It is only a matter of time until Assange pisses off the wrong folks and has a serious accident. Putin would be one of them. Obama obviously is not.

If Assange is in England they are unlikely to do anything, unless Assange spews some hate speech against a minority or gets caught with a sharp object in his hand.

Like I said before, the Russians used up all the polonium 210 isotope...

The KGB (Kind Good Boys) were replaced by the FSB (Freakin Serious Boys)...

This guy is going to get Assange-inated and served up like potatoes Julienne.

This man has a serious death wish, maybe he should consult with Litvenenko's widow...

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

@oz: If Assange is in England they are unlikely to do anything...
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From the Kate's link: ...former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko, ...was poisoned with a rare and highly radioactive polonium isotope while living in London in 2006...
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Being in England won't save Assange's, errhh, @ss if the Russian's take offense, me thinks?
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he'll get a job with The Guardian

Assange might end up getting the same treatment as those Somali pirates.

Putin will do it himself. On Russian TV.

martywd, I meant the UK authorities.
They got to Alexander Litvinenko because he trusted someone from the old country.

Vladimir Bogdanovich Rezun(Viktor Suvorov), a GRU defector(foreign military intelligence directorate of the Soviet Army General Staff of the Soviet Union), still lives and writes in the UK.

Some say Assange is an idiot, some say Assange is a martyr, but we can all agree that this guy has some giant balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPdA7aJ5tJc

The KGB (Kind Good Boys) were replaced by the FSB (Freakin Serious Boys)...
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OMG........ Coffee just went everywhere.

Thanks for the laugh. (-:

Some say Assange is an idiot, some say Assange is a martyr, but we can all agree that this guy has some giant balls.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Until someone removes them?

"Has died." Yeah, that particular passive locution keeps popping into my mind whenever I think "Assange". Why, despite my libertarianness, do I somehow admire that pr*ck Putin? Diagnosers of right-wing mental illness step up; bleety, where art thou?

Indy - he's pleased you're thinking about his b@lls. You know he is :-)

My hypothesis for the reason that Assange is hiding in Britain is that he feels safest in Britain, certain that no matter what, the US will not have somebody eliminated on British soil.

I don't think that Pres. Zero has the moral fiber to order any specific enemy eliminated anywhere, much less in Britain, however deserving and needful. However, Russian dictator ex-KGB Colonel Putin and his Famiglia have traditionally shown no such squeamishness. (e.g. Alexander Litvenenko; those Somali pirates; going back further in history, the attempted, nearly successful assassination of Pope John Paul VI). So, as far as spilling all the beans on Russia, Assange ought to rethink what is too far. That is the act most likely to see him end up "sleeping with the fishes".

From the article:

"The unidentified high-ranking Defense Ministry official did not elaborate on how the pirates died, deepening a mystery..."

Hahaha, yes, it certainly is a mystery.

Assange fools with Russia, Assange is dead meat.

Hmmm..massive dosage of polonium-210 in ASSange future? Alexander Litvinenko unavailable for comment....

@oz: martywd, I meant the UK authorities
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Read the following and then tell me the 'UK authorities' are not interested?   I still think, like many others that Assange is now between a rock and a very hard place?
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From the comments.
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So this was about a month before this latest release. I wonder, will all the indignant "bububu why won't that chicken Assange go after Russia?" bedwetters now shut up?

Oops, wait I forgot. There's absolutely nothing to see here in these cables and Assange must be assassinated so we can be sure such non-revelations never happen again. Ah, that's better. Doublethink, when properly controlled, can be quite soothing.
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Our governments lie to us, more and more. And they will keep on lying to us until they are exposed as lying to us.

Enjoying Wikileaks...

The Russians poisoned them with Lead, not Polonium.

Lead is much "faster acting"

And who knew . . Lead makes fish food too!

Y'all need to understand that NOTHING he has done is of any concern to Obama. Any direct damage to The One is minimal and peripheral, and easily remedied with further slobbering from ABCNNBCBS and their dead-tree fellow travelers. And the damage to the United States is perfectly in line with the Head Nagger's policies.

Okay...I'm thinking about something else now.

"Why, despite my libertarianness, do I somehow admire that pr*ck Putin? Diagnosers of right-wing mental illness step up.."

OK, I'll bite, but I am not a "diagnoser of right wing mental illness" and I am definitely not bleety.

As a libertarian (as opposed to an anarchist) you believe that government has a limited role, and unlike all the other crap governments try to do, protecting citizens and assuring law and justice are actually essential. Western governments are tending more and more to expand the non-essential while defaulting on their essential roles.

Vlad Putin, whatever his other defects, at least knows he has to perform the essential.

I don't think you are the only citizen of a western country who has at least grudging admiration for Vlad.

How did I do?

Andrey Konstantinovich Lugovoy former KGB bodyguard and acquaintance of Alexander Litvinenko(former KGB) put the polonium-210 in Litvinenko's food or drink.

Lugovoy met with Litvinenko on the day Litvinenko fell ill (November 1, 2006). Litvinenko died later in November from radiation poisoning caused by polonium-210, and on May 22, 2007 British officials charged Lugovoy with Litvinenko's murder, announcing they would seek his extradition from Russia. Russia declined to extradite Lugovoy, citing that extradition of citizens is not allowed under the Russian constitution.

IF Assange knows any FSB or former KGB agents and meets with them then yes it's a possibility that they could assassinate him.
Otherwise, Assange is pretty safe.

As I said earlier above, Vladimir Bogdanovich Rezun(Viktor Suvorov) is still alive.
He knew better than to meet with old GRU acquaintances, or people from the old country.

Assange is Australian.
Australia isn't known for assassinating people.

martywd, the UK courts are sticklers for the law.
If Sweden doesn't present adequate proof to the UK authorities that there are solid grounds for arrest and extradition them there won't be any arrest or extradition.

Fantasies aside, it's. just. that. simple.

Did great felis.

However we do not need the "Head N****'s" comment. Remember Mark Matis, that is the domain of the left.

"Why, despite my libertarianness, do I somehow admire that pr*ck Putin?"

I get it Mamba; this guy is sort of the white version of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTIowBF0kE

I guess you'll have to lick him to know for sure eh?

It is only a matter of time until Assange pisses off the wrong folks and has a serious accident. Putin would be one of them. Obama obviously is not.
Posted by: JMD at December 3, 2010 11:46 AM

As far as obamma (funny, if you spell check obamma, Mohammad is one of the more correct choices) is concerned, nothing that has been leaked has really affected him personally.

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/03/question-why-cant-wikileaks-release-obamas-many-missing-documents/#comments

I am totally surprised Assange is alive today.
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This is what Assange is accused of in Sweden:

http://tinyurl.com/2c4wjom

I don't think that the UK will arrest and extradite Assange for something as iffy as this and isn't a part of the criminal code in the UK.

I saw Putin being interviewed by Larry King the other day, and he did not sound amused about the Batman and Robin stuff (although at least he was Batman, now imagine if this diplomat had gone the other way which on looks alone would be more appropriate).

He also launched into about five minutes of Brezhnev-speak when questioned about those spies recently arrested and expelled from the U.S. -- something along the lines of "nobody was harmed" and "we need these people in case order breaks down."

I think this guy wants to be a commie and a capitalist at the same time, so we could call his ideology Putinism. Well, now they have the chance to screw up both the Winter Olympics and the World Cup of soccer, and I'm sure they will do the usual bang-up Russian job on both of them.

Can't wait to see where Germany gets to play their games -- probably Vorkuta, it's a part of Russia with which many of their grandfathers will be familiar.

To paraphrase Chevy Chase:

Generalissimo Julian (Pain in the) Assange is still not dead enough yet.

If, let me fix his name first, AssHanged systematically releases documents country by country, we may eventually see who is pulling his strings, or gets pissed off the most. As he will eventually run out of countries to piss off or hide in; or heartbeats. I'm betting on the latter occurring sooner.

Assange is accused of "Sex by Surprise" in Sweden, punishable by a SKR5000 fine. And that's what an Interpol warrant was issued for? Don't think so.

Here's a theory....
As the Swedish leak shows, Sweden has been participating "secretly" in the war against terror. This Swedish warrant is a ruse to get him into custody; once he's arrested he's on a plane to Guantanamo.

@Oz
England & Sweden, both members of the EU, there is likely some reciprocity on extraditions built into EU rules.

"Well, now they have the chance to screw up both the Winter Olympics and the World Cup of soccer,"

worse than South Africa

If one admires Putin, libertarianness is sleeping.

@ Al the fish,
Extradition treaties usually exempt extradition for offences that don't contravene the laws of the host country or are based on political offences in the nation asking for extradition.

Beyond that, the nation asking for extradition has to provide reasonable proof that an offence has actually taken place.

@Oz, as I said since are both EU countries- there may be provisions within the EU framework that override your arguement.

@ Al the fish,
Cite the provisions or shut up.
"May be" can take a hike.

About Putin,

If you believe the media, what they say Putin says, remeber, they filter and omit as much as any other "news" they manufacture.

If you know things first hand, good. Otherwise be weary what you read.

Have hard time to put Putin on any scale so far.

About Putin,

If you believe the media, what they say Putin says, remeber, they filter and omit as much as any other "news" they manufacture.

If you know things first hand, good. Otherwise be weary what you read.

Have hard time to put Putin on any scale so far.

Assange tripped on his ego and died?

busy little murderous conservatists still at it:

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/12/03/wikileaks-assange-flanagan.html

what's that you say? we don't have tilted justice? ok to incite murder if you're in steve-o harpoons gubbamint?

ah, I see, only if someone embarrasses the bigshots by plastering their secret communications all over the school cafeteria bulletin board.

@OZ

Per your obnoxious form of a request, I did the research, and yes I was wrong.
Here you go:

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/judicial_cooperation_in_criminal_matters/l14015b_en.htm

And:

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/judicial_cooperation_in_criminal_mat
ters/l33167_en.htm

In brief, if a charge in an EU country can result in a period of confinement of at least 12 months minimum, the other EU country must comply even if it has no equivalent law.

But as you provided the link to the actual charge, since there is no jail term involved, Assange avoids extradition.

But you were also wrong in assuming the country where the accused is hiding has to have an equivalent law on its books, if we are talking England and Sweden.

@oz

FYI, I have provided a response that is awaiting clearance by our hostess Kate, as it includes links.

So hold on to your horses for a little while please.

Al the fish,
Why don't you cut and paste a small salient paragraph from one of your links here and I'll put it into Bing.
An alternate method would be to post single links as they are more likely to get through the spam filter.

Also, it helps to convert those single links to TinyURL.

felis corpulentis @1:23 - that seems about right. Of course the Eastern Europeans always go far too far in one direction. They want a Strong Man, a Tsar, an Uncle Joe!

But yeah, I basically want a government that does very little, very ruthlessly and very well. I guess Putin embodies the ruthless part.

Indy - hmmm, dunno. Maybe it's just a bad boy thing. I mean, Putin never baked me a gourmet cake in the dream kitchen he built me...

Ken @1:36 - I agree; but it is actually a South Park reference, and Indy started it.

Language warning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5UXwHD2YY

Tomorrows news: Assange dies in tragic accident: dies from massive blood loss from tragic fall on scissors that pierce him in throat. The nation morns...Next story please.

Still bad though. Ugly, unnecessary, juvenile, and it plays into the lefty stereotypes of the right. Stop it, Mark Matis. Stop playing to the lefties' stereotypes and trying to make us (by which I mean me) look bad.

In fact, are you a stealth-troll?

Orlin - I recken the stress will get to him. He'll commit suicide by shooting himself repeatedly in the back of the head.

Russia is awfully good at making people disappear.
And making Faberge eggs.
I wonder why Assange wasn't (ahem) dealt with before. Who can absorb a hit if it means someone else can't? Just asking.

they tuk er jerbbs!

@OZ, if you want life simpler, join the cradle to grave NDP.

You assume everyone is a computer savy as you make yourself out to be, well I am not. And I don't want to clog Kate's blog with paragraph upon paragraph in response to your brief request.

You want me to chew your bread for you too?

"But you were also wrong in assuming the country where the accused is hiding has to have an equivalent law on its books, if we are talking England and Sweden."
~Al the fish in MB

Not wrong at all, Al.

Article 4

Grounds for optional non-execution of the European arrest warrant

The executing judicial authority may refuse to execute the European arrest warrant:

1. if, in one of the cases referred to in Article 2(4), the act on which the European arrest warrant is based does not constitute an offence under the law of the executing Member State; however, in relation to taxes or duties, customs and exchange, execution of the European arrest warrant shall not be refused on the ground that the law of the executing Member State does not impose the same kind of tax or duty or does not contain the same type of rules as regards taxes, duties and customs and exchange regulations as the law of the issuing Member State;

Article 2

Scope of the European arrest warrant

4. For offences other than those covered by paragraph 2, surrender may be subject to the condition that the acts for which the European arrest warrant has been issued constitute an offence under the law of the executing Member State, whatever the constituent elements or however it is described.

The term "executing Member State" in this case would refer to the UK who would be executing the arrest/extradition warrant.

http://tinyurl.com/67flyh

wait till he pi$$e$ off the Mossad crowd, bye bye ASSange

@Oz, I missed that but you missed this, Article 2 Section 2 of the same document you provided the link to:

http://tinyurl.com/67flyh

"2. The following offences, if they are punishable in the issuing Member State by a custodial sentence or a detention order for a maximum period of at least three years and as they are defined by the law of the issuing Member State, shall, under the terms of this Framework Decision and without verification of the double criminality of the act, give rise to surrender pursuant to a European arrest warrant:

- participation in a criminal organisation,

- terrorism,

- trafficking in human beings,

- sexual exploitation of children and child pornography,

- illicit trafficking in narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances,

- illicit trafficking in weapons, munitions and explosives,

- corruption,

- fraud, including that affecting the financial interests of the European Communities within the meaning of the Convention of 26 July 1995 on the protection of the European Communities' financial interests,

- laundering of the proceeds of crime,

- counterfeiting currency, including of the euro,

- computer-related crime,

- environmental crime, including illicit trafficking in endangered animal species and in endangered plant species and varieties,

- facilitation of unauthorised entry and residence,

- murder, grievous bodily injury,

- illicit trade in human organs and tissue,

- kidnapping, illegal restraint and hostage-taking,

- racism and xenophobia,

- organised or armed robbery,

- illicit trafficking in cultural goods, including antiques and works of art,

- swindling,

- racketeering and extortion,

- counterfeiting and piracy of products,

- forgery of administrative documents and trafficking therein,

- forgery of means of payment,

- illicit trafficking in hormonal substances and other growth promoters,

- illicit trafficking in nuclear or radioactive materials,

- trafficking in stolen vehicles,

- rape,

- arson,

- crimes within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court,

- unlawful seizure of aircraft/ships,

- sabotage."

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The key phrase is "without verification of the double criminality of the act"- meaning a similar law must exist in both EU countries in question.

As the charge of "rape" excludes the double criminality clause requirement, it is now only how long a prison sentence Assange faces that could prevent extraditon. Given the step that rape was added to the charges and Sweden is providing that information to England, I think Assange is now facing extradition from any and all EU countries.

(If you want to defend Assange any more Oz, you find out what the potential prison term for rape is in Sweden. I don't speak Swedish, nor wish to gain first hand experience.)

End of copy/paste from me on this topic, apologies to Kate.

"double criminality of the act" is the European term for Double Jeopardy in the United States which means an accused can't be tried twice for the same act.
(in the European arrest/extradition law it means if he is tried in say, the UK, he can't be tried for the same act in Sweden)

Look it up and you'll find that, heh, you're wrong again, Al the fish.

Oh, and Assange isn't being charged with rape, the charge is "Sex By Surprise" which has no parallel in British jurisprudence.

"double criminality of the act" is the European term for Double Jeopardy in the United States which means an accused can't be tried twice for the same act.
(in the European arrest/extradition law it means if he is tried in say, the UK, he can't be tried for the same act in Sweden)

Sorry, I was wrong about dual/double criminality being the same as double jeopardy.
But still, Assange isn't being charged with rape in Sweden.
The charge is "Sex By Surprise".

So why is everyone so much more willing to wish death to Assange than to Manners, the soldier who treasonously took the documents in the first place? Is it because the latter is already behind bars, while the former is still out there somewhere?

Oh, and I forgot to add that the framework of European arrest/extradition warrant law forbids Sweden from delivering Assange to a 3rd party state like the United States or any other 3rd party state.

What it all comes down to is Assange says he had consensual sex and the complaintant claims she said no to sex without a condom but yes to sex with Assange.
It's a he said/she said standoff.

Even if you concede that the complaintant said sex had to occur under condition of wearing a condom, there is no physical evidence to prove that sex occured without a condom because the complaintant didn't lay a complaint until about a week later and there is no evidence of coercion.

I don't wish the death or imprisonment of Assange outside of the law.
The law either protects us all or it protects none of us.

I think it's long past time that there was whistleblower legislation passed in all civilized countries and I think our governments are too corrupt, too inaccessible, too elitist, too unaccountable, have too many secrets, and tax us too much.

@OZ

Fail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_criminality

I've got to go with Wiki ahead of Oz.

Double fail, from the link you provided on Dec 3 1:52pm (and may have been updated since you read it and posted it):

"The Matter concerning Julian Assange has been detained in his absence charged with rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion."

Sorry OZ, missed your first sort of mea culpa at 7:11, as I started my response research at 7:05 time, and didn't see it till after my prior post.

Expecting a second mea culpa from you now. No bitterness involved on my part, nor I hope yours.

The link was updated, and the charges were changed.

Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, said that the allegations against him were made after the two women he is alleged to have raped found out that he was in relationships with both at the same time. "Only after the women became aware of each other's relationships with Mr. Assange did they make their allegations against him," Stephens said in a statement.

I doubt he'll be convicted.

No, Al the fish, I don't hold grudges against people who largely hold the same views as my own.

Leftists, on the other hand...

Cheers and have a great weekend, Al.

@OZ

Assange's lawyer's statement is to be expected, its his job to say Assange is innocent.

"Doubt" is that like "maybe"? If so they can takes a hike together.

You have a good weekend too OZ, but on Assange we still differ at this point in time. (Leaving the possibility open that one of us changes position as new information becomes available.)

I think there won't be any "tomorrow headlines"
In October, Assange said that he will publish stuff on Russian government.
Then Russians described what they will do to him if he does publish it.
It is now December.
There is no publication, yet, and Assange is still alive.

"So why is everyone so much more willing to wish death to Assange than to Manners [sic], the soldier who treasonously took the documents in the first place? Is it because the latter is already behind bars, while the former is still out there somewhere?"

Hmm, yes. It is PFC Manning who apparently compromised this material; and if found guilty, he will be the only "treasonous" person here.

Assange hasn't done anything illegal that will stand up in any court of law outside the US (and I'm willing to bet the case would be pretty hard to prosecute even there - especially since the US news media is now openly reporting on the leaked documents too.)

Americans are understandably angry with Assange (personally, I find him a very unsavoury individual myself) but that's hardly grounds for calling for "executive action".

Now Wikileaks is talking about releasing bank information. Ironically, that might actually be their undoing: the confidentiality of financial information - unlike that of US diplomatic documents - is much more likely to be protected by national proprietary/contract laws in most countries.

Dave in Pa:

going back further in history, the attempted, nearly successful assassination of Pope John Paul VI)

Er, since there have been only two popes with the name "John Paul", don't you mean "going further into the future", after we've had JP's III, IV, and V?

A Russian official claimed that 10 pirates seized by Russian special forces aboard an oil tanker last week were quickly freed but then died on their way back to the Somali coast.

How does the saying go..."Fish or Cut Bait." Shark bait do doubt.

I still say Assange is taking a US government paycheck, but now I think the check is coming from the parts of the Big Washington Machine that don't like George Soros.