How is it that Obama will always come to the defence of Muslim Freedom Fighters more quickly than he'll offer help to anyone else?

He jumped on the bandwagon for both Libya and Ivory Coast allegedly without complete information on who the rebels in each Country were.

That in both Countries they're Muslim extremists is not really surprising anymore.

Our foreign policy should be to set these backward middle east nations against each other and then sell them weapons.

A long as these socially backward, inept morons are just killing each other, as long as it is just muslim on muslim violence, they'll leave the civilized world alone to get on with democracy, freedom and life.

It was not that long ago when we called savages "savages".

It is amazing to me the Canadian msm is giving Harper a pass on this in the middle of an election. Do they really put Obama's interest ahead of their own Canadian interests?

Win-win solution: replace pilots with "experts" from HRCs.

No, no! Say it isn't so!

Why, it was only a few weeks ago an 'expert' on Deutsches Welle TV assured viewers that those of us who maintained that Islamic rabble might be involved in the recent disturbances were "nothing but fear-mongers".

Remember kidz: Israel is to blame. Oh and the West for transgressions against muslim lands. Plus it's Thursday, so there you go.

dmorris
"He jumped on the bandwagon for both Libya and Ivory Coast allegedly without complete information on who the rebels in each Country were.

That in both Countries they're Muslim extremists is not really surprising anymore."

Yeah well, remember this is the guy who denounced Israel for issuing building permits in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem.....

Brent Weston
"It was not that long ago when we called savages "savages"."

Yeah...why all the surprise?

When you have fanatical muslims killing tyrannical muslims it seems to me that the sensible policy would be to arm both sides. It would spare the world a lot of grief if they destroyed each other.

Bomb both sides and then come home, we're standing between a despotic leader and Islamofacist's Islamists hell bend on death and destruction in the name of Allahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Some compelling videos and I would stand on the side of caution when tempted to be judgmental.
I only say this as I have witnessed something similar whilst in Iraq with our battlegroup attached to the US Marine Corp.
An embedded film crew aired video footage of US marines in Falujah assaulting a building and upon winning the firefight entering a room containing a wounded combatant.
The Marines then shot him contravening the Geneva Convention and killed him outright. This was the conclusion from the raw footage. An out and out war crime on video. Indisputable.
Now consider this. In the previous days this scenario had re-enacted exactly the same countless times up until finding the wounded combatants.
The marines had tried to answer their call for medical aid. And upon doing so the combatant had detonated a grenade killing or maiming the Marines.
This happened several times. It was then put to the commanders on the ground to assess the situation before giving medical aid from then on.
The Marines had assessed the situation on video and perceived him a threat and later found a grenade in his hand. This was not shown on video.
So was it a war crime. I venture it wasn't. It was an extension of their right to self defence.
It is a matter of opinion and perception.
That's why I look cautiously on any video unless I truly understand the surrounding events not shown on camera.
I also have never forgotten that Gaddafi is also a terrorist.
State sponsored terrorism ( Lockerbie )
So is the enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
Maybe so. I just don't know enough yet and probably won't until it's to late.
But then the luxury of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Rose
I think your very possibly right.
I would rather leave them to kill each other but the problem is Libya is oil rich and we live in an unstable oil based economy.
Oil price stability forces us to encroach where we would probably rather not.
Honestly all of these middle east problems have been created by our dependance on oil. They have the upper hand and the sooner we find an alternative energy source the better.
Then we can leave them all to rot.

K-Daffy was a terrorist when he was a client of the Soviet Union.
He hasn't been a problem since the Soviets closed up shop.

K-Daffy was better than the Jihadi "rebels" we're supporting with our military.
He ponied up compensation for the victim's families of his terrorist acts and turned his nuke program over to the Americans in 2003.
I wouldn't blame him if he regrets that and wants revenge now though.

I would rather leave them to kill each other but the problem is Libya is oil rich and we live in an unstable oil based economy.
Oil price stability forces us to encroach where we would probably rather not.

K-Daffy was one single day away from defeating the insurgents in his country when NATO started bombing his military assets.

If the French hadn't blown their relationship with K-Daffy by recognizing the "rebels" as the new Libyan regime oil production coming out of Libya would be the same today as it was in January.

This is what happens when NATO interferes in other nation's civil wars at the behest of the UN.

What they're doing is wrong, but I might have similar inclinations if I were fighting an evil dictatorship. You still have no evidence that these rebels are jihadists. You should get paid by Qaddafi for your efforts Kate.

You still have no evidence that these rebels are jihadists.

For once I agree with you, libertariansmartass.
If this isn't evidence that these "rebels" are Jihadis then the difference between run-of-the-mill Muslims and Jihadis is so thin as to be essentially meaningless.

After all, Jihad is the 6th Pillar of Islam.
I've been saying all true Muslims are Jihadis for a long time now.

When was the best time for the West to get the heck out of Libya? Before we went in.

When is the second best time to get out of Libya? Bloody well now. And hope that Q-Daffy still has the means to clean up the mess himself.

Egypt? It's already too late.

Public beheadings are totally unacceptable.

What we have here is the West doing the UN's bidding and NATO is the weapon. I am with Kate:
Get our pilots out NOW. Right Now!
As for Oil... I am with Ezra... use our own and with Sarah... "Drill Baby Drill" ... think of it.. using our own money to acquire our own oil and use it for the furtherance of a stable and strong economy for enriching our own lives and the lives of our children.
Let the blood thirsty kill each other off.
Get out of the Middle East except to defend and protect Israel.
Or, as Donald Trump says, make Iraq PAY BACK the 1.5 Trillion dollars spent on their liberation.
And then our mantra should be "Don't make us come over there!"

Armyair, great addition to the comments and so true.

Snowbunnie has it right. Tell the green wackjobs to get lost and drill.

Does anybody now if the victim in this case was one of Daffy's captured hired mercenaries?

Did any of you actually write to Harper, McKay and Cannon about that? I did and got a canned reply along the lines of 'we think it's a right thing to do to bomb Libya'. Isn't it grand to have you tax dollars to be pissed away be a 'conservative' government?

"we think it's a right thing to do to bomb Libya"

The proper question to ask is, "Why are Canadian war planes bombing the Libyan Defence Forces on behalf of Islamic Insurgents, some of whom are known to be al Qaeda?"

Some Background to the Hit & Run event by the Punk
President

http://nation.foxnews.com/george-soros/2011/03/23/soros-fingerprints-libya-bombing

Great comment armyair. It would be nice to think that NATO's members had done their due dilligence in deciding who to back in this conflict, but I've seen nothing to reassure me that that is in fact the case.
The situation may be a paralell to Kate's dictum that when the Nazi's show up to protest the Communists, you're not supposed to pick sides, you're supposed to pray for an asteroid. In some conflicts there simply are no "good" guys.

An embedded film crew aired video footage of US marines in Falujah assaulting a building and upon winning the firefight entering a room containing a wounded combatant.
The Marines then shot him contravening the Geneva Convention and killed him outright.
~Armyair(believer in diversity)

Yeah, I witnessed the exact same event.
The video was on this blog, in 2005 I recall, and we all had a good discussion about it at the time.

Today's thread video is nothing like that video and not only is there zero equivalence between the situations, there is also no room to misinterpret what went on in today's video.

Here is the footage of the Fallujah mosque shooting that was shown all over Europe and the blogosphere, including this blog I recall, but not in the Canadian or American MSM.

http://tinyurl.com/3ohl5aq

You miss my point Oz
There was no way to misinterpret either. The subtle difference was unseen tactical reasons behind the event.
I don't speak Arabic, I don't know the story of their capture and I don't know what the justification of that summary execution was.
In my eyes it cannot be justified, but these people share neither my culture or beliefs.
My point is without a greater understanding of the wider story I do not feel I can condemn or uphold their actions. I do not jump to conclusions my decisions are based on deep thought and fact.
I will admit it looks like a typical Al Qaeda style execution, but maybe these soldiers were the alleged mercenaries.
Maybe they killed his family / friends in the firefight leading to their capture and it was revenge.
I just don't know and I'm not as quick as you to jump to conclusions.
All of the above are not acceptable reasons to execute prisoners by our sensibilities however as stated before this is their country and they live by their morale codes not ours.

One more reason to spoil your ballot.

The subtle difference was unseen tactical reasons behind the event.

The Marines were in the heat of the 2nd Battle of Fallujah and made a tactical decision to execute wounded enemy in their rear while gunfire cracked in the background, meanwhile the Libyan "rebels'(illegal insurrectionists really) saw a man's head off to shouts of Allahu Akbar even though they fire 100,000 rounds of ammo at the sky every day, but couldn't spare one single round for a humane execution.

Subtle tactical reasons elude me, uh-huh.

No, they really aren't similar all right.
And nobody who understands the military meaning of the word 'tactics' would pretend what those Koranimals did had anything to do with tactics.

Did you know that these tactically subtle "rebels" looted K-Daffy's mustard and nerve gas stockpiles in Bengahzi and sold thousands of gas shells to al Qaeda and Hizballah?

Armyair, you have discredited yourself completely by giving same benefit of the doubt to the US marines and alqaeda affiliated Libyan rebels. Thanks for showing your true colours.

Oz.
Read the sentence again. I inferred that the difference on the US Marine Corp Video is a subtle tactical reason. The tactic being the elimination of suicide bombers when confronted with this situation.
In Military Parlance that is a tactic.
I also stated that I would not like to jump to conclusions on the events surrounding the video. No mention of the tactics of executing a prisoner.
My true colours Aaron are Red, White and Blue. Thanks for asking. I'm a patriot. And besides what is your point. Mine was that the video only shows a 2d picture of the event. You need more depth to see the picture clearly.
Any comparison to Marines in combat and Muslims executing Muslims has no relevance. Only the fact that you see what you want to see in some media formats.

An embedded film crew aired video footage of US marines in Falujah assaulting a building and upon winning the firefight entering a room containing a wounded combatant.
The Marines then shot him contravening the Geneva Convention and killed him outright.
~Armyair

Actually, according to the Geneva Convention(s), irregular forces not wearing uniforms recognizable at a distance and/or who have not borne their arms openly can be summarily executed on the battlefield.(no doubt Serbian forces did as much in Bosnia on some occasions not having the political problems that U.S. and UK pols do)
The U.S government chooses to view these "irregulars" in Iraq and Afghanistan differently for political reasons(as no doubt the UK does) and treats them as official enemy combatants(PoWs), but the Geneva Conventions themselves were not violated at all.

Similarily if K-Daffy were to summarily execute Libyan "rebel" irregular insurrectionists he would not be violating the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War because they are not entitled to PoW status.

No doubt K-Daffy will have been doing this with some captured "rebels" and the MSM will tout mass graves filled with Libyan Defence Forces defecting traitors(summarily executed for violating their oaths and duties) and "rebel" insurrectionists without uniform as "PROOF" of genocide on K-Daffy's part and "Oh! What a good thing NATO intervened."

revolutions are always like this.

I blame the french and their facination with the guillotine.

And yet again I am compelled to point out that there is no evidence that these heroic rebels are affiliated with AQ in any way.

Put a sock in it, libertariansmartass.
One of the "rebel" Commanders admitted on the 25th of March that he and 25 of his cohort were al Quaeda who had fought our forces in Iraq.
Try to keep up will you?

http://tinyurl.com/4a89ea5

Kate?
Why can't we get a better quality of troll around here?
These ones suck.

One low-level commander and 25 others does comprise not an entire rebel force. Try to do better.

-"And yet again I am compelled to point out that there is no evidence that these heroic rebels are affiliated with AQ in any way."
-One low-level commander and 25 others does comprise not an entire rebel force.
~same idiot

Affiliated/entire...whats the difference when you think you're smarter, eh?
What's in a word?
Evidence of affiliation, pahshaw.

Way to move the goal posts, liar.

I think you libertariansaresmarter, and Alex, are entirely affiliated.

Hmmm...I guess having a few former AQ flunkies in the rebel forces is an "affiliation", but it is so weak that I win the debate anyway.

I guess having a few former AQ flunkies in the rebel forces is an "affiliation", but it is so weak that I win the debate anyway.

Yeah, cause the people who brought down the world trade center and 3 passenger jets full of people and sawed people's heads off on the internet would never lie by unstatement.
Hey, how does it feel to be a ...winner?

correction:
lie by understatement

Time
to climb
the wooden
hill

"One of the "rebel" Commanders admitted on the 25th of March that he and 25 of his cohort were al Quaeda who had fought our forces in Iraq."

Only a very small number of Canadians deployed to Iraq with most of these on exchange programs with the UK and US militaries.

Which one of the 25 - 50 Canadians that deployed in Iraq did these low level Al Qaeda Jihadists fight. You talk very uni-laterally when it suits you.

With the British policing the South upto Al Amareh and the US policing the North I take it when you refer to our forces you are acknowledging that you are a closet UK / US citizen.

If so, no thanks we have enough unworthy immigrants of our own.

Next time you take a taxi from a Canadian airport, try to keep those images from creeping into your head when you look at the driver. With our idiotic immigration policy, it's entirely possible that you're rubbing shoulders with bloody murderers on a regular basis.

Armyair- And how do we know your aren't a 12 year old girl, living in Manyberries Alberta?

if we had our F-35's we could test them out in Lybia on Gudafii!!!

F-35's ftw!