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Ignatieff announced "Family Pack" AKA the Family Shift, where the Grits shift money from families that don't vote for them and give it to families who do vote for them. We all, however, get the tax hangover.

Financed by rolling back (not increasing) corporate taxes and, yes they said this, cancelling the F35. I guess they couldn't squeeze enough money out of small businesses (sorry, large, riiiich corporations) to pay for their shift, er pack.

Definitely big savings available cutting the F35 right now, given we're presently drawing more benefit than expenditure (no, wait) Most luckily for the Grits is that there's not cost whatsoever on the corporate side of the ledger, the money just magically disappears and isn't needed because they're riiiich corporations.

That's worth the Government of Canada reneging on in place fiscal policies and international agreements, right?

Of, course, it's necessary to get rid of SH, who doesn't know anything about democracy. Vote Michael Ignatieff, let him choose your Canada.

Geez, you've convinced, me. I want to get some of that rich corporation money, so I'm going to vote for Count Igula! Also, will this be like the US, where Obama made it so people don't have to honour their personal financial commitments any longer? I'd like that too please!!

Re Jet planes - For an actual documentary about the jet design competition, check out the NOVA program from PBS titled Battle of the X Planes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/xplanes/

Also includes transcript, interviews, etc.

PET Cemetery Report.

>>> H/T Our Big Lies Department with assistance from our Screw the Redbook/crap crew.

Liberal Count Ignatieff’s Ad$Cam MartinJr said:

>>> “Screw the Red Book… Don’t tell me what’s in the Red Book. I wrote the goddamned thing. And I know that it’s a lot of crap.” (Wilson-Smith, Greenspon, 1996)

http://www.startsurfing.com/encyclopedia/p/a/u/Paul_Martin_629b.html

Have those *ssh888s at the TORedStar/MSM/LiberalParty never heard of the Internet?

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“Liberals carry on red book tradition”

“The Liberals’ new election platform comes with a seal of approval from the man who helped invent the famous “red book” of campaign promises: former prime minister Paul Martin.

Martin, in an interview Sunday with the Star, said this newest version of a Liberal red book, titled “the Family Pack,” lives up to the standards of the 1993 platform, which was crucial in vaulting the Liberals into power under then prime minister Jean Chrétien.

In its ambitiousness, as well as its promises to rein in debt, it is “of the same quality, absolutely,” Martin said. “(This is) saying that when you’re in opposition, you better be prepared to govern. And we are prepared and here’s our plan. Exactly as we did in 1993.”

The Liberals’ 1993 red book was a standard setter for political campaigning nearly 20 years ago; the idea was extensively borrowed by other politicians, including then British prime minister Tony Blair.

The original red book was designed as contract of sort with voters, setting out not only a raft of promises but also ways to pay for them, along with criteria to hold politicians accountable after the election was over.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/968424–liberals-carry-on-red-book-tradition

What also irks me is how the Liberals were upset because "jails and jets" weren't in the budget. That's because they won't be paid for this year. Duh.

This is rich, from that CTV article, written by Canadian Press:
"Larry McWha, a former air force colonel, has acted as a consultant for AgustaWestland, which lost a bid to provide Cormorant helicopters as a replacement for the Sea Kings. "Our aircraft (the Cormorant) was designed right from the beginning with a third engine to prevent accidents like the one we saw on the Iroquois," he said. Like the Sea Kings, the Sikorsky Cyclones chosen on July 23 to replace Canada's geriatric fleet of Sea Kings rely on two engines.

Dittman declined comment on whether the findings raise questions about the military's decision to spend $5 billion on the Sikorsky aircraft."

So, EUropean helicopter g-o-o-o-d-d-d, American helicopter b-a-a-a-d-d-d" Plus their purchase is a flagrant violation of the Liberals' BABNA procurement policy, "Buy ANYTHING, but NOT American!" Two engines aren't as good as three engines, so four engines would be even better, right? Or five? Notwithstanding that the latest US and European military choppers -for example the Blackhawk and Apache- all have two engines. And of course mentioning the $5 billion for Sikorskys without mentioning the approx. equal billions for the Augusta-Westland copter purchase.

I think Canadian Press-CTV readers just had their intelligence insulted, and not so subtly either.

helicoptors eh.....hmmmmph and ptui!....howsabout showing me some pitchers of them second hand submarines the LLLieberals bought...

run silent run deep indeed....

I'm assuming, jess, that you know about Power Corporation and the Desmarais family and their close connections to the Liberal Party of Canada (Trudeau, Chretien, Martin, Rae, Mo Strong, et al.)?

Assuming you do know about the LPC/Power Corp association, what the Hell are you talking about?

"I believe that incarceration is supposed to be about revenge and not rehabilitation ...." Haha - Roger that!.

MM

Hey jess... What's a multi corporation? A corporation that makes multi's. You lefties really need some new slogans. There seems to be a lot of sucking going on at the White House and at liberal press conferences. What's that all about?

I think the press should insist that Iggy and the libs pay back the adscam money as the price of admission to the debates. so simple.

revenge of course...but also penance....

that's why they are called penitentiaries...

PET Cemetery Report.

It's with awe and trembling, trepidation and tingling fingers that We post this. We initially thought it was O/T; however, We consulted lengthily with Liberal Count Ignatieff.

Count gave us His Blessing with one proviso: "in little doses.”"

...-

"“He’s so much better that his father was and much more than I ever will be.”

When told his mother’s comments, Justin Trudeau’s grin widens.

In what way are you better than your father? he is asked.

“Well, I think I’m more of a people’s person. My dad liked people, but sometimes in little doses.”"

"Justin better than his dad: Maggie Trudeau"

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/CanadaVotes/2011/04/03/17861806.html

If memory serves, the Sea King replacement program Sikorsky was a pig in a poke salesman's presentation
of a bunch of promises to a certain Liberal Prime Minister who said "Perfect! Where do I sign"!
If memory also serves a previous Liberal Prime Minister illegally canceled the Sea King replacement EH-101
program and the taxpayers wound up on the hook for a half billion dollars in breach of legal contract damages.

It is also interesting that the word "Liberal" is not to be found in the CTV "News report" re the Sea King crash.
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"Callous-free? You're the guys trampling over working people in order to suck the *ss of the rich and the multi-corporations!"
jess, dear, how do you think the Libs plan to finance all their silly socialist programs, without sticking their callous free hands into the pockets of the working people and draining the asses out of those corporations you refer to...the ones that employ 6 or 60 or 600 of the hardworking people.
You are welcome to stick around for the education.

Weren’t the Liberals tarred & feathered then run out of town just a few short years ago???

Is it attention deficit disorder, or just plain shamelessness that brings them back to the trough?

The EH-101 Canada was supposed to purchase was, and still is, superior to the yet to be delivered Cyclone in key areas: safety, cargo capacity and range. Yet, because of Chretien's stupidity out of the 93 election, we have to wait to pay more for a less capable aircraft. We would have been part of a large consortium that put together the helicopter plus benefit from using the same airframe et al for ship and SAR operations.

Because the Canadian military has to operate equipment for very long periods and the unpredictability of future missions, we invariably go for the best available equipment, rather than the cheapest.

Jean Chretien changed all that when he declared our military didn't need the best equipment, calling the EH-101 a Cadillac.

Then Liberal Bill Graham inherited the defence portfolio, and things changed. The recognition that Canada must get the best value for our military re-emerged, and the government of the day joined the joint strike fighter acquisition program, where Boeing and Lockheed squared off and the F35 was born.

There is no present competition for the F35, except to buy nothing. The capability gap is even greater here than the EH-101 debacle, yet Mr Ignatieff insists we must stop the ship that has already left port, as before.

These guys really like to s**t on our military. Cue up the assumed guilty military perhaps, maybe, well you know it happens as war criminals for those poor unprocessed Taliban. It boggles my mind, but they go ahead and do it.

Great post, lance.

"The Liberals do realize that corporations and banks aren't like them, right? Business can't just arbitrarily change focus and direction everytime a new leader is elected."

I'm sure they realize it, it's simply the case that they'd be *perfectly* happy to jeopardize the economic recovery, and the business and employment climate in this country, in order to get themselves back in power.

The braindeads on the left argue there is no need for any extraordinary spending on military equipment at the present time.
Yeah right! When the next episode of TSHTF happens, we'll just send the Defense Minister down to Walmart and pick up a couple dozen F35's. Idiots! Worse yet, IDIOT SUPPORTERS!

Liberal Defense policies = DND, bend over, use lotsa lube and get ready to be browned-towned big time.

Because Liberals will sacrifice pilots and soldiers live to buy a few votes from people who believe society owes them.

Could have bought off the shelf design and tech from the US on numerous military purchases, Army, Navy, Air Force, but had to be "Canadian".

Don't blame just the Liberals for that.

Use the C7 small arms replacement as an example, have a project office spend a decade doing development work to replace the FNC-1, and then tender a design spec, and in the end sign a contract in the 1980's, that buys a design that was in service in the 60's in the US.

Apply that thinking to Artillery, Tanks, Frigates, etc...

Minor criticism - that's not a Canadian Sea King in the photo. There are a lot of Canadian ones to pick from though!

"C" F-18's mitchel44

"The 'Jails' part is fine, they believe in hug-a-thug and I believe that incarceration is supposed to be about revenge and not rehabilitation."

I think of jails being an integral part of a democratic government's R2P (responsibility to protect).

WalterF

R2P and RTR (road to redemption).

Equal parts. Carrots and sticks.

Syncro, Yes, hopefully it's RTR as well. Much more likely than with no jails.

BTW / OT Not sure if you would call this "road to redemption" although it was on the way to church this morning after a big dump of global warming yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1oS2Ljzi2c

Where is the Liberals money coming from to run this campaign? These theives stole billions over 13 years but in true liberal fashion I'm sure only a few Cashbagliano's have it all, so where's the cash coming from, Soros, Demerais, or what bank is crazy enough to lend these business destroyers any money on their flimsey assets, did they put Kyoto the dog and Iggulas French villa up for collateral, or just the CBC?

The problem with the Liberals is they think "jets jails and tax cuts" are a -bad- thing.

Or I should say, Liberal supporters. the actual Liberal party is composed of people who will say anything at all for a chance to steal more money.

You only have to look at the policies and actions of the Ontario Liberals to see where an Iggy government is going. Windmills, carbon tax and Caledonia.

No word on what they are planning to do when the cookie jar is finally empty, and -all- the jobs have gone to China. I bet some bright spark will propose casinos and taxes on food.

bartinsky, It doesn't have to be anything sinister. It could be tens of thousands of people donating their 2 to 4% GST savings to the Liberals. If it's not that, it's Liberal chicanery.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing on the Roy Green Show , when he didn't take to task the Liberal going on about the Jets price, while forgetting about the lives lost because of the Sea Kings mismanagement by the liberals, if not out right deception. Men died because of the politics of convenience. By the way look at the World you leftist nuts. It become dangerous because of you. Now you want to take our protection away. How predictable.

jess @8:31PM:

Trudeau and Martin were big business, both multi-millionaires from businesses run by their families: Trudeau: Imperial Oil, Martin: Canadian Steamship Lines (which flew foreign flags, BTW, so as not to have to pay Canadian taxes).

'You want to talk about "the rich and the multi-corporations"? Look no further than multi-millionaire Mo Strong (Power Corp, Ontario Hydro, Kyoto Accord, Oil for Food at the UN, the Cherry Car in China) and, astonishingly, millionaire Jean Chretien (who woulda thunk that un p'tit gars de Shawinigan would end up in the money?)

If you could name a few Conservatives with similar connections, I'd appreciate it. Then, I might have some idea of what you're talking about. As it is, you're just spewing Librano talking points which, as per usual, have no basis in fact -- IOW, which locates you somewhere in deepest, darkest La-La-Land.

More proof, jess, that what you allege about the CPC is a bunch of mendacious hooey (from April 4 Reader Tips, posted by Glenn at April 3, 2011 10:53 PM):

http://tinyurl.com/3hhwrbh

The same picture emerges when looking at the distribution of donations by size. For the Conservatives, about 10 per cent of the funds raised came from those giving between $1,000 and the maximum of $1,100; conversely, two-thirds came from those giving $400 or less. The NDP were similar, with 7 per cent coming from the highest donated amount, and 70 per cent coming from donations $400 and under. The Liberals – who have fulminated against the perils of the rich controlling the political process – were actually the party most dependent on big donations, with 35 per cent of their cash coming from donors giving between $1,000 and $1,100, while sub-$400 donors accounted for just 38 per cent of the funds the party raised.

In fact, the Liberals outperformed among big donors, raising $3.2-million to the Conservatives’ $1.7-million. The Tories made up that ground, and more, with small donors.

Do you want to defend your position, jess? Where are you, jess?

Law and order, and national defence are the only two real federal government responsibilities. If they get those two things right, and leave me alone I'm happy. For the other parties to pretend those are not important basically means they are not mature adults.

The subs we bought were decommissioned last week, and the Liberal Media mentioned it how many times? Typical of them to cover the libs' arse over that billion dollar boondoggle.

The main hurdle of modern weapon systems is their cost.

20 years past it was estimated 60% of the expence of a Modern Main Battle Tank was electronics....the other 40% on minor stuff like hull, armour, armament, engine and automotive components.......

Aircraft and naval units follow this pattern.

While The RCN contribution to Gulf I was a brace of obsolecant tin-cans.....by the time Gulf II came...Canada's lastest generation of warship was a welcome addition to the coalition fleet in the Gulf.

Because of expense these RCN units were the newest, equiped with "Verticle Launch Seawolf" (limited mostly to new hulls). These units were able to seamlessly integrate into computer fleet air defence and virtually guarantee a reasonable, effective defence against a satuation attack.

This integration enabled these RCN units to utilize the entire sensor array of the fleet for identifying friend and foe....and eliminate chance of accidental interception of friendly long range air defence missiles.

Rose -- They were? How is THAT not newsworthy? Lying by ommission is the worst.

@Rose, not sure where you are getting your info but as far as I know none of the subs have been decomissioned. I had a look at the dnd.ca website where they release press info and there was nothing there.

@sasquatch we have no VL Seawolf... the CPFs have VL Sea Sparrows and the 280s use the Standard Missle (SMx). The RCN is sadly no more, it is the Navy portion of the CF. Just as the RCAF is no more as well.

This website has specs etc on our fleet, such as it is today.

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/1/1-a_eng.asp

Speaking of Winslow T Wheeler and the Left.

Follow the money... its really that simple.

Washington DC is filled with dozens of "beltway bandits" who will write position papers for/against any political position they are paid for. World Security Institute is a beltway bandit who champions leftist/anti-defense causes. Winslow Wheeler is employed by Center for Defense Information, a division of WSI. Do you expect Wheeler to write epistles that are contrary to the political bent of his employer? If he did so, the lefties would stop giving money to WSI and WSI would go out of business.