The intelligence community can't find Bin Laden either.

Maybe the clever fellow changed his name to:

BIN DOWN LOADIN' !!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

The very first Wiki Leak evah

How long before they call Rush racist for predicting that Eric Holder would rush to defend rapper's property rights?

Cal:

I predict bleety-mouth will show up this morning, screaming about "coded racism".

Cal:

I predict bleety-mouth will show up this morning, screaming about "coded racism".

Activists (NOT GOVERNMENT!) should start flooding wikileaks with "leak" after "leak". All would be very official looking and convincing but utterly false.

Post anonymous untruths about Hollywood celebrities who will go spastic and use their expensive lawyers to attack wikileaks.

Do it until wikileaks' crdibility is so shot that they could photocopy the dictionary and post it and no one would believe them.

"Can you imagine if WikiLeaks, if these guys would start offering illegal rap CDs for download? Why, we would be jumping into gear so fast to get this guy behind bars, he wouldn't know what hit him."

Not quite. Sorry Rush, it's a lame analogy.

US classified documents aren't copyrighted products like rap music. Unless passed to another country by the US government,* they have no legal status at all under that country's laws.

Their compromise is wholly a US security problem.

No country on the face of the earth is going to enforce another country's espionage laws and security regulations. That would be absurd.

* And you might notice many of these documents are further caveated "NOFORN" or "N/F" meaning for US eyes only. Such documents would not be - indeed, could not be - shared with other countries.

Maybe they should copyright the communications.

I'm just disappointed that there isn't a spec of truth in the Ludlum books. If ever there was a needed introduction, it's Bourne and Assange.

But, here's a twist, folks. The content of the latest "leaks" amounts to a condemnation of the American left's foreign policies and a (partial) vindication of the right's: see this must read from Lee Smith. (via Powerline)

So now, who's behind the leaks? Who benefits most? (Hint: they populate a tiny country in the Middle East and they run everything.) /sarc

Julian Assange. Useful idiot?

Gary Anderson, Let's Detain Assange

Has the founder of Wikileaks become an enemy combatant, and if so, is he a legitimate military target? Julian Assange made a conscious decision to release wartime classified information on his website to the general public. Some of that information is being used by the Taliban to hunt down Afghan individuals who were named as sources for U.S. and Afghan intelligence organizations. At this writing, we don’t know how many of those people have been killed or harmed, but they are definitely at risk. This goes beyond the normal exercise of the human right of free expression, and it also goes far beyond journalistic irresponsibility; but has it crossed the line that would cause Assange and his staff to be considered to be enemy combatants in the War on Terror? I believe that it has....

How hard are they going to come down on Americans who want to grow their own gardens?

Senate Bill S 510 PASSED! 74 to 25, The Government now makes you a criminal for growing your own.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/283/571/Senate_Bill_S_510_PASSED_74_to_25,_The_Government_now_makes_you_a_criminal_for_growing_your_own_GARDEN_R_U_HAPPY_YET.html

They hate us for our freedoms or something like that.

This guy has to be shut down pronto -- floating face down in a river -- whatever. It's the same problem identified by Kissinger wrt the Paris peace talks and the leaks in the Nixon administration i.e. it is completely impossible to carry out diplomacy when the parties with whom you are in discussion are rightly concerned that whatever they've discussed with you in confidence will turn up two days later on the 6:00 o'clock news.
That being said, it seems that much of what's coming out is stuff that's already known or knowable to reasonably astute observers e.g. the Saudi's wish for the US or the Israelis to take out Iran's nuclear facilities. The scenario described to me by a colleague recently returned from Israel is that the Saudis would give Israel use of Saudi airspace with, presumably, US or US leased air to air refueling for one attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities. Afterward the Saudis would engage in the predicted condemnation and foot stomping etc about the "violation" of their air space for the benefit of domestic consumption. The key was that the Israelis would get only one shot. A repeat attempt would give away Saudi/Israeli collusion.

Ah! Yes!

Civil Disobedience-

Let me tell you what it cost just for sticking a banana down your pants at the airport.

$10,000 thousand dollar fine or 1 year in prison, or both-

My lawyer fee was 300 dollars and I grew up next door to the bastard/good friend.

And my court costs were 280 dollars.

$580.00 dollars for a drunken joke at the taser/airport lobby.

WikiLeaks released hundreds of thousands of top secret documents and they have done nothing.

Piss on Obama!

Not 'indeed' at all. Those are apples and oranges.

What about the New York Times? They have assuredly aided and abetted the offence, if not participated in a common unlawful design. After all, they, Der Spiegel and the Guardian have sponsored and promoted the leaks as a marketing tool.

(Via Weekly Standard) Marc A. Thiessen, Obama administration is weak in the face of WikiLeaks

Four months ago, the criminal enterprise WikiLeaks released more than 75,000 stolen classified documents that, among other things, revealed the identities of more than 100 Afghans who were cooperating with America against the Taliban. The Obama administration condemned WikiLeaks' actions. The Justice Department said it was weighing criminal charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. The Pentagon warned that if WikiLeaks did not stand down and return other stolen documents it possessed, the government would "make them do the right thing."

And then nothing happened....

With this latest release, Assange may now have illegally disclosed more classified information than anyone in American history. He is in likely violation of the Espionage Act and arguably is providing material support for terrorism. But unlike leakers who came before him, Assange has done more than release information; he has created a virtual system for the ongoing collection and dissemination of America's secrets. The very existence of WikiLeaks is a threat to national security. Unless something is done, WikiLeaks will only grow more brazen - and our unwillingness to stop it will embolden others to reveal classified information using the unlawful medium Assange has built....

"Senate Bill S 510 PASSED! 74 to 25, The Government now makes you a criminal for growing your own."

That would be infringing on the jobs of illegal aliens and that just won't do. Their union is apparently stronger than the American constitution, but then we already knew that.

Psst wanna by some hot house tomatoes?

"Do it until wikileaks' crdibility is so shot..."

Umm. That's already happened.

Why are we, Canadians, supposed to give a damn about the difficulties and embarrassment of the US government employees who can't keep their mouth shut?

Why am I expected to have emotions about someone exposing dirty underwear of the 'world leaders' who are making disparaging remarks about each other?

I don't understand this obsession with killing a person for what newspapers do every day with only difference in time span of publishing.

Honestly, one more post like this and I am filing a complaint with RCMP about incitement to murder.

I won't allow discrediting all things conservative for the sake of venting one's mouth anymore, Kate. You are dangerous for conservatism because you are plain outright STUPID.

... or malicious.

"Senate Bill S 510 PASSED! 74 to 25, The Government now makes you a criminal for growing your own."

That would be infringing on the jobs of illegal aliens and that just won't do. Their union is apparently stronger than the American constitution, but then we already knew that.

Psst wanna by some hot house tomatoes?

No

They will be redirected and employed on massive corperate industrial farms for cheap labour.
Who do you think is lobying the crooks in Washington to put this bill through?

Can you say Monsanto?

Anyone else notice how CBC breathlessly repeat all the leaks pertaining to Canada. When the climate change scandal was happening, they completely ignored the story for as long as possible. Something about the leaks being illegal.
These are quite another thing.

@jjm Sorry, all documents are automatically copyright at creation. The copyright owner in US government documents is oddly enough the US government. Publication by others, such as politically correct suburban snobs, effete eastern liberals, or slimebucket, scoffing, sneering, academics, or sleazebag spies, or other traitors, fellow travellers and scum, does not change ownership.
Wikileaks is not opposed, for the same reason Chamberlain did not oppose Mussolini, Hitler, or Franco, that is Wikileaks is doing what Obama, Hillary, Holder & co want.

JJM and Aaron. Rush was making the point of the serious difference between the Holder DOJ handling of pirate web sites, and that of Wikileaks and its founder Assange.

Lame analogy? Apples and oranges? Yes! Exactly the point Rush was making.

The Holder DOJ is all over pirate sites, shutting down something on order of 70 of them. Presumably they're also taking action against the purveyors of those sites. Legitimate actions under U.S. copyright law.

However, no similar action (beyond expressing outrage at staged pressers) is being taken to shut down Wikileaks or indict Assange under espionage charges.

Which is more egregious? Copyright violations? Or, espionage acts in a time of war? Issuing an idictment on Assange would make his life very, very uncomfortable.

> Which is more egregious? Copyright violations? Or, espionage acts in a time of war?

US is always at war. How convenient! When you have hands in the pockets of all 350 million people and power to print as much money as you need, treason becomes a technicality.

Again, why am I supposed to emphasize with the difficulties of a completely corrupt regime, which stomped the constitution and the freedoms of Americans? They lost the records, a reporter published them. How is that different from a newspaper?

I also find it extremely hard to emphasize with the American people (although my heart bleeds for them) because they are not fighting for their freedoms. They let their balls be groped, they go to jail and post on the blogs - that's all. We in Eastern Europe did not have 2nd amendment, but we can teach them a few lessons in freedom.

That's exactly why I am so appalled by the thinly veiled calls to Assange's assassination. Perhaps I value human life more than Kate?

And all they're charging Manning with is the Lady Gaga disc he ripped.

"@jjm Sorry, all documents are automatically copyright at creation. The copyright owner in US government documents is oddly enough the US government."

"However, no similar action (beyond expressing outrage at staged pressers) is being taken to shut down Wikileaks or indict Assange under espionage charges."

What naive nonsense. Assange isn't American. He doesn't live in the US. US government classified documents have no foreign legal status other countries are bound to uphold (unless they received these documents in confidence from the US government itself).

Look at it this way: if I live in Miami, and a refugee just off the boat from Havana hands me a batch of classified Cuban foreign ministry files, there's nothing to stop me posting these to my website - the writ of Cuban espionage laws doesn't extend to the US.

"We in Eastern Europe did not have 2nd amendment, but we can teach them a few lessons in freedom."

Oh please.

Have you forgotten all those puppet fascist regimes during World War Two and the almost 50 years of communism which followed?

Exactly. Remember what happened to Chaushesku?

"Remember what happened to Chaushesku?"

On this thread you have threatened to call the authorities over a post you didn't like, and you've also run your mouth about what you would or would not allow on this website. And all this on someone else's tab.
Yes, I know what happened to Ceausescu - he is presently inhabiting the cramped mind and soul of someone called Aaron.
Must be that eastern bloc socialist mentality surfacing - it lingers still.

> On this thread you have threatened to call the authorities over a post you didn't like

Maybe this will be a wakeup call that will turn this blog around and bring things important to the Canadian small 'c' conservatives back on topic?

Such as Harper's government blessing RCMP to prohibit Norinco Type 97A rifle and confiscation from the owners?

But keep your heads in the sand, enjoy watching tractors driving past your windows, and god forbid never let memories of Bruce Montague in jail to disturb you. Sweet dreams!

Brilliant comment. Hillary should get the music industry after this guy. They would chase him to the ends of the earth. (and fine anyone who read the leaks)

Brilliant comment. Hillary should get the music industry after this guy. They would chase him to the ends of the earth. (and fine anyone who read the leaks)

Eh. I don't particularly want Assange dead, but I wouldn't shed any tears if someone offed him. To say that Kate is "inciting to murder" is pure hyperbole. Considering the number of nations that he's embarrassed - some of which place a rather low value on human life - I'm also rather surprised that he's still alive.

If the MSM even tried to do their job this would not happen.All this material should be brought into the light of day.Face it mushrooms they lie and people die and that is the truth.

Interestingly enough both the wiki-leaks and music industry examples show the same fascist face of the US government. In the music industry the punishment is way over the top for the crime mostly because of lobbyists. Though I can not condone the release of sensitive information that may put Innocent people at risk. It does seem a little disingenuous to rush to the defense of a government that has been up to a lot of unseemly business in the name of the people.

There are no good guys in this story.

it is completely impossible to carry out diplomacy when the parties with whom you are in discussion are rightly concerned that whatever they've discussed with you in confidence will turn up two days later on the 6:00 o'clock news.
- DrD

I know, I'm far too cynical, but maybe the world would be far better off with far less diplomacy. After all it's just the global criminal class chatting amongst themselves co-ordinating how to fkuc us over and good.

This farm bill is scary (a word I don't use much). Clearly, we have a Bolshevist-style US government now whose methodolgy is a bit more subtle than Stalin's: destruction by regulation, starvation by regulation, griding down the gears of an industrial economy with the Sand of Sunstein.

Knock-off Gucci bags and Rolex watches pose a serious threat to US security.

Not like Julian Assange, who does not sell registered trade marked secrets.

Kevin says: "Interestingly enough both the wiki-leaks and music industry examples show the same fascist face of the US government. In the music industry the punishment is way over the top for the crime...)

The technical term for " the crime " is theft, and what interesting rationalization can you offer to condone theft? Your good times are more important than someone's livelihood? How do you feel about theft perpetrated against you? Grow up.

small c conservative

The point is not that it should be legal but what is the proper punishment. Should someone loose their house because their kids downloaded something off the internet.

http://brainz.org/14-most-ridiculous-lawsuits-filed-riaa-and-mpaa/

Peter Pan is Good. I always thought he looked like a Gay anemic Vampire.

What some (I assume also Rush) forgets is that the state works for the people, and therefore everything the state does must be open to the people's scrutiny.
Hence, if these leaks results in exposure of incompetence, dishonesty, and suspect back-door deals, I am all for it.

(And of course this has absolutely nothing to do with copyrights or IP protection.)

We can only hope also Russia's, China's, other state's cables are soon made public too. This is what we should encourage and strive for, not shut down (or even kill) this particular whistle blower.

"I always thought he looked like a Gay anemic Vampire."

I always thought he looked like an albino gay anemic vampire.

Alex is the voice of reason on this thread. We're scr*wed.

Even a blind pig finds the odd acorn, Mamba. :)