"right and wrong depend on whose ox is being gored."

....apparently...

Liberalism defined.

Short answer: "Yes! And liberalism got 'here' long before 2011."

Is this really what liberalism has come to in 2011?

YES

The question is how long will it be before some useful idiot takes these threats series and actually commits signifigant violence.
The frequency and extreme nature of these threats would indicate that this is progressing from words to deeds....

Stalin was the template and we are surprised by this movie being played again? Does nobody remember Hitler either, or Pol Pot, or Idi Amin, or Commrade Mao, or...?

The decimation of the God-based and fearing society is always met with brute force and bloodshed. Always. This is another reason why the liberals are whitewashing history, removing all reference to God and Judeo / Christian pillars of the building blocks on which these countries were established.

Conservative: a Liberal who's just been mugged.

"Is this really what liberalism has come to in 2011?" No, this is what liberalism came to in the 1960s. Dawn breaks for another liberal.

Yes, very good sasquatch.
And after that useful idiot commits the violence, hoards of conservatives will jump to the occasion and say, "He was neither Left nor right, he was just crazy." despite the perpetrator's affinity for the Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, etc. etc. etc.

Then the Loughner Left goes back to doing what they always do, violent vitriol coupled with mob participation, and then it happens again and again.

Proverbs 26
11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

I'd say that is the definition of liberalism.

I think there's a strong case to be made those public employees shouldn't have the same collective bargaining rights as private sector workers -- a case made well by Franklin D. Roosevelt, who said...

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress."

I'm not even 40 so I am unsure if I even have a view of FDR that is contextual. That having been said you can't argue with him on this.

Yes, unions have a place, particularly in the antagonistic model which a lot of our society is based on. That being said, exactly who is on the other side of the fence from the likes of CUPE? Well we know who it has been.

My Political Science prof used to mention that he felt a real irony of politics is that the opposition party in this country spends most of their time deriding the current siting government over policies put in place by themselves (the current potash royalty structure comes to mind). He was fairly left leaning but always fair, this nugget of wisdom he provided is not forgotten.

If your wondering about the state of education here just scroll down to the link to the article by Tammy Robert. The vitriol in some of the comments is astounding.

Yes, unions have a place, particularly in the antagonistic model which a lot of our society is based on.
~Derek

Unions have a place in the dustbin of history.
Antagonistic model?
Never heard of it.
I have heard of labour laws though.
You should go to your nearest Government of Canada building and get a free copy of your province's labour laws.

Watch the coverage of the Leftwing loaded parlimentary/witch-hunt committee hearings from yeasterday, that's what passes for democracy in Parliment. Leftwing Politicians hiding under total political immunity attacking Conservative MPs sans rule of evidence, rule of law or rules for decency. I've never witnessed such unprofessional unethical behavior by elected officials in my lifetime. It's a disgrace what the coalition of leftwingers are doing under the guise of seeking the truth. Truth is the last thing those partisan hacks are after.

DrD has it right. Liberalism of this sort has just become more publicly virulent with each decade.

Rose, you are right and we have to ask how long before this sort of political animosity activity begins to hit the street.

I am actually surprised that an article like this was printed in Huffpo.

What we see being played out in Wisconsin and in our own parliament is just another scene of the multifaceted play for takeover put in place by Stalin and his successors.

This isn't the "new" civility, it's always been this way. Liberals have always believed their sense of moral superiority justified the means.

Ken I think it was a matter of time for Huff to moderate after the AOL purchase. There has to be something for the other half of the consumer base. AOL is ad driven.

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yup, once again... the compassionate, intellectual left...

"If it was me firebombing you, you would not have a chance at a second thought,
because as soon as you exited the building, well, the whole idea of the firebomb
was to flush the skunk (you) out and get you into um, range."
Posted by liberal supporter to halls of macadamia at 10:18 PM, January 24, 2011

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And right at the bottom of the comments an ad for:

Sarah Palin toilet paper.

As one of the commentators pointed out: the left is tolerant until you disagree with their opinon.

At the risk of being boring repetitious, always remember that it is the left that murders their own people.....for the good of the State, don'cha'no!!!

"""At the risk of being boring repetitious, always remember that it is the left that murders their own people.....for the good of the State, don'cha'no!!!"""

and they always try and "link" these lefties to conservatives

"Soccermom says:
March 18, 2011 at 10:49 am

Pat Martin just said Oda had a “gun to her head”

What a pathetic, horrible, indecent little man. Evil, too."

http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2011/03/18/pot-meet-kettle-indeed/#comment-65394

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Taliban Jack LaytoNDP's Martin.

[i]Is this really what liberalism has come to in 2011?[/i]

Yes

Remember the left has been imploding for decades. For those less ideolgical, it started in the 1930s; for others in the 1980s.

But, in the 1980s, along came the Brundtland Report, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brundtland_Commission,
named after a socialist ex-prime minister of Norway. I was, at the time, a socialist who understood that "we" had lost and the capitalists had wone.

However, it became quite clear to me that this was just another excuse for socialism. And, at the time, I saw many disappointed socialists join the green movement on the basis of this report.

Watermelonisim (green on the outside, red inside) is now what "enviromentalism" is all about. It is about a vile communistic mass-murduring ideology co-opting the precious green movement.

May alll hese movememmnts die. But, there is et much fight to be undertaken to preserve our freedoms.

Ever Vigilent.

Patsplace and GYM, yes, it is worth repeating, although the phrases my relatives heard was "enemy of the people" and "for the good of the people".

Neo...you have been getting threats like that for too long. I know you are thankful for comment moderation but that extreme crap should not be ignored or allowed to go on.

Breath of fresh air Robert of Ottawa; are there more sane people there? This insanity called liberalism has to be stomped out, it is insidious and seems to have free run in Ontario, or Toronto. Our very way of life now hangs in the balance, we can give Harper a majority and progress in this great country or we can sit back and watch Ontario vote once more for failure/liberalism and money theft, that is what liberalism stands for. There are a lot of issues that need attention, none of them being Bev Odas denying a bunch of freeloaders money, or Jason Kenny using the wrong letterjead or best of all, a busty escort dealing with an ex aide. Talk about grasping reaching or just plain lying, this Canadian news-media have all the bases covered on filth. DO any of these pathetic libsukers printing and repeating this garbage not have offspring they care about?

Liberals have always believed their sense of moral superiority justified the means.
~the bear

Indeed.
And what are ends for if not to justify the means.
It seems that their sense of moral superiority is all that the Left have Left.
But it is only a sense, it is not actually either moral or superior.
They are nothing more than slaves to the process and the process is becoming increasingly uncivilized, even anti-civilization.

Liberal ideology was swallowed by progressivism decades ago .... there are no true liberals left ... unless you count the sort of conservative commonly known as a neo-con...

Is this really what liberalism has come to in 2011?

This is what "liberalism" became in the 1930's. Prior to that, liberalism meant something very different. In fact, as Hayek explains, liberalism is the antithesis of socialism.

This has got to me the most grotesque scandal in Canadian History:

http://ahabit.com

This cruelty is not justifiable.

Bob - a) that belongs in Reader's Tips. It's got nothing to do with the topic here. b) Check out Kathy Shaidle's blog Five Feet of Fury. She covered this yesterday or the day before. Her take, with which I agree, is that the taxpayer shouldn't be "compensating" people for terrible things that happen to them unless the government is legally at fault. In fact, the idea seems completely insane.

I;m surprised the HP printed this article.

The author who, while admittedly a progressive (there's nothing liberal about "liberals") was appealing to anyone from the left with what used to be referred to as common decency. It's doubtful if there are many as most have come through their formative years as either looters and thugs in the labour movement or have been marching in lockstep with PC jackboots from the college and media din of progressive group think.

I will start with definitions as I see them. I consider myself to be a classical "liberal". (Note the lower case l). As such I recognize the supremacy of the individal (all individuals) and represent the segment of society that is most against socialism in all its nefarious forms.
Liberals are first and foremost elitists. They conform in most ways to the elitism as propounded by Plato in his "Republic". Instead of the rigorous training and development proposed by Plato all Canadians need to become one of the elite is to take out membership in the Liberal (note the uppercase L) Party of Canada and vote for them to achieve that elevated status that puts them above the hoi polloi like me and entitles them to their "entitlements".
The dearest wish of the Liberals is to achieve the threshold where they have over 50% of the population employed by their government and hence beholden to them for their livelihood. We shall then be living in an elitist paradise governed by (who else?), elitist Liberals.

Dr.D pretty much covered what I was going to say. Modern Big "L" Liberalism has always been this, their smartest move was their silent takeover of the media, particularly television in the 1950's. Since then they've had it all their own way.

Until the Web. Still scrambling and failing to take that over, because packet switching networks treat Liberalism and its censorship as damage and route around it. You can read Small Dead Animals in Egypt today, even with the whole telephone/internet system shut off. Short-wave packet switching, baby. :)

Knowledge is power my friends.