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January 29, 2011

They'd Rather Pretend It Isn't Happening

"... and criminalize anyone who say it is."


Posted by Kate at January 29, 2011 9:24 AM
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Cowardly, is the apt description. Citizens have abdicatated the reponsibilities that our forebearers died to give us.

Posted by: ct at January 29, 2011 10:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO4duhMRZk

Pat Condell is VERY opinionated,isn't he?

Peace.

Posted by: dmorris at January 29, 2011 10:17 AM

After you watch the video, click on the d-bag response at the top right-hand corner. That moron is what we got from an "education" system that's been telling everybody how evil the West was for 40 years.

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 29, 2011 10:21 AM

Very Orwellian.....

translation from new-speak....

very opinionated = incorrect, extremist, racist etc.
Civility = shut up and listen to us...

Posted by: sasquatch at January 29, 2011 10:23 AM

Pat Condell: Causing offense is now a crime in several European countries; doesn't anyone in the Western media have anything critical to say about that at all or are they all too complacent and stupid to realize that these laws also threaten the freedom of the press [ask Ezra Levant or Lars Hedegaard] as well as ordinary people to express an honest opinion?

Definitely, the Western media is too complacent, too stupid, and too Godless (like Condell himself) and left-liberal to realize that the multicultural Frankenstein monster they're defending is one day going to turn on them.

Pat Condell's next comments deal with the absurdity that all cultures are equal "when they're clearly, visibly, provably, not even close to being equal -- they're barely on the same planet ..."

The only sweetener in all of this is that finally Westerners are speaking out.

Posted by: batb at January 29, 2011 10:28 AM

It sometimes feels as though one is in an cube withour walls and the non walls are closing in, something that Steve Martin found himesel from time to time on SNL.

Posted by: Lev at January 29, 2011 10:47 AM

In Egypt they are fighting for democracy and in Eurabia they've tossed away democracy via the EU in favour of a secretly elected President of the EU, they have no say on how their nations are run. The EU is another leftwing socialists' experiment that has evolved into a modern day Tyranny of not niceness and Nanny Nationism.

Posted by: Rose at January 29, 2011 10:47 AM

Batb, I don't think the media is at all complacent. Complicit is a better word.

They are absolutely complicit, and expend quite a bit of effort to keep the pro liberal anti conservative narrative spinning, so they are not lazy either.

Posted by: ward at January 29, 2011 10:49 AM

The Europe (good luck) and North America should encourage and support what is going on in Arabia. Hopefully, then the population can stay home and build some kind of civilised society.
If that is possible.
If the "religion of peace" does not take over first.

Posted by: Lev at January 29, 2011 10:54 AM

Its a propaganda campaign. A pretty clumsy one IMO. But it works because of the ground work that 30 years of post-modernism has wrought on the school system. For at least the previous 25 years, kids have been taught that words are the same as sticks and stones. Your average high school graduate simply doesn't have the background in basic philosophy to point and laugh as this foolishness deserves.

That's why when a conservative comes out and speaks the obvious Truth, such as "water is wet", it gets no traction and governments can criminalize people for saying it.

Posted by: The Phantom at January 29, 2011 11:18 AM

The laughing sound you hear is coming from Trudeau's grave . . . because he knows he inflicted the same multi-kulti crap on us and got us to pay for it.

Posted by: Fred at January 29, 2011 11:38 AM

Black Mamba
Yeah I could only tolerate about a minute of that dreadlocked, unshaven, affirmative action, counter culture, anarchist's ignorant rant.
His criticism of British culture and its achievements was very inaccurate....exaggeration and omission being employed wholesale....he should address the achievements of that product of the Islamic Maghreb...the Barbary Pirates...

Posted by: sasquatch at January 29, 2011 11:43 AM

"Glass houses"?... People who live in "mud huts" shouldn't throw the word "civilized" around.

Posted by: Happy Infidel at January 29, 2011 12:32 PM

I tolerated about a minute of that dreadlocked ignoramus' spiel. When he mentioned Barbados I could not help but contrast it with Haiti. Both are small nations with limited resources. Both are populated and governed by the descendants of slaves.

Haiti is an economic basket case governed by corrupt despots (and was before the earthquake). Barbados is reasonably prosperous, democratic, has a middle class and lives under the rule of law. Why did two such dissimilar nations emerge from quite similar origins? One (Barbados) had the good fortune to have been governed by Britain while the other was a colony of France.

Something for Mr.Dreadlocks to ponder.

Posted by: JMD at January 29, 2011 12:43 PM

ward, "complacent" wasn't actually my descriptor for the media but Pat Condell's adjective. I was just quoting from the above video.

Both complacent and complicit accurately describe the response of the media to a very serious cultural imperialism -- not of the West but of the recent stream of immigrants from the Muslim world to the West.

Members of the Western media are so ignorant and politically correct that they uphold Islamists' rights, because they're a visible minority, while castigating Judeo-Christian, Western culture which is the author of all of the world's free and open democracies.

They're useful idiots complicit in our being Dhimmied. When they're the first to be jailed or beheaded, they'll be shaking their heads in disbelief because they're just that stupid.

Posted by: batb at January 29, 2011 12:44 PM

Mr Dreadlock's rant could have come from the mouth of Obama as words from his father's ghost and anti-colonial mindset.

Too bad Condell doesn't appear on the BBC or CBC. Fox won't even touch him.

Posted by: John Chittick at January 29, 2011 12:56 PM

dmorris - "Patcondell's Criminal Truth (Uncivilised)" - thanks for the link but I could only take about 45 seconds of it. I think I could smell that guy through my monitor!

Posted by: Orlin in Marquette at January 29, 2011 1:06 PM

What is wrong with our so called leaders here eh.?

IslamoFacism is alive and well in Canada, protected by MSM by refusing to even acknowledge what is going on aorund them & our Federal Government through its inability or unwillingness to meet this issue head on. The fact that we still have those anti democratic & obscene "Human Rights Councils' in our midst doing the Islamist dirty work is proof enough to this WASP.

They (Feds), seenm more preoccupied with poorly thought out legislation such as S-10 that will in effect criminalize teens and anyone growing a plant or two, or passing a cpl of grams of hi test to a friend with manadatory sentencing, something that the rest of the planet has disavowed...all on the "hard on crime" - anti Gang/Organized Crime" ticket...yea right.

(guess who the cops will go after..?? exactly, the low hanging fruit.. It'll be just like Vietnam..body counts matter - who it is, doesn't)

And around the country, anyone who has shown the temerity to actually ACT when their life and/or property is danger is charged and thrown into jail.!

WTF is up with all of that..?? HUH?

Truly the inmates are running the asylum.
Bring me an Australian with balls to run this country...it appears we need one.

Stk

Posted by: theo groenevelt at January 29, 2011 1:55 PM

I listened to the counter-point guy, and much of what he says is true. Colonization was a brutal piece of human history. But it's in the past, there's no point dwelling on it. The Islamists have no interest in the past, they have designs on the future.

I'm getting tired of a big segment of western society expecting me to apologize for my ancestors' desire to make a better life for me.

Posted by: coach at January 29, 2011 2:09 PM

i beg your pardon...but colonialism was NOT a brutal piece of human history for us English speaking peoples....quite the opposite.....it was an edifying experience for those on both ends of the bargain...

i know comparisons are odious but please DO let us discriminate among the 'colonializers.....'

Posted by: john begley at January 29, 2011 2:16 PM

The force of evil has been denied for many years, here in the west. Churches do not preach about hellfire and the Devil anymore; in fact, the Devil is cartooned as an attractive fellow that is a lot of fun!! This has not undermined the power of evil, it has undermined the power of God. God is the power of the decent society, without God the power of good has no rational.

God exiled the devil from Heaven and His kingdom, is there not a parallel in this situation? Why are the people in the nations of God inviting the evil guy to set up camp in the Kingdom of our Champion? The msm has gone over and we are fools if we follow them - as anyone who has ever read Paradise Lost (Pope) will know, nothing that the devil devises is good for people because evil despises human beings. Taylor Caldwell wrote a very good book about the devil's attitude to people; it is called "Dialogues with the Devil"; in this book the disposed arch Angel Beelzebub talks to his brother Arch Angel Michael about his evil intentions and the 'progress' of evil on the small planet Earth.

'Evil lurks in cracks and holes and plays on peoples minds' - evil dares us and evil scares us; it is all a diabolical game to lure us into Hell because the devil does not want our filth near God. We cannot defend God by patronizing evil.

Posted by: Jema 54 at January 29, 2011 2:40 PM

What ever the characteristics of colonialism, there is one fact.

The European colonists, with all its depravity, increased the IQ in the colonised lands.

The current (islamic) crop's actions are most certainly aimed at taking the IQ of the "west" as much toward zero as they are allowed.

Posted by: Lev at January 29, 2011 2:45 PM

And of course we all know that the Ottoman Empire was just a bunch of folks who decided to share the Islamic culture (conquer is such a harsh word).

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 29, 2011 2:52 PM

They just wanted everyone to have nice sofas.

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 29, 2011 2:57 PM

Black Mamba

And I thought it was all about footstools...

Posted by: syncrodox at January 29, 2011 3:15 PM

coach: "Colonization was a brutal piece of human history ..."

EXCUSE ME?

What john begley said.

Colonization is a feature of all societies strong enough and/or smart enough to use technology to sail the ocean and build a canon, musket, or rifle.

Some colonization is hellish: The Spaniards were pretty brutal. Others, not so brutish, the British being a prime example.

Funnily enough, I caught the Canadian Cree playwright, Tomson Highway, being interviewed the other night, in which he said that 1) the residential schools were salvific for him and b) the European/British colonization of North America wasn't all bad, given that the British could have wiped out the Aboriginal populations, which they didn't but which many other colonizers did.

So, let's not get our colonizers mixed up: Some were barbaric but the British weren't amongst them. In most cases, they introduced law and order into chaos.

Posted by: batb at January 29, 2011 3:27 PM

Colonization: That was then. This is now.
I am , for one, sick and tired of every perceived victim of the past 500 years heaping all sorts of indictments on us for what transpired in the past. Let's face it, many good things came out of the colonization of the West.
The establishment of a free society in the American Revolution, for one, among many other examples of something good coming out of all of this.
The backward and represive societies do not and cannot claim and equivocation regarding this, yet they intend to claim supremacy over us all.
IF we do not take the stage as this man has done , and as Ezra has done and Mark Steyn and others, we will get just what our slience has bought us: Slavery under a brutal, muderous, backward regime from the dark ages.
And we will deserve it.

Posted by: Snowbunnie at January 29, 2011 3:42 PM

I wonder if there is a transcript for this video. I loved EVERY word he said.

Posted by: Snowbunnie at January 29, 2011 3:43 PM

I'd like to compare & contrast this thread with a video I posted in Reader Tips. It's features an Egyptian screenwriter who explains why he doesn't want the Muslim Brotherhood taking over his country.

Notice a striking similarity between Radical Islamists and the Left elites in Europe?

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at January 29, 2011 3:51 PM

Cross Post: ". . . Black Mamba posted, @ 10:21 AM: “After you watch the video, click on the d-bag response at the top right-hand corner. That moron is what we got from an ‘education’ system that's been telling everybody how evil the West was for 40 years.”

Actually, he’s telling everyone how evil the British are—just what I posted about a few minutes ago at another thread! This guy sounds like a Canadian, and he’s parroting the PC curriculums in this “deranged Dominion” (Mark Steyn). Isn’t this bigot fortunate not to still be in Africa?

Most of the British colonies he mentions, let’s say, like India and many African countries, continue to benefit from the British heritage of an infrastructure for democracy and the rule of law. There are two sides (at least) to every story, and this well spoken, in proper English—thank the Brits, buddy!—idiot has not a clue!


Posted by: lookout at January 29, 2011 3:51 PM

"In most cases, they introduced law and order into chaos."

And trains. Which ran on time.

But babt, -that- is exactly what the 'tards are whining about. The rule of law, civic order, and efficient technology are EVIL, particularly when they displace some other form of equally "valid" cultural arrangement, whatever it may have been and however miserable and fracked up the locals were before the Brits arrived.

Liberals are arguing for the right to have mass starvation, infant mortality rates over 10%, chronic disease, and to work the same field for 20 years which ends up being your whole adult life. They are trying to protect the poor and downtrodden of Africa, Asia and the Middle East from cheap transportation, flush toilets, the right to life liberty and property secure from government shenanigans, logic and literacy, and the responsibility all of the above brings with it.

Just so we are all clear on the relative positions of liberals and those colonizers of yore. Modern Conservatives are but a shrunken shadow of those ancestors. We aren't trying to export our superior culture, we're trying to defend what's left of it from destruction in a culture war against Liberals, people who can't even read or count properly.

If that offends any Leftist liberal types out there, awesome.

Posted by: The Phantom at January 29, 2011 3:54 PM

I finally found the idiot who commented on Pat Condell's video and to whom many of you are referring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y76uMkktX2s&feature=related

He claims that the British "wiped out cultures"...

They did?

Which ones, you moron?

Take a look at England. They're such genocidal terrorists that they've now been invaded by the very cultures this imbecile says they wiped out. This is one dude that British culture obviously did nothing for: He's ignorant, he's entitled, he's uneducated, and he's uninformed.

To prove that the British were "genocidal" he says, "Just ask the Aboriginals of Australia, ask the Amerindians of North America," etc. Well, how the hell can you ask the Australian Aboriginals or the North American Amerindians if the British wiped them all out? Leaving that argument aside, how can we ask them, or understand their answers, if they didn't know English, which has enabled them to leave behind their primitive societies in order to live in the present-day, modern world, from whose technologies they greatly benefit?

One is tempted to ask, What if ...?

Posted by: batb at January 29, 2011 4:04 PM

Well said Phantom. I find it ironic to the nth degree that elitist western liberals oppose elitism.

Posted by: syncrodox at January 29, 2011 4:07 PM

Black Mamba at 10:21 AM, I believe we've found the Boring Tedious Jerk.

Posted by: Louise at January 29, 2011 4:24 PM

He claims that the British "wiped out cultures"...

They did?

Which ones,?

I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me!

The culture they wiped out is Their Own.

Posted by: Joe at January 29, 2011 4:38 PM

Notice a striking similarity between Radical Islamists and the Left elites in Europe?

End quote:----------

Yep and I've also noted a trend in Eurabia that the Islamofacists publicly support liberal politicians during elections but they secretly support a Muslim Islamists and guess which one end up winning the elections? The Islamofacists utter contempt for the leftards is amusing but the left aren't bright enough to realise they'll be replaced by Msulims and then Sharia law will rule.

Posted by: Rose at January 29, 2011 4:55 PM

The Moslem Murder Cult butchering, stoning, blowing up and beheading human beings 24/7, 365 days of the year somewhere in the world. Day after day after day.

Posted by: RFB at January 29, 2011 5:06 PM

Ummmmm....So not every single event from the era of colonization hundreds of years ago stands up to modern PC scrutiny. This means that we should ignore the abuse of women and children in Europe today?? Leftist logic at its finest - don't address the actual situation, just look for excuses to ignore the facts and keep the focus on demonizing the West. Mr. Dreadlocks, why don't you move away from your "blame the successful for everything" mindset and give us your concrete suggestions as to what we should DO (not merely talk about) regarding the the topic at hand - the abuse of women and children within the Muslim sub-culture in the West? What the original post is stating is that the these crimes that are happening now need to be openly addressed and acted upon, and that any culture that supports things like the rape of children and subjugation of women is espousing inferior, barbaric practices. If you go far back enough in history, most cultures have numerous practices that we now view as barbaric. They either set them aside voluntarily or had them stopped when more powerful societies (like the British) forced them to. Restating the "colonization was evil" mantra as an apologetic for what some Muslims are doing today is illogical and irrelevant, and only serves the cause of the abusers.

Posted by: first timer at January 29, 2011 7:08 PM

the little snot isn't very grateful to Lord Wilberforce is he?

Posted by: john begley at January 29, 2011 8:02 PM

I left a comment to the guy that 'lookout' and 'batb' referred to. Here's what he wrote back:

"I think Condell should be shut up for the simple fact that he does more harm than good. Sure he's well spoken and puts his argument across well but in the end he's just a smug old man in a sweater who hates Islam. If he really wanted things to change, he'd go after the government because they are the root of the problem."

TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE of a Leftist or Radical Islamist. BOTH are Fascists!!!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at January 29, 2011 9:25 PM

I wonder how many of these BTJs realize that when the British arrived to set up shop in India, the subcontinent was largely ruled by the Moguls, who were descendants of the Mongols of the Mongol Empire/Genghis Khan fame, arguably one of the most brutal and bloodthirsty conquerors in history?

The Moguls had been masters over the indigenous Indians for centuries. The Taj Mahal was built by one of their emperors. The Mongol empire, although short lived, was the largest ever created. Not even the British possessed more land at the height of their empire's expanse.

Posted by: Louise at January 29, 2011 9:47 PM

Louise, I suspect that Genghis Khan and his Tatars/Mongols were Liberals.;-)

They inflicted a lot of collateral damage when they were double-crossed.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 29, 2011 10:30 PM

first timer, it was good to hear from you.

Re your mention of “‘colonization was evil’ mantra”: this reminded me of General Sir Charles James Napier (August, 10, 1782 – August 29, 1853):

“A story for which Napier was noted involved a delegation of Hindu locals approaching him and complaining about prohibition of Sati, often referred to at the time as suttee, by British authorities. This was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband. The exact wording of his response varies somewhat in different reports, but the following version captures its essence:

“‘You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; [then] beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.’”

When confronted with barbarism, what happens when our enemies are totally committed to their bloodthirsty, inhuman customs and our civilized customs are not only foreign to us, but reviled?

My answer: What fools we are! Kyrie eleison.

Posted by: lookout at January 29, 2011 11:10 PM

JMD makes a nice try in comparing Haiti and Barbados as illustrating the differences between French and British colonialism. But matters are far more complex. Jamaica and Barbados were both colonized by the British; both gained their independence about the same time; and at independence they were comparably well off. Today, Barbados has developed well, while Jamaica, although it isn't Haiti, has fallen far behind Barbados.

Posted by: Roseberry at January 29, 2011 11:22 PM

lookout, I was going to post that British response to the traditional cultural practice of burning widows but you beat me to it. That's the type of approach we need in the west to TROP.

I can't see why people have a problem with letting immigrants clearly know what is acceptable in this country and what isn't. As theo groenevelt pointed out, the CINO government of Canada is introducing absolutely asinine legislation whereas it has let the HRC's continue. I've let them know that until they do something about the HRC's, any political donations from me to CINO's will be nonexistent.

As was pointed out in the video, cultures are not equivalent and Western culture has clearly shown itself to be superior to backward cultures, especially the adherents of a medieval religion created by a pedophile with temporal lobe epilepsy. What we need is a revival of the old arrogance that got us to where we are now. One of the first things we should do is take all of the female members of HRC's and give them one way tickets to Saudi Arabia although I suspect that after a few lashings from the religious police they'll just become good dhimmis.

Posted by: loki at January 30, 2011 2:42 AM

One only has to compare Belize. An English Colony compared to any Central American or South American Nation except Chile.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/1955.htm

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 30, 2011 3:00 AM

loki: "What we need is a revival of the old arrogance that got us to where we are now."

That's the spirit!

Posted by: lookout at January 30, 2011 8:32 AM

loki and lookout: Others, the PC Crowd, would call it arrogance, when, in fact, we would just be boldly asserting our proven competence and track record ... ;-)

Posted by: batb at January 30, 2011 8:44 AM

Condell's religious view is not unlike Christopher Hitchens' view, generally dumping on dead nuns and the like, or Oriana Fellacci in her death throes. They are cowards whose only claim to fame is that they pick on those least likely to fight back. Best thing to do is walk away, shaking the dust from your feet. If you haven't got the calling, I guess you might not be wanted or seen worthy of it.

Posted by: larben at January 30, 2011 9:10 AM

larben, I'm not comfortable with Condell's atheism and rather aggressive anti-Christian stance, but he does make sense when he speaks about what Islam is doing to -- and in -- the West.

Unfortunately, he's short-sighted when it comes to how this "pretty pass" came about, which is when we in the West decided to chuck our religious (aka Christian) convictions and live on our own strength. That usually ends up disastrously -- well, we can see how disastrously. In giving up our Christian principles and adopting the "all cultures are equal" meme, we've opened our Western democracies to immigrants whose illiberal and tyrannical religious convictions and lifestyles threaten our democratic freedoms.

Posted by: batb at January 30, 2011 10:00 AM

The truth is that everyone still feels too safe to speak up in masses and try to stop this nonsense. The countrysides in this country are virtually free of new immigrants and people in the city (since the new immigrants stick to their new monocultural neighbourhoods) aren't much affected by immigrants either. By the time we figure out that there is a real threat to our way of living, it will be too late. It is always fear of movement and change that brings people to the brink of huge change and huge war.

Posted by: rj at January 30, 2011 10:44 AM

larben, you never cease to amaze. "Condell's religious view is not unlike... Oriana Fellacci (sic) in her death throes. They are cowards whose only claim to fame is that they pick on those least likely to fight back."

Oriana Fallaci was a miracle of courage. She took a bullet in Mexico. She tore off her veil in the presence of the Ayatollah Khomeini in the immediate aftermath of the Iranian revolution. She spent her last years fending off predatory lawsuits for refusing to be silenced. But you hate her because she wasn't a Catholic.

I don't think she was a Jewish atheist, you know, so there's no need to totally freak out.

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 30, 2011 2:22 PM

Perhaps I shouldn't comment, as I'm not 100% sure. But I think, Black Mamba, that what larben was saying, was that it's Christopher Hitchens who was attacking Oriana Fellacci and that it's Hitchens who's the coward picking on "those least likely to fight back."

Mea culpa if I've misread larben's intentions, but that's how I read his comment.

Posted by: batb at January 30, 2011 5:31 PM

batb - I don't happen to think either Hitchens or Condell are cowards either, although I can certainly see how Hitch has gone out of his way to offend Catholics. But it seems to me that larben was including Fallaci in his list of cowards, whereas she was, to quote Mark Steyn, "almost insanely brave".

Did Hitchens insult Fallaci (who as an atheist standing up to the islamization of the West shared a fairly narrow ideological niche with Condell and Hitch) when she was dying? I never heard of it.

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 30, 2011 6:06 PM

I guess we'll only know what larben's intentions were if he replies to our queries.

I certainly don't consider Oriana Fellacci a coward; she was brave and fierce, and I admired her.

The only atheists I have a problem with are those who slag Christianity and people of faith. That I have a problem with and although I greatly admire Hitchens' smarts and his defense of the War in Iraq, I'm pretty annoyed with him for his out-of-hand dismissal of God and his derogatory comments about religious like Mother Teresa. I'd like to see him spend his life in the teeming, filthy streets of Calcutta with the dispossessed and dying, day in and day out.

I suspect he couldn't last a few hours without his Scotch and the many opulent comforts his writing career affords him.

Posted by: batb at January 30, 2011 6:31 PM

Too stupid and complacent? The Western Press?

Nawwww...that's not it. Try cowardice.

Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at February 1, 2011 2:42 PM
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