Not all Conservatives are conservative.

Most of these shallow-thinking add producers are graduates of art schools where everything is "just fine" and there is "nothing off limits" because it restricts the flow of ideas...and well...you know...ideas are all good, man....and why are you harshing my mellow, man?

It is difficult at the best of times to guage how effective an ad will be.
Bearing in mind that appparently only 16% of Canadians follow politics currently.....many, of the 86%, may be effectively, influenced negtively to the LIBRANOs.....you have to cobnsider the audience.....in 2008 the US Democrats guessed the US voters were stupid and were correct.

Context?
The don't need no steen-keen context.

Oh, and the message seems to be, "We're Conservative and we're afraid of an election."

correction:
WE don't need no steen-keen context.

"... looks like it was dreamed up in about five seconds, by a bunch of drunken frat boys."

Yep. Those Deke frat boys over at U of A have done it again!

Why the smear of drunken frat boys?

I know Drunkenfratboys, and believe me, whoever did these ads was no Drunkenfratboys.

The problem with these ads is they're exactly the same as the last set a couple of years back.

I'm sure some of the deep thinkers can come up with something better.

But then, it could just be a clever tactic: run recycled attack ads now, when the opposition forces an election, switch to the ones that say ‘Canadians didn't want an election, so why are they forcing Canadians to have an election.'

Stupid ad, stupid concepts. "Unnecessary" election? Elections can "damage" our economic recovery?

Hey CPC, I know you're lurking these comments. How about you pinheads run on a TAX CUT, and then propose some MAJOR SPENDING CUTS, and maybe REDUCE THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE HEAD COUNT by a couple hundred thousand useless unionized seat polishers starting with the Human Rights Commission and all its minions, and oh yeah, how about killing the gun registry, and gee, maybe ever RETURN THE RIGHT TO OWN PROPERTY to Canadians...

... or maybe ever just remind everybody about the Green Shaft. It hasn't been that long.

There's no shortage of freakin' outrages to go around, you don't have to make sh1t up out of whole cloth.

Hey, careful there, not all current of former frat boys are drunks. A little red wine on occasion or maybe a Western Light watching the Leafs get clobbered.

I have to agree though that these ads are quite juvenile and should made sensible to appeal to both Mr. and Ms. Six Pack as well as to those who read the National Post and WSJ from behind a desk.

As different events around the world from the February 1917 Russian revolution to the riots in Egypt today have shown, a political party or movement has to appeal in a meaningful bullsh1t free way to the average guy and his significant other in the street.

How about talking up the fact that elections cost a lot of tax dollars and the Liberals, who haven't yet paid back the money they stole in AdScam and whose election war chest is paid largely with the tax dollars glommed from that $1.95 vote subsidy, don't care how Canadian taxes are squandered and Hey! "They're only interested in power anyway." as that little coalition deal they made with the NDP/Bloc clearly shows.

blue liberals or red liberals, what's the difference? They're still all liberals.

I have to agree that these ads are not helping the cause.

Attack ads in our politics. In our cities. In Canada, eh.

The latest generation of political hacks (of all parties) are merely the result of the times. Honesty, integrity and truth seem to be lost on this group but at the same time they are reflecting the changing values of many of today's voters.

Remember, Obama got elected not with substance but with style.

Overall, the ads are quite stupid, however the phrase "He didn't come back for you!" is rather catchy.

Gerry Nichols is a Red Tory that fits well in CTV debates...Too lefty to be SUN news material IMO

He recommends the Libs to counter with:

"See how the Prime Minister is debasing political debate in this country with outrageous and appalling personal attacks? Haven't you had enough!"
But that's always the reply when it comes to right wing political adds...CTV and CBC are already screaming those words for the Liberals for free anyway.

Nichols then says:

"Then there is the ethical factor. Michael Ignatieff never said "Yes" to an "unnecessary election." Yet the Tories are implying he did through a cheap editing trick."

Ah boohoo! The Libs never made any dishonest adds (Remember the soldiers in the streets with guns)

Anyway, according to Jane Taber, only 15% of Canucks should know it's an editing job, the rest might believe in it, so in my book, it's a winner for the Conservatives, no?

Nichols, politics is a blood sport...If you faint at the mere thought of the red stuff, you are in the wrong line of work, IMO.

Pretty much all the Tory ad seem infantile...targeting superficial intellects. The only people they'll get with that targeting are those prone to vote liberal - - no wait, that dodn't come out right.

Rutherford topic today, Liberal media bias in Ottawa.
here's what he was talking about

http://thealbertaardvark.blogspot.com/2011/01/ctvgate-ctv-cuts-2-seconds-out-of.html

I say we put those drunken frat boys on Double Secret Probation.

I think it is dumb too. Why run ads at all? However it got the economy in there and there are a lot of Libs that don't like the current leader, so maybe it was to make them stay home.

I like these ads. Where was the outrage when the CBC and CTV took Harpers words on hanging and spun them into a scary Secret Agenda. Go hard on the Liberal Losers.

If it makes a pack of Liberals whine, it did its job. Twas a hurtin add!

"This video has been removed by the u"

that's all I could see on the link.

SDA gets results?

SDA gets results?

I think the result that we're angling for is to produce great ads, not to simply remove poorly thought out ads.

There's no shortage of freakin' outrages to go around, you don't have to make sh1t up out of whole cloth.
~the Phantom

I agree.

More ads, please.

Liberal Iggy needs a makeover.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

With the incredible political three ring circus in he USA and the muslims rioting all over the middle east .. who the hell is bothering to pay attention to whats going on in Lottowa.

Yes, SDA gets results. The first round of Tory ads
were good. Right on target - if I may use that word.

The Phantom at 12:51
[.......Hey CPC, I know you're lurking these comments. How about you pinheads run on a TAX CUT, and then propose some MAJOR SPENDING CUTS, and maybe REDUCE THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE HEAD COUNT by a couple hundred thousand useless unionized seat polishers starting with the Human Rights Commission and all its minions, and oh yeah, how about killing the gun registry, and gee, maybe ever RETURN THE RIGHT TO OWN PROPERTY to Canadians...

... or maybe ever just remind everybody about the Green Shaft. It hasn't been that long.

There's no shortage of freakin' outrages to go around, you don't have to make sh1t up out of whole cloth..........]

One problem buddy.....government employees are the largest demographic in Canada. They out-number Quebecers, Tamils, Muzzies and queers combined.

The MSM has already loudly characterized the recent tame ads that use Ignatiefs own words in proper context as attack ads. These new ads, which take Ignatief's "Yes yes yes" words out of context but factually state Ignatief's stated positions, push the envelop still further. Although they are not in the same attack league as the "guns in our cities" ads or previous Liberal ads showing a gun firing in our face.

The MSM has used all the fake moral indignation to counteract the tame "attack" ads to protect their Liberal friends. They have cried wolf too often and have no credibility left on this subject.

To begin with I have said it before to my Conservative MP.
Stop the BS & govern, there is no need for the ads When there is no election, There is no need to stoop to their level IE tanks in the streets & hidden adgenda
Dont give them any ammo whats so ever.
iam a card carrying Conservative

I like the ads. Context be damned. The question posed and the answer "yes" are not incorrect.

Iggy may have had a "dean" moment. His opponents should make the most of it.

Also, note the weblink - www.ignatieff.me

perfect.

Politics is not for the faint of heart or the poltically tone-deaf.

(can you imagine what the LPC and the NDs would do if they had footage of PMSH looking and sounding like this?)

I quite liked the "It's morning in Canada" ad.. the rest of them were juvenile and I think did more harm than good.

Cross-posted at Dr. Roy's:

Is the ad we're talking about the "Yes! Yes! Yes!" ad?

If so, I don't have a problem with it. Iggy's pretty much said he wants an election -- heck, when hasn't he wanted one, then keeps backing out? Apparently, the Liberal$ have had over 100 opportunities to vote no confidence in the CPC government and never have.

Iggy's the boy who called "Wolf!" so many times that he lost credibility.

As far as the CPC slogan, "He didn't come back for you!": Right on!

Count Ignatieff came back for the Liberal backroom boys to put the Librano$ back in power and, into the bargain, to get himself a gold-plated pension and benefits package -- in other words, cash for life without winning the Lottery. Canadians have been saddled with this guy with a tin ear and lead tongue, who hasn't a clue what makes Canadians tick or what we need in order to build a strong, stable country. He only knows the slippery, slidey entitled, we're-better-than-everyone-else-because-we're-i-n-t-e-l-l-e-c-t-u-a-l-s leftards in the LPC and the media.

I don't mind seeing the CPC have a little fun with the LPC's anointed leader, and if certain c/Conservatives don't like it, that's fine. They don't have to live with the every day opprobrium of the Librano$ and their journalistic hacks in the media. 'Might as well be killed for a sheep as a lamb.

...

Oh, and a few more things about Iggy: He holidays in southern France a lot and, except for his ridiculous bus tours "of Canada" in order to make up for all the time he spends outside Canada, he's AWOL.

The CPC know this guy better than we do -- and so do the media, but they're not telling -- so I'm sure they know what they're talking about when they repeat, "He didn't come back for you!"

I've always discerned that he's a phony and only in the HOC for his own ends and any glory that being the leader of the LPC might bring his way. His bona fides as a politician are non-existent, whereas his credentials as a Rosedale/Forest Hill socialist are sterling.

Sasquatch said: "...government employees are the largest demographic in Canada."

Yeah. Herein lies the problem eh?

But wouldn't it be juicy to set up a nice divide-and-conquer program on these weasels? Get them infighting and dueling among themselves to prove that THEIR program or THEIR ministry was far too important to be cut, not like those slackers over there in Health... or Environment, or DND, or Transport, or... you get the picture.

Its what they do to us, isn't it?

I don't mean there shouldn't be attack ads, I mean there should be ads attacking something that everybody in Canada will stand up on their chair and cheer for when it comes on. Shouldn't be a hard search, I mean if you can get a whole bar to stand up for some dork saying "a hat is a toque" you can get 'em up for a tax cut or FREEDOM for God's sake.

They can even use Iggy saying "YES!!!", it'd be a shame to waste that Meg Ryan moment, that's a classic.

CPC lurkers, take NOTE you morons. Jeeze! Hire Kate why don't ya?! Can't afford quality help or what?

FYI - the Ads have been pulled. Kate ET al may think this is a victory, I think their creators are saying "mission accomplished".

Have you ever taken a shot and missed, Kate?

MM

I believe the whining, crying and faux outrage over these ads is just simply over the top. I can understand the "Pooping Puffins" in the media suffering from some kind of self imposed righteous indignation and self induced personal trauma over their leaders own words and actions being used against him, but why anyone else would care is really a mystery. Politics is a blood sport that can be crass, brutal, cruel, and unfair. Framing your opponents motivations as suspect and questionable is something that happens in politics, and in a country like Canada where the media openly shill for one side of the political sphere ("Liberals") it should be considered as a necessary tactic. The media in Canada frame the PM as a mean spirited, fire wall building, Canada hater with a "hidden agenda" without any proof, and they do this 24 hours a day. I have absolutely no sympathy for Iggo and the "Liberals" who undeservedly garner an absolute and utter free ride from the MSM. "Liberals" and their media whores can dish it out, but they sure can't take it, they're constantly lying, manufacturing "scandal" where none exsists, and dragging the level of political discourse down into the gutter, but when their opponents fight back they suddenly and inexplicably turn into delicate flowers that are conveniently hurt and outraged. I do believe the ads to be somewhat of an overkill, but I also think there funny, accurate and effective. My message to the media and the "Liberals" is that if you're going to force an unnecessary election, than the Conservatives can campaign too, and guess what, their narrative is going to be different from the one you ram down peoples throats, so stop faking outrage and whining when things don't go your way, and for gosh sakes grow a pair.

I'm confused, what "conservative" party are you people talking about?

There's the NDP socialists, the "Progressive" Liberal Party of Canada, the "Protection Racket" BLOC ... and the "New" Liberal Party of Canada ... I think they call themselves Tories or something like that.

How can you expect better ads from a party that no longer knows what it is, what it stands for ... they should really call themselves the BPP (Bi-Polar Party).

The BPP relies on an army of loyal sychophants whose excuses for the pablum that passes as policy are either a) they're better than the alternative, or b) just wait till we get a majority, then we can do what we want, or C) it's the MSM's fault.

Here's a news flash: Any modern political party run by a so-called brilliant Chess Player that dishes up ads like the one Kate illustrates is NOT led by a chess player ... it's led by hacks who can't see past the Ottawa battlelines and who would sell each and every conservative in the country down the drain for power.

Although,I'll admit, it must be a blast leading a party so full of ass kissing die-hard loyalists that no matter how much you insult them, they'll march in step as long as you toss them a bone now and then. (oh oh, the troops are restless ... quick, lend some meaningless support to Israel)

That ad, IS, the Harper Tories.

Do you hear voices in your head cjunk?

∞², Cjunk must hear voices in his head, because I am pretty sure one of them was mine.

You NAILED it Cjunk.

Cjunk: the "wait until we get a majority" is a legitimate argument.

WF buckley argued that conservatives should vote for the most conservative candidate that has a realistic chance of winning. A derivation of that argument is the CPC delivering the most conservative government possible and still staying in power. I have it from solid sources that that is precisely what Stephen harper has told his caucus he is trying to do. Now you and others can quibble around the fringes about whether PMSH and co. are achieving that goal to perfection, but nothing substantive has not been done or attempted that would not have also likely cost the CPC its weak mandate.

If the CPC gets a majority and fails to act in a timely manner on the policies outlined in their well-vetted platform, i will be first in line to condemn the party's leadership. But under the circumstances I think they are doing a magnificent job.

I think Cjunk, Gord and Kate all make valid points.

As Cjunk notes, the Harper government has compromised and IMHO become overly focused on tactics rather than working on a incremental conservative agenda and letting the chips fall where they may.

As Gord notes, political reality has dictated a tactical focus.

As Kate has noted often, smarmy political communications of the juvenile order are best left to blogger's who so indulge. Keep it professional at CPC HQ and leave the gotcha stuff to the blogosphere.

Respectfully.

I don't even know what to say other than that cjunk nailed it and the whining of the partisans is just so pathetic. Admit it: Harper is out of his element. Has been since at least his election. Doesn't understand political strategy.

@GordTulk: you're actually quoting that pompous polysyllabic ass Buckley? Screw that intellectual lightweight. If you think this is the rightiest government we could have you are willfully delusional Chretien and Martin governed to the right of these.

Libs STILL owe more than $40 million STOLEN under the sponsorship fiasco.
If I were the Tories,I would have EVERY ad take place in front of Groupeaction, and others offices.

Even if they're out of business.

Just to remind Canadians, of WHO feels they're ENTITLED to taxpayers loot. A dying lib is a good start in my opinion.

I've met a couple of these tories, and drunken frat boys isn't too out of line. The good news is the other teams thinkers are far less lucid.

I suppose we can file this one under, "but, but, we're a minority government" or " The Liberals would have bid ten times the expected price."

"The mystery buyer of a one-of-a-kind, Canadian-linked vase that sold last week at a New York auction for more than $650,000 -- five times the expected price -- was the Canadian government itself, Heritage Minister James Moore and the National Gallery of Canada have revealed."

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/Government+buys+vase/4189006/story.html

The best advice ever: Phantom: 'CPC lurkers, take NOTE you morons. Jeeze! Hire Kate why don't ya?! Can't afford quality help or what?'