Damian Penny, a lawyer here in the Halifax area just had the quote of the day on this,

"When the last Che Guevara T-shirt has been thrown out, *then* the left can start lecturing us about violent political imagery."

The left's pathological hatred of the Tea Party movement stems from their knowledge that they'll never contol those people. The progressive/regressive left were so close to abosolute power in the US via Obama and the Tea Party movement snatched their power away. Those Tea Partiers will continue to fight the socialists loons day after day the progressives can't defeat them so they demonize them using Liberal Media to do their dirty work.

A really excellent comment by batb.

The left is openly declaring that questions, debate and dissent from their agenda is not permitted. They've made this declaration via their opposition to the Tea Party, Town Halls, their derision and hostility to any who argue against their radical socialism (Fox, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh etc). All of the dissenters are promoting debate, dissent - and - non-violence.

Show us where any of them promote violence...whereas, we there is a constant litany of support for violence - and examplse - among the left.

We've seen this stance against dissent over and over in totalitarian societies, whether in the Third Reich, the Soviet Union or now, in the Islamic world. Is this rejection of dissent really going to be promoted within the USA?

And that's a great comment by Glenn Reynolds.

Remember Obama's insistence that the so-called Stimulus (which was in reality a pork-payback for Democrats and public unions) be passed without reading or debate - simply on 'trust in Obama'. Same with the so-called Health Care which in reality is a Statist Act.

If you dissent, you are 'unAmerican' and, as Obama declared, an 'enemy'.

uhm, both?

The difference in the media's level of interest in this case vs that of the Fort Hood killings in which Major Nidal Malik Hasan murdered 13 is astounding but not surprising given their prejudices.

So, according to Reynolds would that SDA thread with 179 comments (last time I checked) be contemptible?

Unless, I'm mis-reading Reynolds, isn't any comment at all, even those obsequious ones offering condolences to total strangers, contemptible.

Isn't Jonah Goldberg's comment (cited by Robert W) to the effect that he's not commenting be in fact a comment to the effect that he's purer and nobler than most.

As you can see, the pretty rhetoric doesn't survive even the most cursory scrutiny.

There’s a shooting in Tucson. Several people are wounded; some are killed. Among the wounded is a congresswoman. She, understandably, becomes the main story; at least in the eyes of other public figures---the political class, including their enablers in the MSN.

But focussing on the congresswoman is only one step towards an objective. The political class seizes the opportunity to claim for themselves the mantle of the real victims. And they claim the real perps are … wait for it … those who speak intemperately about politics in general, and about their political adversaries in particular. Their remedy? Stop using “socialist” as an accusation! (I am not making this up.) Stop mentioning Hitler; stop accusing others of fascism.

So, let’s summarize: we have a class of people---the political class, which includes a large portion of the commentariat---who have earned our disrespect, even out contempt, for the destruction they have brought to our political institutions, and thereby to our very lives. When we, the people harmed by the actions of our rulers, respond with criticism---imagine, if you can, the insolence!---the political class, almost in unison, blames our criticism, our opposition to them, for the violence---for Oklahoma, for Times Square, and now for Tucson. That’s the hymn they’re all singing on the Sunday morning talk shows. Any suggestion, even, that the vitriol in our criticism may be justified, is not to be even considered. And their solution: Let’s all be more polite, more respectful, more measured in our criticism of those who lie, cheat and steal for a living. Translation: You little people have to learn to shut up and like it.

First of all anyone who thinks that the political rhetoric on either side is the cause of this insane person killing people should be in the same asylum as the shooter.

That being said the vast majority of political violence is perpetrated by leftists. Simple logic should tell you why. You don't conserve by destroying. You don't progress by passively sitting by.

Darn fat fingers. "both" is the answer to the question "so which is it?"

They're not just liars, they are contemptible, vicious liars, and we as a culture need to stop pandering to their insane demands.

The Tea Party literally could not be less violent if it was composed of little girls in princess dresses and elderly nuns with walkers. Everybody knows this.

Unless, I'm mis-reading Reynolds, isn't any comment at all, even those obsequious ones offering condolences to total strangers, contemptible.

You should have stopped at "unless".

MeNo @ 11:17:
You have started at the end, with "the most cursory scrutiny". Then stopped.

Dragging the Tea Party into this act of madness shows how low the Leftists will go into the gutter of desperate politics. Their viciousness is palpable.

Sorry: "You _should_ have ..."

Where will this left right cold war end?

It's beginning to look more and more like the original Star Trek episode where two men (the same man, one from each side of a parallel universe) are locked in eternal mortal combat at the gateway that was accidentally opened up between them.

Both men are named Lazarus, they coexist, but ... One of them cannot stand the fact that there is another 'him' with a different point of view and values, so he wants to kill his other self, but if he succeeds, he will destroy both universes ... but he doesn't care, he is blind with hate and rage .. just like our present day leftists.

The other Lazarus, has taken the cause to fight off the evil Lazarus forever so the rest of us can continue to exist.

The episode name is "What of Lazarus"

I consider Rush L, Mark S, Bill O, Glenn B, Hannity, Sarah P, ... and our own Kate M, as our Lazarus, but where will it all end?

It's the crescendo at the end of the Beatle song "Day in the Life" Waiting for the pause, then the big hammer-down piano chord to end the tune.

Those were your pop-culture references for today.

It's a good thing we have the CBC here in this country who will present the story to us in a neutral fashion with a strong emphasis on remaining objective. (maximum sarcasm on!)

From the increasingly despicable P. Krugman:

…for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target …

Now that is puzzling, isn’t it, ‘cause everyone knows violence can only come from Republicans, right?

Maybe it's just me - but I see nothing wrong with taking up arms against people that have run your country into the ground, spent your grandchildren into pennury, and plan on taxing you to death.

I'm sorry, but you leftie morons are a clear and present danger to the nation, and if Darwin takes you out with a bus, or a fall UP the stairs - or guns you down because you are too dumb to take precautions with security - adios! Anything that gets you idiots away from the levers of power is a good thing.

Which is one of the main reasons I hold nothing but contempt for the minions of the "progressive" left...........

File this under knowing one's enemies.

Well, Kate, believe it or not, I was painfully, excruciatingly aware of the contradiction ...

X-posted at Readers Tips:

Jonah Goldberg suggests he'd like a ban on punditry for at least 24 hours after a mass killing. He knows, of course, that this wouldn't be possible.

But I can fantasize too: I'd like to see NO news coverage of the murderer's background for clearly we are unwittingly consipiring in his sick quest for Ophrahellian Warholian Glory and nudging on the next TV-Tabloid-Facebook-Twitter hero.

Continuing my fantasy, I'd like to see "social" networks banned or, rather, as a libertarian, a-ban-doned by an enlightened people who've come to see the sickness of it.

batb: Forgot to say, great comment!

People like Van Jones call for violence in the streets. The MSM don't call him/them on it.
When something like this happens it adds fuel to the fire omn all sides, nothing good can come from it.
The guy obviously has a screw missing, now his actions will fester an already explosive situation.

The Chicago way...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4

How many people have been rushing to blame Sarah Palin?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/arizona-shooting-suspect-may-be-linked-to-anti-semitic-group/story-e6freuyi-1225984713213

An internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) memo quoted by FOX News Channel revealed the gunman – named by the media as Jared Loughner, 22 – is “possibly linked” to American Renaissance.

The group subscribes to an ideology that is “anti-government, anti-immigration, anti -ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti-Semitic,” according to the DHS memo.

Giffords “is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate,” the note said.

Whoops!

People who become so obsessed with an organization that they become murderers are not shy about revealing their motivations - Allahu Akbar , ELF Elves, The Weather Underground, IRA.

You'd think a dumb-as-a-post, overwhelmingly white Tea-bagger fanatic would also make his affiliation clear. (I am using the rational, non-partisan MSM description of the Tea Party, of course)

“Apparently the young man avidly read Marx and Hitler and burned the American flag. To my way of thinking, those are not the values of the Tea Party."
— Senator Lamar Alexander on CNN's State of Affairs this morning.

I believe the show will be re-running some time today.

Warren certainly got sucked in, as usual.
http://warrenkinsella.com/2011/01/picture-thousand-words/

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When you 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other."

Rule #13. From the Bible. Of the Left.

michale harkov - the group you refer to, itself says that it has no record whatsoever of Loughner.

Again, it is completely illogical to conclude that IF an individual, who may exhibit some signs of emotional and mental distress, carries out an act of violence, that this same individual's actions are caused by his admiration for any ideology - unless (a) that ideology is defined by violence (as is Islamic fascism) and (b) unless that same individual declared this causality to be the case (as was the case in Ft. Hood).

If I admire the Tea Party movement AND kill my next door neighbour, a Democrat, you cannot link the two as causal. After all, my reason for that violence might have been because he was poisoning my ten cats.

Obama quickly dispatched the FBI to get all over the Arizona shooting.
In stark contrast the FBI was said to be only 'advising' local law enforcement, that they had no jurisdiction, to investigate the recent mysterious death of John Wheeler.

Obama said nothing. Bush 41 and 43 said nothing. Katie Couric, et all said nothing.

Wheeler was an adviser to 3 Presidents, a top cyber security expert, founder of the Washington Vietnam Memorial and former President of MADD.

He was also investigating the SEC.

ET, I know what you are saying. The point I was trying to make was that there were other possibilites than simply "blaming Palin" and other nonsensical, kneejerk "blame righty" theories for this tragedy.

But, I take what to me looks like one of your points that, in short, is that this person is probably simply crazy.

BATB nails it !!

The so-called "tolerant" and "all-inclusive" latte-liberals have one tactic and one tactic only. Smear !!

According to them;

- If you stand up for democracy and freedoms from the chains of the Ruling Class - you are inciting violence.

- If you do not believe in climate alarmism - you hate mother earth, you are a denier.

- If you think Teachers should be paid on merit - you are not thinking of the kids.

The only Only ONLY reason the smears work, at least initially, is because of the media.

NOTE: I want to make something abundantly clear. When I sometimes refer to the "left", I am not! citing the working-class left. I am citing the Intellectuals, the latte left and most media save for a few brave Journalists.

Yesterday, I was wondering how long it would be before someone blamed Bush or Sarah. I wish she would invite Bambam to Alaska, and teach him a thing or two. God knows, he needs all the help he can get

Pure and simple: a critical mass of the left is comprised of intellectually challenged BULLIES. They’re now in charge, and have been for decades, of virtually all the institutions in the West, including the MSM. In the USA, leftie bullies have been in complete charge of the government for the past two years: the House, the Senate, and the Presidency—and, like the toddlers they are, they still blame their opposition for all and any problems.

Lefties always bring a gun to a knife fight: in fact, their repressiveness, which is increasing at an alarming rate, sets the stage for a permanent, very unpleasant fight. (And, in their wicked way of thinking, lefties would say the fight is all my fault because I dared to speak this inconvenient truth: to power too! Their hypocrisy is breathtaking.)

And, if one dares to say, even politely, “Excuse me, I disagree with you, and even think you’ve gone outside the rules of fair play”: BANG! You’re figuratively dead—and it’s your own darn fault for daring to push back: think Oliver asking for more, and Jane Eyre and Mr. Brocklehurst. How dare we minions even think of questioning our betters?

Two year olds are the most dangerous human beings on the planet: narcissistic, and in possession of violent tempers, no self-control, and no ability to reason. We’re relatively safe because of their small size.

But imagine all these attributes in the body of a physically grown up person. Those are the people of the left. They’re dangerous, and had better get used to the idea that their hypocrisy and dirty tricks are now fully exposed and they’re not going to continue to get away with bullying those of us who have some different ideas about how our society should be run.

May God have mercy on us all.

CBC's Kneel McDonald comments that 'people were encouraged to show up at these rally's with loaded weapons..some showed up with AR-15's and other automatic weapons'.......then,they get the most lunatic-leftwing ex-pol,Alan Grayson on to comment!

You know when a little kid goes missing anywhere in the USA and a thousand plus people turn up spontaneously for the search party? Happens every single time.

Those people who turn up for the search come equipped with binoculars, cameras, boots, dogs, 4x4 pickups, sometimes airplanes or even helicopters...

That's the Tea Party. Those same people finally got sick of the Dems and the Republicans failure to hold the Dems back, and they all showed up. That's who the MSM is calling a bunch of mindless redneck scum. That's who they are accusing of -causing- this shooting spree.

Going to be a very interesting year.

There was a 100% chance that Kinsella would put up a smear like that.

Why? Because he is simply just another troll. A troll in a suit.

Abe Froman said:

"Where will this left right cold war end?

It's beginning to look more and more like the original Star Trek episode where two men (the same man, one from each side of a parallel universe) are locked in eternal mortal combat at the gateway that was accidentally opened up between them.

Both men are named Lazarus, they coexist, but ... One of them cannot stand the fact that there is another 'him' with a different point of view and values, so he wants to kill his other self, but if he succeeds, he will destroy both universes ... but he doesn't care, he is blind with hate and rage .. just like our present day leftists."

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It's a re-run (cycle) of The Brothers: Joe vs Adolf. Left = Right = Left = Right >>>>>

"Even now, it is far easier to think of Stalin as an opponent of Hitler than as a partner. We like to tell ourselves that the virtuous side won the war, but what happened in the east confounds such notions."

"The crimes of Stalin and Hitler are sometimes studied apart; Snyder, consolidating and amplifying the work of Holocaust scholars such as Raul Hilberg and Saul Friedlander, and Robert Conquest, the pioneering historian of the Stalin era, puts German and Soviet totalitarianism in a comparative framework.

Without conflating National Socialism and Soviet Communism, Snyder illuminates the terrible similarities between them."

"Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin"

http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/books/bloodlands-europe-between-hitler-and-stalin?pageCount=0

This whole thing is extraordinarily bizarre. Nothing has emerged to suggest that the deeply psychotic, (apparently) unmedicated individual who shot these people has any interest in Sarah Palin or the Tea Party. It wouldn't matter if it had, because some people are so crazy that there is no anticipating what they'll fixate on, but the fact is that for all the evidence that's emerged Loughner might never have heard of Sarah Palin. And yet the blame has been immediate, hysterical, paranoid and predicatable. It's like elements of the left are desperate for a Reichstag Fire incident. The same meme, over and over: Opposition to the left is racist, opposition to the left is violent. No evidence needed. (Yeah, I pulled a Godwin.)

batb - great comment.

Here's what Pat Sajak had to say:

"Why is it too much to ask for a reasonable period following these kinds of mad acts during which time we can sort out the facts, deal with the personal and collective grief and report on the aftermath? It seems to me there's nothing more disrespectful to the victims of such tragedies than to use them as pawns in an effort to make points about various political and social issues. If there is political poison at work, it's being administered by those who pile on with their pre-packaged analyses before we've had any chance to deal with the horror of the situation. The victims, their families (like our George Savage), their friends and all of the rest of us, deserve the chance to grieve before the lectures and recriminations begin. Have these people and no shame?"

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Newest-Disgrace/%28comment%29/70483#comment-70483

The Tea Party has been singled out by the Democrats because they have the integrity to say that Obama's $1 trillion plus per year Federal borrowing is ruining the future of millions of Americans, and to say that it must stop immediately.

Now, the left claims the Tea Party is an accessory to the murders in Arizona.

When you reflect on the increasing violence of those on the left, and their traditional admiration for the likes of Che Guevara, one must wonder how far they will go in their war on these Americans who oppose their agenda, and what tactics they will use in the 2012 election.

Over at Power Line (“A Disgrace to Nuts Everywhere”):

http://www.powerlineblog.com/

“Byron York puts it this way: ‘Journalists urged caution after Ft. Hood, now race to blame Palin after Arizona shootings."’ Greg Farrell, a Power Line reader and close student of the left, puts it this way:

“The murders yesterday in Arizona were a despicable act of murder. . . All condolences go out to the families of the deceased and the wounded. With that being said, a line must be drawn in the sand hard and fast against the slew of irresponsible journalists and left-wing political activists, in the rare case the two are different, and their attempts to pin blame on conservative Americans who advocate for the role of a smaller government.

“The party of ELF, ACORN, ECO-TERRORISTS, THE BLACK PANTHERS, THE NEW BLACK PANTHERS, THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND, THE WINTER SOLDIERS, MUMIA ABU-JAMAL and his supporters, CAIR, LAMONT HILL, VAN JONES, SAUL ALINSKY, CODE PINK , RASHID KHALIDI , REV WRIGHT, BERNARDINE DOHRN the cop killing wife of Obama confidant, proud domestic terrorist, cop killer accomplice BILL AYERS whose hero SIRHAN SIRHAN assassinated Robert Kennedy, must never get away with trying to blame a senseless isolated act of violence against an entire political group or advocates for a political group such as the Tea Party, Glenn Beck and/or Rush Limbaugh.

“This incident should not be turned into a political issue. That is the lecture we get from left-wing advocates every time an Islamic terrorist or left-wing soldier with obvious political connections commits or attempts to commit an act of murder, violence and/or terrorism. But right on cue, the first chance the radical left has to become hypocritical while constantly lecturing the majority of America not to jump to conclusions in most other incidents, left-wing soldiers in the media and in the national spotlight (again in the rare case that there is a difference) are out there putting the blame on conservative personalities and political parties. . . .”

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majorly delusional 22 year-old with a criminal past shoots a bunch of innocent people...
didn't stop ctv's bob fife from throwing in a totally gratuitous reference to the tea
party on the 11 o'clock news the other night.

bias... what media bias?

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ET, If I admire the Tea Party movement AND kill my next door neighbour, a Democrat, you cannot link the two as causal. After all, my reason for that violence might have been because he was poisoning my ten cats.

Henceforth, I will refer to this quote as the "10 cat logic." :)

Oh, forgot, BATB - point well made.

Further to what Neo said, this morning on every half hour news on CKNW [radio in Vancouver] they told the facts of the shooting and then went onto loosely insinuate that Sarah Palin was to blame for the man's actions. No proof of a connection, no substance, no nothing. But it fits into the Hate-Palin ideology of those in the newsroom. That's how the mainstream media rolls - unprofessional & unethical. :-(

Write CTV's incoming anchorwoman (and others) with your complaints about the gratuitous smears by their news department. Be respectful.

Contact info here

Cross post: Well, well, well, what do we see (thanks to Pajamas Media) at the web site of the Democratic Leadership Committee, 2004?

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

A map with Republican districts targeted—much more graphically than on Sarah Palin’s map.

BTW, on neither map is either the name or image of the politician to beat shown.

The mean spiritedness, moral bankruptcy, and utter hypocrisy of the left is altogether exposed—to everyone but them. (Emperor’s New Clothes redux.)

Here's a very comprehensive examination of yesterday's pathetic coverage by the MSM.

small c said "...one must wonder how far they will go..."

Dude, we're looking at just the beginning of how far they'll go.

The Lefties have been running this scam for 30+ years, every time some insane person runs amok with a gun. Up until the 2000 election they screamed GUN CONTROL. Algore lost so they switched targets and screamed BUSH!!! for eight years.

Now they switched targets again and its PALIN/TEA PARTY!!!

Great point BatB.

The left has monopoly on political violence in Europe(as resent events clearly illustrates).

I guess the same apply in America...

batb's thesis has been proven over and over: the bullies win, while those with different ideas are demonized and shut out.

E.g., Ann Coulter at the University of Ottawa, the G20 vandals in Toronto, Muslim terrorists nearly everywhere, and was it Mark Steyn at Western? Officialdom, afraid of the leftie goons who loudly protest and even violently break the law, are kow-towed to, while law abiding, peaceful citizens are held hostage.

This.Has.Got.To.Stop.

And the winner of the most bizarre, overwrought, hysterical denunciation of Sarah Palin by a brainless lefty is...

"Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' blood is on Sarah Palin's hands after putting cross hair over district;"

Link
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/and_the_winner_of_the_most_biz.html

CBC's Andrew Nichols should get an honourary mention for his reporting on this event. Absolutely contemptable! Your tax dollars hard at work.

Many thanks, Robert, for that excellent "Le*gal In*sur*rec*tion" post about the left's delusional demonization of Sarah Palin and others on the right.

This tactic is more than pathetic: it's deranged and very dangerous.

And the winner of the most bizarre, overwrought, hysterical denunciation of Sarah Palin by a brainless lefty is...

Not so fast Jim Horne, LOL -

Jane Fonda on Twitter – @SarahPalinUSA holds responsibility. As does the violence-provoking rhetoric of the Tea Party. It isn’t enough that Palin just removed the map of Giffords district with gun crosshairs off her website. She holds responsibility Progressive Arizona Rep Gabrielle Giffords is shot. In her ads, Sarah Palin had her targeted in a gun site. Inciting to violence.

I see that Obama wants everyone to have an ID if they go on the Internet. I can see where this is leading...

What seems to me the saddest part of this episode is that the Congresswoman's own family, rather than being singularly focused on her survival, uses their moment in the spotlight to, as Glenn Reyonds puts it so well, score political points.

Kind of suggests she doesn't have a loving family, only a set of opportunistic relatives.

You know since reading the leftist screeds blaming Palin for the needless slaughter in Arizona I have reached the conclusion that the shooter was not insane but rather a run of the mill leftist. To any and all insane people out there please accept my deepest and most sincere apology.

Michael Harkov - princess Hanoi Jane has never been held responsible for her actions, so why shouldn't it make sense to her to hold people responsible for things they have nothing to do with? Works for me.

(Fonda's vile husband Tom Hayden once called my mother a "right-wing b*tch" to her face. I'm proud of that.)

I revise my post above - Her relatives' talking politics is not the saddest part of this episode, but one of the sadder. Saddest would have to be the 9-year-old victim.

Jane Fonda is an idiot—well, we already knew that.

As I pointed out above, in 2004, long before Palin’s map, the Democratic Leadership Committee had a map, with targets on it, to show in which districts they were going to concentrate on beating the Republicans.

Was Jane upset about that?

Again, neither map named or showed a picture of the candidates. The states weren’t even named. The left needs to get a grip. (I know, magical thinking.)

Black Mamba, the vile Tom Hayden is Jane's EX-husband. I guess even he got tired of the posturing.

Good for your mom!!

lookout - I think he may have been current at the time. A lot of guys seem to want to divorce Jane.

Jonathan Narvey over at The Propagandist doesn't pull any punches -- he outright blames Sarah Palin and the tea partiers (http://propagandistmag.com/2011/01/08/american-gangster).

Very disappointing -- the Propagandist is usually a good resource.

A Democratic strategist is advising as follows:

One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did.

“They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47294_Page2.html

My, my.........

Two can play the Blame Game: Is Daily Kos to blame for Gifford attack?

So where will we be one week from now? I expect that mounting evidence will show the alleged murderer to have had strong Leftist leanings. That will effectively silence this story in the MSM.

When the next shooting occurs, the likes of Krugman, Fonda, and the Daily Kos will be striving to beat their Blame Game record and post baseless attacks in less than 7 seconds.

It's beyond sick but such folks will NEVER learn. :-(

Apparently the shooter promoted Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Marx's "Communist Manifesto" on his website. Palin and the tea partiers would consider either ideology to be reprehensible. Whereas, the Obama democrats would only consider Hitler's ideology to be reprehensible.

The despicable CKNW newsroom has just reported that Sarah Palin may be facing charges for inciting gun violence. The lack of objectivity of the MSM has no bounds. :-(

Sarah Palin should pay a political price for the post on her website. If I had a website with that on there I would be charged and convicted.

I can't seem to find Batb's comment

It's obvious that the radical Left is upset with the Obama Dems because Obama has caved to the Republicans on a number of issues.

This was especially obvious when Obama appeared on the Left-wing "Daily Show" a few months ago and the host Jon Stewart disrespectfully called Obama "dude" and excorciated the Prez. Obama has assumed a low media profile ever since -- the radical Left hates Obama and the Dems right now. Even Hugo Chavez is upset with the Obama administration -- maybe this guy was a FARC assassin!

azphetc. - click link, genius (you'd be aquitted due to mental incapacity).

Apparently the FBI alleged he may of been a member of anti-semitic group called the "American Renaissance". So to recap, a marxists loon with a history of drug use and a alleged member of a Neo Nazi group attempts to execute a Jew it's Sara's fault and the loons on the left wonder why the Tea Party exists. Jesus wept they are dumber than the media that reports the lies.

Link: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

MSM and the shrieky violent leftwingers better hope one of their progressive nuts don't harm Sara.

Latest news report from CKNW: "Sea levels will rise 4 metres over the next 1,000 years."

Facts to support this? None. But it's what the Canadian MSM calls "news" these days. :-(

If I didn't enjoy Roy Green's show so much, I wouldn't have to endure the CRAPOLA coming out of 'NW!

The original Target Map in US politics . .

It is OK when Democrats do it.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

The injection of politics is a distraction from the real questions we should be asking and discussing.

Such as - How did Jared know they would all be together in that particular grocery store parking lot? Was he tipped off? If so by whom? An insider seems plausible. Why were they altogether at that particular parking lot? Were they all together on a bus or something? Why are they focusing on a possible 50 year old white male accomplice which according to every university is the description of who controls the world and is to blame for all the evil and woe, and to whom all students are taught to focus their energy on destroying if they want to create heaven on earth.

So where was Jared's family or friends in all this? Jared was someone's son and/or brother. Why did no one intervene on his behalf? Why did the sheriff not act on his earlier threats and have him arrested and evaluated by court order?

Reports indicate that he was kicked out of a pre-algebra class as well as an advanced poetry class and was refused entry by the army. There is more than enough criteria present to have had him hospitalized or at least evaluated(video's posted on you tube, pattern of social rejection and testimony of others).

A preventable tragedy. Jared had a mental illness or either an acquired or an organic brain injury.

Black Mamba ... be nice ~~ azphetc. - click link, genius (you'd be aquitted due to mental incapacity ~~ :)

Orlin (in Marquette, or are there several Orlins?) - yeah, I'd better be nice. Otherwise, if he flips, who knows, maybe I'm liable...

Oh Dear look what I found, I look forward to left frothing in outrage screaming arrest those demorats for their bulleyes.

Link Kate: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

I've sent every newsroom and jounalist whos email I have a copy of the Dem target map and Obama's quote. They can't say they didn't know

Rose, see my post about this map @ 2:49 and 3:40 p.m.

As I pointed out, "neither [the earlier Democratic Leadership Committee or later Palin] map named or showed a picture of the candidates. The states weren’t even named. The left needs to get a grip. (I know, magical thinking.)"

Who said this*?

>>> "*A preventable tragedy. Jared had a mental illness or either an acquired or an organic brain injury."

Really?

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"Video: Chris Matthews muses on killing Rush Limbaugh"

"Call this the opposite of a tingle up one’s leg. No surprise here from the classiest cable network to drag anchor in the ratings, but consider if someone on Fox had offered this kind of fantasy musing on air about a liberal show host — say, Keith Olbermann or Matthews himself. The Left would have screamed about fascism and brownshirts, and of crypto-signaling for assassinations and the like:

CHRIS MATTHEWS: You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?

Live and Let Die? Matthews is into the Roger Moore Bond films? That explains a lot, actually.

Note too, that Matthews isn’t using the dishonest “some people are saying” dodge here, either. He’s openly wistful for the day it happens, telling Politico’s Jonathan Martin and Washington Post reporter Anne Kornblut that “we’ll be there to watch” when someone offs Rush.

Classy. Really, really classy. Does NBC want to stand behind this standard for its broadcasts?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2653901/posts

As the Blogging tory site listed below likes to feature so called leftist blogsite comments, I thought I would return the favor.

"Damian Penny, a lawyer here in the Halifax area just had the quote of the day on this,

"When the last Che Guevara T-shirt has been thrown out, *then* the left can start lecturing us about violent political imagery."

Posted by: AtlanticJim at January 9, 2011 10:55 AM

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/015770.html#comments

Where have we read that before?

Posted at Warrenkinsella.com

Gord Tulk says:
January 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Assasination is killing one of your own species.

I like what Damian penny has said:

“When the last Che Guevara T-shirt has been thrown out, *then* the left can start lecturing us about violent political imagery.”

Busted Gord

Also posted at Warrenkinsella.com

"Brammer says:
January 9, 2011 at 8:34 am

Poignant words from Sheriff Dupnik (CNN):

“At Saturday’s press conference, Dupnik did not state a motive for the assassination attempt against the Democratic congresswoman. But he suggested that “vitriolic rhetoric” in political debates could have deadly consequences.

“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this county is getting to be outrageous. Unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital,” he said. “We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”

What batb said.
This is not a tragedy for the left insofar as it is the most convenient time to use the shooting of a generally liberal politician (forget about the nine year old girl who was shot- there is no political capital there) to do what they could not do for ages- discredit people who would otherwise wipe the floor with them. Pathetic.

Addendum to post @11:18:

The charade of blaming Tucson on intemperate political discourse is not confined to the left. The left blames the right, sure, but we're used to it; we expect it; they are beneath contempt. The real outrage, however, is the concerted effort by the ruling class---our politicians and their enablers in the MSN---to place the blame for the Tucson attack and murders on we the people. For criticizing them! For being blunt and impolite about all the ways they are wrecking our lives. It's our extreme rhetoric that's to blame, not them.

The Repubs are in on it. They are shamed or cowed into suspending the peoples' business in congress. Why? Because "an attack on one is an attack on all". Is Boehner out of his mind? He's just conceded that it was a political act, without a shred of evidence. Maybe they think voting in favour of killing Obamacare would be unseemly in the circumstances? Why? Because only the heartless are agin Obamacare?

The ruling class is turning this into an attack on we the people. Watch for these "remedies": more publicly-funded security for politicians to protect them from hysterical and violent citizens; even more demonization of middle America, home of the bitter clingers; even more demonization of Arizona, home of the racist bigot; tighter gun-control laws; even fewer town-hall meetings; "net neutrality".

Folks, it's not just the left that won't let a crisis go to waste.

Such as - How did Jared know they would all be together in that particular grocery store parking lot? Was he tipped off? If so by whom?

Tucson is the Capitol of Arizona.
Congresswoman Giffords has held that same event at the exact same Safeway parking lot several times before.
Loughner was a longtime resident of Tucson.
Check out Giffords' wiki entry.

he said. “We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”
~hugger

I thought Mecca was the "mecca" for prejudice and bigotry.

Speaking of 'the left' and vitriolic rhetoric, here's a site that has a few examples:

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2011/01/more-leftist-hate-speech-that-caused.html

It provides links to various speeches given by left-leaning public figures - all quite violent and hostile.

If I didn't enjoy Roy Green's show so much, I wouldn't have to endure the CRAPOLA coming out of 'NW!
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at January 9, 2011 4:34 PM

He's the only Only ONLY reason 'NW is still on one of my presets in my car. Otherwise, I've long since stopped listening to the vanilla-bland drivel broadcast on that station.

For me, 790 out of Bellingham is my station of choice, carrying Rush, Beck and Hannity.

Great segment just a second ago on CNN as Neal Boortz takes apart anchor Don Lemon, who brought up the "vitriol" and "toning down the rhetoric" arguments from the liberal media.

Boortz read back a bunch of quotes, including "if they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun" and asked Lemon if he knows whose quotes those were.

"No, I don't", said Lemon.

After he was informed it was the president, Lemon says, "Well, there's context in everything".

When Boortz responded that the media treats such comments differently when they come from the left as opposed to the right, Lemon quickly changes the subject.

It was a thing of beauty.

I doubt whether CNN will be featuring Boortz's comments in their loop coverage the way they do with those who blame Palin and the Tea Party, among others. It doesn't quite fit into their narrative.

Real men take responsibility for their actions and reflect. They don't try to deflect their comments, inferences nor their crosshairs.

Why isn't Julian Assange dead yet?

We know where you live.

'Late to this post. Thanks for the kudos!

I saw red when I read Ed's comment, " ... because of the Tea Party [Loughner] was convinced that the government was going to take away all freedom and that the only solution is violence and domestic terrorism," as though Loughner's shooting rampage was perfectly legit in response to the open, transparent, and perfectly sensible agenda of the Tea Party.

HUH?

So, I stated the obvious, which sometimes bears stating! Like so many here, I'm sick to bloody death of those on the Right being blackmailed into either not stating their opinions because they're not pc, they're not "progressive," they're anti-Zeitgeist or being chastised for stating opinions that don't toe the Leftist line.

The Left is desecrating the democratic process by their insane bullying and vitriolic rhetoric and, yet, they think they hold the moral high ground.

They're delusional and dangerous.

There is only one right opinion, it's the "progressive" opinion. Any other view is vitriol, ignorance & bigoted.

hugger, Kate's a -girl-. And so is Sarah Palin.

Incidentally, you are an active, eager participant in the latest, greatest DemocRat effort to censor the internet. Loose talk is the new gun control. Pretty soon you won't be able to post a jpg of a puppy without getting permission from the Ministry of Speech.

Well, unless the Tea Party gets the job done.

phantom:

Must be Julian Assange's fault that this kid is influenced by Marxist/ National socialist thought.

Sheesh. What a non-sequiter bully hugger portrays himself to be.

batb, you are on a roll.

SYF, indeed, good ol' Julian must have endangered a few people with his inflamed rhetoric about the eeeevile USA.

I'm going to have fun with this.

Well you must admit according to all the leftists on the web Palin is much more powerful than Oblamebush. Why her merely putting an X on a map is sufficient for people to drop dead. They should hire her to hunt down bin Laden. Oh sorry my bad, bin Laden is on the leftist side.

Lessee here how about if she puts an X on Crawford Texas would that satisfy the loony leftists?

Some additional info in the charges (pdf):

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/LoughnerComplaint.pdf

Let's go down memory road shall we: What reporter wanted Harper to get hit by a bus and then stomped to death? What Party in the US has demonized independant voter as racists bigots whilst their union thugs beat up a black man? I just read an article outlining that the demorats are using this incident to raise funds, jebus wept the sick farkers are beyond a cure.

I blame the shooter, not the Tea Party, not Sara, not the demented Demorats nor the Republicans but the man who took a gun and held it to a woman's head and shot her and then he shot other innocents. In my world I place blame on the person for their actions not a political ethos.

On Fox News, I've just heard an interview with Patricia Maisch, the brave woman, who grabbed the magazine that Loughner was planning to reload. Maisch seems to be an intelligent, reliable witness and a fine citizen.

Then, at the end of the interview, she calmly said that she agreed with the sheriff’s take on the shooting, and she said that it was the fault of the “extreme right wing”: their radio shows, etc. I was shocked and dismayed.

Shep let that go—maybe a good thing, under the circumstances. However, as batb has just written here: “The Left is desecrating the democratic process by their insane bullying and vitriolic rhetoric and, yet, they think they hold the moral high ground.

“They're delusional and dangerous.”

I think Ms Maisch is delusional: she just laid serious, unsubstantiated blame—and got away with it, on Fox News.

The 6:00 p.m. Fox News Report also pussyfooted around the heinous behaviour of the left: Brit Hume was pretty solid, but not one person mentioned Sarah Palin.

We’re living in very difficult times.

"SYF, indeed, good ol' Julian must have endangered a few people with his inflamed rhetoric about the eeeevile USA.

I'm going to have fun with this.
Posted by: The Phantom at January 9, 2011 7:25 PM"

"hugger, Kate's a -girl-. And so is Sarah Palin."
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Yes I know they are, well sort of.

The point is taking responsibility for one's actions and comments and what that can and sometimes does result in. The quote I posted is pretty clear, do you take exception with what Sheriff Dupnik said? If so, please state what exactly you disagree with.

Also do you agree with inferring that Julian Assange should be killed or with Flangans not so veiled inferences in his email response to the woman who complained about his statements on Power and Politics? "We know where you live". Geez that takes a manly man to write something like that eh?

Let me get this straight, Jared hated Palin, so he shoots persons "reportedly" in her "cross-hairs" to do Palin a favor?

As for the shooter NOT being mentally ill or brain damaged, that is highly unlikely IMHO unless of course those videos he posted on You Tube are not his, and those interviewed who knew him and stated as much are lying. Schizophrenia IMO. There are many causes and beliefs surrounding Schizophrenia dating back hundreds of centuries.

I am angry because an innocent 9 year old child was killed by someone who belonged in an institution: jail or hospital, and I find it reprehensible for the left to somehow blame this incident on conservatives, tea party members and even birthers. Goes to show how low this administration will go.

The fact remains that it was reported that he was known to the authorities and had made previous threats, including that he intended to kill a police officer - the whole incident may have been avoided if the police would have responded appropriately. With the current administrations cooperation, the authorities are deflecting and distracting the spotlight away from themselves.

The left are taking their creed of never wasting a crisis way to far.

Thanks for the info OZ - the reports I read did not state a reason for any gathering; instead they focused, in length, on a possible Republican - tea party - immigration laws connection. I should have read more and found out for myself if any other info was available before commenting. I did know that Tucson was the capital of Arizona, but I did not know she routinely spoke in Safeway parking lots.

No-One - read the pdf I posted above.

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” - Barack Obama

Barry is so accustomed to breaking the law that he forgets that it is illegal to use more force than your attacker in a fight.

Their rules and they won't follow them.

Barry philosophy – “There may be a Taliban insurgent hiding in the Pakistani village, send in the predator drones and flatten the entire housing block. My Nobel “Peace” Prize gives me immunity from any war crimes. The fact that I’m black means you can’t even question what I do, just ask any Liberal tree hugger”.

hugger said: "The point is taking responsibility for one's actions and comments and what that can and sometimes does result in."

You are seriously suggesting that the -mere mention- of violence, not as a threat but as an allusion, jest, illustration, a graphic on a web site or whatever, could -cause- a violent incident by triggering off some random lunatic.

Mocking you would be superfluous at this point. Gilding the lily, as it were.

John Hinderaker at Power Line:

“The Democratic Party is trying to blame Jared Loughner's crime on Sarah Palin. So, if Governor Palin or any other Republican were to be raped, or shot, or come to any other harm, would it be the liberals’ fault? By their logic, the case would be more than air-tight.

“I haven't had much time to watch cable news over the weekend, but from what I've seen, I've been disappointed in the performance of Republicans. Conservatives need to hit back aggressively against the Democrats' ridiculous attacks, not try to be high-minded.”

My point, exactly.

"hugger said: "The point is taking responsibility for one's actions and comments and what that can and sometimes does result in."

You are seriously suggesting that the -mere mention- of violence, not as a threat but as an allusion, jest, illustration, a graphic on a web site or whatever, could -cause- a violent incident by triggering off some random lunatic.

Mocking you would be superfluous at this point. Gilding the lily, as it were."

Posted by: The Phantom at January 9, 2011 8:29 PM

Can you not answer the questions I asked? Are they too difficult for you?

I agree with most of the comments here, but I still don't think people should use imagery that involves guns and targets with implication that the the person is the target. The CFL, or rather a CFL sponsor, did it in some ads this year. A target with a bullseye was put over a CFL coach. I don't even remember what the ad was for, I just remember feeling uncomfortable about it.

Two questions

1) Where is the new Journolist hiding, the one that allowed the usual suspects to co-ordinate the story so quickly?

2) When will Stephen Harper be blamed?

The questions you asked are lunacy, hugger. If you believe what you have said here you are a lunatic. If you do not believe it you are not even that, just another liar.

That's what Sheriff Dupnik is. Just another liar spouting the Party Line to keep his sinecure. The only difference between you and him is, he gets money for lying

I'll leave it to you to decide which is lower.

A nice aggregate post of the left's hypocrisy in blaming Palin for violent rhetorical images.

http://patterico.com/2011/01/09/left-and-media-but-i-repeat-myself-in-a-fact-free-frenzy-to-blame-palin-for-giffords-shooting/

Talk radio may have contributed to this fool's rampage. But not conservative talk radio. As I have said on a previous thread,his delusions are similar to what passes for 'intelligence' on the "Prison Planet" show hosted by Alex Jones.

I work right next to a fool who worships Mr.Jones. He is always talking about currency issues,gold standard policies,new world order,corrupt government,etc. He is an echo chamber for Jones,who by the way is head 'truther'.

My co-worker also is extremely anti-Jewish,and embraces Chavez and Castro.He was talking recently about dreams with-in dreams(Inception) and how I would not understand the concept.

Doesn't this sound familiar? Jared,crazy murdering fool,also has these opinions,and they may have come from the same source,talk radio,but not conservative talk radio.

The questions you asked are lunacy, hugger. If you believe what you have said here you are a lunatic. If you do not believe it you are not even that, just another liar.

That's what Sheriff Dupnik is. Just another liar spouting the Party Line to keep his sinecure. The only difference between you and him is, he gets money for lying

I'll leave it to you to decide which is lower.
Posted by: The Phantom at January 9, 2011 8:52 PM

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Oooo, name calling. Some come back there Phantom. Careful you don't hurt yourself while flailing around trying to avoid giving any substantial answers. Even resorting to calling Sheriff Dupnik a liar. Here I thought the faithful followers on this site were law and order stalwarts and stood behind what police and authorities say. I guess that only applies when it suits some feeble agenda you are told to follow.

I could ask the questions again just to reinforce my original point but clearly I don't need to bother.

Reminding you of your earlier words, "I'm going to have fun with this."

RU having fun yet?

Well, Terry, the Democrats' new logo is a circle with a capital "D" smack in the middle.

That suggests a target with the Democrats right in the middle—put there by themselves. (Of course, in 2004, when the Democrats used targets on a map in order to single out Republicans to beat—whoops, sorry for the violent language!—none of the usual suspects had any qualms.)

What do you think of that?

Political parties and sports teams have always used the images of battle. At what point are individuals to be responsible for their own behaviour? It seems, Terry, that you might be the sort of person who would side with lustful Muslims, who blame the rape they commit, not on their own lack of control, but on their female victims, for not covering up sufficiently. Once the onus shifts from the perpetrator, with excuses made, while blame is put on the victim, where will it all end? (Check out the Denmark thread.)

The left has Tea Party types in their cross hairs, and has had us there for some time. Playing by their warped and evil—yes, evil—standards will be the death (whoops again!) of us. At the moment, I think we—e.g., Republicans, Fox News, and other "I'll take the high road, while our enemies are getting there first on the low road"—need to smarten up.

It’s been reported that one of Loughner’s college professors saw “Mayhemfest” scribbled on an assignment he handed in, that he was a fan of heavy metal, and that this scared the professor. The professor also added that when he learned that Loughner was arrested for the spree, he wasn’t surprised.

Heavy metal?

So it wasn’t Palin and the Tea Party that inspired Loughner after all. Phewww!

Unless, of course, the MSM wants to say that the Gore’s have no credibility.

I can live with that.

This, just in at City Journal: “The Hateful Left, Where incendiary political rhetoric truly resides in America” by Andrew Klavan:

“. . . the Left’s sudden talk about incendiary political rhetoric in the wake of the Arizona shooting isn’t really about political rhetoric at all. It’s about the real-world failure of leftist policies everywhere. . . Europe is in debt and on fire. American citizens are in political revolt. Even the most left-wing president ever is making desperate overtures to his right.

“But all that might be tolerable to leftists if they weren’t starting to lose control of the one weapon in which they have the most faith: the narrative. The narrative is what leftists believe in instead of the truth. If they can blame George W. Bush for the economic crisis, if they can make Sarah Palin out to be an idiot, if they can call the Tea Party racist until you think it must be true, they might yet retain power . . . [but] Fox News, talk radio, the Internet, and the Wall Street Journal have begun to respond in ways they can’t ignore.

“That’s the hateful rhetoric they’re talking about: conservatives interrupting the stream of leftist invective in order to dismantle their arguments with the facts. . .”

Read it at:

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0109ak.html

As stated, the “Tea Party” originated as a grassroots party consisting of all political views across the narrow US political spectrum who felt ripped off, and lied to by their government.

The Dem’s will gouge at the eyes of any political/ ideological opposition, regardless of their position on the issues. If you are not on board with empire expansion, controlled population and government dictatorial rule you are on the outside.

The left is waking up from the “black mans party” with a very bad hangover, and are realizing that they wuz robbed AGAIN.

The Democratic Party is now scrambling to force feed propaganda and legal control mechanisms into the system as they watch their voting base drain away.

huggerer..

In case it's news to you, (I'm sure it is).....

Sherriffs in the good US of A, are, get ready for this.......ELECTED OFFICIALS....aka, POLITICIANS.

It is no wonder that Dupnik has given a carefully worded and repetitive speech on this subject. He is just simply repeating his talking points which fit into the script, the same script he was reading in regards to the Arizona immigration law. As elected Sheriff, he has chosen not to enforce, or help others, to enforce US law.....doesn't fit into his political position.

Dupnik is just another apologist, but understand one thing. He is NOT a policeman, he is a politician

hugger @10:07
Even resorting to calling Sheriff Dupnik a liar.

I found it extremely strange that a public servant would make such a crass political statement as blaming the massacre on "vitriolic rhetoric". But then you realize that County Sheriffs are elected in the U.S. and therefore subject to the political process. It should surprise no one that the good Sheriff is a Democrat.

It was Dupnik, a Democrat, who has been responsible for leading the department’s transformation from an organization that was deeply infected with corruption to a respected department that has the technology and deputies to provide law enforcement services to tens of thousands of people who live in the unincorporated areas of the county.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2008/10/14/99517-our-endorsement-dupnik-deserves-another-term-as-sheriff/

"I agree with most of the comments here, but I still don't think people should use imagery that involves guns and targets with implication that the the person is the target. The CFL, or rather a CFL sponsor, did it in some ads this year. A target with a bullseye was put over a CFL coach. I don't even remember what the ad was for, I just remember feeling uncomfortable about it."

That uncomfortable feeling was the sand in your mangina. Hey, do you wet yourself in fear when someone even says the word "target" or "gun"?

As one would expect of him, WABC's John Batchelor had a superb first hour last night devoted to the mass killing in Tucson. Well worth listening to!

Good comment BATB! Capt. bob you have wrung out the truth and stated it in few words:

'People like Van Jones call for violence in the streets. The MSM don't call him/them on it.
When something like this happens it adds fuel to the fire on all sides, nothing good can come from it.
The guy obviously has a screw missing, now his actions will fester an already explosive situation.'
Posted by: capt_bob at January 9, 2011 12:37 PM

Marxism is fanatical and violent - and as Lenin said 'you have to crack a few eggs (heads) to make an omelet" 'Making the Russian Revolution' - yes, they called 'making' a revolution with the same terminology as making a cake or an omelet - you up-heave everyone, force them into a form and then treat them as ONE item (a cake, an omelet etc) blood runs in the streets and sane individuals are cowed. The Bolsheviks sacrificed thousands of 'their own' for 'the cause' (not a cause, the cause - direct definitive because these wild eyed fanatics are driven, they are out of control like a team of runaway horses. They run over all that they pass through and have no regrets for those that they trample; if they get the rest of the herd to run with them - little is left of the territory they trample).

We need cool heads and fast pens at this time, IMO. If sane people give an inch the revolutionaries will take the bit in their mouths and run - out of control.

Giffords did not vote for Nancy Pelosi.

"That uncomfortable feeling was the sand in your mangina. Hey, do you wet yourself in fear when someone even says the word "target" or "gun"?

No I don't, but if your the type of person that brings a gun to rally, or points it another person, then your not the type of person I to bwe associated with.

"Political parties and sports teams have always used the images of battle. At what point are individuals to be responsible for their own behaviour? It seems, Terry, that you might be the sort of person who would side with lustful Muslims, who blame the rape they commit, not on their own lack of control, but on their female victims, for not covering up sufficiently. Once the onus shifts from the perpetrator, with excuses made, while blame is put on the victim, where will it all end? (Check out the Denmark thread.)

The left has Tea Party types in their cross hairs, and has had us there for some time. Playing by their warped and evil—yes, evil—standards will be the death (whoops again!) of us. At the moment, I think we—e.g., Republicans, Fox News, and other "I'll take the high road, while our enemies are getting there first on the low road"—need to smarten up."

All I said was I uncomfortable with images of people in gunsights. I am with you--people are responsible for their actions. But I am still willing to give the general public some credit and take the high road. I think in stooping to their level, you lose all the arguments that we as conservative espouse--namely that individual people can handle their own affairs better than the government can. It seems to me you are saying that people are too stupid to figure this out.

Sheriff Dupnik
A political hack using everything at his disposal to discredit and interfere with Arizona's imigration law.
Joe Arpaio he ain't.

Here's a hit piece in the Guardian newspaper. Before reading it and the comments thereafter, be sure you have a barf bag or garbage can in front of you.

Look who is talking

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

** Obama: to the impoverished people of the Third World “you Bring a Knife…We Bring a Hellfire missle”

batb at January 9, 2011 7:10 PM

Well said in both posts.

"No I don't, but if your the type of person that brings a gun to rally, or points it another person, then your not the type of person I to bwe associated with."

Did it ever occur to you and the other whiners that those people that "OMG, they are carrying guns OUT IN THE OPEN" are doing so lawfully? Esp. in Arizona, folks are ALLOWED to carry firearms openly?

Hey, did you also know that in some advanced countries, you can even carry one to defend yourself, and, *gasp*, even your home?

It's okay, I don't want to know a coward like yourself.

Remember this tender moment from the left wing?

http://blogwonks.com/2009/06/05/playboys-conservative-women-hate-f*ck-fantasy/

A site to book mark, all the good juicy democrat drivebye smears that the liberal Media asserts never happens. Book mark it because the left have been outed as demented hateful puss filled anti-woman bigots. http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

I thought I’d check out David Frum’s weasel organization, No Labels, to get its take on the anti-Republican, anti-Tea Party, anti-Sarah Palin feeding frenzy in the aftermath of the Tucson tragedy. I wasn’t surprised by the hypocritical garbage No Labels has the audacity to spew, in an ever so serious tone, as if its progressive, anti-conservative stance has any credibility at all. Here’s what I sent to No Labels at its web site:

Your statement about the Tuscon tragedy is utterly disingenuous.

There has already been knee-jerk, malicious finger pointing: and, with no evidence (he’s admitted it), Sheriff Dupnik, a Democrat, to whom No Labels ascribes some moral authority here, is actually one of the perpetrators. What about that?

I guess you're aware of the Democratic Leadership Committee’s 2004 map, “BEHIND ENEMY LINES”, with targets on Republican districts, as well as the vicious attacks on Sarah Palin. The attacks are all from the left, which, BTW, is where most of the vitriol is coming from. What about that?

I guess you've heard President Obama’s many incendiary comments about his “enemies”, such as: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl.” (Philadelphia in June, 2008) What about that?

No Labels seems awfully silent when it’s the left, as usual, dishing out the vitriol. What about that?

I’ve not trusted No Labels’ motives or goals from the get-go. Your rank hypocrisy re this tragic event and its aftermath has altogether confirmed my skepticism. How about getting your own house in order before telling the rest of us how to behave?

If you don’t have a motto for your group, let me suggest one: “DON’T do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

She paints a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the Congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."

We've confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

Parker "tweets" that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became "reclusive" after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."

Well imagine that?

Someone "quite liberal" and a "political radical" trying to kill a leader in his own party.

Who would have guessed?

Fearless Leader at January 10, 2011 11:31 AM

Someone "quite liberal" and a "political radical" trying to kill a leader in his own party.

Who would have guessed?

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The left has a history of purging members of their own party after of course purging the country of its best and brightest.

Beat me to it by a whisker, fearless leader.

That excerpt is from National Post story, , page A#.

As has been mentioned before, the guy publicly admitted he is influenced by the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf. That would explain his attraction to totalitarian solutions and it could well be he sees himself as an instrument of liberation.

Also, the 2012 end of the Aztec calendar. That confirms he's wacky. It comes as no great shock that those who are drawn into a fantasy world that has nothing to do with reality and ultimately fails them.

Maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to believe that the two aforementoined books of utopian totalitarian doctrine are required reading for Tea Party members.

Stay strong. We're winning.

Other examples of violent-sounding US political rhetoric:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson

"LIVE FREE OR DIE"

- Motto displayed on all New Hampshire vehicle plates.

Presumably, in order to tone down all the rhetoric, the writings of Jefferson will need to be appropriately edited (in the manner of Twain's Huckleberry Finn).

And New Hampshire's vehicle plate motto will become "HAVE A NICE DAY" with a smiley button.

mikeg81, not only is open carry legal, concealed carry is also now legal without a license. The Arizona legislature repealed the CCW licensure requirement.

One of the things that has irritated me about this incident, is nobody in that crowd was carrying except the shooter. They should have been. Might have saved a nine year old if they moved quick enough.

As to Tea Party events where people brought their guns, yes they definitely did that. There were two reasons for it, first and most important was to EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS, because unlike in Canada, Americans have the -right- to own and carry guns. Whenever and wherever they want.

The second and much less important reason was in response to SEIU members beating the hell out of that black guy Kenneth Gladney. Miraculously, there have been no further beatings at Tea Party events and as yet zero SEIU thugs have been shot.

Phantom,

Pardon the cliche, but you are preaching to the choir with me. I've known about the CCW and open carry in Arizona for some time, as compared to the junk laws we have up here.

My posts are directed to another poster here who has trouble with the idea of folks carrying firearms legally, or the use of target/bullseyes/crosshairs in everyday conversation. He needs some serious help.

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b-nichol, you don't think that being a registered Republican is causal to a shooting spree, do you?