgiven. Or when they beat a man with an artificial leg, and then refuse to give him his leg back. Yes, I think that's the height of professionalism.

And you think I'm a rectal orifice? Look in the mirror, pal. You remind me of the idiots parroting "My country, right or wrong".

Kevin, you still fail to understand: I want cops to smash YOU over the head with nightsticks, repeatedly, yesterday if possible.

If that makes me an asshole in your eyes, then all is well with the world IMO, you pusillanimous pantywaist whinging puke.

Floggings at the Olympic torch, then throwing them into a bath of salt water and telling them to walk home.

What Ricardo and the bear said (sorry, KevinB, not buying the story).

And, trolls, you're not winning here. You are actually making yourselves look incredibly ridiculous. Just stop.

The kissing couple, according to the local Global News, are already on their way back east (New York?) saying that it wasn't as it looked. His father admits that his son has dreams of being a comedian (yeah, everybody's going to get their 15 minutes)and he was only trying to console her. If he is such a caring man, why didn't he get her the hell out of there during a riot? It's all B.S.!

By the looks of it, you had to push yourself through a rather largish crowd, and sprint about 30 feet, to get anywhere near a police shield.

But, what the hell, I believe it.

Sync

I can only wish that would happen.

The cynic in me says the Injustice system will probation them, and the YOA will protect the interminably stupid teenagers, 'protecting them from themselves.'

And the stupid yutes know one thing, and that is the YOA, and their rights to destroy and commit petty crimes, etc, while their penalties are akin to being beaten with a wet noodle.

Anderson, if posting is impossible for you without referring to personal attacks move on to rabble or some other site. You sound like you would have fit right in with the rioters.

Kevin, I agree with you. There were 13,000 officers in Toronto, maybe 100 rioters yet the police were unable to accomplish stopping them due solely to political interference then they overreacted on the Sunday and became a police mob as described aptly by several of their own officers.

I love the solution - another inquiry ... funded by the taxpayer ... launched by the ditz Clark. Another costly, non-solution, to an obvious problem designed to make the stupidest people in Vancouver feel good.

How about declaring a blue/green shirt day on June 15? ... because we don't want to have this happen again!!!

Just clicked onto CPAC and they are covering the NDP convention, and they have an actor reciting Tommy Douglas at the first founding meeting in 1961. a little early for horror movies I should think?

I'm all for blue/green bug day...never again will the mosquitoes decide...

Situations where our modern police officers excel:
writing up tickets, especially where the chance of payment looks good. Hmmm, lets see; working stiff who needs car and clean record to continue working. Done. And these new laws that prohibit things like cell phone use while driving or unfastened seat belts are perfect vehicles for tickets. Too easy.
Situations where our modern police officers don't excel: protecting your shit or your head from getting busted up.
Police work changed when the criteria for cop eligibilty changed. I always recall the Simpsons episode where Marge becomes a cop and sees crime everwhere; "man jaywalking, horse not wearing diapers, man doubleparked in handicap space" (Homer by the way). The small stuff gets sweated; the big stuff not so much.

"Not on my watch - these people will be prosecut ... oh, look a butterfly "

Premier Christy Clark

Murray Dobbin's take: http://tinyurl.com/3hql4bc
What an idiot!

Shawn: "And this is why ladies and gentlemen the Canadian government should have charged little Miss DePage when she decided to abuse the throne speech to give herself a little attention to her over inflated plight"

Correct -- and what does "Stop Harper" mean in this context except anarchy? Her protest was symptomatic and we should be as angry about that symbolic challenge to civil society as we are about the Vancouver antics.

Been on vacation and haven't been able to follow all of the comments on the riots but I have to put part of the blame on the media for their outrage over Harper's G-20 costs for security. Also this destruction of private property doesn't happen in the States because private security forces and private property owners are allowed to self protect their property by force ie Colt Peacemaker. Read the Riot Act and then open fire if need be, we'd have a lot less anarchists running around Canada causing us all a lot less in taxes because we all know that the final cost for this riot will be paid by us schmucks, the taxpayer.

Well golly "dave", I don't know who the hell you are, I don't care who you are, and the day I start giving a damn about your opinion of me I'll have myself checked into an asylum. KevinB didn't say cops were stymied and overreacted due to political interference, you did and put the words in his mouth. What he said was this:

And being the fine, upstanding, honourable people they are, the cops responsible all "forgot" who was involved in the fracas...

Good enough? Same goes for any other knee-jerk cop-haters here. In my considerable experience, people who hate cops are scum, so trust me when I say I am glad as hell to be so starkly differentiated from the likes of you.

Kevin B.

So Kevin B. what exactly is your F**king point?
I was down there that evening and when Boston scored the third goal I sensed things were from bad to worse and did the smart thing and got the hell out of there, an option every single person had. Everyone that stayed in the riot area deserved every crack on the head they got compliments of the VPD. Jeez your a douche.

MHA: "KevinB didn't say cops were stymied and overreacted . . . What he said was this: . . . "And being the fine, upstanding, honourable people they are, the cops responsible all "forgot" who was involved in the fracas..."

Michael, whatever spin this Kevin put on it, isn't it true that the officers involved did indeed "forget" who all was involved in beating down the . . . er . . . object of their affections?

Or, were you taking issue with his characterization of such forgetfulness as being "dishonorable"?

Wow,Anderson, reread your posts, "I want cops to smash YOU over the head with nightsticks, repeatedly" you have a real anger management problem, get help.

Who is a knee-jerk cop-hater. My dad was a cop. I worked the G20 and watched these heavily armed officers just stand down and let the Black Block trash the downtown. As I stated before it is not the line officers its their political master like Miller and McGuinty, cowards all with their nanny state. After the frustrated cops were turned loose the day after the riot with authority granted by McGuinty on a obscure ruling thousands were arrested but how many were guilty of anything, 1 maybe 2, no one knows.

Read Blatchford's "Helpless" as the OPP just turned their backs on the Caledonia citizens and let them be terrorized. Senior Superintendents were removed after criticising their superiors like Fantino and McGuinty. Other police forces refused to go to Caledonia because of this.

Here is Vancouver's riot expert on what happened. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/18/vancouver-riot-police-made-mistakes-says-author-report-on-1994-mayhem/

Posted by: Texan at June 17, 2011 6:19 PM: "...Quit your whining."

Ok Mr. Texan, I promise to obey from now on. I promise not to speak out about the inconsistencies in our justice system, I promise to conform at all times.

By the way, what ever happened to that movement for an independent Texas? I think they called it the "Republic of Texas" or something and they even had their own flag! Did you tough Texans wimp out or something -- afraid of your elected judges, are you?

We can always hope for an earthquake. BC, States of Washington, Oregan and California are populated by left wing losers. I really don't care if their cities riot and burn. You get what you deserve. If you elect wimping mayors, hire political correct cops, have pussy judges and let you kids grow up without any discipline....what do you expect. I listened to the police chief doing his interview...what a political correct piece of crap. He thanked everyone for helping put down the riots but the people responsible for putting down the riots did nothing...the crown just got tired after a long day or drinking and kicking windows and cars and went home. Burn baby burn.

MHA:

You seriously misunderstand me. First, you call me a "leftist tool"; everyone else here knows I'm a good Tory.

Second, you seem to think police bashing people on the heads is perfectly fine. Perhaps you missed some of the following stories from recent years:

Four young, physically fit, RCMP officers try to subdue a middle aged man in the Vancouver airport by repeatedly tasering him until the man died. These were four fine physical specimens, and their only choice was to taser him four times? Then they - and this is the important point that you seem to miss, MHA, so I'm going to put in big, bold letters - ALL FOUR OF THEM LIED THEIR ASSES OFF AT THE OFFICIAL INQUEST. You think this is defensible? You think this is right? What kind of twisted morality do you have? Cops can kill people and then lie about what they did, and that's all right with you? And you call me names?!

At the G20 last year, innocent people who were merely trying to go home were penned like animals - I don't know what god-forsaken city you live in, but I hope it's nowhere near me - but there are actually LOTS of people who live in downtown Toronto. An elderly couple in their 60's were just trying to return to their apartment, but were shoved into a fenced pen with 200 people, without toilets, water, food, or even seats, and forced to stand IN THE RAIN for over two hours. I expect that if it happened to your parents, you'd blame them for returning home at the wrong time, rather than the cops.

In Montreal last week, six officers confronted a crazed man in the street, and although he was clearly delirious, he was standing in the middle of the street, without a gun, when the cops opened up with a hail of bullets. One of those bullets hit a hospital intern, who was innocently riding his bike to work. I guess you'd blame him for riding a commie bike instead of a car, rather than the police.

Just as I don't believe people watching a riot should suddenly go in and start looting after someone else breaks the windows, I don't believe cops should suddenly start beating people viciously, indiscriminately, and IN GROUPS of 3 or 4 cops against one. If I were a cop, and I saw someone break a window, loot something, or throw a rock - sure, I'd crack him on the head. But if I decide to arrest a 57-year old amputee, and then PULL HIS ARTIFICIAL LEG OFF AND TELL HIM TO HOP TO THE PADDY WAGON, I'd fear some action to be taken. Of course, none was. Amputee has leg ripped off by police

You seem to have the attitude that cops are better people than citizens. They are not. You seem to believe that they have the right to beat and intimidate people; absent a real personal threat, they do not. And they are supposed to be trained to deal with these things without resorting to violence first.

I could go on with further stories - two different Toronto area cops murdered their wives recently, a York region cop, driving drunk, hit and killed a citizen, and his cop buddies helped cover it up. Numerous Toronto cops - including the son of a former chief - have been convicted of stealing drugs from evidence, and reselling them to dealers. But what's the point? You seem to think police brutality is necessary and justified in every single case; I don't.

I have nothing more to say to you. Ever.

ping @5:17 & 5:27 - this isn't the first time you've said stuff like this. If you honestly think this way - look, it's really unhealthy. You're obsessed with these "bullies". Do you really think God is offing people for you? You sound like Mark David Chapman or someone. Seriously, talk to somebody.

(syncro - "ping" used to to go by the name of a hound dog.)

Posted by: KevinB at June 18, 2011 5:49 PM:
"...innocent people who were merely trying to go home were penned like animals"

Crock of bull. These were people who were deliberately trying NOT to go home. When I want to go home I don't join myself to a mob of people standing still or sitting in the middle of an intersection blocking traffic. When I want to go home I do the opposite -- I move away from the stationary mob, grab a bus, and I go home!

Lisa Laflamme of CTV also got detained -- and rightfully so. She was standing with the same mob obstructing traffic after Police asked them to move. Being a reporter doesn't give you a right to obstruct traffic or participate in an illegal act, anymore than being a reporter would give you the right to enter a building being looted by a mob together with the mob -- you would still be trespassing. Reporters can just as easily get their story from the sidelines and report safely from a distance. But if they participate then they should be arrested like anyone else.
Same goes for "citizen reporters" and all the dozens of moronic voyeurs standing around with cell-phone cameras.

Heh. EVERYBODY was doing it:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/man-riot-taunted-police-plans-surrender-022813689.html

For MHA:
I consider it an honor to be called "scum" by the likes of you. I thank God every time he sends another filthy maggot pig to rot in hell where they belong, for at least HE is truly just!