a very good reason to put a halt on all immigration and refugee claims from Afghanistan.

Well, at last we have solved the conundrum regarding the close relationship between Islamists and gay activists.

Explains why they don't veil their sheep or goats.

Kate shoulda put this story in the "Juxtapose" section.

It never ceases to puzzle me how the "1000 years behind the times" Muslim fundamentalists can be so prudish about female sexuality and yet have no qualms about engaging in what we would consider in the West to be the most "avant garde" sexual activity: homosexuality; and, pedophilia yet! -- Al NAMBLA?

At the same time, "Gays" are terribly persecuted where there's Muslim theocratic rule. It's a triple contradiction -- a "jux-jux-ta-ta-taposition"?

Maybe that's why atheistic Lefties in the West are so defensive of radical Islam -- it's so theologically messy that you can use it attack any sense of genuine spirituality, morality, or just plain common sense...

Not too surprised.

Once you've been on a Saudi worksite and seem construction workers running around holding hands on Thursday afternoon, lining up their "dates" for Friday...not too surprised.

Disgusted, but not surprised.

that article turned my stomach. Simply disgusting.

Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to these folks. What brought this cynicism? The story having to do with their wives having other males sip milk from her breast, so they could do buisness as a family. After that anything is possible.
JMO

mecheng @ 5:19: "...construction workers running around holding hands..."

I dunno, holding hands and men kissing on the cheek is common in many cultures including European -- has nothing to do with homosexuality. I think you're missing the point.

This was printed in a San Francisco newspaper, and the activity is being denounced by the author. Who'd a thunk it?

If you listen you can hear lefties heads expolding.

ricardo @5:19 - 'At the same time, "Gays" are terribly persecuted where there's Muslim theocratic rule. It's a triple contradiction -- a "jux-jux-ta-ta-taposition"?'

My guess is that keeping a little boy is not considered at all analogous to adult male homosexuality, which is, of course, an offense punishable by death. The ancient Athenians had a similar - although possibly not as literally rapacious - dynamic going on, but with plays and statues and philosophy (and no death penalty for homosexuality proper that I've ever come across). They veiled their women too and kept them indoors, although nowhere near as viciously as the Afghans do.

I read somewhere that there's an old saying: "Even the birds fly over Kabul covering their arses with one wing."

It's stomach-turning.

Black Mamba @ 5:41:

Good clarification, and definitely stomach-turning because it exclusively involves children (not to mention the explicit denigration of women).

I just threw up in my mouth. That is disgusting.

I have heard of this before in a more graphic and disturbing context, if you can believe that. The image haunts me still whenever it crosses my mind.

Not as disturbing but still with the 'strange customs' theme, there's this:

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4484.htm

Libarace Gay!

Typical leftist BS. Note how the perversion is carefully ascribed to corrupt Karzai & Co. with not a word about how those paragons of virtue, Mullah Omar, bin Laden's fools, and the Taliban pass their idle time.

Where the progressive leftards are ahead of we conservatives is that they understand, accept and promote cultural relativism and we do not. Ignorant insensitive me. I thought stoning disobedient women, even if they were uppity, and raping helpless children was, like, a bad thing. I thank my socialist betters for their insight and clarification. I can understand how socialists sleep at work but how do they sleep at night?

"That is disgusting."

Stop being so insensitive to their culture. Their religion and culture is every bit as valid as ours. We must learn to be more tolerant.

Did I mention I just applied for a government job?

It's hard not do what the older guy tells you when he's sporting an AK-47!!

Sorry, the lives of 1 million of these people aren't worth the life of one Canadian soldier. What the hell are we wasting our blood and treasure for? So these dudes can bugger little kids? Get out now. Let them murder each other, throw acid in each other's faces and sleep with children. No one can convince me that anything we are doing over there makes any difference at all.

Christ what pigs and perverts, no wonder they want women shrouded in body bags sexually women repulse the pedophiles. Jesus wept sick forkers.

Funny how a San Francisco paper would be viewing this very well known situation with alarm at this late date.

(p.s. - 'It's a triple contradiction -- a "jux-jux-ta-ta-taposition"?'

I'd call that a Thruxtaposition.)

I once worked with a former French Foreign Legionnaire who told me that when travelling on trains in Algiers (in the 50s) it was very common to see young boys being diddled by older men along side the tracks (the boldness reinforces what the article alluded to as (pedophile?) pride. That's the great thing about Islam, it hasn't evolved in 1400 years and that's by design. I wonder how many boys Mohammad "had"?

Kyla at August 31, 2010 5:33 PM

Good observation. Was going to note that.

Gord,you're hired!

Well I have about had it now. We cannot leave Afghanistan fast enough. There is no hope for this people and their disgusting ways. I was a supporter of the war but have been disabused so much now I have to be against it. This will never change til Christ comes,God willing!

Black Mamba at August 31, 2010 5:41 PM

You mentioned Athenians.
If you read campaigns of Alexander, you may know that he conquered that land, that is Afghanistan today.

Some years ago, actually many, there was a program on CEE BEE CEE about Afghanistan, don’t know exactly the occasion. Anyway they were showing people from the highlands of Afghanistan who were proud to be descendants of the Alexander’s warriors, the Macedonian Greeks, (today’s Macedonia is not!).

Maybe that is where they picked up the behavior.

Hephaestion was Alexanders favored man.

Lev:
You beat me to making the very same comment.
It's all the fault of the Greeks.
Bummer.

Lev - Plutarch on Alexander: "When Philoxenus, his lieutenant on the seacoast, wrote to him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodorus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philoxenus had ever observed in him that he should presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediately wrote him a very sharp letter, telling him Theodorus and his merchandise might go with his good will to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word he would buy a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him."

So maybe, maybe not, but the practice was very widespread.

Canuckguy at August 31, 2010 9:09 PM

It's a no fault situation, shit happens.

Black Mamba

As you may know, that kind of behavior was not out of the ordinary in classical Greece.
With that in mind, Arrian and Plutarch not paying attention to it is not all that surprising.

The Spartians definitely had something similar to this, but in conjunction with their military. The big difference seems to be that, with all the men in their various military bases, the women were given the freedom to run the farms and estates.

I guess my point was that it was accepted as a common vice, but frowned upon, at least by the very macho Macedonians (adult male brothers-in-arms homosexuality may have been something else; re. Framces the Spartans probably practiced it). The Athenian model was a sort of mentor-pupil thing; the boys were not slaves. I'm sure you know this stuff; I just mean I doubt the Greeks dropped this off in Afghanistan; but who knows?

In Sparta it was by desing, the rulers thouht it better be that way so the "lovers" would look after each other.

Black Mamba

Agreed.

Sexually abused as defenceless children?

No wonder they are all f*cked!

Yet, this wouldn't be frowned on in a gay pride parade.
Why is this tolerated?

One of the first comments on the article's website was explaining how this is different than homosexuality. Liberals can't even face up to it when they are bit in the persqueeter with it.

Homosexuality often leads to pedophilia. These people have been writing poetry in praise of little boy's bottoms for centuries. Are we surprised they're messed up.

I agree - it's sickening. Why should we waste our loved ones' lives for these people who seem to know absolutely no love for anyone? They are repulsed by their wives and other women, have no love for their children except what "pride" can be gained by their child's death, and are sick disgusting pedophiles who will stop at nothing to exploit children. I say send the A bomb and be done with it.

One of those quaint cultural differences we'll just have to get used to in this country,I guess.

Maybe get a contingent in TO's parade next summer?

Enjoying the view from the sidelines, your warmongering cretins? Your lot cheered on this war. This is on your hands.

You own this.

ricardo
"I dunno, holding hands and men kissing on the cheek is common in many cultures including European -- has nothing to do with homosexuality. I think you're missing the point."

1) you are correct---you "dunno".
2) you missed the point but made a very accurate anology to the perverts in Europe....

Really.....what do expect from people to whom the greatest insult is to be touched with a left hand???...clue....that's the hand that culture uses to wipe their butt.....we use paper......

Would someone please remind me why we sent our soldiers to die for the people of Afghanistan? They don't seem interested in democracy. On the contrary, they seem to be quite ready to go back to the stone-age totalitarian rule of the Taliban. They don't respect religions other than Islam. They don't respect women. We have nothing in common with them, whatsoever. What a pathetic waste of the lives of our men and women!

Smugness is close to trollness, Kaplan.

A couple of months ago I saw a documentary on the Bachi bazi boys. A camera crew followed this guy around in Afghan who was a warlord during the Russian occupation.
Unfortunately I cannot find the link. It was very detailed on how it all works. Very sick stuff.

That documentary was called "The dancing boys of Afghanistan"

I think I'm more disturbed at the fact that I'm not disturbed by this. A significant portion of the commentators at SFGate are so busy with their liberal sensibilities and church bashing atheism that they differentiate between their petty hatreds and real issues. I think it makes me too exasperated to care. That or maybe I've been staring at the shiny sitting in the nihilistic atheist abyss for too long.

Anyhow, lots of cultures in history took little boy love slaves, a book I read long ago stated that it wasn't uncommon for people to "play" with little children right up into the medieval ages and beyond until widespread literacy created the distinction of "children" and "adults". I'm just curious what y'all think, is it ok for the Greeks and not for the Muslims? All universally distasteful? Or too cynical to care?

I'm actually more curious as to how wide spread this is across the Ummah. The notion that women are unclean has created all sorts of strange and interesting consequences for their people. One commentator said he was from Egypt and that stuff happens there too.

Going through the SFgate comments it's kind of sad how people reflexively attack the Catholic Church. The solution of course is to ordain women priests. Women like Mary Kay Letourneau and Deborah LeFavre would really change the narrative and help bring in some grateful volunteers.

@ Daryl M: Because we want children to go to school or something noble like that? Honestly, I've said it before we should have just fired a few thousand cruise missiles in and flipped them the bird. It sort of worked in Libya. What we want to do there has never been done by anyone. The Afghans either have to change fast or there gonna be seeing the rear hatch of a Stryker and the headlights of a Taliban technical.

Funny, but not one word was mentioned about this on CBC.Ca!! Wonder why?

"I've just seen a face, I can't forget the time or place where we must met. She's just a GIRL for me and I want all the world to see we've met, mmm, mmm, mmm, da da da" MacCartney

And we think we can clean up a cesspool of centuries old "tradition"? It might help if it were talked about in our lamestream media but that might offend some delicate sensibilities.

Where are all the do-gooders in public condemnation of this stuff?

Old Pashtun saying (loosely translated):

"Girls are OK but there's nothing like the real thing".

Islam is just so sexually fu**ed up. In Ottawa we often hear of cabbies molesting women in their cabs. Almost without exception, the cabbies who are charged have muzzie names. Women showing legs and arms and without male escorts, you see, must be prostitutes so therefore fair game.

The only sexually dysfunctional Christian comparison is the Roman Catholic priesthood.

Why do we allow muzzie immigration? We are just importing a whole host of new problems when we already have plenty of homegrown ones.

A San Francisco paper is actually condemning this practice? I'd have thought they'd be all for it -- and using it to make the case that Muslims are more sexually "enlightened" than us puritannical Westerners.

A (late) friend had served in the British 8th Army throughout the Middle East during and after WWll.

When he talked about the tribes, it would invariably start off like this:

"Aye, I'll tell you about those dirty buggers:

Get a girl,
Get a girl,
Get a girl if you can.
If you can't get a girl,
Get a little brown man."

Jesus.H.Christ. And, I just ate a massive reuben sandwich. This does explain however how Dervla Murphy bicycled to Afghanistan in the 1960's and made it through in one piece.

Don't anyone say anything bad about American men EVER AGAIN.

U.S. troops have undergone sensitivity training to be non-judgmental about the vile practice of pederasty. See Richard Schweder's "A True Culture War" in the Oct. 2007 NYTimes:

"Nevertheless the military voices on the show had their winning moments, sounding like old-fashioned relativists, whose basic mission in life was to counter ethnocentrism and disarm those possessed by a strident sense of group superiority. Ms. McFate stressed her success at getting American soldiers to stop making moral judgments about a local Afghan cultural practice in which older men go off with younger boys on “love Thursdays” and do some “hanky-panky.” “Stop imposing your values on others,” was the message for the American soldiers. She was way beyond “don’t ask, don’t tell,” and I found it heartwarming."
--

Also a Canadian corporal named Travis Schouten claims to have witnessed a rape of a boy on a Canadian base in Afghanistan. It was so violent the boy was bleeding. He charges there was a cover up, and other sources seem to back him up.

Supposedly one reason the Taliban have support is because our Afghan "allies" we "liberated" and put in power are in the habit of abducting and raping boys.

Same deal in Pakistan, too. Not quite as bad, but bad. Perverse societies.

BTW, T.E. Lawrence? Yep.

@JMD, who said, "The only sexually dysfunctional Christian comparison is the Roman Catholic priesthood."

This is so wrong, in so many ways. For example, the rate of sexual contact with minors by Priests as opposed to public school teachers is 3 to 5 times lower.

Second, the rate of pedophilia was very low, most was ephebophilia committed by gay priests. These tendencies are no longer treated theraputically as they were in the 70s and 80s, but rather legally, and fewer gay priests are being admitted to the priesthood.

The whole crisis, which admittedly is bad, has been amplified for political purposes by the media and anti-catholic bigots, like yourself.

British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them." "The soldiers didn't understand."

Its hard to resist a man in uniform!

Do lefty, liberals want to ban long guns because they are too sexy?

anyway...

Homosexuality will slam/bang/thank you sir,
the next Islamic messiah.

The Druze, an Islamic sect, believe that the messiah will be born to a man. This new arrival can come at any moment, so all Druze men walk around with baggy sack trousers, to catch the messiah when he pops out, and so that he doesn’t hit himself by falling on the ground.

Thank God we are being overrun by Hispanics.