VDH ... Political Vultures.
Adler ... Visits Salem
CTV ... Quotes Newsbusters!
Posted by Cjunk at January 10, 2011 6:51 PMThose that would take cheap political advantage from a tragic event initiated by a mentally deranged man are lower than pond scum, useless as farts in a wetsuit and people not worthy of being considered good enough to take part in any public discourse.
CBC was particularly bad and should fire Neil MacDonald and apologize to all Canadians for their scurrilous, politically slanted coverage.
Neil MacDonald should have been fired for his awful reporting during the last election.
Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at January 10, 2011 7:17 PMAnd they wonder why the 'Tea Party' exists. 'They' should look no further than the mirror. 'They' created their own nemesis and they cannot see it or figure it out. Not to bright, I'd say.
Posted by: Bec at January 10, 2011 7:25 PMLast night on the CBC, while citing Palin and the Tea Party for blame, McDonald conveniently left out the fact that Loughner had his first confrontation with Gifford in 2007 -- before anyone knew Palin and before the Tea Party existed -- knowing that its mention would have established a continuity error in the motive he was attempting to construct and would have exposed himself to viewers as the dishonest, discredited and corrupt journalist he knows he is.
Posted by: jon at January 10, 2011 7:32 PMSad thing is that in this tragic event the damage could have been much lessened or outright prevented. The Democrats, gun control proponents, were likely unarmed at an event and place where any country including our own would have allowed otherwise.
Historically, the assassin is almost always a Lefty. Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind.
Is there a single soul in the MSM in Canada who is willing to stand up and tell the truth, that the media just en masse created a (another)terrible lie.
Just one? I wont expect Traverse to do it, but where are the supposed conservative voices?
Where are you Barbra Kay, Kevin Libin, Goldstein,Gunter,Blatch, Wente? Where are you?
Posted by: ward at January 10, 2011 7:38 PM"Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind."
We need to start rounding up people who use their middle names before they become assassins.
Posted by: John Wilkes Booth at January 10, 2011 7:38 PMWhen all the pointing fingers tire and are put away, this demonstrates the fact you can't trust the data or motives of the MSM.
I even heard Wolf Bitzer apologize for the speculating of "over zealous colleagues" today. I think the left media reflex to pin all random violence on their ideological enemies, was exposed very openly here and they are doing damage control to salvage what shreds of credibility they have.
Jonah Goldberg devoted a whole chapter to this MSM demonizing process in his opus "Liberal Fascism. I love it when the left media is caught with its Freudian slip showing ;-)
Posted by: Occam at January 10, 2011 7:42 PMAdler is right on the dot!!
Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 10, 2011 7:58 PMThe epitomy of this was a Seattle(I think) news report that Sarah Palin was being charged as an assessory to murder.......
I got this from a fence-post LIBRANO today who said he heard that on the radio.
Now he wouldn't lie to me would he?
Fred writes: "CBC was particularly bad and should fire Neil MacDonald and apologize to all Canadians for their scurrilous, politically slanted coverage."
The CBC is usually particularly bad, but as bad as MacDonald may be, he likely cannot compare with his counterpart on CBC Radio, the odious, snotty, and insufferable Michael Coulton.
Uh-oh; I'm sorry. I wouldn't want any troubled, unstable person to be influenced toward anti-social behaviour by my considered opinion of Mr Coulton.
Posted by: Roseberry at January 10, 2011 8:09 PMThe Dems have two bills ready to go for Congress already. phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2011/01/inevitably.html
Today they are doubling down on the spin from yesterday. Its like tourette syndrome with these people, they simply can't stop themselves. The Tucson sheriff has called out Limbaugh by name.
Limbaugh naturally was on FIRE today, wanted to know if Hollywood had anything to answer for due to 40 years of ever increasing screen violence, perversion, and assorted whatnot in movies and TV.
Good question. They don't have an answer of course, they just bray louder.
For my money, this is the middle of The End for the Dems. The beginning of the end was NOW giving Slick Willie a free pass for Monicagate, this clown circus today, presided over by Barry "The Joker" Obama is the middle.
Posted by: The Phantom at January 10, 2011 8:14 PMI don't blame the news outlets for getting it wrong in those first few hours. The frog of war, where the first casualty is Babe Ruth, and all that.
Posted by: rabbit at January 10, 2011 8:19 PMHere's David Frum making one of the weakest arguments ever.
Listen to it and then just imagine what would have happened had Sarah Palin tried to do any of the things he suggested. IMO she would have been [proverbially] massacred.
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at January 10, 2011 8:22 PMward@ 7:38
I think you'll find that your list of "voices" are well reasoned true journalists and not prone to the intellectually bankrupt knee-jerk reaction of those we witnessed over the weekend. I'm sure after the dust settles, the truth comes out, that their articles will not disappoint.
Posted by: pkuster at January 10, 2011 8:22 PMHe was a 911 'truther'
That is the litmus test for finding loony, anarcho leftards.
"He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11"
Quote from Axxwipe PreSS, about 3/4 way down.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gutbUc8KWEv3iMUewPN445D4uSYw?docId=c09a07a17e1b4aaa82815779cbf6f758
Wont see that on the state propaganda outlet.
Heck, half their newsroom probably thinks that to be the 'suppressed' truth.
Posted by: trappedintrudeaupia at January 10, 2011 8:23 PMI blame the Seattle Seahawks for stealing the Superbowl from its rightful owners and thus creating an atmosphere of pending violence. After all, the Christian Right feels that any team called the Saints has a moral right to win.
Why not? It's as logical as any 'reason' I've heard from the left.
Valid point albertaclipper, but how does that explain the 'Riders of 2010?
Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 10, 2011 8:53 PMTrappedintrudeaupia>
“He was a 911 'truther'”
I am NOT a truther, but I think it’s irresponsible to broadly paint individuals who question “official stories” laid out by governments as simply nutcases. If we do that, then you follow the shepherd like a sheep.
Not to debate 9/11 but I believe that citizens have a right to question some of the questionable elements of what happened there. Alarm bells should go off in everyone’s heads over the whitewashing of evidence (removal & destroying) in this case along with the farcical “investigation” and kangaroo commission findings.
It should be a right of every tax paying citizen in any country to ask for their moneys worth when crimes have been perpetrated against them, and not be labeled a nut in doing so. This is not a right wing verses left wing argument.
Posted by: Knight 99 at January 10, 2011 8:59 PMWhen the Fort Hood shooter killed 13 of his fellow soldiers, it was a ‘random act of violence.'
When a troubled kid goes on a shooting spree, it's Palin, Limbaugh and Beck.
Yeah. That must be it.
Posted by: set you free at January 10, 2011 9:04 PMAce Of Spades has an interesting post,in the sense that it explains why the sherriff might have a major conflict of interest or failure of duty.
dupnik's Report: Yeah, Loughner Did Make Death Threats
Posted by: greyburr at January 10, 2011 9:06 PMAdler had me at "my favorite Movie voice, Sam Elliott as the Wyatt Earp's brother." No need to read any further.
The media's narrative about the "culture of violence" reminded me of Iowahawk's satirical warnings about scary left-wing journalists in his Media Violence Project. A lighthearted read may be just the thing to counter the overheated rantings of progressive news of the last couple days.
Media Violence Project
Journo-politico Violence: Deadly Threat or Menacing Trend?
"At the Media Violence Project, our charter is to protect public safety by researching, documenting and raising awareness about the ever-increasing wave of violent, disgusting crimes perpetrated by members of the American news media. It is a largely thankless task -- often requiring a cast iron stomach -- but if our work has prevented one more American child from falling victim to a criminally insane anchorman or newspaper reporter, it will all have been worth it."
Posted by: LC Bennett at January 10, 2011 9:09 PMBlaming Bush must be past it's prime so now it's blame Palin!
To show how ridiculous those statements are, QR77 (our local AM radio station) was blaming Palin for the crappy weather, crappy road conditions, etc. (all in jest of course to show how stupid those pundits are).
Posted by: Aizlynne at January 10, 2011 9:12 PMI heard Mario Dumont who was the leader of the A.D.Q. in Quebec saying he was completely taken aback by the attacks on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party after the shootings (and he is no great supporter of Sarah Palin he says). Mario has his own t.v. show commenting on the news and is also a commentator on radio panel groups.
Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at January 10, 2011 9:13 PM"Here's David Frum making one of the weakest arguments ever."
The problem with Frum is that he misses the obvious. If Palin is expected to come out and apologize for over-heated rhetoric and reach a hand across the isle then surely it's even more encumbent on the President to apologize for his role and extend a hand in calming the rhetoric.
Where's the call for this? Where is does he even begin appearing "presidential" and above the fray?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 at January 10, 2011 9:13 PMWho tortures themselves listening to CBC radio anyways?
The rare times I tune it in, usually thru autoscan, there is always some leftwing sob story on, about "Why isn't the government doing this, blah, blah, blah......"
Posted by: DanBC at January 10, 2011 9:15 PMAll the talk os semantics, overnment conspiracies, mind control etc....it is clear there is one source for this guys thoughts.
Noam Chomsky
Posted by: Stephen at January 10, 2011 9:26 PMh2o273kk9 said: "If Palin is expected to come out and apologize for over-heated rhetoric and reach a hand across the isle ..."
Yep, that sounds like Frum, advising Palin to seize defeat from the very jaws of victory. Wadda maroon.
What Palin should do, and what I expect she will do, is reach a hand across the isle and SLAP some of these disgusting Leftists upside the head.
People who were trying to advance their gun control and censorship agenda on Gabby Giffords' back before she was even out of surgery. They yanked the bloody shirt off a nine year old and waved it before she was even dead in the hospital.
The -only- thing for Conservatives to do is face them down. Now is the hour.
Posted by: The Phantom at January 10, 2011 9:44 PMDavid Frum demonstrates again today why he was fired by the American Enterprise Institute.
He never has been a conservative and never will be.
Posted by: ward at January 10, 2011 9:45 PMThe never-ending attacks and blame placed on Sarah Palin surely puts her life at risk since those hateful columns and blog entries that are read by millions, might ... just ... motivate ... a left wing loon ... to shoot her?
That is what these horrid men are implying in the reverse.
What's good for the goose ...
If Krugman, Daley and Sullivan were sincere, they would not be doing exactly what they are accusing others of doing that results in violence and death.
They should be charged for inciting such activity.
Posted by: Abe Froman at January 10, 2011 9:52 PMAbe Froman - this is what I keep saying. If someone takes a shot at Palin, or Beck (who wears a bullet-proof vest at public appearances as I understand) or Limbaugh, or even Bush, or...
I have some names of people who've said mean things.
Phantom - yes, Palin needs to say something right now.
Posted by: Black Mamba at January 10, 2011 9:57 PMJust a reminder to those that do:
Pray for Sarah and family.
As outrageous as this media nonsense is to us, I shudder to think how the Palin's feel.
Phantom, she is one tough Lady, she could come out swinging, but they aren't worth her time or energy.
The latest but unsubstantiated rumour is that the shooter is a Lefty-Liberal.... the MSM will most assuredly bury that tidbit should it be true.
Posted by: NO QUARTER at January 10, 2011 10:05 PMbluetch - "...they aren't worth her time or energy."
Oh yes they are. This is about who determines the narrative.
Posted by: Black Mamba at January 10, 2011 10:06 PMCTV has a photo of the prick. Imagine a young uncle Fester. He is one weird looking man.
Knight 99 @ 8:59,there is a civic responsibility to ask questions of the gov't,however to relentlessly pursue a theory against all evidence,a theory that excuses the perpetrators and vilifies the victims,is wrong. And to do it for years is f'en childish,and a sign of broken head thinking.
Posted by: wallyj at January 10, 2011 10:07 PMCross posted on thread below:
O. M. G.
The CBC's Neil MacDonald just went on a verbal rampage. He showed shots (whoops, sorry!) of numerous "right-wingers" voicing their vitriolic opinions and then opined that although people on the Left sometimes say intemperate things (without showing one raging Leftie) it's much more of a problem on the Right. 'Never occurs to the bigot, that his alleged bigger problem on the Right has a lot to do with the slanted lens through which he and his cronies in the media see and report things.
He interviewed Eleanor Clift, that intrepid, aging, predictable, Leftie harpy about freedom of expression and gun control. She was like his dummy, just spouting points from his script.
Posted by: batb at January 10, 2011 10:13 PMbluetech / Black Mamba
They are worth her time and energy, but not worthy.
Those who attack one, attack us all.
Posted by: WalterF at January 10, 2011 10:20 PMDavid Frum is a disgrace: a liberal sycophant and toadie. I'm delighted to see that his betrayal is being noted. I posted the following at another thread:
I thought I’d check out David Frum’s weasel organization, No Labels, to get its take on the anti-Republican, anti-Tea Party, anti-Sarah Palin feeding frenzy in the aftermath of the Tucson tragedy. I wasn’t surprised by the hypocritical garbage No Labels has the audacity to spew, in an ever so serious tone, as if its progressive, anti-conservative stance has any credibility at all. Here’s what I sent to No Labels at its web site:
Your statement about the Tucson tragedy is utterly disingenuous.
There has already been knee-jerk, malicious finger pointing: and, with no evidence (he’s admitted it), Sheriff Dupnik, a Democrat, to whom No Labels ascribes some moral authority here, is actually one of the perpetrators. What about that?
I guess you're aware of the Democratic Leadership Committee’s 2004 map, “BEHIND ENEMY LINES”, with targets on Republican districts, as well as the vicious attacks on Sarah Palin. The attacks are all from the left, which, BTW, is where most of the vitriol is coming from. What about that?
I guess you've heard President Obama’s many incendiary comments about his “enemies”, such as: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl.” (Philadelphia in June, 2008) What about that?
No Labels seems awfully silent when it’s the left, as usual, dishing out the vitriol. What about that?
I’ve not trusted No Labels’ motives or goals from the get-go. Your rank hypocrisy re this tragic event and its aftermath has altogether confirmed my skepticism. How about getting your own house in order before telling the rest of us how to behave?
If you don’t have a motto for your group, let me suggest one: “DON’T do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords:
"I am urging the federal government to put national troops on the border. I'm urging the federal government to stand up forward operating bases, put more boots on the ground....I'm very angry. I'm very frustrated, and the people of Arizona are frustrated...if you drive out to Cochise County, you can drive for miles and miles and not see one border patrol agent."
The CBC's Senior Washington Correspondent Neil MacDonald, on last night's National:
"(Giffords) had taken positions that had angered the far right: she supported health care reform, and she had criticized Arizona's harsh law on illegal immigrants."
Gack. This, verbatim, is how MacDonald opened his report:
You know, Wendy, given all the violent rhetoric that's been coming from the far right in this country lately, what happened yesterday in Arizona seems almost like death foretold...
Then, an immediate cut to archival footage of a Tea Party rally...
It's almost enraging. Btw, Phantom (9:44) is exactly right: now is the time for conservatives to push back harder than ever. Anything even remotely resembling an apology, or any sign of remorse for fighting back against the leftist agenda will amount to waving a giant white flag.
Posted by: EBD at January 10, 2011 10:27 PMI have to admire those of you with strong enough stomachs to have listened to/watched/read CBC's offerings on this. I have purposely avoided the beast since this happened. I can well imagine what sort of feelings you had to endure. I hope you had your puke pail handy.
Posted by: Louise at January 10, 2011 10:29 PMTake heart y'all, this insanity from the MSM and the left in general is one more sign that they are simply being driven mad that their left wing agenda is dying.
Europe is in full retreat from the socialist ideal that have bankrupted them. Castro recently announce that he was wrong to inflict it on his people. Harper just stated that he is plugging the trough a bit and of course the Tea Party's entire agenda is for fiscal sanity and good governance.
In other words ... no more experimental communism in the USA.
The Lefties cannot believe (are in denial) that their movement is coming to an end. Obama was their great white hope (Can I use that metaphor without sounding racist?) and he has pretty much gone down the chute.
I don't expect them to go away quietly, but go away they must. We have a society to rebuild.
Posted by: Abe Froman at January 10, 2011 10:32 PMThe only statement Palin needs to make is to say the one that is obvious to anyone not suffering from PDS, "This is not about me. This is about the innocent victims and their families. This is about a criminal investigation. This is about the horror of mental illness."
Posted by: LC Bennett at January 10, 2011 10:35 PMOh me oh my.
Neil McDonald pouring it on in bucketfuls. Hitting Limbaugh, Palin and other figures. He seems to be in lockstep with the most manipulative of the liberal American press. This man is being paid with our tax payers dollars. Blatent propaganda, disguised as news.
Then back to Mansbridge. I see batb got in some observations at 10:13 pm. We are funding a rotten blatent political machine.
Posted by: Peter (Lock City) at January 10, 2011 10:46 PMWallyj >
I’m with you on that Wallyj. Though I think like all groups, the so called “truthers” are not one in the same mind frame. I doubt all are “vilifying the victims”. The other side of the point I was making was not the “beating it to death” campaign, but the clear lack of proper investigation into the matter. I’m guilty of not following 9/11 enough to know all the innuendo’s that are being claimed. But there seems to be clear issues on the backside of this thing aside from rubble and steel that has not been officially followed through with. Specifically what interests me a little is the peculiar stock trading and insurance payouts which appear to have benefited wealthy and very connected people. Truth? Who knows but these are the types of questions that real commissions pursue, yet in this case there was an obvious closing of the books way too early for my comfort.
The whole affair of 9/11 was a fundamental turning point in American history, especially for those that value smaller government and privacy. I personally think that the public should be demanding better explanations as to why they now need to live in a far more restrictive society than their parents grew up in. These greater restrictions of freedom and losses of privacy are based in “new laws” that were justified by the 9/11 events. There should be an outrageously forensic examination by the public to know why they are substantially less free than they were before said events.
Yet the greater public simply laughs off the fact that they have lost a great portion of their rights and freedoms in the US, fully accepting a basic “thrown out there” explanation by a government that has done nothing of value for them. In fact that government has openly lied almost daily about any number of other matters “except this one”. Weird but true, the general public sheepishly follows the MSM’s version of events. I would think that most people on SDA would question any story that the MSM lays out for you to swallow by now without critical analysis.
David Frum is deranged.
Sarah Palin's dignified statement and her subsequent silence are eloquent.
There's nothing more she needs to do right now.
David Frum? He can go fly a kite.
(I think he must be jealous. Sarah Palin is a much more attractive person altogether. Too bad, David: get over it.)
Malbon and Robertson just had another Palin-Limbaugh bashing 'report' on CTV.
Idiots.
No mention of Sheriff Dupnik being aware of Loughner's record of death threats.
This is what I just sent the CBC ombudsman, for what it's worth......
Sir, I wish to complain about the lack of journalistic integrity of one Neil McDonald, reporting on the Arizona shooting case. Despite many facts to the contrary, Mr McDonald continues to editorialize, opinionate and politicize this story, rather than investigate and report the story regarding the accused.
Despite the fact, that the accused has alleged mental health issues, as reported by various former friends and school acquaintances, despite the fact that he has never uttered right-wing political tendencies (in fact, he was a fan of Gifford's!), despite the fact some of his favourite books were Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto (again, not exactly the favourite reading material of Tea Party fans), despite the fact there are countless examples of much more vitriolic hate pieces and imagery against Bush, Palin, Beck, etc, and despite the fact his high school chum admitted, that the accused was "far-left" politically, Mr McDonald continues his meme of cherry picking remotely related facts, and twists and spins these items into a story that one would expect from the Jack Layton crowd, not from a TAXPAYER FUNDED EMPLOYEE!
I find Mr McDonald's remarks reprehensible, and lacking integrity whatsoever. He is allowed his personal opinion, of course, but not on the taxpayers dime.
What is his role, reporter, editorialist, columnist, or propaganda minister? If he doesn't know his role, perhaps yourself, or his higher ups need to sit him down ( as do most of those on the CBC) and stop being representatives of the Liberal and NDP parties, and start reporting news without editorializing or spinning into their pre-conceived agendas.
From the public broadcaster, the public expects fair and balanced reporting, not the report from left side of the world only!
Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’
[Editor's note: This blog post was published in 2008. In the wake of Saturday’s shooting rampage in Tucson, Ariz., a number of lawmakers and others have called for toning down the political rhetoric and President Barack Obama led a moment of silence this morning for the victims.
Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Philadelphia.
Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?
That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”
Sen. Barack Obama talks at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14. (AP)
The comment drew some laughs and applause. But it also struck a chord with his Republican rival. John McCain’s campaign immediately accused the Democratic candidate of playing the politics of fear. They also mentioned that Obama said he would use a gun that would be illegal under Obama’s plans to cut down on illegal firearms.
“Barack Obama’s call for ‘new politics’ is officially over. In just 24 hours, Barack Obama attacked one of America’s pioneering women CEOs, rejected a series of joint bipartisan town halls, and said that if there’s a political knife fight, he’d bring a gun,” McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.
Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly. “They’re going to try to scare people. They’re going to try to say that ‘that Obama is a scary guy,’” he said. A supporter yelled out a deep accented “Don’t give in!”
“I won’t but that sounded pretty scary. You’re a tough guy,” Obama said.
Posted by: Westcentral at January 11, 2011 12:18 AMLaughner was a "pot" head. So that obviously had a lot to do with his actions. That combined with the post by a leftist wingnut on KOS who said that as far as he was concerned the senator was dead. So as I see it, Laughner read the post on KOS, got stoned and committed murder. Pretty obvious to me.
Best reason AGAINST legalization of pot that I can think of.
Posted by: Horny Toad at January 11, 2011 12:45 AMWallyj, Knight99
There is a shared impulse behind the 9-11 'troofers' and the knee jerk blame-Palin impulse. It is the mutually shared political idea of all "Never let a crisis go to waste" Alinsky acolytes.
I have no objection whatsoever with questioning government and not taking anything emanating from it at face value. Indeed, government's massive inherent incompetence alone should lead a person to conclude the impossibility of troofer postulated theories.
The sole objective of the large majority of both Blame Palin and 'truther'groups is the same .
It is the undermining and destruction of classic liberal democracy as we enjoyed it pre-pierre turdo's makeover.
Knight99, " Specifically what interests me a little is the peculiar stock trading and insurance payouts which appear to have benefited wealthy and very connected people. Truth? "
I don't know about the stock trading,but I do know the truthers seem to think making insurance payments on a building is awfully suspicious. That's why most of us buy insurance after disaster strikes.(:-)
Posted by: wallyj at January 11, 2011 12:51 AMDan, you will eventually get a response from the CBC ombudsman or some apparatchik at Da Corporation. Please do copy & paste it here. They will, of course, weasel out of all journalistic responsibility but I'm always curious to see how they do it.
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at January 11, 2011 12:59 AMI don't expect anything really from the Ceeb, they look after their own.
The main reason for sending it, is to let them know that there are people seeing through their lies and propaganda. Their arrogance will dismiss it, as they are 'elite'
Posted by: DanBC at January 11, 2011 2:14 AMwallyj >
Again I didn't want to make this a 9/11 post,
"I don't know about the stock trading,but....."
Your right I'm wrong, we'll end it at that.
Posted by: Knight 99 at January 11, 2011 2:22 AMAs I am surfing around tonight and watching some tube, the talking points in the media are now about "rhetoric" and the new levels of "overheated" political rhetoric. (no mention of the Bush Derangement on the left for 8 years though)
The trajectory this is taking is that the Dems are angling for speech limitations. That's what they have turned this into, and the media is complicit in helping them establish the narrative they need to take the next step.
They will have the bill already written up in the drawer somewhere (just like health care). They were just waiting for an event to be able to exploit.
Everything about the medias coverage of this story from the beginning has smelled of a prepared story line - primarily because what they are reporting has no basis in the reality of what happened, yet they continue to push it and amplify it. They are laying the foundation to create a "crisis" - that crisis being overheated (right wing - never ever left) political rhetoric is dangerous to society.
Since the Dems and left say its Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Fox that are to blame, what do you think the legislation that will solve this "crisis" will be about? Limitations on speech that Dems don't like. Fairness Doctrine, and internet control for starters.
Nope, it wasn't Palin's fault, now it's FoxNews who is to blame.
The Globe's Doyle educates us all about how Fox is filled with hate and lies.
This from the same paper who ran the Scott Reid 'kill him, kill him dead' column about Stephen Harper and who never bothered to fact check the fabricated story about the Prime Minister and the fate of a bloody cracker.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/john-doyle/fox-news-and-the-poisoning-of-american-political-debate/article1864663/
Posted by: Stan at January 11, 2011 7:33 AMbluetech: "No mention of Sheriff Dupnik being aware of Loughner's record of death threats."
This sheriff's star is off-kilter -- and anyone who does a dye job like his should be ... well, dunked in, in ... something.
As for the MSM, they're running scared. Like an animal mortally wounded, the tail is thrashing: Take that and that. This verbal vitriol, most of it lies and fabrications, is their version of the thrashing tail.
Neil MacDonald is an utter disgrace.
Posted by: batb at January 11, 2011 7:36 AMI'll be watching the politicos for lots of new legislation to protect themselves and others, but there are laws in place already. It bugs me that the Pima county sheriff, who is way out in front of the blame stories, seems to be the one whose department was responsible for NOT getting the perps drug use and mental status before the court (which I would guess is backlogged in Tucson). Happened more than once too. I think I read there are three priors with this guy where they "cudda-shudda" filed and then the NICS would have worked and this perp could not have bought the gun.
From the LA times....
By law, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, includes criminal and some mental health records, but only for individuals who have been committed or found mentally defective in court.
I was so disappointed in CBC's National from last night (January 10th). Neil MacDonald was "acting" like a reporter, but, obviously, Neil does not have the skills to be a reporter. All Neil was doing was ranting about the "right", "tea partiers", etc. Have a listen!
Quite obviously, the CBC has chosen not to report the vicious protest during the Bush administration, where signs were common to "kill Bush", "wanted dead or alive", etc. Seems to me that CBC and these "progressives" are not practicing what they spew!
Posted by: Catherine at January 11, 2011 7:55 AMI've just sent this to the CBC:
On the 9:00 a.m. news this morning, in a discussion about toning down the political rhetoric in Washington, the CBC left out one of the most important aspects of this story. One of the people who uses the most pugnacious language—he’s from Chicago, after all—is none other than the President himself.
Here’s some information to help you provide the fair and balanced coverage you claim to provide to Canadians. All of these bellicose quotes were made by President Obama:
“They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
To his Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
On ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
To His Base: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
On the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.”
To voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
To lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
To Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
To Democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
I’ll be listening.
[I'm not holding my breath.]
Meanwhile, Obama is milking the situation heavily, trying to set up a scenario of Democrats-as-Victims....during the GOP congressional attempts to repeal the Health Care Act and reduce spending.
But Michelle Malkin's Blog has an incredible set of images of the left's vicious hate: against Palin, Bush, Tea Party, against those against illegals...etc.
http://michellemalkin.com/
Warning: the images the left provides are violent, graphic and very specific.
They are on T-shirts (Kill Bush), on posters (Bush: the only dope worth shooting; Palin: a natural born killer)...and lots of video and voice of hate-filled progressives, urging their followers to kill, rape and harm anyone who thinks differently from them.
Meanwhile..Obama is going down to Tucson to Be A Fellow-Victim. Ignoring that he refuses to secure the border, that he accused Arizona of racism for their attempts to deal with illegals...and that he's trying for 'amnesty' for the illegals. So that they can Vote For Obama.
But heck, never let a crisis go to waste, and it's all about Votes For Obama anyway. Not about America.
Posted by: ET at January 11, 2011 9:45 AMNeil MacDonald is a scurrilous disgrace to Canada and therefore fits perfectly in the CBC family of skanky, useless, pond scum level journalists.
His cheap, bigoted, racist agenda is as obvious as bad fart in a phone booth.
Absolutely, utterly useless waste of $1.5 billion taxpayer dollars that could be much better used supporting our military.
Posted by: Fred at January 11, 2011 10:01 AMI miss the good old days when we would just blame heavy metal and video games for the random acts of nutjobs. Same sh!t dfferent day
Posted by: Expert Tom at January 11, 2011 10:10 AM'The -only- thing for Conservatives to do is face them down. Now is the hour.'
Bingo!
Our time is now, the grass has been cut and the snakes have nowhere to hide.
I was watching MSNBC, then Colbert yesterday and in my view the Left is in full retreat. The tactic is to make everything relative; you know, everybody does it. They are now pleading with everyone not to point fingers as this was obviously done by a loon.
I first caught wind of this while watching the ESPN's NFL pregame show. My wife and I quickly switched to FOXNews for coverage, and were mortified by the event. At that time, I told her that by the time the first game has concluded the media coverage WILL turn from criminal to political. My wife asked "how do you know this?" and I explained to her that because Giffords was a Democrat the MSM and the Left will most definitely attempt to spin this as damning evidence against conservatives.
For once here I have impressed my wife, as she is dumbfounded how I could so accurately predict this. I guess my point is this, almost immediately, the first bit of information I instinctively absorbed was the fact that Giffords was a Democrat. Shortly after that a sick feeling overcame me as it was obvious to me where this was going, and what we'd be talking about on Monday.
Personally, I'm partly ashamed that I could be so cold and calculating considering the nature of the tragedy, but unfortunately I/you've been conditioned for this very type of situation. This is why those like M.Malkin and others so readily have their cases made; or their weapons loaded, so to speak. So yes, sometimes I am galled by my own cynicism; but, in my mind, it is simply self preservation. Politically speaking that is.
Posted by: Spindiana Homez at January 11, 2011 10:29 AMReturn of the Fairness Doctrine in 3..2..1...
Posted by: syncrodox at January 11, 2011 10:39 AMHow much more evidence do Conservatives need before they judge MSM to be an arm of the progressive left? For the past three days I've watched in horror as MSM made up lies and blamed the right for the actions of one single unhinged youth that was known to the police. Did they blame the police who had investigated him for death threats previously? No they blamed Palin and the Tea Party. Did they blame the killer no they blamed Conservatives and the Tea Party and Palin. Can we boycotte MSM in the west now before they round us up and rid their violent nasty selves of your presense. The hatred from the left has been around for two decades but now they have the power of MSM to spread their lies and to ensure when they get violent and they often do that the Media blackouts their violent deeds and words.
I've had enough of the abuse from the Progressive Leftards, hopefully the despicable actions of MSM will empower the Tea Party to grow larger and more powerful.
Posted by: Rose at January 11, 2011 10:43 AMAnd right on schedule...
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/jan/10/clyburn-words-can-be-danger/
Posted by: syncrodox at January 11, 2011 10:48 AMThe Glove and Pail, John Doyle... IT'S ALL FOX'S FAULT! :) Yes, John, never waste an opportunity to slag anything remotely conservative.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/john-doyle/fox-news-and-the-poisoning-of-american-political-debate/article1864663/
Posted by: Mark at January 11, 2011 11:05 AMSorry, Kate. Didn't see Stan's comment.
Posted by: Mark at January 11, 2011 11:32 AMFurthermore to my comment above regarding the MSM being in 'full retreat' mode, I'd like to suggest that the entire gambit is deliberate. It's my view that the Left engages in a 'stick and move' type of strategy. What I'm saying is that the Left expects to retreat, it's part of the plan. They inflict as much damage as they can to the Right, which is to say they throw the base a bone. Once the diva's on the Left are satisfied, they then retreat and wait for the next opportunity to strike. This is a very good strategy because they've convinced most people that (as I said above) 'everyone does it'. So there you have it, the tactic isn't to improve what they (the MSM) are doing, but instead to demonstrate how the other guys are no better. And it works like a charm!JMO
Posted by: Spindiana Homez at January 11, 2011 11:35 AMCan't you people see what's happening?
Palin didn't just ditch the Alaska governor's job so she could write a book, star in a TV series, and undertake a hectic series of public events. She actually used the time to study Jedi mind control.
Tucson was just a test run. She'd controlled the mind of Loughner for months, causing him to post his babble, and then she actually forced him to do the shooting. She was standing right next to him, urging him on, but then she waved her hand to the crowd, a la Alec Guiness, and said "I'm not the Tea Partier you're looking for."
Oh, ya. Sarah did it. You betcha.
Posted by: KevinB at January 11, 2011 12:31 PMRobert W. (Vancouver) at 12:59 AM: "Dan, you will eventually get a response from the CBC ombudsman or some apparatchik at Da Corporation. Please do copy & paste it here.
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Don't bet on it. I've sent messages to Grandmother's Corpse but I've never had a reply, other than an automated one that indicates they have received my message.
That being said, I think all messages sent to the corpse should be CC'd to your MP and the PM.
"I'm not the Tea Partier you're looking for."
lololol
thanks KB, too bad CJ Spiller wasn't a Jedi eh? "I'm not the RB you are looking for!"
Posted by: Spindiana Homez at January 11, 2011 1:08 PMI've actually had lots of responses from the CBC Ombudsman or one of his Orcs.
The gobbledygook could have been written by either the Red Queen—“Words mean whatever I say they mean”—or Jared Loughner—“Words have no meaning”. Either of these statements would be a fine motto for the CBC.
The CBC is a(n) (out)law unto itself: a total blight on the public square and body politic of this country.
I long ago stopped watching CBC TV—I gave it up for Lent one year and enjoyed the peace and quiet in my soul—and so, unless exposed to, and enraged by the CBC, via a YouTube link, I’ve had far less to do with the Ombudstoady in the last while.
I have no idea how other folks here can BEAR to watch the Neil Macdonalds of this world. I’d be dead of a stress related disease if I subjected myself to such torture!
KevinB, Spindy(?): OT this, but if you could use a break from the tension, and you are a big Star Wars geek, and you have roughly half as much time (no exaggeration) to waste on watching funny reviews of the "first" (i.e. last) 3 movies as you actually did watching them***, then I have the website for you: Mr. Plinkett reviews Star Wars! It's epic.
http://www.redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html
***I could, but I'm not and I don't, really; even so I can tell you from what I've seen it's pretty darn entertaining.
Posted by: Black Mamba at January 11, 2011 3:14 PMI fancy myself a journalist now mamba
btw, u r the 1 who's inspired me to monkey with my moniker
"Gave you a chance to forget how you supported the most hated president in history"
Oh, we never forget how hottly hated 'W' was.
In fact, we're busy trotting out and putting on display how much hatred the Left spewed against 'W'.
It's getting a lot of attention and people are looking at it closely and pondering the meaning of it.
Have a nice day.
jau=y forbes - a waste of life, and bandwidth, really, but have you seen this?:
They weren't even "targets", idiot. Tim Blair, Greatest Living Australian: Mate, those aren't crosshairs; these are crosshairs.
And that ain't a knife.
Posted by: Black Mamba at January 11, 2011 5:23 PMGreat commentary about Arizona murders from Bill O'Reilly over at Ezra's blog:
http://ezralevant.com/
Posted by: batb at January 11, 2011 6:59 PMjay forbes, why come here to make a fool of yourself? Get your facts straight.
The Palin map DID NOT “post[s] a picture featuring her [Gifford’s] name beside a picture of crosshairs”. This statement of yours is FALSE.
It’s really easy to find the map, jay. Why not check it out?
Above the map of the USA are the words, “20 House Democrats from districts we carried in 2008 voted for the health care bill . . . IT’S TIME TO TAKE A STAND [in the next ELECTION].”
(It doesn’t say “time to take a shot”, does it?)
Then, there’s the map: there are crop marks on the DISTRICTS in question.
Then, underneath the map, there’s a CHART with the NAMES of the 20 politicians to beat—at the ballot box—and their district.
Below the map are the words: “Let’s take back the 20 together! JOIN ME TODAY.”
THERE ARE NO CROP MARKS ANYWHERE NEAR THE NAMES OF THE DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
(By your bogus reasoning, jay, I guess the other 19 politicians mentioned on Sarah Palin’s map are now under police guard. Is that what’s happening?)
Then, jay, there’s the 2004 Democratic Leadership Council map, with PROMINENT, VERY COLOURFUL TARGETS on it. Who’s being targeted? Republicans. Did you know that? And, by your rules, jay, it gets worse—yes it does!
The title of the DEMOCRATIC map is: “BEHIND ENEMY LINES”!
Then, below the Democratic map, white words on black, are the ominous—by your standards, jay— words: “President Bush won nine states by single-digit margins. Those states should be RIPE TARGETS for Democrats. [emphasis mine] They [the districts] are . . .” and then all the states are named.
jay, the names of all the Republicans in those districts were in the public domain—and were probably known to their constituents. Yikes!
So, jay, what do you think of the fine model of an election map, WITH TARGETS, PROVIDED BY THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP, in 2004, long before Sarah Palin was even a twinkle in McCain’s eye?
And then there’s Obama’s “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun . . .” How about that?
jay, "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
Posted by: lookout at January 11, 2011 8:08 PMMaybe the troll should go back to the creepy crawly left websites where they believe each others lies.
Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 11, 2011 8:15 PMThe "jay forbes" types represent the worst in our society. They lie and manuplate with falsehoods to create anarchy and rife within communities throughout the western world.
Sad, very sad individuals.
Posted by: Knight 99 at January 11, 2011 10:03 PMApparently, the spilling of the blood of innocents is a cause for some people to celebrate.
Posted by: tower at January 11, 2011 10:38 PMYou said it tower. And now we have their -names-.
Posted by: The Phantom at January 11, 2011 10:47 PM"If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun..." - Barack Obama
That frail pencilneck has never been in a fight in his life.
How anyone could follow someone they could benchpress is beyond me.
Posted by: Ken Wright at January 11, 2011 11:44 PMAndrew Cohen of the Citizen isn't much better:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Column+Tucson+shootings+America+latest+hell+moment/4084312/story.html
Posted by: jcl at January 12, 2011 9:40 AMDanBC - Good job on the letter to the Ombudsman. I hope you get a response. I thought it was well written and to the point.
Posted by: No-One at January 12, 2011 7:22 PMjay forbes>
"a common demand of Tea Party activists,"
He also smoked pot and favored Marx, a common demand of the left.
You are indeed a fool jay forbes - enjoy your fantasy game, set, and match.
Posted by: Knight 99 at January 12, 2011 10:58 PMTalking of a cheap political advantage while watching the almost erie cheering at the presidents address, I noted CBC. There was Wendy Mesley and Peter Mansbridge. There followed the statement of the superiority of Canadian culture to Americans. The last political assassination was of Darcy McGee it was stated. This over 150 years ago. No mention of poor Laporte, murdered by the FLQ.
Yes, I do not deny there is a milder political climate in Canada. I thought, however, that surely this is not the time to lord it our neighbours. This was dragged out by Mesley and Mansbridge seemed pleased. McDonald had his usual say of course.
I thought of Marc Lepine and the murder of 14 woman in Montreal 1989. The four young lives gone of RCMP officers by that crazed man out west. Not very long ago. Then I thought of the fat cats now free in BC. 329 innocent souls murdered in the Air India debacle.
Again, surely not the time for the CBC gloat about how much better here than in America.
Posted by: Peter (Lock City) at January 12, 2011 11:02 PM