We may be winning but does this mean they will reclaim our fossil award and give it to Japan? Heck, I'm kinda proud of that award.

Does this mean the Japanese intend to kill Steffi's dog ?

I don't know how many times it has to be repeated, but the world has been receeding from the Ice Age for the last 10,000 years, punctuated by what geologists refer to as a "mini-Ice Age" 1,000 years ago, then it continued to receed. The glaciers are supposed to melt! The Canadian Shield was once one massive glacier until the Ice Age began to receed 10,000 years ago. Archaeologists have found entire ancient Native villages at the bottom of lakes in Canada, the result of the rising waters from the receeding Ice Age going on for millennia.

Climate change science is analogous to someone saying: "The sun rises in the East and sets in the West -- we have noticed this disturbing trend and how it discriminates against people who live in the East who never get to see a sunset! We must put a stop to this process."

Apparently after today... Instead of "Avon Calling", it will be "Avon Falling".

Watt's up with the first link Kate?

They aren't letting me have much fun on the site so they are pushing this crap again. Now I just work the moderater.

Isn't this the same as saying:
"Canada would be a lot warmer without November and December"

Gee, I am glad we have scientists to state the obvious.

"reliable" climate data?

BTW, Kate, the top link has an extra few characters in it, from what I can see.

Here is the link to the Guardian article that the report was based on: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/01/cancun-climate-change-summit-japan-kyoto

Japanese are not stupid.

The high end of a long-term rising trend is NOT "a new record". It's the high end of a rising trend.

AGW Progress Report: Supp-lies! Supp-lies?

No Grits Inquiry Launched in Blighty

Featuring a cameo appearance by our socialist weather maven "Mr. Quarmby".

Meet "Mr Quarmby, the chairman of the RAC Foundation and an independent Whitehall consultant, was brought in previously by the Labour government to rescue the beleaguered Millennium Dome project."

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"Why did Britain slide into snow chaos again?"

"An inquiry into how the freezing weather crippled Britain's transport network ordered by the Government"

"Much of the chaos across the country was blamed on a failure to grit the roads.

After the fiasco of last winter, Government agencies insisted that they had learnt from their mistakes. But the early snowfall caught them unawares."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8175167/Why-did-Britain-slide-into-snow-chaos-again.html

As expected the CBC parrots the press releases designed to create the feeling of crisis needed to justify Cancun - in total ignorance of what is happening that does not support their agenda.

Winning what? You don't even know what you're fighting for or against!

" The glaciers are supposed to melt!"

Why did they suddenly start melting at an exponential rate? Why is it so hard to fathom that the billions and billions of humans on this earth have SOME effect on the environment? ALL species affect their environment, there are thousands of examples of populations of species that get out of sync with the environment that supports them and guess what happens...the environment can't support them anymore and the population crashes. Why can that NOT be the case with humans?

I'll give this to you...you folks are very wishful thinkers.

I'm so glad we've finally achieved reliable climate data. Now, exactly when will the next category 2 hurricane strike the Gulf of Mexico? I need to fill up my car before they jack the gas prices again. Oh, and will it be a warm and sunny day when I retire on May 4th, 2035? I need to know if I should plan an indoor party or an outdoor one.

BTJ, it probably is. But the question is how much, and is what we are doing actually bad.

Think of is this way: at one point in our history the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide. It allowed plant life to flourish for millions of years until they scrubbed it out of the atmosphere to the almost insignificant levels we see today. And those plants stored the carbon underground, kind of a natural carbon sequestering. All we are doing is trying to restore the habitat for plants so they can flourish again. And then we'll all be better off.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/02/breaking-japan-refuses-to-extend-kyoto-treaty-at-cancun/

Here's the working link.

"Think of is this way: at one point in our history the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide. It allowed plant life to flourish for millions of years until they scrubbed it out of the atmosphere to the almost insignificant levels we see today. "

Your brief summary of the earth's history is lacking to say the least. Plants did not flourish until the evolution non-vascular plants, and truly not until the evolution of the flower. Early "plant" life that was responsible for changing the atmosphere was done by BACTERIA and other unicellular life forms.

"And those plants stored the carbon underground, kind of a natural carbon sequestering. All we are doing is trying to restore the habitat for plants so they can flourish again. And then we'll all be better off."

Wow, a pretty ridiculous comment. Let me ask you this....were there any humans around back then? Was animal life supported by that atmosphere?

NO, it wasn't. So what you're suggesting is that we are sacrificing ourselves for the sake of 'plants'? You've just stated that we are creating an environment that supports plants, but not humans...genius.

BTJ: We know exactly what we are fighting against: loss of freedom, loss of a way of life (which you enjoy as well), loss of democracy, loss of industry, loss of lifestyle, loss of funds....

Supporting Kyoto is an anti-human stance, or more specifically its a stance that mandates all humans to a global level of energy use and either you support the death of billions or doom the current billions to a "sustainable" level of poverty. Either case is an anti-human stance and there is no magical 3rd option where the unicorns somehow save us.

"earth have SOME effect on the environment?"

so f'ing what? what good is the earth if people are not here to enjoy it? What good are animals if people are not here to eat them? What good is oil if people are not here to burn it? What currency does Mother Nature accept? How much does she want?

Just a few questions to ponder BTJ. And here is something else. You ask "Winning what? You don't even know what you're fighting for or against!"

Well buddy, it seems it's you who doesn't know who or what they are fighting against. Consider this, even if you do convince people of the AGW theory, we still will not accept your solutions!!!! So like I said, "the world is warming, so f'ing what!".

"BTJ: We know exactly what we are fighting against: loss of freedom, loss of a way of life (which you enjoy as well), loss of democracy, loss of industry, loss of lifestyle, loss of funds...."

What the hell does all that have to do with climate change?

"Supporting Kyoto is an anti-human stance, or more specifically its a stance that mandates all humans to a global level of energy use and either you support the death of billions or doom the current billions to a "sustainable" level of poverty."

That's a ridiculous statement and a childish debating strategy...give two unfounded choices, neither of which are based on reality, and say that it must be one or the other.

Be better.

Do you understand the degree of difference between how your average American lives and how your average African lives? Do you understand that there is simply not enough resources or technology for most people on the earth to live at the level of your average American...it's impossible with today's reality.

But what if I don't care how the average African lives?

"But what if I don't care how the average African lives?"

I don't care, I wasn't conversing with you, you've just taken a statement completely out of its context.

Be better.

BJ:

Do you understand the degree of difference between how your average American lives and how your average African lives?

Yes.

Do you understand that there is simply not enough resources or technology for most people on the earth to live at the level of your average American...

That is patently false. You're confusing the standard environmentalist propaganda with reality. In fact, that is wrong on several levels. On one level, Americans (and America) are far more environmentally friendly than individuals in poor countries. Becoming richer actually reduces environmental impact. Secondly, there is no reason why the entire world could not live like Americans. The first world is about 1/3 of the world population. There is no reason why living standards cannot be raised for all.

Anthropomorphic global warming (or anthropomorphic climate change, or whatever weasel words you use for it) is a scam.

This post is great news. Now we have competition for the most fossil awards. Bring it on, Japan!

"so f'ing what? what good is the earth if people are not here to enjoy it? What good are animals if people are not here to eat them? What good is oil if people are not here to burn it? What currency does Mother Nature accept? How much does she want?"

That's exactly my point!! What good is it if we ruin it!!! What good is it if we alter the environment to the point where we can no longer reap its benefits?

"Consider this, even if you do convince people of the AGW theory, we still will not accept your solutions!!!!"

Simpleton...'your solutions'? What are you talking about? What group is this 'your'? And how am I apart of it?

AGW + Winter: Blighty has disappeared down Gaia’s hole.

Socialist Ikky-Iggy-leaked this via PET Cemetery Mole.

Fossil Awards cancelled at Cantcun.

Hit jpg and stand back!

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“UK Covererd in snow, for the second winter

Posted on December 2, 2010 by Anthony Watts

WUWT readers may recall this post from last year on January 8th, 2010
All of Britain covered by snow

Along with a stunning satellite image. Well, it has happened again, much earlier this year. See the newest satellite image below.”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/02/uk-covererd-in-snow-for-the-second-winter/#more-28783

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/uk_snow_dundeeuni.jpg

"That is patently false. You're confusing the standard environmentalist propaganda with reality. In fact, that is wrong on several levels. On one level, Americans (and America) are far more environmentally friendly than individuals in poor countries."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You are CLUELESS!!!!!! It's a fact, if everyone in the world lived like your average American we would need more than one planet. Americans...the ones who drive SUV's everywhere, eat burgers like they're going out of style, go so crazy for buying cheap crap that they trample each other to death (black friday 2009), who fly around the world, who have the largest military hands down and use it....they are more environmentally friendly than people who grow/eat enough food just to barely sustain themselves, who travel by foot, who have just enough clothes to get by? Are you completely delusional!!!???

"Becoming richer actually reduces environmental impact. "

This is only true when comparing developing nations who are developing the technology of decades ago, and developed nations who have had that technology for decades and are moving beyond.

"The first world is about 1/3 of the world population."

What, because there are 3 types of 'worlds' so each must make up about 1/3 of the population? There are 2.5 billion people living on less than $2.50 a day.

BTJ appropos of nothing, I'm still laughing over the news item I read three minutes ago.
Quatar will hold the World Cup in 2022 complete with air-conditioned outdoor arenas.
The world is nuts, BTJ. If you don't get used to it, you'll lose your sense of humour.

"If you don't get used to it, you'll lose your sense of humour."

In response, I propose that if you DO get used to it, you've lost your sanity.

Ottmar Edenhofer, UN IPCC Official says that COP16 isn't a climate conference, it's about the rebistribution of wealth from the developed world to the "developing" world.

http://tinyurl.com/2cluuyt

Forget arguing the "science" with trolls, it's about global Communism.
The "Climate Change" mantra is just a vehicle to bring about totalitarian Global Governance.

The darn trouble is BTJ doesn't have a sense of humour. Years ago Al Gore made up a joke about CO2 causing global warming. BJT hasn't caught on to it yet. BTW what ever happened to John Cross?

What we should do is just hold open meetings for "people who are concerned about polar bears" and offer some inducement, then round those suckers up and ship 'em off to the arctic where they can wait at designated polar bear feeding stations.

Problem solved.

4 billion years ago the Earth was just hot magma. I don't really care about that, nor do I care about what it was like 100000 years ago or 10000 years ago. If the Earth continues to heat up at this rate it will effect many more people than the end of the last Ice age 10000 years ago when there were only about 1,000,000 people on the planet

The earth isn't heating up.
Only the thermometers were.
It's called the URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.

Calm down and chill out because despite CO2 levels increasing, it's getting colder.
get a life and carry on as if you were normal.

You're welcome.

I think this is the moment when you juxtapose a temperature/time graph with a photograph of an official thermometer beside an air conditioner/heat exchanger.

coldest summer I can remember and some retard is telling me it was hot out there. I suppose the 2 blizzard in May and the one September apparently didn't happen.

"The earth isn't heating up.
Only the thermometers were.
It's called the URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT."

Ahhhh some reassurance from the great scientist named 'Oz'...what a joke. Here's a question for you...where are the urban heat islands in the artic?

The games in Quatar, well that should be a rousing blast, or hopefully the Jihadi's shall stay away?

As for the CBCCCCCCCCCCCCC, it's a shill for Climate Change, typical leftwing media beating the climate change band.

It's entirely appropriate the the facts on the ground are contradicting the electronic hysteria of the climate models. Locked as we are in a solar minimum, we can expect some years of brutal winters like this.

BTJ, of course humans have an effect on climate. The issue has always been the significance of those effects and whether they are positive or negative. The working assumption of all greens is that they are always large and negative, an allegation substantially undemonstrated.

Fundamentally in terms of basic physics, the model posed by the warmers of a climate dominated by positive feedback effects is insane in theory. It is also contradicted by earth history in fact.

Oz: quite right. It's always been about other agendas. Mo Strong, chair of the '92 Rio conference, and Gro Brundtland made it abundantly clear that the real goal was north-south transfer. That could only be achieved by near-total state control over both the economy and access to energy. This push gathered momentum for the lefties ever since it became apparent by the mid-1980s that the last great trial of state-controlled economies, Soviet style communism, was a massive failure in every respect.

Here's a question for you...where are the urban heat islands in the artic?
~BTJ

Right next to the temperature monitoring stations.
What's that you may say?
There aren't any urban centers in the arctic?
There aren't any temperature monitoring stations either, they were all shut down.

Can't be gathering data that would explode the CAGW myth now can we.

Arctic ice extent has been increasing for several years now.

where are the urban heat islands in the artic?

Here you go, skippy.

For a guy dedicated to the proposition that humans are affecting the global environment dramatically, you seem awfully averse to accepting that premise on a local scale.

You beat me to it cgh.

BTJ, you've been on this blog long enough and it seems to me that you're being deliberately obtuse with some of your statements, mainly the one at 3:42 which I was going to reply to until cgh summed it up nicely. The argument is, can we accurately quantify the effects and impact of humans on the climate system compared to the natural forces and processes of mother nature? Are the changes bad? Does it warrant the redistribution of billions of dollars by unelected bureaucrats? What is the redistribution solution supposed to achieve?

And on cbc Power and Politics show..Evan Solomon appears ready to break into a good crying jag after Tom Flanagan and John Ivison set him straight on climate change!

Oz @ 5:54 thank you for remembering that.

North of Saskatoon we have had the third cool summer in a row. It was warm with what are supposed to be normal temperatures the first week in May and then did not warm up again until later in August. For the second summer in a row we did not take our RV trailer to a park as it was just too cool for us old folks.

Quite feeding the Marxist troll. Rather someone provide the name of a reputable psychiatrist.

BTJ: "Do you understand the degree of difference between how your average American lives and how your average African lives?"

So, BTJ. You're imploring that we "do better". Therefore I must assume that you have undertaken to "do better" yourself.

Now that it's December, how are the car-tire flip flops, the hand-me-down cotton shorts and the torn t-shirt working out as you schlep water from the village well and roast your bush meat?

Walk the walk, man.

BTW, kudos to Japan. Too bad our own politicians do not have similar courage.

Oz: In regards to your 'urban heat island' explaining all temperature increases...it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What has caused the temperature to increase within these urban centers? These urban areas didn't just spring up over night, temperatures have been taken within them for some time, so what has made it increase? Has the concrete changed?

Not all the temperature readings are taken on a piece of concrete either genius, so explain all the other readings.

I can see that you've convinced yourself that the issue can be chalked up to a very simple explanation, and I'm sure that gives you some artificial piece of mind, but that's about all it is.

"Here you go, skippy."

Who would have thought that I'd get a link to Watt's Up! Do you people ever go anywhere else for information?

" Does it warrant the redistribution of billions of dollars by unelected bureaucrats? "

What the hell are you talking about? The only 'redistribution' I know of is the trillions of dollars of bailout money (tax payer's money) spent on such companies as GE, McDonald's, Harley Davidson, and a bunch of banks.

Please, inform me of this giant redistribution you're referring to.

"Now that it's December, how are the car-tire flip flops, the hand-me-down cotton shorts and the torn t-shirt working out as you schlep water from the village well and roast your bush meat?"

What in christ's name are you talking about?
Be better.

A fitting end to the AGW fraud. Those who were first to fall for the bunkum were first to reject it outright. Watch this start an avalanche of Kyoto tax-strapped nations bail on this unnecessary expense during an economic crisis.

But the true believers fight on. This worries me. People so thoroughly brain washed by AGW fraudsters they have the mentality of androids. They can't stop their hysterics over CO2 until reprogrammed. This makes me wonder what the next self destructive hysteria will be. The manipulators of public will are feeling good, if for no other reason than the legions of mindless androids they exploited with their pseudo-scientific mind melting propaganda.

BTJ, please don't be obtuse.
"These urban areas didn't just spring up over night, temperatures have been taken within them for some time, so what has made it increase?"

The energy and population density of urban environments has risen greatly over the past century, with most of the increase happening in the past 30 years. A purely localized effect, it has nothing to do with overall global temperature.

"Please, inform me of this giant redistribution you're referring to."

The Kyoto Protocol emissions trading mechanisms just to name one such system.

"Who would have thought that I'd get a link to Watt's Up! Do you people ever go anywhere else for information?"

Irrelevant. The only question of concern is whether or not it's right.

I'm amused by our "elites" and their inability to see what every normal person can see, that global warming is a scam invented by socialists to advance the spread of communism, and assisted by shrewd business tycoons who want to get knee deep in government grants to "advance" some phoney green economy that everyone knows will collapse (already is collapsing, apparently).

Sure, the planet has warmed up a fraction of a degree, but so what, weather patterns haven't really changed, sometimes it's warm, sometimes it's cold. Big f""n deal.

For this I have to spend my life black-listed and you have to pay double the taxes, just to keep some g-d windmill sitting on top of a hill shrouded in fog, not even turning because there's no g-d wind up there anyway, it's all blowing through the empty spaces in some premier's head.

Who would have thought that I'd get a link to Watt's Up! Do you people ever go anywhere else for information?

Nice rebuttal to facts that just blew your ignorant statement out of the water. But in answer to your dodge of a question, yes, I also visit climateaudit, the air vent, lucia's blackboard etc. But those tend to have math a pinhead like you wouldn't understand.

Be better.

These urban areas didn't just spring up over night, temperatures have been taken within them for some time, so what has made it increase?
~BTJ

Not overnight, but they did overrun the temperature monitoring stations within the time period(30 years) during which the supposed increase in temperatures demonstrate the "warming" occurred.

The effect is cumulative when the temperature changes are averaged out and no attempt had been made to adjust for the surrounding change which took place at the monitoring sites.

Basically, all of the temperature increase is explained by the UHI effect.
Rural situated thermometers showed no warming at all.

Ha! The Japanese see straight through the balderdash of CO2 'gassing the planet'.

AGW after the advent of Climategate is for those who adhere to a worn out ideology long after its due date.

The great post Communist swindle is appropriately dying on the vine. Tough luck George Soros, Mo Strong and all the other highly moneyed proponents who were backing this monstrous wealth siphon.

Matthew 7:26-27

"...like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."

The great AGW sandcastle is being swept away...SAYONARA AGW!!!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

I'm still wondering why I had snow on my lawn, in Southern Alberta, on the last day of summer, and some fool is trying to tell me we are having the warmest year ever!
I should believe him and not my lying eyes, my cold feet or the two feet of white stuff presently on my lawn!
By the way ever wonder what farmers think of this "warmest year ever"?
http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/kitsap/ckr/lifestyle/102588434.html

"The energy and population density of urban environments has risen greatly over the past century, with most of the increase happening in the past 30 years. A purely localized effect, it has nothing to do with overall global temperature."

You didn't answer the question...what does density have to do with ANYTHING!? If a thermometer is in an urban area, it's in an urban area...there shouldn't be any further change in temperature. How does an urban area expanding miles away from the thermometer affect the temperature at that thermometer?

What do you mean 'energy density'? If anything urban building materials have been improved so that they are more moderate in their heat conduction.

"The Kyoto Protocol emissions trading mechanisms just to name one such system."

Ok, go on....how does that compare to the trillions spent on bailouts?

"that global warming is a scam invented by socialists to advance the spread of communism"

AHAHAHAHAHA! What a bunch of kooky nonsense...those 'socialists' and their communist plot...let me guess, you lived through the cold war era? All those scientists are secret socialists plotting to spread communism

"Basically, all of the temperature increase is explained by the UHI effect."

BS...what sort of delusions of grandeur do you have going through your head? You don't think any body who's JOB it is to study these things has taken the UHI effect into account?

"The Japanese see straight through the balderdash of CO2 'gassing the planet'."

No, they're just one of the world's biggest per capita polluters, and they said outright that they're against Kyoto because the US and China won't commit.

Canada experiencing warmest year on record? Maybe Toronna. Which to the CBC is Canada. Its since reliable climate data has been collected. And that was when? I tell all the guys at work to leave your trucks running. We need to get global warming here a lot faster. Its friggin cold out.

Warmest decade ever? Remember the 80s? Got heat stroke and never fully recovered from it.

The warmists are getting their butts kicked at the CBC link. I also cannot log on to the comments section! This seems to happen a lot now on stories where the CBC story line is facing a huge reader credibility gap. I won't be surprised to see the sanitizing effect in order and the usual, "We are no longer accepting comments" schlock to appear quite soon.

There's a definite Nip in the air, now, in Cancun!

AGW Report. Not from Cancan't.

Compare/contrast "Battle" and "Help".

Key phrase:

"It's almost like being in a soup line during the great depression."

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"Applicants Battle Cold For Govt. Help

WSB News ^ | 12/2/10 | staff

(WSB Radio) -- Despite the freezing temperatures, hundreds fought for a place in line in Marietta to apply for federal aid to help pay their heat and power bills this winter. Only 30 people were being let in at a time at the assistance center in Marietta.

"It was freezing," applicant Linda Benefield told WSB-TV. "I was in line for three hours and 15 minutes, but I needed the help."

Some needed even more help just to deal with the cold. Ambulances were cold in and took at least two people to the hospital because of the freezing temperatures .

"People just couldn't stand the cold," said applicant Deandre Marshall. "They were not letting people in fast enough."

Marshall said people in line were crying, afraid they would not even get a chance to apply.

"I never thought I would be in the line," Marshall said. "It's almost like being in a soup line during the great depression."

The money is offered through a network of agencies in Georgia."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2636538/posts

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"Hundreds line up in the cold for help heating homes
ajc ^

As metro Atlanta's temperatures grow colder, the demand for heat is, well, heating up.

A day after hundreds of people queued up outside a Marietta community center to apply for assistance with heat and power bills, hopeful applicants began lining up again around midnight, waiting in the sub-freezing temperatures for the doors to open Thursday morning.

This time, however, officials let those in line come into the Mansour Center on Roswell Street an hour early at 7:30 and get relief from temperatures that dropped to 27 degrees.

“We’re freezing,” said Lecher Eady, a Marietta mother who arrived at midnight seeking help with her bills. “Our hands are cold, our feet are cold.”

Eady, the mother of triplets in diapers, said she has been out of work since August.

“I’ve had three jobs this year, and I’ve been laid off from all three,” she said. “I’m grateful just to get any type of help they’ll give me.”

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2636490/posts

"Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War.
[SNIP]
"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."
-Ottmar Edenhofer was the lead author for the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC), winner of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, deputy director and chief economist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research(PIK), and has been the co-chair of Working group III ("Mitigation of Climate Change") of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC) since September 2008

http://tinyurl.com/2cluuyt

If I suported CAWG and wasn't a Communist, I'd be angry for being played.
But that's only because I have some self respect.

"Ok, go on....how does that compare to the trillions spent on bailouts?"

Your bailout argument is nonsense. What gives a bunch of unelected bureaucrats from other countries the right to take our money and transfer it how they see fit?

"If I suported CAWG and wasn't a Communist, I'd be angry for being played."

This is one of your ongoing strategies, to mix politics and science into one issue. You can't argue against scientific fact by addressing the inadequacies and wrongs of politics. I never argued that events like the one in Cancun are productive or even address real climate issues. I argued that your BS UHI theory is part of a delusion of grandeur.

"What gives a bunch of unelected bureaucrats from other countries the right to take our money and transfer it how they see fit?"

How is the Kyoto protocol 'taking your money'? Please, you'll have to go into a little more detail than can be produced in single sentences.

Nice to see a straightforward, unashamed rejection of the AGW racket by a western government. But then again, any nation that could rebuild itself from devastation to world leadership in the short time Japan has, is serious, and rational, and truly committed to the right ideas. Too bad Obama is so crooked and or stupid that he refuses to recognize what Japan - an early Kyoto signer - has lately come to recognize: AGW is a scam, and an economy killer.

"Too bad Obama is so crooked and or stupid that he refuses to recognize what Japan - an early Kyoto signer - has lately come to recognize: AGW is a scam, and an economy killer."

Huh? The US hasn't signed onto Kyoto though! But hey, anything to take a jab at Obama right! Even if it makes no sense whatsoever.

The wheels of CBC propaganda machine are in full nonsense mode.

The report of the communist corporation means that the temperature fluctuates. Nothing more.

It does not prove or disprove anything. Of course the corporation is depending on the converts that read the article to take their word and run with it, mindlessly spread the nonsense to the other converts, as thought the sky is falling.

Since moving to Calgary two weeks ago there was nothing but stinking cold.

The country is heating up? Yeah they wish.

Hey everybody, clue in.

The jerk is Being The Jerk.

He has no interest in an intelligent discussion, just his teenage repostes, without any attempt at defending his (ridiculous) statements, nor responding to all valid points at him.

I look forward to the day, when we see an opponent on this board, with some intelligence, not adolescent idiocy, like The Jerk

Lenin is to have said that business would sell him the rope with which he could hang them with. So it is not surprising that some business would get involved in this scam.

Maybe someone could explain the money transfers through the carbon credit trading scam that has collapsed in Chicago and involved in charges of fraud in Europe.

Who's the 'we' in we're winning?

A) Hypocritical lemmings too lazy to research, and thus always believing their idols
B) Informed people who take the time to research information from the source

I can remember some hot years in Canada, and 2009 and 2010 was not one of them. Not even close. Wettest maybe but not hottest. How can they just outright lie like that.

I think your WUWT link is broken

Ummmmmmm.The idiots here are the ones who respond to the troll,BTJ.
I am glad though that Kate allows it to post.Good for a laugh.

AGW Report: Our guest leaker in Yurrip is our wikkywacky Kyoto rapporteur, Canada's Liberal MP Citoyen-of-the-World Kyoto Dionky.

Say hello to Canada, Kyoto.

Oooowoooooccccold ...-

"Northern Europe counts cost of big freeze"

"LONDON - Heavy snow caused travel chaos across much of northern Europe on Thursday, keeping London’s Gatwick airport closed for a second day and disrupting road and rail travel in France, Germany and Switzerland.

Days of sub-zero temperatures and snow in Britain, beginning in Scotland and northern England and moving south, have halted flights and trains and could be costing the economy 1.2 billion pounds ($1.87 billion) a day, according to insurer RSA."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/12/02/16402106.html

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Meanwhile:

at "the COP16/CMP6.", aka

"the 16th edition of Conference of the Parties of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (COP) and the 6th Conference of the Parties serving as the meeting of the Parties to the Kyoto Protocol (CMP)."

"The Con in Cancun: UN Climate Change Summit Update"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2636463/posts

Kate's link takes you to WUWT, then click his home page. The story of Japan's decision is there.

We are (slowly) winning the battle against the propaganda and government intrusion in our lives.

"This is one of your ongoing strategies, to mix politics and science into one issue."

Right there, BTJ, is where you revealed your ignorance.
Ever heard of Al Gore?

Wrong, Justthinkin. It is essential to always provide at least a brief counter to the trivia from idiots like BTJ. Otherwise they can rest comfortable in their fantasy that there is no answer to their tripe.

Good to see that the Japanese government is rejecting the AGW extortion scheme. China and Russia are disbelievers and I expect that other countries might find excuses to dump it soon.

When CBC announces that 2010 was the hottest year on record, my BS meter immediately goes off the scale. South central BC had a nice winter, but a summer which wasn't even close to what I would consider hot for this area. My trip to Alberta in July was way colder than I expected and I'm not sure if it ever stopped raining in S. Alberta this summer as it rained every day I was there. Were the record high "Canadian" temperatures from a thermometer beside an air conditioner in CBC's Toronto office?

The same CBC that didn't think that climategate was newsworthy last year has zero credibility when they report temperature data. People disbelieve them and a lot of people where I now live would really like some of that global warming we're supposed to be having.

one-by-one and slowly but surely they are getting on the ol" Willie Koyote look about them.

The purported facts of this story are attributed to "the World Meteorological Association"...well, that's pretty authoritative. QED, I guess.

What's this you say? The WMO website (www.wmo.int) says that "the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations".

I guess that kinda takes the polish off the story, eh? Sort of like having Al Gore say that Al Gore isn't a fat sack of crap.

I agree loki. We never had a summer in Sask either.
I'd like to have a look at the temperature records at Environment Canada. If I see a whole string of summer temp highs of 98.6 F, it will confirm that they really are pulling their data outta their ass!

As much as it distresses me to point out the merit of BJT expressing his stupidity....it does inspire some to further inform the uninformed, in the futile persuit of informing the troll.

Tis an ill wind.....

Why are you people feeding the troll? It hasn't made a single cogent argument about anything since it started stinking the place up.

Japan's economy is for crap, their population is aging, and the North Koreans are looking like Trouble, capital T. I'd guess they just can't afford to go along with the gag anymore. ClimateQuiddick gave them a chance to call BS! on the whole Kyoto Protocol redistribution scheme, and now they've taken it.

Yay!

Let's see, it snowed right up until the end of May, then started snowing again in September, and I think we had two days over 30 degrees in Edmonton. Some "hottest summer". It's a complete lie.

To try to educate BJT on the urban heat island: Way back in the 60s they put up all these weather stations close to cities where it was convenient to go and physically collect the data. Over time the cities grew and what was once a weather station outside of town was now a weather station well within the city.

The data collection method might now be digital and wireless, and the location is the same, but the characteristics of the location have changed dramatically, particularly over the last 30 years. What was once a weather station in an open meadow five miles out of town is now a weather station next to an air conditioner in an asphalt parking lot several kilometers inside the city.

The vast majority -- something like 80% -- of weather stations in North America are unsuitable for long-term climate monitoring due to this effect.

hey kate, the watts up with that link isn't working, fyi

Summer 2010: Wettest on Canadian Prairies in 60 years!

Abstract: The May-July period over the Canadian Prairies in 2010 was the wettest in 60 years and possibly 100 years. April to September of 2010 brought more than 150% of normal rainfall to the prairie grain-growing region.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CMOS-DEC2010-PrairieFloods.doc

Until and unless Kate fixes the link, you can do it yourself. At the end of the URL you'll find a string that looks like this:
-treaty-at-cancun/

Just remove it, and viola!

This works........

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

"But hey, anything to take a jab at Obama right! Even if it makes no sense whatsoever."

Absolutely!!!!

Proper link for 1st article
http://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=Japan+refuses+to+extend+Kyoto+treaty+at+Cancun

My argument against globull warming is that during the Medieval Warm Period temperatures were higher then than they are today and there was no huge population to cause the warming.
So if you can't blame globull warming on humans then why is it OK to blame them today?

Just asking!

End of discussion.

I'm burning up!!!!

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/fourteenday/cabc0308

You folks don't understand. If its warm in Toronto, that is Canada!!
The rest is just hinterland.
JMO

I'm been a windsurfer for 30 years in Alberta. This year, without a doubt was the coolest year I've sailed. The warmest year was 1988, that year I started sailing in March, and the last day was Dec 23. This year was late May and the last day was late October and it was full suit all summer. I'll go by the temperature of balls before I believe byte of their data.

BTJ you're forgetting some facts. According to the AGW bible, in the beginning, scientists said let there be an inevitable environmental catastrophe that will affect all of mankind. On the second day of AGW creation, scientists said, let the inevitable environmental catastrophe be the result of cows farting - releasing toxic levels of methane gas that destroy the ozone layer. You see, according to their bible, originally it was not humans at all - nope - none of the 6 billion of us were responsible - it was them darn cows that started it.

Ironic that the KYOTO protocol has been repudiated by the Japanese.
A little nip in the air-indeed!

good one albertus; but any attempt at humor or facts and logic WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, by the "tolerant" ones on the left, Btj will not stand for such. Dope takes its toll as he proves.

Phantom and others

This issue has been discussed to death. Troll feeding in this case is tantamount to bragging. Can we 'simpletons' not have some fun?

Sorry Kate.

BTJ: The US did sign Kyoto, it was their elected senate that decided not to ratify it. Silly things like elected officials charged with things call constitutions...

"Who's the 'we' in we're winning?": simple those of us who enjoy the western life style and don't want to enter into a massive wealth transfer system that will not improve the environment.

EVEN if you believe in AGW, kyoto does NOTHING to limit GLOBAL CO2. It stems energy production from the most efficient users and grants it to the least out of some ideal of fairness.

As much as BTJ would like to bash the American way of life (which by the way Canadians like him do worse), the Americans produce the most wealth per CO2. GDP per Co2 is the perfect measure of efficiency, as soon as someone uses the per-capita basis they are damming the "2.5 billion on $2.5 a day" to that forever.

I'm not going to be the one who demands the rural population of China and India not better their way of life. That is the anti-human aspect BTJ glossed over before, fighting climate change demands not that the US and the west cut by emissions it demands that global CO2 decrease, there for not only does the west need to decrease but India and China need to stop growing, damming the populations to their current or worse lifestyle.

Let's ignore the climate concern troll and have fun with names. BTJ?

Better than Japs
Bugger the just
Beat the jews
Bleat the junkscience
Blogger tries journOlism
Back to Jurassic
Back Taliban Jack

Feel free.

Duffman, two slight changes to your post. The US is part of the UNFCCC, which is why it participates in the COP conferences. Al Gore signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1998 on behalf of the US government. The Senate did not reject it. President Clinton never tabled it before the Senate for ratification. He knew all too well that given the Byrd Resolution it had not a chance of passing.

However, the Senate has been entirely free to pick up the Kyoto Protocol at any time and table it for ratification all on its own. It has never chosen to do so even with the Democrat super-majority in the Senate over the past two years.

Albertus, the Japanese rejection of Kyoto was inevitable. They are feeling the heat the most of any of the Umbrella Group nations from their Asian neighbors in economic and industrial competition. Keeping Kyoto permanently in place would wreck the Japanese economy, given that they alone have carbon quotas as an Annex 1 country.

Timing is important here. The key agreement for Kyoto came at the 2000 COP conference in the Hague. Remember that 2000 was a US Presidential election year, which meant the US would be a non-factor in any of this. With no ratification by the US, the Umbrella Group was reduced to Canada, Japan, US and Australia. There were two sessions of COP 5 held six months apart because the first session failed to agree on the terms of the KP. Between the first and second sessions, the US indicated it would not be seeking ratification, which meant that it dropped out of the negotiations. The second session reached agreement when Canada backed down, leaving just Japan and Australia in opposition. As a result, the EU got its way.

And the Minister of Foreign Affairs responsible for establishing Canada's negotiating position and for the Canadian sellout? Come on down, Lloyd Axworthy.

Since Japan was the last nation to agree to the terms of the Kyoto Protocol at COP it is therefore not surprising that it's the first to say no to any extension.

Bartinsky- You are correct. Any attempt at humour will be met by a sobering screed by cgh et al.

"Right there, BTJ, is where you revealed your ignorance.
Ever heard of Al Gore?"

What the hell are you talking about!!! Where did I say that Al Gore is my hero, that's he's doing good things, or even doing anything productive at all! He fuels all this crap, to jump on that crap boat isn't the answer obviously, and neither is to jump on the opposing crap boat.

The separation of science and politics is what I'm aiming at here.

"Japan's economy is for crap, their population is aging"

Ah, yes, you've hit upon another reason for their rejection...they have a very, very strict immigration policy and are attempting to solve their economic and population problem with technology...robots to be exact.

"Way back in the 60s they put up all these weather stations close to cities where it was convenient to go and physically collect the data. Over time the cities grew and what was once a weather station outside of town was now a weather station well within the city."

BS...any examples?

"simple those of us who enjoy the western life style and don't want to enter into a massive wealth transfer system that will not improve the environment."

What in christ's name are you talking about?! The only wealth transfer going on, that I'm aware of, is the trillions of dollars going from tax payer pockets, to the wealthy elite's pockets (McDonald's, Banks, GE, etc).

"As much as BTJ would like to bash the American way of life "

Quote me, next time any of you simpletons state that I've taken some stance, quote me! Pointing out the facts about the quantity of resources available to the human race is not taking a subjective opinion.

"I'm not going to be the one who demands the rural population of China and India not better their way of life. That is the anti-human aspect BTJ glossed over"

Huh???? China is going mad with green energy right now...because they HAVE TO...they have to be as efficient as possible and use any and all energy sources available to meet growth demands. You use the same argument as a number of folks here...give two options and only those two, make them polar opposites and offer no discussion between the two. It's weak and it's for children.

Are there any adults in here?

Are there any adults in here?

Quite a few, plus one troll.