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June 10, 2011

Quote Of The Week

"One German organic farm has killed twice as many people as the Fukushima nuclear disaster and the Gulf Oil spill combined. Crickets."

Update: great minds at the Washington Times. (via Deputy Editorial Page Editor David Mastio) - link fixed now!

Posted by Kate at June 10, 2011 1:45 PM
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Freakin' brilliance.

Posted by: The Phantom at June 10, 2011 1:52 PM

Priceless.

Posted by: PhilM at June 10, 2011 1:54 PM

No problem. Fewer humans is better for Gaia. All part of the Green plan, baby. Wait till people start dying from the cold in the UK. That won't be a problem either.

Posted by: Jack at June 10, 2011 2:00 PM

If there are too many people, why don't the enviros of the world volunteer to help alleviate the problem by offing themselves?
Oh... THEIR lives are too valuable. Off the others.

Posted by: bob at June 10, 2011 2:04 PM

Yes. What are the chances of a next-day story on the CBC on "The Dangers of Organic Farming", like we saw for the oil spill and nuclear meltdown?

Posted by: TD at June 10, 2011 2:08 PM

Quote of the flippin' year so far! Good on you kingfisher!

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at June 10, 2011 2:10 PM

Oops, I promoted rich to king for his great line.

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at June 10, 2011 2:11 PM

Organic farming obviously has unknown risks, that could threaten human lives. Shouldn't we apply the Precautionary Principle (you know, the one the environmentalists use to ban anything they dont like, using flimsy or non-existent evidence) to ban organic farming?

Posted by: richard40 at June 10, 2011 2:15 PM

richfisher, take a bow. Don't hold your breath waiting for CBC or CTV and Global to inform their viewers.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at June 10, 2011 2:23 PM

A consensus of scientists now agree that organic farming is dangerous to public health.

Posted by: Scientist at June 10, 2011 2:24 PM

Will they be closing all the organic farms in Germany? They are closing all the nuclear power plants in Germany which have killed none.

Posted by: MarkInFlorida at June 10, 2011 2:27 PM

Yes, but zeh ver killed by organic means...

I think this happened in Salinas, California with e coli tainted spinach within the last two years as well.

So are we to conclude that industrial killing is bad, while 'organic' killing is okay?

Posted by: John at June 10, 2011 2:28 PM

And it will probably be twice as expensive as Fukushima to fix.

Don't get me wrong, I love organic and I remember back in the '60's when it was first popularized -- at least it was dirt cheap (no pun intended). Organic used to be the "poor man's" market 'cause it was so inexpensive compared to the grocery stores. The economics behind the savings were that costs were dramatically cut by not needing chemical fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides.

But nowadays if you go downtown to the organic "Hippie Market" in Toronto you have to be a veritible millionaire to shop there -- one tomatoe costs $2.00 bucks! My gawd, I can buy an exotic fruit like a giant honey avocado from Costa Rica for less than that. Plus it has more vitamins and minerals than a tomatoe and it would last two sittings.

Tomatoes used to be so cheap that Hippies used to throw them at politicians. Not anymore -- not the organic ones anyway.

Posted by: ricardo at June 10, 2011 2:33 PM

A dozen (12) eggs: $2.00 at the big grocers. One (1) tomatoe: $2.00 at the organic "hippie market" in T.O. At least the future of "egging" is not yet at risk.

Posted by: ricardo at June 10, 2011 2:49 PM

Organic food is the 21st century panelling of the sixties, it's a fad thing our superior betters like to embrace.

Posted by: Rose at June 10, 2011 2:52 PM

If organic farming was a public danger non of us would be here. We are the descendants of successful organic farmers. Non-organic farming gradually developed after the second world war.

Bean sprouts, by their nature are more subject to contamination. Mass distribution simply spreads it farther when it happens.

Organic farming's best argument is financial. As it's a niche market it's demand provides a profit margin allowing small, medium sized farms to be viable. Niche markets are important for that reason. Small businesses exist exploiting them.

Posted by: Larry at June 10, 2011 2:53 PM

Ricardo, if I am going to spend two dollars on a tomato, it had better be the size of a watermelon. I won't even entertain the thought of buying a watermelon from these "hippie markets".

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at June 10, 2011 2:56 PM

D'oh!!!

Posted by: Hasse@Norway at June 10, 2011 3:11 PM

Osumashi Kinyobe at June 10, 2011 2:56 PM,

Don't forget that the non-organic stuff is overpriced too though: at my local "No Frills" a single (1) tomatoe costs .75 cents. But nobody notices because they are sold by the gram...
The fresh food industry is already in big trouble without forcing organics down everybody's throats.

Posted by: ricardo at June 10, 2011 3:15 PM

And a single avocado from Mexico also costs .75 cents.

Something is out of whack.

Posted by: ricardo at June 10, 2011 3:18 PM

I don't think that you can compare death as a result of nuclear radiation exposure versus as a result of food poisoning.

The first is gradual and slow; the latter has a rapid growth and takeover of the body.

Chernobyl had over 4,000 deaths. Only 47 were a direct result of the immediate accident; the others were due to radiation exposure - which affects the brain, heart, blood etc...

The Gulf Oil spill was not about human ingestion of the oil. Therefore, it too is not a valid comparision.

And the contamination of food has little to do with the method of its production. You can get food poisoning from any food that is, obviously, handled by humans in its picking and preparation - and we all know of cases in cafeterias, restaurants etc. You can get it from untreated water, from foods left out of the frig (organic or not organic)...and so on.

Posted by: ET at June 10, 2011 3:40 PM

my organic produce comes from my very own backyard.

otoh squirrels took the entire strawberry crop.

is it still organic to shoot and eat squirrel meat? LOL !!!

Posted by: ping at June 10, 2011 3:42 PM

You missed the point by a mile, ET.

Posted by: Kate at June 10, 2011 3:47 PM

QOTM. (Quote of the month)

Posted by: langmann at June 10, 2011 4:03 PM

don't worry ET, it happens to me all the time!

Posted by: Quebecois NDPiste at June 10, 2011 4:08 PM

kkate - explain how I missed the point. When I saw that comment - I at first thought it was sarcasm. But, reading some of the other comments here....I began to wonder if the author actually meant it.

So- please explain. What have I missed?

Posted by: ET at June 10, 2011 4:14 PM

ET

I believe the comment is tongue & cheek trying to shine a light on the media's lack of interest.

Furthermore, advocates for organic farming ignore the fact that modern farming feeds the world a healthy and cheap diet, and because so, hippies can focus on fringe markets with their organic farming. If the hippies had their way, the 3rd world would be starving today. Kate’s pointing-out the shear hypocrisy and disingenuousness of the Left and the Media. Organic farming is, and forevermore will be, for the rich; but will be touted by the Left as a savior for the poor people of the world. It’s disgusting quite frankly.

That said, I take your point.
JMO

Posted by: Indiana Homez at June 10, 2011 4:32 PM

So- please explain. What have I missed?
Posted by: ET at June 10, 2011 4:14 PM

Starting from when....? ;)

Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at June 10, 2011 4:34 PM

indiana homez - I haven't noticed the media's lack of interest. It's the opposite; it's in every newspaper online, it's on the TV news.

So- the media coverage can't be the point. That's why I've asked kate what she means by my missing the point.

As for organic farming produce being for the rich - well, a lot of it is indeed for the 'champagne socialists' who are being milked for a lot of money in these specialist stores (eg Whole Foods - whose prices are unreal). But, for others, who buy from the local farmers - this sustains those local farmers and I'm all for small local farms - and they don't charge the prices one sees in Whole Foods.

Most certainly I agree; the organic method can't produce foods in quantity for our population.

But both types can exist and there's no need to denigrate the one vs the other.

Posted by: ET at June 10, 2011 4:39 PM

Fukushima qua nuclear accident killed precisely NOBODY. No-one. Not a single soul. All fatalities were either prompt (crane fell over, drowning etc.), or unrelated (guy has a heart attack which he could have had standing in line at the grocery store). More people died today on America's roads than have ever died in nuclear accidents, and that includes Chernobyl.

Posted by: David Gillies at June 10, 2011 4:54 PM

organic fertilizer = shit. End of story. And full explanation of why organic food is a natural source of E. coli.

Posted by: SDN at June 10, 2011 5:04 PM

An old line, worth repeating:

More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than in Horth American commercial nuclear power accidents.

Posted by: Political Junkie at June 10, 2011 5:04 PM

ET, the (BP) Gulf oil spill killed 11 people instantly in the fire resulting from the blow-out. Probably human error is the ultimate cause of the BP oil spill. Not sure what is the cause of the E. coli outbreak, possibly human error as well.
It is just ironic that the Germans are intent on phasing out nuclear energy due to fear of it's dangers while promoting "green" technologies, including organic farming, that has in this case killed more than the other 2 disasters together. The 3000 people who have taken sick may have their health compromised for the rest of their lives, from what I have heard about the effects of E. coli infections.
But energy companies, bad; organic farming, good, sigh....

Posted by: Sexton Beetle at June 10, 2011 5:09 PM

$20 says that the whole thing was caused by someone wiping their ass with their fingers. Backwards nations must remain confined to their borders and not imported into the Western countries where they are mistakenly treated as equals in a 'multicultural' society.

Posted by: Aaron at June 10, 2011 5:27 PM

Its all about selectability & direction.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at June 10, 2011 5:39 PM

Yowsers some people must carry their heads awfully low for something so self evident to fly right over. I'm talking to you ET and Larry!
The plain truth is if something bad happens that involves oil or nuclear energy then we're all doomed, the sky is falling and government must shut it down. FOR THE CHILDREN! But if something like this happens ... crickets. Get it? I didn't think so.

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at June 10, 2011 6:00 PM

I just now clicked on the link and it appears the page has been taken down.

Posted by: Tim P at June 10, 2011 6:01 PM

vin air

4:42 PM on June 5, 2011

If it's "organic" then it probably has a bit farm sh!te in it.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/04/11/mischa-popoff-beware-of-organic-crusaders/

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5:26 PM on June 5, 2011

In this case not. The place that they closed down is "philosophically vegetarian", meaning they don't keep farm animals and don't use any animal based manures. All their fertilizers are plant based.
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8:20 PM on June 5, 2011

Show proof. This is not "climatology".

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/german-sprouts-suspected-in-e-coli-outbreak/article2047838/

Posted by: vin air at June 10, 2011 6:13 PM

Like Tim P: Washington Times link says, "Oops, we can't seem to find that page".

Posted by: lookout at June 10, 2011 6:18 PM

I did a search and found it at the following URL:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/8/dead-bodies-demand-organic-food-moratorium/

It looks like there may be a space in the work "food" in the link.

Posted by: Charles at June 10, 2011 6:22 PM

Found the page at:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/8/dead-bodies-demand-organic-food-moratorium/

I think we should really make use of the precautionary principle here and demand that "organic" food be banned from supermarkets.

"Organic" food is one thing that I will never buy in a grocery store as I pay too much for food as it is. I do buy from local farmers and prefer to get free range beef and lamb whenever possible. Free range chickens taste a lot better than the factory grown kind. I also have my own garden and I guess it's not "organic" because I use fertilizer on it. I won't use manure any more because it's from unknown sources and I don't want bacterial contamination. I do compost all of my kitchen waste (except for meat which makes the compost pile far too smelly) and add that to the soil to facilitate water holding capacity which is important in a dry environment.

Posted by: loki at June 10, 2011 6:31 PM

SDN - organic or 'natural' farming was the mainstay of agriculture until the 20th century. It wasn't a source of constant death and destruction. Farmers had learned how to deal with manure and proper fertilization.

sexton beetle, david gillies - the long term effects of nuclear radiation contamination of both plant and animal/human life - isn't the same as the immediate death toll in the accident. It's obviously much higher.

thomas-l, certainly when a nuclear accident occurs, it's far more damaging than food poisoning because of the long term effects of radiation on plant and animal/human life. That's why govts worry about it.

As for the oil spill - no-one is complaining about oil for health reasons. And the key person wanting the Gulf Oil shut down was Obama, who then supported Brazil (and George Soros, his mentor) doing exactly the same thing.

And you know what is interesting? Consider how many comments here come up with totally different reasons for acknowledging the..whatever..of the quote. Hmm.

As Larry correctly points out, it's a niche market and keeps small farms in business. And no, organic foods aren't contaminated or disease-inducing - any more than commercial ones. There have been contaminants in commercial food sources as well: tomatoes, spinach, pork, milk, choclate bars - all commercially produced.

Posted by: ET at June 10, 2011 6:34 PM

Read an interesting critique of finishing cattle and the rise of e-coli. Seems e-coli is killed in the cow's intestinal track by acidity. But when the cow is fattened with grain it makes the gut highly acidic which kills most of the e-coli bacteria but the few remaining are now used to high acidity and when the cow is not butchered correctly as they were in earlier times as shown in the book Fast Food Nation they get into the meat.

When we eat the contaminated meat our acidic intestinal track which would have killed the remaining bacteria has no effect on the ones now used to high acidity hence we get sick.

Another unintended consequence.

Posted by: dave at June 10, 2011 6:51 PM


ET

I agree that the juxtapose doesn't quite fit, and the coverage of this event has been good. Perhaps you're taking me too literally, because I meant in general, the media give disproportionate grace to those organic farmers, and fear mongering for the others.

I think Kate's wondering where the articles saying "buy regular produce, it's safe". See what I mean?

"But both types can exist and there's no need to denigrate the one vs the other."

Agreed. But I think we're just having a little fun at the expense of the hippy's sacred cow; just as I dis soccer when pinko soccer fans are in earshot, even though I watch the odd game of footsies myself. The “schaudenfred”is well worth the heat for taking an irrational position.

Have a great weekend ET.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at June 10, 2011 6:53 PM

Organic cukes (or sprouts) kill more than nukes.

Posted by: R. Shearer at June 10, 2011 7:08 PM

I remember having read many, many years ago at Junk Science that beansprouts were responsible for most the U.S.'s botulism (or salmonella?) poisoning. The "organic" is no surprise either.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 10, 2011 7:19 PM

Until you have eaten Watermelon from Korea, grown in a Honey-Hole, your tastebuds are inert...It gives another meaning to recycling

Posted by: Slap Shot at June 10, 2011 7:30 PM

Right, ricardo.

"Organic" food is a marketing ploy. If one is truly concerned about the origins of one's food, educate oneself and make friends with local food-sellers.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at June 10, 2011 7:36 PM

Way to go... you are linked at American Thinker!!

Posted by: James at June 10, 2011 7:36 PM

The Left despite all its "humanitarian" mewling has very high tolerance for human death, into the tens of millions if necessary to bring about their own utopian vision. One of their prime spokespersons, much decorated by western academia is Eric Hobsbawm, who in an interview with Robert Conquest said words to the effect that twenty million dead (the real communist butcher's bill was a hundred million) was a price worth paying to bring billions in the world communist "paradise". So the Left is interested in deaths only if they can be used in some way to flog the right. The Left lacks all moral standards itself and excuses all its crimes while holding the right up to impossible to meet standards. That they have been allowed to get away with this shameless double standard is the fault of conservatives for never fighting back with sufficient force to discredit the Left permanently as world class hypocrites.

Posted by: kivi at June 10, 2011 7:49 PM

$20 says that the whole thing was caused by someone wiping their ass with their fingers. Backwards nations must remain confined to their borders and not imported into the Western countries where they are mistakenly treated as equals in a 'multicultural' society

End quote:

Isn't that what happened in Mexico because the workers were pooping in the fields they were picking in?

Posted by: Rose at June 10, 2011 7:55 PM

ET, did you miss where the German government is shutting down all their nuke reactors because -less- people died from the deadly radiation than just snuffed it from organic bean sprouts.

And not a single "END ORGANIC NOW!!!" demonstration anywhere.

Its funny! Laugh already! :)

Posted by: The Phantom at June 10, 2011 7:59 PM

Pardon me, but as the other "disaters" killed zero people, then there can only be ....

Do the math, folks.

Posted by: Robert of Ottawa at June 10, 2011 8:10 PM

ET: "Chernobyl had over 4,000 deaths. Only 47 were a direct result..."

No, it did not. The immediate fatalities were 31. There have been a further 16 deaths attributable to Chernobyl because all of these individuals received prompt doses in excess of 2 Sv.

There have not been 4,000 deaths caused by the accident. There has been to date approximately 1500 incidences of thyroid cancer in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. The number of fatalities from these has been much less than 1 per cent. There has been no observable rise in any form of cancer prone to radiation propagation, particularly leukemia. Since the latency period for leukemia is long past, there will not be any such rise.

Moreover, the incidence of thyroid cancer cannot be reliably attributed to Chernobyl because there is no reliable base line data from Ukraine prior to the disaster. We do not know how much of the 1500 cases occurs naturally and how much is excess.

The definitive statement on the health effects of the Chernobyl accident was produced in 2000 by UNSCEAR.

Phantom, they're not shutting down anything until 2022. The previous phaseout which the Germans started to implement in the 1990s called for all reactors to be shut down after 25 years. That would have meant the last reactor closing in 2015. They canceled this a few years ago. So the current German government policy represents a life extension over the previous phaseout timetable.

Between now and 2022 there will be at least four national elections. The purpose of the so-called phaseout was simply to get the Greens off Merkel's back in the next election. It means utterly nothing in practical effect.

Posted by: cgh at June 10, 2011 9:23 PM

I think that rational discussion about food, additives, regular produce vs 'organic', nuclear poison, hormones (for livestock), is a very necessary and valuable debate to have. What irks me, like you Indiana Homez, is the agenda of the media spinners; they never fail to make rational thought impossible.

Posted by: Jema 54 at June 10, 2011 9:54 PM

According to World Health Organization statistics on E. coli deaths, in just the past two years, more people have been killed by the disease than all fission-related events since the dawn of the nuclear age - even if you include the use of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And let us not forget green heroine Rachel Carson,who has killed millions in Africa.You put shiite on your food,you get sick.And ET is so far out in left field on this one,she thinks she's in right.

Posted by: Justthinkin at June 10, 2011 10:56 PM

What a huge crock of alarmist bullshit propaganda. I've eaten organic food for most of my life. I never get sick.

The problem is personal hygene in the food processing business, it has nothing to do with 'organic' or 'non-organic'. Many minimum wage workers in Europe and elsewhere are 3rd world immigrants with little or no understanding of basic hygene. Many don't even know about toilet paper. The post that said it was caused by someone wiping their ass with their fingers and not adequately washing their hands nailed it totally.

This also sums up the alarmist BS beautifully.
Fukushima qua nuclear accident killed precisely NOBODY. No-one. Not a single soul. All fatalities were either prompt (crane fell over, drowning etc.), or unrelated (guy has a heart attack which he could have had standing in line at the grocery store). More people died today on America's roads than have ever died in nuclear accidents, and that includes Chernobyl.

So many people show their ignorance and stupidity falling for this alarmist twaddle.

Posted by: North_of_60 at June 11, 2011 12:15 AM

"END ORGANIC NOW!!!" Posted by: The Phantom

Such ignorance and stupidity. Nobody is forcing anyone to eat organic. This sounds like some sort of lieberal idiot telling people what they can or can not eat. Let people make their own choices. The ones that make stupid choices will die. So what? That's just one less stupid idiot to breed more.

Posted by: North_of_60 at June 11, 2011 12:25 AM

North_of_60: "The ones that make stupid choices will die."

You planning to live forever?

Posted by: ∞² at June 11, 2011 12:38 AM

I'm confused ... is organic bean sprouts a "smart" choice?

Posted by: ∞² at June 11, 2011 12:42 AM

∞²

That depends on how you define smrt.

Posted by: syncrodox at June 11, 2011 1:18 AM

I'm confused ...Posted by: ∞²

yup, that's obvious.

Posted by: North_of_60 at June 11, 2011 4:13 AM

there ya go again Kaaaaate !!!!

linking to the seriously hated MSM to prove a point.

what does that make you? a conservative double hypocrite? hmmm?

Posted by: ping at June 11, 2011 7:50 AM

Since its inception the organic food movement has been framed around issues of health and safety with our media leading the parade. Kate is entirely within bounds to point out the new found quiescence of our media as opposed their normal cheerleading stance.

Posted by: nold at June 11, 2011 9:15 AM

I thought orgasmic was good,

Oh, wait.

Posted by: sylvanguy at June 11, 2011 10:15 AM

When I go to the supermarket I always ask a clerk where the in-organic carrots are.

They don't know how to answer.

All carrots are organic stupid.

In fact all produce is organic regardless on how it is produced. Marketing people are trying to re-define a scientific term.

Posted by: RL at June 11, 2011 10:35 AM

The USDA is conducting a crusade against raw milk. It has several superior properties to cooked milk. It does leave the cow sterile. It is enclosed and chilled so it doesn't really give access to contamination. Organics are exposed to bird poo and soil contamination. I see raw milk is a concern trolling stunt by the feds and it makes them look like they are on top of the food chain.

Posted by: Henry chance at June 11, 2011 11:06 AM


I am so stealing that line.

Posted by: Ronsonic at June 11, 2011 12:07 PM

Having visited many raw milk farms, I insist on pasturized milk. Dead flies and other contaminents are not my flavour of the month. But as Vίt says each to his own taste! As to organic food, check the scientific papers - there is no nutritional or vitamin or flavour difference. Unfortunately, to render raw manure safe for application, it must be heated generally by composting to an internal temperature high enough to render the pathogens inert.

Posted by: Mikewa at June 11, 2011 1:31 PM

"It does leave the cow sterile." Drinking raw milk makes cows infertile? lol Apart from the poor sentence construction the problem with raw milk isn't the cow. Its the process of extracting the milk from the cow and getting it to your table that presents problems. I don't eat raw meat or raw eggs or raw milk. I don't eat raw vegetables that are raised in raw poop either.

Posted by: Joe at June 11, 2011 1:48 PM

cgh said: "Phantom, they're not shutting down anything until 2022."

True, but immediately following the Fukushima accident they -announced- they were shutting everything down. Made a big fuss about it. Realistically they probably won't shut any of them down, it'll be just like Dalton's promise to shut down coal in Ontario. Lots of announcements, not much shutting down action. Even though you are more likely to be killed by organic bean sprouts than having three reactors melt down in your neighborhood. Which is of course the source of the humor, and the point of the thread.

North_of_60, what I actually said was "And not a single "END ORGANIC NOW!!!" demonstration anywhere."

I am not advocating the end of organic agriculture. Even though organic produce just killed more people than three nuclear reactors melting down in Japan, I'm firmly in favor of choice.

You want to eat the organically grown, wholesome, nourishing Bean Sprouts Of Shrieking Face Melting Death, you go to 'er. Me, I'm staying where its safe: next to the rickety old nuke station on the fault line near the ocean with the tsunamis and the hurricanes.

Risk is not in the eye of the beholder, but Liberals pretend it is.

Mikewa re: Pasteurization vs. "raw" milk. Yes, the pasteurization process was invented to solve a problem, which was people DYING from milk born diseases. Raw milk is fine so long as you cook it when you get it,or make yogurt or cheese or something out of it. It isn't like the old days when Mum milked the cow and put the still-warm-from-Bossie jug on the table for breakfast, right?

Posted by: The Phantom at June 11, 2011 2:26 PM

Sorry Crickets, Only a fool would say that. The Nuclear plants went into total meltdown & it's effects/fallout are going to be killing people & causing deformed babies for years. The gulf spill has not directly killed people YET but the people who did the cleanup are coughing up blood & getting numerous side effects from the disbursements. And time will tell if the fish & marine animals, at least those that did not die, that are contaminated that people eat won't kill more than this obvious combining of 2 strands of E Coli being used as a weapon. Spain was erroneously accused within 24 hours of being the source, when it takes 3 days to conduct tests & see what it is. Who put that crap out & why, if not to deceive us & harm others. This is another ILLUMINATI CARD (Steve Jackson Games 1995) being played on the world, WAKE UP! This was no accident by some hard working farmer who now stands accused, this is political warfare by our self proclaimed saviors, look around they are no longer denying their goals. Organic Farms are under attack, it's in the cards & now being played. A new money making vaccine or drug is sure to follow, it's in the cards.

Posted by: DoKnowGood at June 11, 2011 2:55 PM

dear donogood, i suggest counseling seeing as how your meds really aren't getting the job done. maybe ping can go with you, carpool kinda thing.

Posted by: The Phantom at June 11, 2011 4:39 PM

organic produce just killed more people than three nuclear reactors melting down in Japan

Posted by: The Phantom at June 11, 2011 2:26 PM

WRONG

e-coli just killed more people than three nuclear reactors melting down in Japan


how that e-coli got from some asshole into people's mouths has yet to be proven.

Posted by: North_of_60 at June 11, 2011 4:47 PM

Phantom I agree with you on the pasturization, but I milked cows by hand in those olden days, yes it went fresh to the table, or a shot from the teat(can I say this) for the cat. but most went to the separator for the cream can. the skim went in my glass or on my poridge.

Posted by: Mikewa at June 11, 2011 6:11 PM

"I'm confused...is organic bean sprouts a "smart" choice.."

ARE organic beans sprouts a smart choice..

sheesh, kids

Posted by: kelly at June 11, 2011 8:06 PM

Kelly - I were going to say that!

Posted by: ∞² at June 11, 2011 9:00 PM

nuh-uh about milk being sterile as it leaves the cow. TB is a possibility, and I'm sure others.

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