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January 9, 2011

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The lights are going out in Denmark.


Last month, Danish MP Jesper Langballe was convicted of "hate speech" -- "racial discrimination," for having highlighted the pattern of "honor killings" in Muslim families. (Here is his "confession.") Now in the crosshairs is my very dear friend and colleague, Lars Hedegaard, President of the Danish Free Press Society and the International Free Press Society. (A historian as well as a journalist and author, Lars took me on a special tour of Copenhagen, which I wrote about here.) On January 24 he goes on trial. His crime? Discussing the high incidence of family rape within Islamic cultures, which the prosecutor is attempting to outlaw as "racism."

In fact, the Danish prosecutor is attempting to enforce Islamic "blasphemy" laws, which outlaw all criticism of Islam.

Posted by Kate at January 9, 2011 3:01 PM
Comments

Is there no "Law Society" in Denmark? This prosecutor needs to be called up on the carpet and disciplined or disbarred.

Posted by: Rick at January 9, 2011 5:28 PM

Taking a stand on truth suddenly seems futile when one's accusers have no regard for truth.

Posted by: WalterF at January 9, 2011 5:37 PM

There's an easy fix.
All the other religions need to adopt the same criticism laws.
There won't be a mullah or iman standing by the end of the week.

Posted by: latitude at January 9, 2011 5:44 PM

This is very disturbing -thanks for the update Kate.

Posted by: John Murney at January 9, 2011 5:48 PM

Well it does give us a glimpse into how Hitler rose to absolute power, if you can't speak of Islamic supremacism and all that it entails without imprisonment it shall be easyier for the Leftwing supremacists to join with the Islamofacists.

Posted by: Rose at January 9, 2011 5:58 PM

Something's rotten in the State of....

Screw it. Nuke Europe.

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 9, 2011 6:00 PM

Just pass blanket laws banning ALL free expression and get it over with.
Cowards.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at January 9, 2011 6:20 PM

As in Europe, so follows Canada.

Our problem is not the inbreeds that want to move, live in and eventually control Canada. Our problem is the mentally ill Canadian left that allow, even encourage this to happen.

Posted by: Knight 99 at January 9, 2011 6:21 PM

Denmark is getting what it deserves. If you feed the crocodile ....

This must not, can not, will not happen here.

Posted by: Abe Froman at January 9, 2011 6:26 PM

And Britain. Just in case someone doesn't consider it "Europe". For the love of all that's decent don't forget to nuke Britain.

(I haven't actually read The Mail today, or ever if I can help it, but you know they have it coming: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html )

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 9, 2011 6:32 PM

All of the above. We are witnessing the slow death of western liberal society and are going into a new dark age.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 9, 2011 6:40 PM

This Denmark law is absolutely crazy!!!
I can understand someone could be convicted for being "threatened" or "denigrated" (although interpretation of the second word could be quite broad) but "offended"?
***
As someone proposed, Christians and Jews in Denmark should do the same. Be offended and take their offense to the courts.

Posted by: ella at January 9, 2011 6:49 PM

ups. Sorry.
I did not express myself clearly. I meant someone could be convicted if he/she threatened or denigrated someone else.

Posted by: ella at January 9, 2011 6:56 PM

In less than 40 years whites will be a minority in Europe but the entertainment is already underway.

Posted by: peterj at January 9, 2011 6:56 PM

Next time the Wehrmacht decides to march west and conquer the rest of Europe, we should not bother sending our troops over to defend these morons from the evil Jerries.

Denmark, England, France . . . they are simply not worth any Canadian blood or treasure any more.

Posted by: Fred at January 9, 2011 7:02 PM

This prosecutor needs to be called up on the carpet and disciplined or disbarred.
~Rick

The Anglosphere uses the Adversarial system of jurisprudence while Europe uses the Inquisitorial system of jurisprudence.

Under the Inquisitorial system, the prosecutor is the judge and the judge is the prosecutor.(there are usually 3 of them presiding over one court, each one is judge and prosecutor)

You really don't want to be tried in a European court.

Posted by: Oz at January 9, 2011 7:04 PM

Thank God. Whoops, is it okay to say that? In any case and how very unfortunate but it is somewhat reassuring to know that not all of the PC nut jobs and laws/rules are in our country.

Posted by: wafer at January 9, 2011 7:11 PM

My email:


Democracy is characterized by the free flow of ideas and information. In a democratic society, we debate the options and then bind citizens to the decision of the majority. We place restrictions on the outcomes that can be imposed on the minority by the majority, of course, because without that we would merely be a mob. But we still, collectively, as a society, make a decision as to what is the best course of action for the benefit of our people.

And because society collectively makes decisions as to the path to pursue and then imposes those decisions on the dissenters, every dissenter must have the right to argue for their position in whatever manner they choose. If one wishes to outlaw a certain social behaviour of mine, I must have the right to protest vehemently and in whatever manner I choose, so long as that manner does not harm others. Not just harm their sensibilities or feelings mind you; if it was merely sensibilities or feelings we were arguing about no one would have the right to impose anything on me, for my sensibilities and feelings are constantly harmed by the ridiculous rules being placed on me: send your child to daycare where we will teach them not to be competitive, register your rifle so that criminals can potentially access a database of civilian weapons, and contribute your earnings to a pool for queue jumping illegal immigrants so that they can live here on welfare. If offending my sensibilities and feelings was the test for whether or not one could take a certain action, the vast majority of rules and regulations in society today would not stand. Those rules and regulations harm much more than merely my sensibilities and feelings, and yet society has chosen to impose those regulations on me, despite my vehement protest.

And so we must disregard the concept of harm as merely offending someone's sensibilities or feelings when dealing with free speech. I must say, I am certainly offended by a number of statements made by people across the globe on a day to day basis which I believe to be discriminatory someone like myself, but I would certainly never argue that those who make these statements should be charged with some crime for causing this offense.

When we allow argument, then, about the right course of action for society, every argument must be available to every participant. If you are going to allow members of society to behave in a certain way that has an impact on me, I must be able to make every possible argument for or against restricting their actions. If society is going to restrict my behaviours in ways I disagree with, I must be able to make every argument against those restrictions, from the rational to the absurd.

Any sensible person must come to two conclusions on free speech within a democratic society: first, if you are going to impose strict rules and regulations on dissenters then you must allow them to dissent however they see fit so long as it does not harm the remainder of society; second, the condition of "do not harm" must not extend to people's feelings and sensibilities, otherwise society would be a static morass without the potential for change, because everything offends someone in some way.

Thank you,

Posted by: VancouverGuy at January 9, 2011 7:18 PM

How come the left never venture into this kind of discussion, to busy celibrating censorship and the rise of Islamofacism perhaps?

Posted by: Rose at January 9, 2011 7:29 PM

My friends, what we are witnessing is the last desperate gasp of the Leftists. They are no longer working under the table, in the back room, beneath the roses, etc. They are right out in the open, ramming their policies down everyone's throat as hard and fast as they can.

This is because they are -losing-. When you convict a guy of hate speech for talking about heavily publicized murders which everyone in the country knows about, in a scrambling, last ditch effort to get him and his friends to SHUT UP!!!, and he then walks around with it pinned to his coat like a freakin' medal, you are not winning.

This will sort itself out in the next three or four elections. Or, there will be a bloody revolution and the Lefties will all be strung up from lamp posts. Both situations are quite common in European history.

Posted by: The Phantom at January 9, 2011 7:40 PM

When a plane crashes in Iran, guess whose fault it is?

The CBC:

"U.S. sanctions prevent Iran from updating its 30-year-old American aircraft and make it difficult to get European spare parts or planes as well."


http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/09/iran-plane-crash.html

Posted by: Mike in Calgary at January 9, 2011 7:42 PM

"When a plane crashes in Iran, guess whose fault it is?"

My guess - European white, christian, hetrosexual, non vegitarian, conservative male who owns a gun?

Posted by: Knight 99 at January 9, 2011 8:05 PM

And when a plane crashes in the US, it's somehow Afghanistan's fault. Go figure!

Posted by: Alex at January 9, 2011 8:28 PM

Excellent, Vancouver Guy.

That which we *value* we will protect, and that includes our Canadian way of life...and our freedoms. We as conservatives need to speak up.

Posted by: chutzpahticular at January 9, 2011 8:41 PM

“And when a plane crashes in the US, it's somehow Afghanistan's fault. Go figure!”

Of course only a lunatic lefty couldn’t distinguish the difference between planes failing due to faulty parts verses one manually steered into a building.

But we should ask Barry Soetoro, he is after all the one sending the predator drones into Pakistan and flattening entire city blocks looking for those Afghani insurgents. “Barry, is there a difference between faulty parts in a plane causing death, a plane driven into a structure with the intent to kill, or a robotic plane launching missiles at civilian neighborhoods?”

Posted by: Knight 99 at January 9, 2011 8:48 PM

Alex, we know that you blame Bush.

Posted by: WalterF at January 9, 2011 8:57 PM

"And when a plane crashes in the US, it's somehow Afghanistan's fault. Go figure!

Please don't forget to mention, "Fire doesn't melt steel". That's an important thought to express, too, as you're going for the intellectual approach.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Posted by: mhb at January 9, 2011 9:19 PM

What Black Mamba and Ken Kulak said.

Phantom: “ ... we are witnessing ... the last desperate gasp of the Leftists ... because they are losing ...” Yes, the beast has been speared through the heart and it's madly lashing its tail about, trying to take as many out as it can.

This decision in Denmark is sheer madness. No more Havarti for me. I guess there's absolutely no future there for political cartoons.

Posted by: batb at January 9, 2011 9:32 PM

Alex, when you try to be clever, you should at the very least be ...you know...clever..

Posted by: Kursk at January 9, 2011 9:33 PM

Kursk - he tries.

Posted by: Black Mamba at January 9, 2011 9:43 PM

When a plane crashes in Iran ...

Does anyone care?

Not really.

So whose fault it is, is irrelevant.

Posted by: Abe Froman at January 9, 2011 10:00 PM

That's a funny way of saying "keep up the good work", Kursk, but thanks!

Posted by: Alex at January 9, 2011 10:02 PM

Knight 99 said,

Our problem is not the inbreeds that want to move, live in and eventually control Canada. Our problem is the mentally ill Canadian left that allow, even encourage this to happen.

You are 100% right, the left is the enabler of this insanity...

And those who think it is a European problem, just wait a few years, these insane things will happen here and in the USA.

Unless...unless something big happen but what?

Who will stop the left ?

The left is the cancer of Western Civilization and it will not be stopped easely if it can be stopped at all.

Canada is next just you wait.

I'm 51 years old now and if I live to be 80 or 90 then Canda then will be unrecognizable to me, some regions of Canada will live under Sharia law.

Some regions of the USA will be under the control of Illegals and / or Mexico gangs.

This will happen unless someone can figure out how to stop the left, but I do not see any light at the end of the tunnel.

Ponder on this,

Obama sued Arizona instead of protecting it from Illegals.

That is one example of leftist insanity out of thousands and thousands.

The left is the cancer of Western Civilization and I do not see what or who will stop it.

The left is the establishement now, it is in everything; academia, entertainement, medias and so on and so forth.

Like a house that has all its walls eaten by termites, the left is eating away at Western Civilization.

Everything that is bad for Western Civilization is encouraged, supported and financed by the left.

The man made global warming myth was created to hurt financially Western nations, not to save the planet.

Multiculturalism - another creation of the left - is only shoved down the troaths of white westerners in white westerns nations,

almost everything the left does is detrimental to Western Civilization and to white people.

White people are now minorities in some large cities and this is a fast growing trend, ( think I'm making this up? just visit the United Nations site, you'll see I have not pulled this out of a magician's hat)


"Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide." -- James Burnham

"Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century... It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease."
Anthony Browne, Sunday September 3, 2000 The Guardian, UK

This "climate" we live in where whenever a white person dares speak is mind he is automatically called racist is another evil creation of the left.

It is now a sin to be a white person! HELL! if you are born white you are born guilty and born racist !

We have the left to thank for this mess.

Who will stop the left?

WHO???

WHAT???

Posted by: Friend of USA at January 9, 2011 10:29 PM

Ever notice that sometimes an "Axle" mistakenly thinks that it's a big wheel?

Posted by: JohnPeg at January 9, 2011 10:53 PM

"That which we *value* we will protect, and that includes our Canadian way of life...and our freedoms. We as conservatives need to speak up".
Posted by: chutzpahticular at January 9, 2011 8:41 PM

Too late. Have you tried riding a bike without a helmet/ driving without a seatbelt/ not hiring a minority person or turning a potential renter away because of their race/religion/sexual persuasion/ tried to open a "smoking only" restaurant/buy a set of pointed lawn darts/ say something that upsets the HRC/ question why there is no Dept. for the status of men/ buy raw milk from a farmer/ sell your own wheat without going through the CWB/ buy a long gun without the paperwork/ posting a picture of Mohamid/ stating publicly that the pride parade should be called the freak parade (oops...HRC again)/barbequing on your own apt.balcony/ idle a car to warm it up even when its 30 below/ and on and on and on. The Canada we knew died 40 years ago before activists learned they knew what was best for everyone else and politicians still had balls. Now the tails all wag the dog and everyone is minding everyone elses business. We will obey....we are Canadian.

Posted by: peterj at January 9, 2011 10:54 PM

Friend of USA,

I believe that what you will see is that at some point those in the majority will realize the costs that they are bearing for the minority. And I do not mean MINORITIES, I mean all the many different minority groups that leech off of the government, from public sector unions, to seasonal workers who are paid by EI, to immigrants who bring 10 members of their family to the country who will not work, to illegal immigrants who queue jump and leech off of our system.

Take Ireland for example. They are now bearing the economic cost of the EU forcing a bailout of their banks senior creditors so that OTHER EU BANKS can be saved the expense. And all this at the expense of the Irish taxpayer. If I was a young person living in Ireland with a good education and some skills I would leave. The mobility of human capital in Europe now means that there is no reason for the Irish youth to stay and pay for the mistakes of their parents.

At some point, people will stand up and realize that the bloating of government is never in the interest of the majority.

How will they be convinced? I'm not sure. I wish there were thousands of people as eloquent as Governor Christie who could criss-cross the world and convince people, but as of yet these people have not appeared. At some point, even without charismatic conservatives (and when I say conservatives I mean true fiscal conservatives) to convince them, people will wake up and take notice.

I am not sure what to do until that point comes. I hope it comes soon.

Posted by: VancouverGuy at January 9, 2011 11:00 PM

Friend of USA >

Right on Friend of USA, I couldn’t agree more.

The only disagreement I would have is that I think you are too generous with your timeline. Events as you stated them will transpire exponentially in time. This is what will occur with the national debts that can’t be repaid, along with the birthrates of “legal” and illegal immigrants. Remember that our systems are not designed to promote entrepreneurship for immigrants anymore. It’s about voting blocks and welfare dependence to keep societies in check.

Show me a government in the western world that you can call a friend of its citizens anymore. They do everything to degrade their middle classes into poor working classes while elevating themselves personally and professionally.

With this in mind, understand that filling countries with unskilled third world labor is neither humanitarian or by chance. The Liberal left citizens of western countries are the useful idiots to these masters of government and big business that do not have any citizen’s interests in mind.

The citizen left socialist ideologies/ dreams are the magic tools used to corrupt and abuse free societies with, by these power hungry proffesionals.

Posted by: Knight 99 at January 9, 2011 11:09 PM

Well said peterj - when a country has 4 silly servants for every living producer (free range worker/taxpayer) the precious ones are bored and they justify their paychecks by dreaming up 'laws' for the rest of us. The silly servant paycheck is a lot higher than most of ours so they have more influence. We need to cut the pork at the top in this country, IMO.

Posted by: Jema 54 at January 9, 2011 11:32 PM

Planes did not "crash" on 9-11, they were used as military weapons in an attack on the United States and therefore, the response of the United States to this attack was justified -- the attackers were directed by powerful individuals located in Afghanistan operating with the consent of the Afghan government of that time.

Hope that helps, Alex, in your search for meaning.

At least you've come to the right place, even if you have the wrong messages.

Do you seriously think your hero, Obama, would just sit back and do nothing if let's say for the sake of argument, the same thing happened again, and now Osama bin Laden was strutting around in Yemen? Or is it only wrong if a conservative does it? What should we have done after 9-11? Sent interpol after bin Laden? Cut off diplomatic relationships with the Taliban? Nationalized a bank?

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at January 9, 2011 11:57 PM

peterj, I know whereof you speak; I contested my seatbelt ticket in court. Even here in the hinterlands, cats can't wander unleashed. The CBC drones on and on in subliminal indoctrination mode. Don't worry, be happy.

Posted by: chutzpahticular at January 10, 2011 1:24 AM

Ever seen cattle herded into slaughter pens with only one way out. The Pneumatic hammer to the head.
This is now Denmark. Like the Cows they will be disturbed at the smell of blood, but follow each other anyway into the night to be killed, than their entire body cut up for processing. This is what Islamist do to Civilizations. Think about it. Are these actions by so called Democracies in line with freedom, or Fascism. Would the Nazis , soviets or Communist Chinese do any different?
I think we all know the answer. It just hasn't reached the death level yet. Give it time.
JMO

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 10, 2011 2:29 AM

Australian Goverment says NO to Muslims -

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7794174-australian-goverment-says-no-to-muslims

Posted by: Knight 99 at January 10, 2011 3:57 AM

Well said VancouverGuy, thanks. Kate your title is spot on: The lights are going out in Denmark.

Posted by: Orlin at January 10, 2011 11:18 AM

It's hard to say which is more repulsive. The inherent misogyny of radical Islam or the Gestapo tactics the PC state uses to deny realities.

Posted by: Occam at January 10, 2011 12:40 PM

// Discussing the high incidence of family rape within Islamic cultures //
Let us juxtapose --
// Former home secretary Jack Straw has said some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex abuse. [...] He said there was a "specific problem" in some areas where Pakistani men "target vulnerable white girls". //

Not like the good old days --
// The brother of the Home Secretary, Jack Straw, was convicted yesterday of indecently assaulting a friend's 16-year-old daughter //

An observer comments that
// My problem is that this sort of claim bundles up trivially true statements with contentious ones. It’s trivially true that sex crimes, however rare, are a problem. And it’s trivially true that some Pakistani men are sex criminals, just as some whites are.

The question is: why bring ethnicity into it? Are men of Pakistani heritage more likely to commit sex crime than others?
There is a reasonable motive for asking this question. Maybe Islam’s different attitudes towards sexuality and women create a different predisposition among Pakistani men towards sex crimes. This is a reasonable hypothesis, to be tested against the facts.
But there’s also an unreasonable motive - the outgroup homogeneity bias generates an unreasonable double standard: if a white man commits a rape, he’s just a rapist but if a Pakistani does so, he’s a Pakistani rapist. You wouldn’t ask the “white community” to look into itself if a white guy commits a sex crime, so why ask the “Pakistani community” to do so if a Pakistani does so?
And herein lies my irritation. Straw gives us no statistics to justify his claim.
Those that do exist seem to undermine his claim. // ETC

Posted by: dizzy at January 10, 2011 1:04 PM

What has happened to the Danes? Weren't they the people who, while under German occupation in the Second World War, all donned yellow Stars of David to protest Nazi persecution of Jews? Now they are using their legal system to do dirty work for the hairy-faced zealots of the Death Cult called Islam? Where has that Danish courage gone?

Posted by: JMD at January 10, 2011 2:49 PM

Dizzy

How Pakistani people describe themselves when they are living in Canada?
They do not describe themselves first and foremost as "Canadians". Many, (IMO a majority of them) call themselves "Muslims" first, then "Pakistanis"/"Canadians of Pakistani origin" and then, some of them, mention "I am Canadian."
And that's why when Pakistani person commits rape in Canada or in the West he is called a rapist and (more exactly) a Pakistani rapist.

Similarly, when in Emirates Englishman was accused of crimes against morality (he was kissing a lady) they called him "English criminal" and not "a criminal." He was first and foremost English.

And that is the reason "why people bring ethnicity to it".

IMHO, when Pakistanis living in the West will first call themselves Canadians/or Britons/or French; when Pakistanis describing themselves will not mention their ethnicity or religion first, it will be the time when their ethnicity will not be mentioned when they will commit a crime.

Posted by: ella at January 10, 2011 11:51 PM

//Similarly, when in Emirates Englishman was accused of crimes against morality (he was kissing a lady) they called him "English criminal" and not "a criminal." He was first and foremost English. //

To the bigoted officials of the Emirates, you mean.
What a standard to live down to.

Posted by: dizzy at January 11, 2011 4:21 AM
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