RCGZ! There's a $50 donation to your charity of choice coming your way, Rob.
"Snagglepuss" also had the CPC with 167 seats, with RCGZ's higher count for the NDP as tiebreaker.
Of the 88 SDA readers who posted formal seat breakdown predictions, nearly 75% predicted a CPC majority parliament. What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't?
Posted by Kate at May 3, 2011 9:40 AM
Well I think it's quite clear that Harper owes this change in momentum to Obama, for taking out Bin Laden on the eve of our election.
/sarc
Posted by: Luke at May 3, 2011 9:42 AMThe MSM is officially DOA!
Yippee!
Sell off ceeb tv
Dismantle the crtc
SDA replaces MSM!
Posted by: trappedintrudeaupia at May 3, 2011 9:44 AM"What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't"?
I just closely observed Harper in the final two days. He seemed incredibly relaxed and confident. One has to think that the CPC put its overflowing warchest to good use by micro-polling every last riding in the country. Unlike the mainstream "pollsters", it accordingly knew exactly what the lay of the land was, and understood that it would have a good night.
It did.
Posted by: Wicked Wasabi at May 3, 2011 9:45 AMI just figured that people had had enough of the posturing and power-seeking.
Mind you, the NDP surge kinda scared me, but I hoped that it would split the left.
Posted by: Another Calgary Marc at May 3, 2011 9:49 AMWhat was known was obtained by listening, rather than telling. I find I learn much more that way.
Meeting the public every day, people from all walks of life, it was apparent that the populace was angry about the election being forced, still very hostile to the Librano gang for the years of theft and corruption, but most of all - deeply worried about the uncertainty of the *global* economy - realizing full well that the whirring printing presses south of the border are inviting hyperinflation. The price of a head of cabbage is evidence enough.
I suppose the pollsters' wallets are bulging and they don't feel the effects in the economy like average Canadians.
Polling from the Ivory Tower has its risks, apparently.
Polling without listening is not polling. It is something else.
Off topic, I know, but Bell TV has pulled Sun News Network and is displaying the following message, "Sun News was removed from your satellite service on May 3 at the request of the owners of Sun News".
Huh?
Posted by: A Dog Named Kyoto at May 3, 2011 10:06 AMCongratulations on an historic election, hosers!
I can't vote here yet, but I have been watching with great interest from the Holy Riding of Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough. The Liberals were your greatest threat and they were absolutely crushed.
The NDP will only further discredit lefty ideals with the pack of skids they pushed onto the ballots.
I think the more polarized the parties are, the clearer the choices will be for Canadians.
Way to go, Ignatieff! Self-inflicted head wounds are the most entertaining!
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 3, 2011 10:06 AMAnyone who was polling just buried the lede.
Nanos polling on Sunday showed Conservative jumped back up to 38.7%. They just avoided drawing the obvious conclusion as to where the last 48 hr deciders were going.
Posted by: mikey at May 3, 2011 10:06 AM"What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't?"
We knew that ... "If you wish long enough and hard enough, your dreams will come true" - Jiminy Cricket.
Posted by: Abe Froman at May 3, 2011 10:08 AMIs there any truth to the rumor that Bob fife cried like a baby on live TV last night?
OK, so it is just a personal fantasy, but he did look devastated.
Bet the Parliamentary Press Gallery is a bit worried today.
Posted by: Fred at May 3, 2011 10:13 AMThat must just be Bell Satellite, A Dog Named Kyoto, as the Bell Fibe TV Sun TV is still on air.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 3, 2011 10:15 AMKate, let me finish that headline for you.
"Election 2011: And The Winner Is...
CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!>b>
Ignatief is not nearly as gracious this morning, as he was last night.
Posted by: BB at May 3, 2011 10:15 AMA special thank-you to Michael and Gilles for calling this election. Must confess I was against it but am happy to accept the decision of the Canadian people.
Posted by: WalterF at May 3, 2011 10:18 AMAnyone besides me find Mr. Ignatieff's civics lecture disguised as a concession speech totally out of place?
No wonder he lost not only his seat, but his leadership position.
Posted by: mike in white rock at May 3, 2011 10:19 AMWhat struck me reading the predictions by SDA visitors is virtually no one saw the momentum of the NDP surge nor the crushing defeat of the Bloc.
So while many predicted the CP majority, after that the accuracy of second, third and so on is left wanting. I believed the NDP would increase their seats by quite a bit but I too, did not see the amazing decimation of the Bloq.
Posted by: a different bob at May 3, 2011 10:19 AMHonestly, all the talk this past week of PM Layton, and another CPC minority had me boggled. I wasn't getting that at all from the polls, and was fairly confident the CPC would get the majority. That was my read anyways, and it's gratifying to see I was right. Although I will admit, I thought the majority would be by a slimmer margin.
I was pleased to see the CPC leading or elected in 138 seats when BC and Alberta were still to report last night. I knew then a majority was on its way, and savored my red wine.
Posted by: Colin in Mission BC at May 3, 2011 10:24 AMIggy going back to Harvard - CANADA HE'S NOT IN TO IT FOR YOU!!!!
Posted by: Fritz at May 3, 2011 10:24 AMCongratulations to RCGZ and Snagglepuss and to Kate for providing the forum.
I had 168 for the Conservatives, but did not pick a higher number for the Marxists because who knew in March that Mr. Iffy and ex-commie Duceppe would stumble and Rub and Tug Jack would give Iffy the coup de grass with the attendance jab.
To be honest, I was a little nonplussed with the what appeared to be a snoozer Conservative campaign.
It is now high time for PM Harper to get to work and implement as soon as possible what most of us on SDA and among the faithful supporters have been waiting for.
Just a partial list from me.
1. The end of the long registry.
2. Dual Wheat Board
3. More parliamentary seats for the west.
4. Changes to the senate.
I didn't provide a seat projection, but I have always been confident that Ontario hasn't forgotten Rae days. They knew the LPC was in trouble and there was no way in he!! they were voting an NDP government. That's why GTA went blue and fundamentally why the CPC has a majority this morning.
The other point to note is that, outside Quebec, the orange "tide" was not much more than a trickle. And I'm not so sure that's going to play well for the NDP going forward... being Quebec's beotch and all.
Posted by: Mark at May 3, 2011 10:25 AMIffy just resigned on CTV, of course his resignation was all about him him him.
Posted by: Rose at May 3, 2011 10:27 AMCongratulations RCGZ!
a different bob- Don't forget these predictions were made before March 27th. At that time there wasn't the slightest indication of the NDP's strength or the Bloc's demise. The last couple of weeks, that became a lot more evident.
Posted by: Snagglepuss at May 3, 2011 10:28 AMNot to rain on Snagglepuss and RCGZ's parade, (Well done) but I think only two prognosticators forecast the Lib/Dip inversion.
Nobody saw the collapse of the Bloc.
As NFL Commentator Chris Berman says: That's why we play the games on Sunday."
CPC: 220
LPC: 17
NDP: 23
BQ: 48
Posted by: FREE at March 25, 2011 5:33 PM
Iain did it with :
CPC 180
Bloc 48
NDP 45
Lib 35
One can dream.
Posted by: Iain at March 27, 2011 2:27 AM
Good on you.
Posted by: richfisher at May 3, 2011 10:31 AMI sensed Sunday evening P.M.Harper was in by receiving from the Con. party a telephone call to register for a special event on Tues. afternoon. Welcoming P.M. Harper back to near the Ottawa airport, on his return from Calgary where he watched the election results. Not the usual practise of a losing party and candidate!
Posted by: Mikewa at May 3, 2011 10:32 AMQuestion of the election for me...
Where will the perennial protest vote go next election in Quebec? They are out of parties now.
Posted by: molarmauler at May 3, 2011 10:32 AM@ andycanuck @ 10:15
Yes, it's Bell Satellite that has dropped Sun TV
Posted by: A Dog Named Kyoto at May 3, 2011 10:39 AMI have a slightly different suggestion for a first piece of legislation before moving onto the other important items listed by so many SDAers: a clear definition and parameters for the forming of a coalition majority (or minority!) government.
It should include items such as the coalition must have more seats than the largest party (no combined Grit & NDP with fewer seats than the CPC forming the government crap even if there is some deal with other party/ies); and it must run as a coalition (only 1 candidate per riding etc.) in any election brought about by non-confidence voted in the largest party or over the issue of the coalition's right to form the government; and maybe that any coalition, like the Tories and Lib-Dems in the UK, must include the party with the most seats. The Governor-General isn't always going to be honest and we need to smother this beast preemptively now forever.
BTW, here's the Prime Minister's victory speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChPR00B24Y&feature=youtu.be
Does anybody have the lowdown on Iggy's pension? Did he get in enough time to collect a pension as an MP? Did he snooker himself by calling this election to soon?
Enquiring minds need to know.
MPs need 6 years to qualify for a pension and Ig only did 5.25 years (Feb, 2006 - May 2011) so, nope, no pension for him.
Layton's fun in the new house starts asap. Bets that his new causcus implodes within the year? NDP promises made to Bloc voters will not stand the test of time. Do not be surprised if Quebec NDP MPs move over to the Bloc in protest.
I was a 'campaign representative' yesterday. The NDP thought they had a shot at Kootenay Columbia and put an effort into winning it. Our CPC candidate polled at 55% which is down a bit. My observation was that the NDP's level of sophistication with the poll info was not there. Our info was going thru to a central dispatch and then a phone bank to supporters.
PMSH promise to kill campaign funding ($2/vote/year) will seriously hurt campaign funding for those parties who do not have a riding org. It will put some power back into the riding associations which will be great for democracy but deadly for media revenue.
Posted by: ct at May 3, 2011 10:56 AM"What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't?"
We knew our nice mainstream media jobs didn't depend on making the Liberals look good. So we didn't have to lie and distort everything we saw.
Actually, I'm pleasantly surprised by the Conservative victory. Given the Ford victory in the GTA I was expecting a larger CPC minority, with Iggy, Jack and Gilles trying to do a palace revolution via their Coalition. Instead, Gilles is OUT, Iggy is going back to Hahvahd, and Happy Jack is suddenly Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.
Looks like my fellow Ontarians aren't happy about $5.50/gallon gas and Iggy's promise of a new carbon tax. I wonder how long it will be before Happy Jack gets the memo about Global Warming being busted?
I see the Conservatives have a lot of work to do in Quebec, breaking up the French language propaganda monopoly the socialists have. Maybe they will get the message when the welfare gets cut, eh?
Posted by: The Phantom at May 3, 2011 10:59 AMonce again we are to be governed by a party that took slightly LESS than 40% of the popular vote.
nothing here, move along, move along.
Posted by: hippie5.0 at May 3, 2011 10:59 AMI never thought I would live to see Conservative Brampton West - a stronghold of LPC in the GTA.
Wow!
But turnout was extremely low, that's true.
Posted by: Aaron at May 3, 2011 11:03 AMhey hippie, when you have more than two parties the winner -never- has over 50%.
Oh sorry, I forgot hippies can't do math.
Anyway, we feeeel your pain dude.
Posted by: The Phantom at May 3, 2011 11:03 AMkathryn said "MPs need 6 years to qualify for a pension and Ig only did 5.25 years (Feb, 2006 - May 2011) so, nope, no pension for him."
I'm sure that the pension issue was part of the package deal that brought him back to Canada. You think he'd tough it out until he was elegible to collect one. He could actually be dumber than I thought.
Posted by: $ FKA gord at May 3, 2011 11:09 AMRose @ 10:27, I agree. Iggy's (way TOO-OO-OO long) speeches this morning and last evening were really all about him being “gracious in defeat”, except, IMO, his insincerity shone through. It's as if he were reading a teleprompter stacked with "gracious defeat” speeches: the right words were there, but not the feeling. I’ll bet he and Zsuzsanna have already packed their bags and can’t wait to vamoose!
The female host at SUN TV this morning seemed to have been taken in by Iggy: in effect, she said, “If only he had behaved in this exemplary way during the campaign . . .” I was surprised she was taken in by his farewell tour acting job.
Good riddance, Iggy!
"You think he'd tough it out until he was eligible to collect one."
He doesn't have a seat to get his last 7 or so months in and I doubt any Grit will resign his seat to let Iggy run in a byeelection to try to get a seat for those months.
According to Borque (where I went just to enjoy the tasty schadenfreude)Count Iggula has officially stepped down as Liberal Party Fearless Leader as of 10AM today.
I bet the Iggula family Volvo is burnin' rubber down the QEW already, heading for Ft. Erie and the nearest border point. Seeee ya!
Posted by: The Phantom at May 3, 2011 11:15 AM"Layton's fun in the new house starts asap. Bets that his new causcus implodes within the year? NDP promises made to Bloc voters will not stand the test of time. Do not be surprised if Quebec NDP MPs move over to the Bloc in protest. "
Posted by: ct at May 3, 2011 10:56 AM
Agreed, ct. The former blockheads joining the ranks of the NDP is a marriage of the totally selfish to untested blowhards. They deserve each other. Lets sit back and watch the fun.
Posted by: G's Friend at May 3, 2011 11:20 AMFirst off, hippei5.0, yes the CPC had less than 40%, however, look at Quebec, take them out of the math and what's leftover. That's still split among about 63 other parties. So don't give us that cr@p about 61% didn't vote for them.
Ken at 10:25. I beg to differ. Yes scrap the LGR but let's take the wheatboard with it. Less beauracracy, not more. Fewer commons seats overall. Rejig the ridings across the country. Think of the support staff required.
My personal wish, being a pensioner myself, is put the MPs pension more in line with the private sector. I might add that in order to qualify as a federal party, they must run candidates in at least 50% of the ridings. That would eliminate the fringe/radical parties that merely run interference. The BQ as a federal party? I think not.
Thanks for the opportunity to vent and it's MARVELOUS day to be Canadian!
Posted by: Olde Spice at May 3, 2011 11:22 AMGood point, andycanuck @ 10:42, about the conditions for a coalition government.
I’d like to see the Conservatives deal with the Bloq situation: e.g., ban any regional, separatist, political party from holding seats in Canada’s federal parliament. The Bloq’s presence in Ottawa completely distorted the political landscape of this country. Such a travesty—the tail, not even connected to the body, except at feeding time, wagging the dog—must not be allowed to happen again.
What are SDAers’ thoughts on this? Do you think the Conservatives will address this issue—and how?
Iggy and Dion each had valuable talents of use to a political party. Putting them in the leadership position
in both instances and expecting a compliant MSM to successfully sell them to the populace like a new
detergent showed a lack of discernment by those at the top rungs of the Liberal Party. Sticking to old
nonsense like having alternating Quebecois/non Quebecois leaders indicated that the entire party
membership were lacking when it came to tough evaluations and picking a real winner who
would be more than acceptable with minimal touch up to the general run of voters.
Not that the other parties have ever been immune when it comes to being starry eyed and blithely picking
some of the most unsuitable candidates on offer to lead them.
I F***ed up big time on my election prediction, gave the Conservatives 145-150 seats.
Thankfully,I was wrong. Figured the NDP would do well, but didn't see the collapse of the Liberals.
I usually have the same luck predicting the Stanley Cup winner as well.
Our Kelowna-Lake Country MP,Ron Cannan won in a landslide. At the Party last night his campaign manager thanked the volunteers, said there were more than 200 of us.
A lot of the organizing was done by a former stamp licker with the Post Office,and he was roundly applauded for his organizational abilities in Lake Country.
It was my first time working on a political campaign, it won't be the last, great people to work with in the CPC.
Posted by: dmorris at May 3, 2011 11:29 AM
Congratulations my Canadian Comrades. I hope we have similiar results in 2012.
Ohh, Jackie Layton is in for a world of hurt in the next 4 years. Wait until they realize Jack doesn't have any leverage to pry open the goodie bag (anymore)....hehehehe
Strategic voting works wonders....
Posted by: jcl at May 3, 2011 11:40 AM"What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't?"
That the Liberal party was vulnerable in and around Toronto and that Iggy wasn't waking anybody up.
Oh and that the con vote was rock hard, like a floor and that the pollsters had a history of undercountring con votes by about 1.5 to 2 %
Finally, that the desire for stability was being expressed by many, tired of elections and all stuff that pundits love
That youth dont vote in the numbers that non youth wish they would, Obama's victory was fuelled by middle aged white people not a surge of the youth vote.
MSM and pundits predicted the weather as in it was 80 degrees so it will be 80 degrees tomorrow.
I did not predict the full collapse of the Lib vote nor the rise of the Dippers, outside my area of expertise. But I know the 905 and the 519 REALLY well. You know the areas journalists hate and look down on.
The MSM really needs to think again about there real objectivity. And whether they need to spend more time with friends and family who live outside THEIR BUBBLE.
Posted by: Stephen at May 3, 2011 11:52 AMOff topic but Re Sun News on Bell TV in Manitoba,
Channel 213,
Sun News was removed from your satellite on May 3 at the request of the owners of Sun News.
Perhaps this topic re Sun News could become a thread of its own.
What is going on.
Posted by: From Manitoba at May 3, 2011 12:06 PMWHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ndp HAVE 5 FEWER SEATS OUTSIDE QUEBEC THAN BEFORE THE ELECTION! CANADA HAS NOT ONLY REJECTED THE LIBERALS BUT HAS ALSO REJECTED THE ndp!
Posted by: Carl at May 3, 2011 12:09 PMWell, I didn't predict the #s but did predict a CPC Majority.
Why? What were the options? Harper is not too warm and fuzzy but then he doesn't go for massages either.
Iggy and his legion of high-priced stratagists could not stop a train wreck from happening as this was an election no Canadian wanted. Bringing in Martin and Chretien was silly.
His wife is his best advisor and he comes from the West. Good times are here again!
Posted by: The LS from SK at May 3, 2011 12:17 PMAs some have already said,YES jackie chow may be smiling this am...BUT this poodle puppy love with Kebec ain't going to last.
These are fractious kids who want their sugar fix NOW!!
No can do Jack...No real Power?...Ahhh too bad.
Good luck trying to keep corral and discipline over that motley crew you've got for backbenchers.
Quebec's a high maintainance date if ever there was one and she's going to demand you waltz every dance with her.
From here it looks good on you buddy.
Posted by: old duffer at May 3, 2011 12:22 PMGood point Carl,basically what we have is the bloc with a coat of orange paint.It would appear that the Quebecois dropped duceppe because he could not deliver, I fail to see where jack the dipper will do any better and looking at his seat holders,I see a potential for much less, anticipate some great political theatre as the orange slate decomposes.The "velvet touch revolution" has the life expectancy of a used kleenex
Posted by: nick at May 3, 2011 12:24 PMFrom Manitoba:
Re Sun News & Bell TV
I'm in central Alberta & I'm getting the same message. WTF
One of the first things on the CPC's agenda needs to be the selling off of the CBC. "It's ours" remember?
Hippie 5:
What do you think of Obama's landslide with 52, 53% of the popular vote? What about this scenario. Party WXY has candidates in every riding & gets 5% of the vote in every result, getting thoroughly rejected in every riding. But you say they should have 15 - 16 seats. Yeah that's fair. Too bad life isn't. Plus it's going to lead to ridings having 2 - 3 representatives and some with none. Yeah that's fair. Somehow this argument only comes up when the left loses.
Thany you Kate for all your work at sda that helped bring in this cpc victory.
The old song mockingbird hill comes to mind thismorning........
tis a great, great day to wake up in the morning indeed.
ot. called sun news about pulling their news channel on bell.
they said they didn't know why it was pulled.
called bell, they said sun news tv was no longer available & that i could no longer get it.
cancelled my bell acc. thismorning.....
guess bell didn't like the election result.
bygeorge
Posted by: bygeorge at May 3, 2011 12:41 PMSoooooo hippie....Boob Rae getting only 37% of the vote when Morontarions elected him to destroy the province was a good day for democracy compared to PMSH,s election??? Oh right. As Phantom said,hippies can,t do math,or think for that matter.
Posted by: Justthinkin at May 3, 2011 12:43 PMolde Spice @ 11:22, re the Wheat board, yes I agree.
Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at May 3, 2011 12:55 PMBut hippies know exactly how much one gram is.
Posted by: Eskimo at May 3, 2011 12:56 PMThe Progressive Left is toast.
Jack Layton will pay the price of riding the Orange wave to opposition in Quebec.
Were I Jack Layton, I'd be more weary of my so called 'friends' than my enemies.
Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 3, 2011 12:56 PMIt's not so much that we knew more than the media, they knew exactly what we did and more...it's that we didn't try and conceal it. I watched the returns on CTV last night while checking Sun on the net and even when the totals climbed above 155, they never mentioned the possibility of a majority, it was like they were avoiding it. Their coverage of the maritimes was consistently pro-liebral, they said Harper had failed here when his seat count went up by 25%...the Canadian MSM is simply in denial that THEY also lost last night, even today it's Harpers 'campaign of fear' that won, not thefact that the Canadian taxpayer doesn't have any more use for liebrals and the only ones voting for jacko are the ones that never paid taxes in their life..students and low or no income people that haven't had to write a 4 or 5 figure cheque to the government on April 30th to cover their cheques from the government...small wonder the moonbat students that scream for free tuition today become Conservatives down the road if they ever get a real job and start paying taxes instead of relying on handouts from daddy or the government...as far as I'm concerned, if you don't pay taxes you shouldn't have a say in how they're raised. Call it classism if you want, but I'm tired of footing the bill for somebody else's pizza and beer without getting any myself and I don't see why they should be the ones telling me that I have to pay extra to upsize theirs.
Posted by: Bemused at May 3, 2011 12:58 PMWell, I was right about the CPC majority but 7 short, right about Lieberal losses but gave them 6 more than they got, but way out with the Bloc heads and Dippers. I figured Dippers would gain but not so much and who could have thought that the Quebecois were that tired of their separatist dog & pony show?
Lieberals biggest mistake (besides leadership) was that they were trying to outdo the NDP in bribing Canadians with their own money. One look at the spenders south of the border would convince most folks that it ain't going to happen.
I figure NDP supporters are such an entitled crowd they vote based on a dream they know deep down ain't there. Kind of like lotto tickets; great to dream on, not so good to plan on.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at May 3, 2011 1:01 PM@RGB in Alberta,
It doesn't makes sense that Sun News would request Bell to stop broadcasting. There has to be a reason.
Nothing regarding this at sunnewsnetwork.ca
Posted by: From Manitoba at May 3, 2011 1:03 PMp.s. What are the odds that the newest resident of Stornoway will be taken to task for his past "medical" indiscretions ? Or, maybe Jacko will renovate a room in the attic into a massage parlour?
Posted by: Texas Canuck at May 3, 2011 1:06 PMMy Take:
Bell Media owns Bell sat.
Bell Media owns CTV.
Sun Newsnet is kicking CTV's ass in the ratings.
Why carry a competitor that's beating your butt.
Not only that, Harper won.
Result ... Pull Sun newsnet.
I don't believe Sun wanted off Bell Sat.
I'm cancelling Bell Sat. And I still won't go back to CTV.
"What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't?"
I can't say how much the 'pundocracy' actually knows, but they showed remarkable tenacity in opposing the Conservatives every step of the way. In the early days, when it looked like the Liberals were still going to be the second-largest party, they supported the Liberals; only when it became apparent that the Red Machine was imploding did they start pushing the "Orange Surge" (which as noted by others was in fact confined to Quebec).
As for the pollsters, I generally don't like 'em but they had a very difficult job in a churning electoral sea. The late polls IMO were closer than people are giving them credit for. Most late polls showed the Liberals around 19%. They finished with 18.9. Most late polls showed the NDP with 30 to 32%. They finished with 30.6. Similarly, final polls for the Conservatives actually weren't that far off the actual count.
What nobody predicted was Quebec. I didn't think the BQ could evaporate like that, and it appalls me that people can vote for candidates they've never heard of. As for the other nine provinces, I overestimated the Libs; I thought they'd hold on to more seats in southern Ontario, and I actually thought the Conservatives would win a few more seats in B.C. than they actually did. (I had the CPC at 160, getting a majority with a late surge in B.C.)
Posted by: CJ at May 3, 2011 1:24 PMDeep down, average Canadians are intrinsically an optimistic bunch. Contrast that with the pessimistic "someone peed in my cornflakes" outlook of the pundits/ MSM / pollsters etc.
We saw the good in a majority conservative gov't.
Posted by: pkuster at May 3, 2011 1:26 PMI've been closely following the victories of the whole new slew of NDP MPs from Quebec. Ruth Ellen Brosseau is the most interesting but there are others. For example, Mathieu Ravignat from the Pontiac riding once ran as a communist. Does one really ever shed their communist underpinnings?!
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at May 3, 2011 1:41 PMjacko hasn't yet realized what's in store for him, I predict that by thie time next year, half his caucus will be calling for his head and the rest will have said so many utterly ridiculous things or demanded such pie-in-the-sky things of a majority government that no longer HAS to do anything to appease them that they won't be able to run again.
jacko is a blackmail artist and nothing more, he got $5 billion out of martini in exchange for passing one budget and he tried to pull the same thing with Harper and had his bluff called. he has no power whatsoever and his own people will ensure that he isn't seen as a 'government in waiting'.
The true dipper policies and mindset will be made apparent soon enough and even the mewlings of lizzie's first and only turn in Parliament won't distract from that...provided that it isn't found out that she stacked her riding with advance votes from people that don't live there or that managed to vote twice..once as a student somewhere else and once as a 'resident'...sorry, but I have no faith in the ethics of the greenpeace party, not after watching their antics in everything else they've ever done, to them the end justifies the means and little things like legalities aren't things to be considered...it'll be interesting to see how the vote total in her riding tallies with the population....69000 votes cast, 115,000 population...guess there aren't many non-voting age kids or ineligible immigrants there and everyone that WAS eligible to vote did..at least once.
Posted by: Bemused at May 3, 2011 1:44 PMI've been closely following the victories of the whole new slew of NDP MPs from Quebec. Ruth Ellen Brosseau is the most interesting but there are others. For example, Mathieu Ravignat, from the Pontiac riding once ran as a communist. Does one really ever shed their communist underpinnings?!
http://mathieuravignat.ndp.ca
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at May 3, 2011 1:53 PM'Bemused', you make some truly excellent points! Nothing would make me smile more than to see both Jack Layton & Lizzie May tossed on their own petards over the next 4 years. If it happens over the next 12 months, even better.
By the way, if your prediction proves out then we can accurately say: "Jack Layton's Happy Ending turned out to be premature."
Sorry, couldn't resist! :-)
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at May 3, 2011 1:56 PMThis is proof positive that the vilest, most hateful commenters of all are consistently on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECOPstypq6w
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at May 3, 2011 2:02 PMHere's the list I sent in my note of congratulations to my re-elected MP this morning:
End the long gun registry
Strengthen property rights
Reform the Senate
Restore fair representation in the House of Commons
End the subsidy of political parties
Repeal section 13.1 of the Canadian Human Rights Act
I regard the last item as fundamental. Political correctness (the suicide note of western civilization, I think), is nowhere more stridently articulated than in section 13.1. It needs to go.
"Jack Layton's Happy Ending turned out to be premature."
That's because its all about "the premature Jack Layton."
Shaidle made that up btw, I'm just stealing it. :)
Posted by: The Phantom at May 3, 2011 2:11 PMAs it turned out:
Realists, pragmatists, and cynical bastards 167
Narco-dependent Party 103
Walking Dead 34
Ghosts of Levesque 3
Shrieking Prophets of Doom 1 (+103 above)
pending recounts or acts of God
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at May 3, 2011 2:18 PMI still haven't seen a clear answer concerning Jack's plans to fine tardy/absent MPs. Is he going to give members of his own caucus enough time to get back from vacation before instituting this change???
Posted by: Luke at May 3, 2011 2:33 PMThe Morning After . . .
Raw video of Michael Ignatieff reflecting on his massive defeat.
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at May 3, 2011 2:57 PMCBC's corrupt Terry Milewski at the start of a press conference with Stephen Harper this morning: "Good morning sir. I really won't make a habit of this but congratulations may be in order ...."
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at May 3, 2011 3:03 PMDr. Dawg, within a lengthy tirade about the injustice of it all is saying (I'm paraphrasing here) @#$!%& democracy. We need lots of demonstrations and strikes to show our displeasure. TO THE BARRICADES !
That won't resonate much with real working people who must have voted CPC in large numbers to yield the electoral result but, look for plenty of trouble from the ranks of the public service.
Posted by: Zog at May 3, 2011 3:16 PMDr. Dawg, within a lengthy tirade about the injustice of it all is saying (I'm paraphrasing here) @#$!%& democracy. We need lots of demonstrations and strikes to show our displeasure. TO THE BARRICADES !
That won't resonate much with real working people who must have voted CPC in large numbers to yield the electoral result but, look for plenty of trouble from the ranks of the public service.
http://drdawgsblawg.ca
Posted by: Zog at May 3, 2011 3:20 PMBemused at 12:58 PM
Immediately report to your nearest reeducation camp, and bring a shovel.
The orange comrades will take care of the rest
Banish the thought such clear headed thinking could spread to the rest of the peasantry!
Unmeployed commissars is too cruel a notion to contemplate...
The Brosseau FB page is most likely fake. Compare this Google images hit of the Statue of Liberty replica to the one on the FB photos page.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://flatrock.org.nz/media/frontpage/41e_statue_of_liberty_las_vegas.jpg&imgrefurl=http://flatrock.org.nz/archive/2010/Nov/15/protests-against-nothingness/&usg=__1JeDscZwSI5AwYc3hIe4ROL-f2Y=&h=400&w=300&sz=16&hl=en&start=63&zoom=1&tbnid=72ZAn2P_LQfgAM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=92&ei=UFrATYy_LqbniALfksScAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvegas%2Bliberty%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D902%26gbv%3D2%26site%3Dsearch%26tbm%3Disch0%2C380&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1390&vpy=475&dur=2428&hovh=259&hovw=194&tx=115&ty=130&page=2&ndsp=81&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:63&biw=1920&bih=902
Posted by: signaller222 at May 3, 2011 3:47 PMDidn't get a chance to watch the Sun coverage, but it was fun watching Peter Mansbridge all evening going... looks solid, but there's still a lot in play. Can't declare it a majority yet....
The SunNews thing is about Bell not signing a contract to carry SunNews yet, and not paying for the feed on 213, so SunNews withdrew their feed. They want you and me to demand Bell to pay for it, basically.
Posted by: Alex at May 3, 2011 3:59 PM"What did you know that the pollsters and official pundocracy didn't?"
To quote Kathy Shaidle as quoted by you, Kate:
"The New York Times link
to me yesterday [...] generated
one-fifth of the traffic
I normally get from a link
from Small Dead Animals."
It seems ideal: CPC majority, crushed LPC, rump BQ, 1 looney GPC, and an NDP opposition with a dying leader left to handle the QC burden and a caucus split between whining French nobodies and Atlantic/BC/ON pinkos.
Re Sun/Bell
The comment re Bell cutting out the competition makes sense as does Bell requesting payment. Who knows for now.
The MSM ( some exceptions) tossed everything they could to sway the public against Harper and it didn't work. I think the majority of Canadians want a balance. No party is perfect and they saw MSM BS for what it was.
Congrats Mr. Harper.
Congrats to you as well Mr. Layton. I think politics in Canada will be very interesting over the next few years.
Posted by: From Manitoba at May 3, 2011 6:27 PM....That won't resonate much with real working people who must have voted CPC in large numbers to yield the electoral result but, look for plenty of trouble from the ranks of the public service....
ummmm...a LOT of public servants have no use for liebrals or the ndp...there are a lot of public sector unions and not every union member is looking for a chance to strike, just looking for a chance to try and make liebral appointed managers smarten up...a slim chance, granted, but it's what we want.
Carl:
NDP does not have 5 fewer seats outside PQ
they have 8 MORE seats outside PQ.
Vίtruvius makes the same mistake in his new posting. (See the top of this blog)
Where do you people get your figures from??
Try:
http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/results.html
[ Thanks Allan, I'll correct my entry. ~Vίtruvius ]
Posted by: Allan at May 3, 2011 7:04 PMKate... I sat on the edge of my seat last night watching the see-saw battle between Nettie Wiebe and Kelly Block... I'm tickled to death that Kelly won... two reasons... it's SO cool that Saskatchewan is the only province that didn't elect a dipper... and... it would have totally sucked for you, of all people, to be living in the only NDP riding in Saskatchewan...
Posted by: Glen from Saskatoon at May 3, 2011 8:01 PMFor the sake of us ignorant Southern Canadians who don't understand the leanings of your political parties and your multi-party system generally, can you please translate these results into American English?
Posted by: POWinCA at May 3, 2011 8:35 PMIt's just more than two parties, like the libertartian party in the US...in 1972 they even managed to get one electoral college vote...up here the difference is that we don't vote for our 'president' directly, the leader of the party getting the most seats is named prime minister, the problem is that with more than two parties, there's a chance that nobody would get 50% +1 of the seats...and voters moving to a third party can siphon off enough votes from another that a seat they held can now be taken by another party that kept all their voters onside, much like happened Monday...clear as mud ? don't worry, I'm still trying to figure out the electoral college ;)
POWinCA: the main thing you need to know is that every Canadian party is generally more statist than it's US counterpart. Well that used to be the case until your Democrats tried to see how socialistic they could make the US. For once, the Canadian Conservative party actually does have some conservative traits.
The Liberal party is more statist than the Conservatives and has a culture of political patronage and corruption. It also feels that it has a right to govern Canada. Hopefully it will be history once the $2/vote subsidy is eliminated as it can't raise any money unlike the Conservative party which gets most of their funding from individual Canadians. It's uniformly hated from Alberta westward due to the national energy program (NEP) which was a direct interference in Alberta's affairs, it's pandering to Quebec and the firearms registry.
The NDP (or new democratic party) is essentially a renamed communist party and their policies are to the left of european communist parties. They want state control of everything and are the most anti-American of the parties. Their primary goal is to create a culture of dependency and crush capitalism. They also appeal to union types and I've given up trying to discuss the contradiction in some NDP voters I know who are basically working class rednecks that like guns but vote NDP because it's "pro worker". Maybe they haven't read the NDP platform which would outlaw firearms ownership.
Then there's the watermelon party (the call themselves the green party) which are adherents of the church of CAGW and seek to return Canada to the stone age. They are the most statist of all of the parties and many of their members left the NDP which wasn't statist enough for their tastes.
As far as the BQ goes, they want Quebec to separate (as does just about every westerner but we haven't been allowed to vote on the issue) and they are a statist party that believes it's fine to use any means necessary to prevent the spread of English in Quebec but speaking French is pretty much a prerequisite for snivel service employment at the higher levels and they are strongly in favor of that. The BQ has been wiped out and Quebecers voted for the NDP as their primary long-term strategy has been to threaten to leave Canada unless they're given large amounts of money. Finally we're in a situation where we can tell them goodbye and here's your share of the national debt.
The current Conservative party is a merger of the western Reform Party which was started by Preston Manning to counter the eastern domination of the west. The "progressive" conservatives were in power when Reform started up and they were eliminated. Reform never made it outside of it's western powerbase, it morphed into the Canadian Alliance party which didn't have much more success than Reform and finally the CA joined with the tiny remnant of the "progressive" conservatives to form the Conservative party. This stopped the vote splitting that kept the Lieberals in power and Stephen Harper became prime minister. To put the "progressive" conservatives in perspective, they were to the left of the US Democratic party. Good riddance to those CINO's.