Mr Chetien, like Trudeau and Martin was simply anti-American. The rest of thier revisioniist warped ideology I leave to the Toronto Star and the CBC.

Nobody forced them into a war. They knew the risks when they signed up for a free education. Now they would forfeit their own honor for security of person. While shafting the people who supplied an education. We used to in an old Nation Called Canada. Call folks like this cowards. Long, long, before another coward of distinction, Trudeau. Refused to fight, while he wore Nazi regalia with his usual contempt. Codified Treason with timidity. Trying to think or make decisions based on EMOTIVE intuitive thought. Rather than LOGIC with common reasoning. Now all thats left is Legally sanctioned multicultural favoritism.
A police force intimidated by any minority group to the point of idiocy. Unelected Judges making laws that steal liberty from most, to sate the angst of the few.
People who are not willing to not stand up against evil. Are fore doomed . Swallowed by the moral blackness it engenders.
No to draft dodgers. After all for every faint heart who comes here. One of our boys takes a bullet in his stead.
JMO

There is no such thing as an illegal, or for that matter, legal, war. There is war. Period. After all, who has the higher authority to define a war as legal or illegal?

There IS such a thing as a just or unjust war, but that decision belongs to the governments who declare and carry out the war..and to later historians who analyze it.

As for someone signing up, in a volunteer army, and then, individually deciding whether or not to actually comply with the requirements of the job, namely, a military action - that is untenable.

No military can have its members individually decide whether they will or will not participate in that military. In a volunteer army, such an action is immoral. Yes, immoral, because to sign up in a military system - and the military by definition is a system that goes-to-war, and then, refuse to go-to-war, is immoral. Why sign up?

Ahh..for the benefits. For the free education. But to accept the benefits without accepting one's duty to go-to-war in that military, is immoral. It means that you took something from the taxpayer, knowing that you were obliged to give something in return in this particular system - and you refused.

Yep definitley a legal UN sanctioned military action. It not a manner of honour but a matter of LAW.
One of the things that hobbled the Russian army's effectiveness during the October Revolution of 1917 was not some much desertion as the effects of the "Soldier Soviets"(counsels). Everytime it seemed an action loomed, offensive or defensive,...the silly fools had a meeting.....
Leon Trotsky brutally suppressed that notion in the Red Army.....hesitation was not a court martial offence.....it was bang...summarilly, instantly, administered on the spot by the commissar(s).
BTW in the 1960's for every US CO/DD/D (conscientious objector/draft dodger/deserter) that fled to Canada it is estimated 10-20 Canadians mustered south.....

It does not matter if the UN sanctioned it or not. The US Congress DID , AND funded it!
Any US military personnel refusing to fight on that basis alone is now a deserter period.
Having the UN resolution passed in October of 2003 only RE-inforces what always was a LEGAL war. Any dem rhetoric to the contray is just that: rhetoric.
There has been so much lying by the left and the international community for so long it is hardly any wonder that many think otherwise. It is in our own best interests these days to get informed and stay that way. Otherwise we will find we have been defeated in areas we did not even suspect, like the classroom and the minds of our own children and grand-children.

Conscientious objectors don't join a volunteer armed force (in Germany, where there is still conscription, they can join the ambulance service), draft dodgers are not much of a factor these days but if one waits until getting the notice before leaving - in nations with a draft - that is shirking a national duty; leaving before getting the call is simply exercising one's personal judgement at a young age. Desertion was, and should be, a capital offence and any showing up at our borders are common criminals.

Coming up on Labour Day there will be commemorations hereabouts for "labour hero" Ginger Goodwin who was shot by the BC Constabulary while hiding in the bush to evade the draft. Draft dodging was a capital offence in WWI and the sentence was appropriately executed (fine choice of word) in this case - Goodwin had led a strike while the nation was at war so he was a traitorous SOB as well as a draft dodger.

Didn't you hear, the war is over so they can all be sent back home. The muslims have requested americans to treat all muslim deserters to the full extent of the law re deserters, no compassion etc.
If the muslims can do it why can't canadians.

Aviator, do you live on VCr Island. Don't you know Ginger Goodwin is highly exalted here in the Comox Valley. (spit) Almost to a demigod state. Mostly by L3's and aged hippies. What a bunch of maroons.

mike

I lived through the Vietnam War and all the bullshit from the draft dodgers that moved here to Canada. I was disgusted then and am disgusted now. These people are nothing but cowards. It is interesting to note that a lot of them are still here and are some of them are the biggest shit disturbers going. And all of you know exactly who is to blame.

"I think Trudeau is a Communist"- Ronald Reagan

"Canada's Prime-Minister Trudeau is a Communist
Richard Nixon.

Attributions to those quotes upon request.

Mary T, the dark suspicious side of me says that the muslim leadership wants our military to have lots of "sleeper" soldiers in the ranks for when the time is right. The, "don't worry be happy" side of me says it's all ok.

mike

you got yer draft dodgers and you got yer deserters...

they're different animals...

there's no draft now but i never had no problem with draft dodgers...i DID have a problem with supporting them morally and financially when they arrived here back in the day..

but as for deserters?...sorry friend..you signed on the dotted line...work within the system to excuse yerself from whatever bothers you about the military but you signed a solemn covenant on your honour which it goes without saying was to fulfill a contract..

sadly you see...nowtimes younker people have no respect for the word of law NOR do they have any sense of obligation to preserve their honour...

a man's word is a negligible entity thesetimes..

what these kids need is 5 years in the army dagnabbit!...teach 'em a little discipline ....

Mark, the left has never let little things like facts get in the way in the past. Can't expect them to change now.

Mike, yep, I'm on THE island. I was particularly incensed when the former Dipper government tried to name Highway 19 "Ginger Goodwin Way". For the folks from other parts, that's the road you would take between the naval base at Esquimalt and the air force base at Comox - how insulting to the troops is that? And, yes, we still have all too many 1960s draft dodgers making pots (ceramic) and growing pot (horticultural) in the area.

Draft Dodgers and Deserters are cut from the same cloth.
Dodgers had several opportunities to legitimatly get a deferrment. School, family responsibilities, Peace Corps, Concientious Objector status et al were all available to them.
They were, and still are all cowards and are worthy of our disdain.
The fact that we in Canada harboured them is shameful.

Soldiers of Conscience is a decent documentar about contemporary soldiers seeking CO status.

The producers of the film are decidedly for CO, including CO against a war with which a soldier has personal qualms. But the film gives fair voice to both sides and, in the end, I think the right decisions are reached in the individual cases.

Not to spoil too much of it, but there's one alleged CO who was an interrogator. He let an Al Qaeda terrorist get inside his head, and he began to question the morality of his cause. He should have asked the terrorist the morality of his methods and whether the Iraqi people wanted him there.

Many deserters got only one year in prison. The people who went to war stayed in theater for longer than a year. Deserters should spend no less than ten years in prison. They're lucky they aren't executed: desertion in time of war is a capital offense.

as defined by the fools own rule, then yes, it was a"legal" act of war, and not just by the UN's resolution of Oct 03, but by the fact that as an end to Desert Storm there were conditions, and these conditions were NOT fullfilled, and so the war was a ligitemit policing action.

but I agree with ET, in that there is NO higher authority to "enforce" international legalities, thus they are figurative only (lefy imagination comes to mind).

The United States hasn't had the draft since 1973. Anyone who does join the army does so of his or her own free will. Furthermore, if anyone does take issue with the military, they should do so with their government, not hide out in Canada collecting welfare cheques and/or girlfriends. Therefore, I feel no compassion for any of these dodgers. Send them back today.

time to wath "Decision at Nuerenburg" again, I guess