I wrote about that a couple of days ago, too. (Used the same video - you're stalking me!!). The hilarious part was that the CBC referred to the crowd as "far right", while Gillespie actually went out among the crowd and found out they were quite a mixture of folks. But, as we all know, CBC sucks and has a limited vocabulary to go along with their limited analytical skills which go along with their narrow world view.

But of course every good little soldier of the collective indoctrinated in statist socialism in our pblic education gulag knows that religion is the enemy of the state -- the opiate of the people

God is in direct competition with the socialist leadership.

Looks like the violent bigots of the right fooled them all again. Not one person in that mammoth crowd got caught being violent or racist. They are very sneaky about that stuff ... I guess.

"Inarticulate" "Religious Event" "Non Political" ?

There was a comedy routine I just saw a little while ago that addressed TV News Shows titles and how they're named inappropriately opposite of what they do or are.
Larry King for instance is old and in failing health, the oldest "news" personality still going, and the reason people tune in is to see if Larry's still "alive".
"Really, he's alive, just checking."

Anderson Cooper only looks at issues from his one dimensional view of the cloistered Lberal, gay, son of Gloria Vanderbilt, from the limousine window perspective so he calls his show, inappropriately 360.

Reason TV is likewise all hat and no cattle.

The CBC is just being rational from their perspective because they are so far left that this rally appears to them to be far right. They never talk to anyone who would go to a rally like that.

Obama is like Carter, he creates conservatives out of thin air… he really is a Messiah.

The only question now is …who is the next Reagan? Maybe it’s that guy on Reason TV with the Freedom Czar t-shirt … you would never see that image on CBC. It’s the power of images that conservatives have been missing and images are Beck’s greatest contribution to conservatism; we need images to counter surge the progressive images.

Then Beck spoke those magical words "We've been wandering in the darkness for far too long",

I wept. “Yes, far far too long.......”

I just love the answer given by the black woman. It needs to be screamed to the world from the top of someplace very high, to quote "Luigi" in Cars. :)

Posted by: Mark Peters >

“just love the answer given by the black woman”

Well if you were indeed a black American and liked to gripe about the country as so many do, saying you are “African American” is not the brightest way to win your position.

Obamba fails on that count again by association “God Damned America”, “The first time I’ve been proud of America”………. “I am an African American president”.

One nation under God.

Uh huh.

I see a lot of young people, I see black people ("I am NOT African American, I am a black American, and, yes, I'm very comfortable in this crowd"), I see tattooed people, I see ex-prisoners, I see people of faith, I see hundreds of thousands of people wanting to take back the U.S.A.

Without a vision the people perish. This rally was all about taking back the American vision: One nation under God.

Amen!

The MSM has to report on this, they can't ignore but they are just choking on their own bile having to do so.

Their real pain is that all those talking turds at CBC/CTV/CBS/NBC/ABC know they couldn't attract a crowd big enough to fill a small school bus and Beck can get 500k plus out for him & Sarah.

So sweet.

Like I saw on twitter this morning that Ezra retweeted,

"The media is judging Glenn Beck's followers by the colour of their skin and not the content of their character"

I wonder who said that last part originally? ;)

Part of the reason that the MSM don't take Beck seriously is that he has admitted that he is in the entertainment business. His company is an entertainment company and he is the creator and director.

This is partly why the "educated" media whores who have shelled out their fiat money to attend some marxist / socialist journalism school, have no respect for a man like Glenn Beck.

But the MSM are still really pi**ed that he can move a crowd with his words and the media hucksters are left with their pathetic intellectual mouse droppings on the editing floor at the end of the day. They know they can't inspire, only criticize and make funny faces!

Louise said: "The hilarious part was that the CBC referred to the crowd as "far right", while Gillespie actually went out among the crowd..."

Yep. And that's why I don't get TV anymore. CBC does not "report", it uses events to push an ideological agenda. In truth that wouldn't be so bad, except their agenda is deeply destructive, essentially anti-human.

I have to say, that this August has been very, very -restful- for me not watching any TV or listening to any radio. Zero socialist propaganda, zero back-to-school ads, and best of all, zero "summer is almost over" drivel from announcers. I can actually ENJOY the time I have without constantly having it impressed upon me that its all going to end soon.

Applied to the Glen Beck rally, I can see that there was a -lot- of people there, the announcers talked about religion a fair bit, and of particular note the idiots tempting fate around the edges with their "counter demonstration" were allowed to be the rude, deliberately provocative, offensive imbeciles that they are completely violence-free. That says a lot about who's at the rally. Even the guy with the prison tattoo or the weird, scary looking construction worker dude didn't pound any Lefty freaks who torqued them off.

Try being a counter-protester at a Code Pink rally. Or being the guy with the Israeli flag at a Palestinian rally. Whole different ball game. Funny how that bit of truth never makes the CBC.

So I think Louise's comment is extremely well taken. CBC consistently and deliberately mis-represents conservatives in a bad light. They also consistently and deliberately mis-represent liberal/lefties in a positive light.

I should be paying money for this?

Pretty much invariably the MSM noted that the beck crowd was largely white. None of them noted that sharptons rally was as far as I could see 100% black.

I always feel a bit embarrassed with the religious fringe of the small-c movement. The same way, I guess, a lot of liberals feel embarrassed with the "green" fringe of the left.

Come on Gord, that's different. Black people can't be racist. Jeeze, get with the program. ~:D

Posted by: Alan >

The problem with that view Alan is that you divide politics into black and white sides without borders, grey areas or other colors of any kind.

Me thinks political, moral and philosophical views are much more varied, and there is no reason to be embarrassed about your particular color varient. Unless you’re a flaming lefty retard that is. :)

"Looks like the violent bigots of the right fooled them all again. Not one person in that mammoth crowd got caught being violent or racist."

Depends on how acceptable stereotyping certain groups are. Somewhere along the way "not all muslims are terrorists" has turned into "all good muslims want to kill christians". He said it, not me.

There were very few blacks at the Beck rally....

Interestingly enough there were also very few Blacks at the Sharpton rally.

I guess they must have been busy this weekend with other things.

Alan @11:32: first of all which religious fringe are you talking about…there’s a lot of diversity there. Do you mean the religious folks who think God is guiding their life or the ones who want to behead you?

Then assuming you mean the mild religious fringe, you might want to do a calculation as to how much they are going tax you and compare that cost to the “green fringe” cost.

"all good muslims want to kill christians". He said it, not me.
Posted by: devil's advocate at August 30, 2010 11:38 AM

If you had read your Koran this morning - not sure if that is before or after your early morning prayers - then you will note that that is exactly what you are to do to the infidel.

That makes it pretty clear to me and those who are open minded about what the Koran says.

They said it, not me!

Alan, I've heard that a lot in small-c conservative circles.

Generally its considered bad form to talk about religion and church and stuff. Kind of like necking in public, you can do it but people think you have no class.

Unless its some imported religion of course, then its considered "interesting" or "colorful".

Example, Sikhs having a parade behind the Guru Granth Sahib is a fun outing, but Catholics having a parade behind the Virgin Mary on Easter Sunday is just embarrassing.

Which just goes to show how pervasive the propaganda blanket smothering us really is. Its like a fishbowl that's never been cleaned, the fish don't understand why they feel horrible all the time.

Try turning off the TV and the radio for six months, see what happens.

in related news . . . Monday morning chuckles

http://tinyurl.com/38yccwz

This is what you would "know" if you relied on CBS News and their ilk for information: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html?tag=pop
Yeah, 87,000 people were at Glenn Beck's rally this weekend.

"I am not African American! I am a Black American!",/i>

THANK YOU!!!!
Finally somebody said it!

Devil's advocate said: "Depends on how acceptable stereotyping certain groups are."

Well as we all know, negative stereotyping is only acceptable when it is done by CBC presenters to white conservatives. Otherwise its perilously close to a crime.

In fact, we have a whole government department that decides when its a crime and when its not. Canadian Human Rights Commission.

Knight 99: The way they behave, not their 'color variant'. The religious fringe often scares centrists away from the conservative-leaning parties and policies. The moderates who act discreetly help us. But the other ones, the activists who display their beliefs too openly and go too far with their slogans, their rhetoric and their crucifixes, well in practical terms they become a liability.

// Part of the reason that the MSM don't take Beck seriously is that he has admitted that he is in the entertainment business. //

“I’m a rodeo clown,” he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” [...]
He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’“

And a clown shall lead them.

"If you had read your Koran this morning - not sure if that is before or after your early morning prayers - then you will note that that is exactly what you are to do to the infidel."

You will note that that statement was a response to a claim that there were no racists or bigots in the crowd. The gentleman who stated that also made it clear that islam "does not factor" in the future of America, which I assume means that muslims have no role in America.

Sounds like America is for all types of people - except muslims. Alright I suppose. Perhaps we should start deporting them now? Why leave them to roam around the country when they are, in fact, out to kill us and all that? Since I am a fervent equal opportunist, the only thing I ask is that you include white, black, asian, latin and other supremacists, as well as gang members, in this mass deportation.

Frankly speaking, I still find gang members a lot scarier than the average muslim on the street.

Alan, like I said. Letting the other side set the agenda is a recipe for losing. Turbans are ok but crucifixes aren't, that's the Left setting your agenda for you.

Here are some estimates from Canadian and US mass media.

First the semantics:
Note that many of the articles will print, “thousands”, “tens of thousands”.
If thousands, would that mean something from 2K to 10K?
If tens of thousands, would that mean something from 10K to 99K?

These are the numbers from your professional “journalist”.

Thousands of Americans…
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/glenn-beck-lauds-cardinals-at-dc-rally/article1688891/
Note the picture; if you like low turnout, that picture gives you the perspective you may like.

Several hundred thousand people rallied….
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Palin+Beck+urge+return+rally+Martin+Luther+King+anniversary/3456994/story.html

A more likely figure was at least 300,000…..
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/853930

Thousands of people from around the country converged on a hot summer day at the National Mall to watch Beck and Sarah Palin talk about what they called "restoring honor."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-draws-hundreds-thousands/story?id=11504349

Tens of thousands of people have attended a controversial rally in Washington DC organised by conservative talk show host Glenn Beck.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11114172

….tens of thousands….
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20100829glenn_beck_rally_signals_election_trouble_for_dems/

….A sea of people…
Crowds at Mall demonstrations are notoriously difficult to estimate, with no official source for such figures since the National Park Service stopped doing counts in 1997….
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/08/29/beck_palin_call_for_restoration_of_traditional_values/

An estimated 87,000 people attended a rally organized by talk-radio host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck….
AirPhotosLive.com gave its estimate a margin of error of 9,000, meaning between 78,000 and 96,000 people attended the rally.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html?tag=pop

…..Glenn Beck and tea party champion Sarah Palin appealed Saturday to a vast,…..
The crowd….was a sea of people standing shoulder to shoulder across large expanses of the Mall.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/2648182,glenn-beck-dc-rally-082810.article

Huge crowds...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/28/thousands-expected-glenn-beck-rally-civil-rights-leaders-protest-event/

….the tens of thousands….
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38895645/ns/local_news-orange_county_ca/

….Officials estimated that more than 100,000 people….
http://mobile.newsweek.com/s/2499/370;jsessionid=0728D611F903E124751E8A28D57F1D8D?itemUriVal=15e8d2662d6552d87c94a094da083a68%2F12495513213122140131431521110&HeaderTltle=

Tens of thousands….
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2014336,00.html

….respectably large 87,000….
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/was_the_glenn_beck_rally_turno.html#more?hpid=topnews

USA Today noted, there were some “157” here, some “900” there. There were some people here and there.

Summary, more or less, if CNN is your cup of tea (npi). http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/29/wildly-conflicting-reports-about-beck-rally-crowd-size/?iref=allsearch

...I still find gang members a lot scarier than the average muslim on the street. ~ devil's advocate

How do discern which of the Muslims on the street are "average"

dizzy said: "And a clown shall lead them."

Yeah, a clown shall lead them to not beat the hell out of offensive people who disagree with them at their rally. Can't say the same about DemocRats can you dizzy?

Btw, have you seen the picture of Obama made up like the Joker? Its a beauty.

No, turbans are *not* OK. But oversized cruficixes and t-shirts with christian slogans are not either. Keep it for yourself and out of politics and the public place please. I don't want my people to become opposite to the Muslims by acting like them (bar the violence of course).

Yeah, 87,000 people were at Glenn Beck's rally this weekend.
~Mkelley at August 30, 2010 11:58 AM

Yeah, but you would have a hard time finding those 87,000 among the other *213,000 that attended.

*apparently the permit to assemble was issued for a maximum of 300,000 so even if there were more than 300,000 the top figure was only 300,000 just to be within the permitted limit

Beck's rally was mostly about his idea of "God", but Kate's an atheist - so why's she so interested in pumping him up, hmmm?

Alan, are you phobic or something? I myself do not attend church, but come on man. Do you go into a cold sweat when you see a fish on the back of a car?

Turbans are not OK either? You going to ask Mohinder to take it off? He's got a kirpan to go with it, y'know. In fact, that's the whole reason why he's got a kirpan to go with it. So you can't make him take his turban off.

I've suggested to some of my Sikh associates that upgrading to a Glock might be in order. They said the Glock is nice too, but the kirpan never jams.

Good guys to have around in a fracas. Christians likewise. There are even [gasp!] Muslims who vote conservative and like less government and less taxes.

If you want to defeat the Left and take your country back, I suggest expanding your tolerance zone to include more people Alan. Its not like they are going away, right?

Alan this is a free country. There is nothing wrong with a turban as long as you don’t insist on wearing it to join the Mounties and insist on replacing the icon the Mountie uniform (But there is something wrong with covering your face with a Burka in an open society)

As MLK said: don’t judge people by their colour, judge them by their content of character. Ditto don’t judge them by their religion, judge them by their actions.

I would agree that politicians must not quote their religious passages to support values, they must always use reason. But they can wear a turban while using reason, who cares?

Alan,

I know what you were trying to rely; I think you may have missed my color metaphor a little. Not a good example when mixed with racial discussions, but I was alluding to the color spectrum of ideas not race on this point.

Yea, everyone hates the silly uncle at the party. What can you do if common serious issues bind you and bring you together? Build another party with your own ideas that exclude the ideas of certain individuals whose ideas you don’t like.

Eventually they and others will follow if things look better on your side of the fence, but at the end of the day it’s a numbers game and base conservative’s at this stage and into the future of America could use all the help they can get.

Please do not..., do not waste your time and ours by trying to converse with the trolls. They are leftards and as such have been brainwasted for the last fifty years by believing everything that the Liberals and CBC have been telling them. Multiculturalism doesn't work. We are seeing the results in Europe and to a lesser extend in North America. Mankind has been engaged in religious wars since the dawn of history and by the looks of it we'll continue for the next few hundred years at least. The "Holy Koran" as the might 'O' calls it is nothing more than an early edition of "Mein Kampf". Failure to recognize this fact and to dress up this failure as tolerance will only lead to a major confrontation in the future. Unfortunately the Liberal elite are not astute or erudite enough to come to grips with what they have accomplished and it will be up to the small c, conservatives to once again save their ass just as we did when Hitler smooth talked them at Munich. So don't waste your time with the trolls just get ready to get'r done.

Conspicuous displays of Christianity, middle class values and perhaps even maleness are the natural consequence of the atmosphere created by progressives over the last few decades. At first playing on Christian guilt, white guilt, class guilt and male guilt was successful. Those groups attempted to appease progressives. Finally, the appeasers have realized that the demands and accusations by progressives only increase - they will never stop, only grow. Now these groups have given up trying to please their social betters and feel free to express their real beliefs - smaller government, lower taxes, the importance of The Constitution, national pride and religious faith. Obama was not the cause but his overtly progressive policies, apologizing for America and reverse racism are the final straw. Of course the MSM, unaware that the jig is up, will continue to condemn this resurgence and all protests as "overwhelmingly white" (meaning racist)activity, making the MSM look even more foolish.
While I am not religious, I do not feel the least bit embarrassed. The biggest concern is that Christian wing will stop listening to other parts of the Tea Party movement.

On a side bar with the Restoring Honour (Beck/Palin) rally it was one of those moments when we could juxtapose the cost of cleaning up after this rally with the cost of cleaning up after the mighty 'O''s inauguration. The leftards keep making a mess and we keep cleaning it up.

Posted by: devil's advocate>

“which I assume means that muslims have no role in America”

You’re right on the money there DA. Except to expand your statement, they have no role in western society’s period. As a matter of fact they have never played a roll of even minute significance in western society aside from nifty souvenirs on mantels from old wars against them.

Remember we are not talking about individuals, we are talking about ideologies, and the Islamic Sharia ideologies do not mix with the western values of freedom, democracy, and liberty for all. Period.

As a true Muslim they are forbidden to stray from their Islamic values. That makes them incorrigible.

Deportation absolutely, certainly for all convicted criminals. Supplement that with closing the borders to further Islamic immigration, and mandatory integration into western culture by forced western education & the language of the land, for those the legal process cannot deport.

The practice of Islam should be every bit as chastised and outlawed in the west as Nazi ideology is.

People at the rally were openly conspiciously Christian?
On MLK Day?

Gee, it's almost as though Martin Luther King jr. was a Baptist minister or something!
How dare all those Christians show up and be open about their faith on MLK Day.

No, turbans are *not* OK. But oversized cruficixes and t-shirts with christian slogans are not either. Keep it for yourself and out of politics and the public place please. I don't want my people to become opposite to the Muslims by acting like them (bar the violence of course).

End quote:----------

It might surprise you to learn that most Conservatives consider you nothing more than a Red Tory or a Liberal in atheist drag Alan. Your posts reek of intolerance and bigotry thus you sound like a closet leftard Alan.

Alan a wise man wrote the following words, heed them. An unknow Monk was the author of Deserata.

Therefore be at peace with your god, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labours and asperations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all it's sham and drudgery and broken dreams, it's still a beautiful world. Be careful. Take care. Strive to be happy.

I must vociferously speak out against all of you that are insinuating that "All Muslims Are Out To Kill Us" or anything of that ilk. It's simply not true folks. I have a number of Muslim friends & acquaintances, all of whom are good hearted, hard working, Westernized citizens of Canada and the U.S.

If you're going to imply they're not and insinuate some sort of conspiracy theories about a hidden agenda of theirs, then you're truly as nuts as the Radical Leftists you & I constantly complain about.

Anyone who knows me, knows that I am not Mr. Kumbaya, not politically correct, and hate Radical Islamists as much as anyone. But grouping all Muslims under one banner is neither true nor helpful. All your words do is feed the enormous Leftist propaganda narrative that conservatives are bigots. So if you want to help the Liberals & NDP up here and the Democrats in America then keep it up!

So, Alan, what's the difference in your mind between "oversized cruficixes and t-shirts with christian slogans" and Muslim women walking around in public in niqabs and burqas? Are you embarrassed by this "religious/cultural" display?

I'd say you've drunk the progressives' propaganda Kool-Aid telling you to be embarrassed by Christians freely expressing their faith in public. COME ON. In the Charter, which I strongly dislike but it's the law of the land, everyone has the right to freedom of religion, freedom of expression, and freedom of association, so what's your problem?

I detect religious bigotry here. Tsk. Tsk.

@ 6:24, the lady with the black t-shirt: That's my main man, the great anarcho-capitalist Murray Rothbard, Enemy of the State. Rothbard morphed from libertarian to anarcho-capitalist when he concluded that if you concede ANYTHING to the state, you're lost; that there's no way to limit state expansion which contention is irrefutably proven by what happened to those great foundng documents! Mere words on paper.

God-bless that black lady -- she gave me the shivers. I feel vindicated, having never ever used that ugly hyphenation "African- American" without quotation marks. Any American black who actually takes the time to visit Africa would probably drop that unfortunate hyphenation as he would stop whining about the slavery of 150 years ago.

Provocation:
Some folks are freaked by the "Jesus" thing. Not me. I get squirmy about the soldier worship as I find myself gradually moving toward a radical isolationist position -- the position, btw, of the founding fathers.

@batb and others: ANY religious display (you obviously have a preference, I don't, but I AM the bigot according to you?). You think that activist Christian slogans are OK but the Muslim niqabs and burqas are not? I say: it's all the same! Religious beliefs should remain a private thing, and at church, temple or whatever, but not in the street nor in politics. Clear now?

Robert W. (Vancouver) at August 30, 2010 1:30 PM
He said "good muslim" not all muslims.
Similarly a Catholic who is OK with abortion is not a "good Catholic" even if he/she continues to self-identify as one.

If your "muslim" friends (assuming they're not using taqiyya) don't want to subjugate/kill infidels, they aren't "good [devout] muslims". They're jahalia. (may be wrong form of the word).

Remember muslims are also against killing "innocents" which soothes many westerners until they learn that non-muslims aren't innocent. They are guilty of leaving Islam -- remember we were all muslims once! They will regain their innocence when they become reverts and will no longer be subject to the wrath of the Mohammedans.

Robert W. (Vancouver)

A word of caution. In some cultures (Particularly New Guinea) to befriend someone than turn around one day & kill them, than eat them. Is considered a form of virtue.
(Read Peace Child) If you doubt me.
The Koran means what its says, as did Mien Kampf.
No one took the later real. Which meant a bloodbath. Neither do leftists or decent folks the former.
Yet amazingly the fanatics of both books follows, or followed, the script to the letter.
Yet people like you seem to think they don't believe what they advocate. You immediately like a Stockholm syndrome victim, come to their defense? I find it peculiar, if not disturbing.
Your friends must be infidels, because according to the Koran you can have no real Infidel friends.
Ask them what they think of Hamas or if old MO. was right in having sex with a nine year old. Just ask them. Than get their opinion on Jews.
JMO

Martin Luther King jr wasn't about politics.
That's why so few people seem to know that he was a registered Republican.

MLK appealed to values.
He derived his values from his place in American society and expressed them so eloquently through the prism of his Baptist faith and experience as a Baptist minister.
MLK's speeches were "preaches".

The rally was about values, American values, the values that made America great, not politics.
Christians, like MLK, derive their values the same way MLK did and express them the same way as MLK did.
MLK wore his faith proudly and publically just as he wore his skin.

This wasn't a political rally.
It was a rally about losing those values, American values, MLK's values.

The political slant should ask a question: "Do the Democrats and their agenda embody MLK's values best or does some other political group?

Was Obama's fitness to be POTUS judged on the "content of his character or the color of his skin"?

Who do you think MLK would have voted for and why?

"The practice of Islam should be every bit as chastised and outlawed in the west as Nazi ideology is."

Errr, not to nitpick or anything, but Nazi ideology isn't exactly outlawed in the US.

"I have a number of Muslim friends & acquaintances, all of whom are good hearted, hard working, Westernized citizens of Canada and the U.S."

Oh shush. Haven't you heard? They aren't 'true' muslims. Only SDA and Beck and the chap in the video get to decide who is a true muslim and who isn't. The muslims themselves don't get to decide. Get with the program.

"As a true Muslim they are forbidden to stray from their Islamic values. That makes them incorrigible."

See. Apparently you can't be a true muslim if you stray from Islamic values. I guess I can only pray that they remove true Christians from the medical sciences. After all, I would be very worried about religious doctors (who don't believe in evolution) dealing with drug resistant bacteria. After all, they would never be able to understand how those tiny bacteria cells could evolve to resist drugs. Besides, I would love to see how many Christians in the US qualify as 'true' Christians - you know, what with all the restrictions on, amongst other things, amorous activities out of wedlock.

"But grouping all Muslims under one banner is neither true nor helpful."

Things that are true are not always helpful, just as things that are false are not always unhelpful.

What you are seeing is the first stage in dehumanization. We say they want us dead. By this logic, we should be pre-emptive and move to remove the threat. This makes it easier to justify stereotyping, prejudice, suspicion and all the things that are, ironically enough, staples of terrorist movements and extreme ideologies. In other words, we can now take actions that morally contradict our value set and justify them on the basis that they need to be done to protect us. The tactic is pretty straightforward. Repeat something till it becomes the truth. Numb the people - convince them that action has to be taken. That way, when it is taken, nobody bats an eyelid. After all, we may be throwing them out of the country in a manner incompatible with our ideals and beliefs, but hey, it has to be done because they want "kill Christians".

And no, its not the first time. Dehumanization campaigns are very much a part of the human experience. Every practitioner of every religion and ideology has used it at some point or the other.

Judge not a man by the colour of his skin; judge him by the depth of his character.
- Baptist minister Martin Luther King
Which rally represents King's sentiments best?
I'd say the more inclusive one.

"Religious beliefs should remain a private thing, and at church, temple or whatever, but not in the street nor in politics. Clear now?"

Says you Alan; I'm Agnostic and I couldn't disagree with you more! (and I’m interested in the rally, thanks Kate for the venue)

Religion, regardless of which(I disagree with Knight99) is part of our history (as Canadians) and our future. Your blatant disregard for this obvious truth speaks to your very limited understanding of what you speak about. You understand only what you believe, which is the root of your intolerance. Personally, I implore all of my elected officials to wear their beliefs (religious or not) on their sleeves. I don’t want two-faced politicians!

WE are embarrassed of YOU Alan! You should get off your high-horse, and consider what YOU can do so as not to embarrass US. Of course, I doubt you have the humility to see the error in your words; else you couldn’t come to such a pompous opinion in the first place. Nope, I suspect you’ve already composed a haughty response in you head before you’ve done reading this sentence. I doubt introspective is your strong suit.

As far as politicians quoting holy books; have at it! I take no insult from kind, inspiring, wise and especially heart-felt words; regardless their origin.

I am not usually a defender of Christianity, DA, but you have got to be kidding. The paths of Christianity and Islam parted long ago. Christianity went through Reformation and Enlightenment - they evolved. Islam (as a religion) remains barbaric and stuck in the Dark Ages. Their Imams recommend adult breastfeeding to instill kinship to unrelated men, genital mutilation, gender inequality, stoning. Individual Muslims may modernize but their religion is unable to accommodate change.

After all the Muslim violence towards non-Muslim, there is surprisingly little dehumanization and backlash. In fact, every incidence of Muslim violence is minimized, blame-shifted and explained away.

Bravo Glenn Beck!! Thank-you for posting this Kate. I never ever miss a Glenn Beck program because his program is interesting and informative. I have found some fabulous books to read and I have been informed about many nasty fanatical left wing nut elitists who are in the government at this time. It is a huge tribute to the American people that this administration has, so far, not become the blood bath murder/rape/torture/pillage arena that Russia evolved into after the Bolshevik catechism of hate and murder in 1918 and thereafter. 'An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure' - sometimes things go so far that a cure is impossible. Glenn Beck is that ounce of prevention and the American people are wise enough to listen to him. Canadians like many of us here, are listening too.

Anyone else as a secular conservative feel a little uncomfortable by this? Also his speech was pretty cheesy what with the orchestra church choir. Can't wait to see Jon Stewart make fun of this tonight.

There were some token blacks among the crowd but, it was a predominantly white crowd, not that race should have any part in this discussion, one man one vote. but come on there were a TON of obvious moonbats in the crowd, your group is represented by it's worst members.

Would have liked to hear more from the reenactor that wouldn't break character, "why do you wear Black sir?" hilarious.

Alan said: "Religious beliefs should remain a private thing, and at church, temple or whatever, but not in the street nor in politics. Clear now?"

Yeah, I got that. I just don't really feel like cooperating. Whatcha gonna do about it?

See that's the thing you're not getting Alan. It is not your place to be telling me how to behave in public. Nor is it my place to be telling you. Freedom means I get to drive my truck and go shooting, and the snotty Granite Club Liberal lady next to me at the stoplight is free to deplore both the shooting and the truck. And the woman wearing the tent at the bus stop is perfectly free to think we are all infidels and should be killed. So long as everybody respects the other guy's right to not cooperate, its all good.

Freedom is free, Alan. If -you- want to be free then you better be willing to tolerate the Jesus shouters and tent wearers equally.

If what you really want is for all the damn religious freaks to be forcibly shut up and made to behave themselves in public, then freedom is not what you're after. Making you neither a conservative nor a Conservative.

The people at the Beck rally are reacting strongly against being told to sit down, shut up and pay the taxes. Maybe you just don't belong in that tent.

Maybe you should think about that a little bit, eh?

"The paths of Christianity and Islam parted long ago."

Where did I suggest otherwise? I was merely questioning the notion of 'true' and (presumably) 'false' practitioners of (any) religion. To say that a 'true' muslim must kill muslims is kind of like saying that religious people cannot become doctors because of their rejection of evolution.

I'm really not sure where you saw me comparing Christianity with Islam. I was just questioning the notion of true and false believers. If I had a strong knowledge of any religion other than Christianity, I would have happily used it as an example in place of Christianity.

Religious beliefs should remain a private thing, and at church, temple or whatever, but not in the street nor in politics. Clear now?

End quote:---------

As mud, when the marxists leftwing twits leave the public square I'll rethink shoving Christians and people of faith out of the public square but you go first Red Tory you go firts because you will never be allowed to force us into seclusion because you don't like people of the faiths.

devil's advocate said: "Dehumanization campaigns are very much a part of the human experience. Every practitioner of every religion and ideology has used it at some point or the other."

Yas, and those campaigns in certain Arab countries are quite advanced.

When Christian suicide bombers and warrior monks start exploding and massacring civilians weekly in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Gaza, Pakistan and other such places then I'll give your point some credence. Until then, not so much.

Do you even think before you write this crap or is it all spinal reflex?

Indiana Homez: re-read your own comment. How darn distorted your comprehension of my position is... Not even worth arguing; would be too long. And, funny enough, speaking of "high horses", "ignorance", and, funniest of all, "pompous". Pompous you're not yourself, for sure. Snort, snort, cough, cough. Oh. My. Goodness. Thanks for the good laugh.

Anyone else as a secular conservative feel a little uncomfortable by this? Also his speech was pretty cheesy what with the orchestra church choir...but come on there were a TON of obvious moonbats in the crowd, your group is represented by it's worst members.

Errr...anyone remember cheesy Greek columns and speeches about healing the Earth and lowering the seas. How about "moonbats" at Gay Pride parades? As a libertarian I don't feel uncomfortable with Pride Parades or Christian Revivals. Tolerance is not a one-way street, Shawn.

Rose: "Red tory"? Really? I don't vote CPC because they're NOT conservative enough! I think you're just too mad with the religious thing and it makes you lose your good judgement. See what religion does to people.

Again , the only good Muslim - Is a gay Muslim!

I guess I can only pray that they remove true Christians from the medical sciences. After all, I would be very worried about religious doctors (who don't believe in evolution) dealing with drug resistant bacteria. After all, they would never be able to understand how those tiny bacteria cells could evolve to resist drugs. Besides, I would love to see how many Christians in the US qualify as 'true' Christians - you know, what with all the restrictions on, amongst other things, amorous activities out of wedlock.

Yep, I have absolutely no idea how I could have gotten the impression that you were directly comparing Islam and Christianity without taking into account their divergent histories.

devil's advocate @2:48 - you do realize that the Catholic Church has no problem with the theory of Evolution, and that only some Protestant Churches do, right?

Alan - you seem to regard religion as a private vice to be practiced, if at all, guiltily, behind closed doors. I don't see any sense to that. Mandatory disclaimer: I'm agnostic.

DA>

Err yes you are nitpicking if you say Nazism is not outlawed in the west. Maybe not in the judicial system, but certainly in the courts of public opinion.

There is no way in hell Nazi's could get away with a portion of the nesting on Canadian lands without public, government and police condemnation and harassment. Yet Islam creates violence every day in western countries and around the world. It is responsible for most ongoing wars on every continent with any culture including it's own.

Yet people are defending it, even as it encroaches on them "because they know a Muslim". Woopee, you probably know some Nazis as well, and they may even be nice people. But 1.6 billion of them are not on your doorstep, nor have you been at war with them for the last 700 years.

"How darn distorted your comprehension of my position is."

Yeah, I'm the only one./sarc

Perhaps it's you that should re-read what you've written, or is everyone else who quoted the same line as dense as I am?

Black Mamba: Wrong. No guilt, not behind closed doors. I insist ONLY on over-the-top religious public demonstrations to the effect of what we see a lot in the U.S. (not here in Canada, thank goodness). But then the very religious people take offence at this (why?), they jump on their keyboad and call me a "bigot", an "anti-Christian", a "lefty", and so on. Again, what's wrong with calling for more discretion with your beliefs? The demonstrations of religious fundamentalism we see regularly in media coverage embarrass me as a conservative and they DO GIVE the conservatives a bad name, like it or not. Get real.

DA>

"After all, I would be very worried about religious doctors (who don't believe in evolution)"

Again you can't seem to make the leap in understanding that Islam is an ideological belief system and not a true religion as claimed. Western politicians accept it as such out of fear. To be a public figure speaking out against Islam in a European country today for example, invites death.

When the numbers of Muslims grow in North America closer to our European counterparts, due to apathetic people such as yourself, we can expect the same fear driven groveling from our own politicians. Won’t that be wonderful?

Of course it’s unfortunate that we now live in a soft apathetic propagandized multicultural world where real foresight has gone the way of the Dodo.

Posted by: Indiana Homez >

“Religion, regardless of which(I disagree with Knight99) is part of our history”

Please clarify Indiana. I don’t recall making any kind of stand on religion.

If you are referring to my comments on Islam, it’s clear by my above posts that I don’t consider Islam a true religion and liken it to the Nazi movement. Violent and totalitarian.

(For the record I am agnostic, and don’t have a religious preference, nor do I condemn religions. I also do respect the Christian heritage that was a key element of western civilization; I am simply not a practitioner and view all the “true” peaceable religions equally – like Jesus would have :D).

The Phantom
// Yeah, a clown shall lead them to not beat the hell out of offensive people who disagree with them at their rally. //

Well, they were praying, weren't they?
It's when they get up from their knees to do the will of God that the problems start.

dizzy:

I'm sure you could provide us with some examples of the harm by Christians doing the will of God.

Please provide, first, the will of God, then the harm.

Shawn, not only am I a secular conservative, I am an atheist and a conservative.

I watched the entire rally live on facebook. I have watched it again since.

The fact that it made you uncomfortable and that you found it cheesy says a lot more about you than it does about Beck.

set you free

// Please provide, first, the will of God //

Aye, that's the rub.
I believe a recent war was characterized as a battle over who had the best imaginary friend.

re: "After all, I would be very worried about religious doctors (who don't believe in evolution)"

DA, I doubt there are many irreligious doctors who believe speciation arose from evolution, because the argument is not plausible if heredity is carried on RNA or DNA.

There is no way to explain evolution through random mutations in genomes, because some organs ( such as eyes ) would require dozens of simultaneous advantageous mutations in the appropriate spots in the genomes. If the genome of the species in question had a rate of mutation sufficient to produce dozens of advantageous mutations, what would prevent the creature from multiple, disadvantageous mutations in its genome, as well. A rate of mutation violent enough to produce a complete functional eye would also likely lead to mutations such as single-chambered hearts, or other lethal organ abnormalities. Why would only favorable mutation occur?

The other possibility, that the genes to produce an eye somehow accumulated in an organism over millions of years until, the final piece necessary to make a functional eye fell in place also is not compelling. Why would those genes persist in the genome unless they made the creature more fit to survive in some way? For evolution of an organ like the eye to have occured through random mutation one must at some point move from cogent argumetn to a leap of faith. It is essentially impossible, and hence implausible that evolution occured by random mutation. An alternative explanation, that there existed a non-random bias in mutation towards higher development of the creature, is plausible, and consistent with DNA/RNA based heredity. An artist creating a painting from paint and canvas exerts non-random bias through the thoughtful application of paint. Likewise, a non-random bias exerted by a Creator on a living creature's genome could explain the development of species, including man.

No compelling argument explaining speciation through random mutation is available if RNA or DNA is the carrier of heredity.

"Yas, and those campaigns in certain Arab countries are quite advanced."

Agree completely. Question is: should we mimic them? After all, western civilization places an emphasis on the equality and inalienable rights of all human beings, as well as the importance of each life.

I never said only Christians dehumanize. I just said its a tactic that (as is evident in the quote you used" practitioners of every religion and ideology have used.

"When Christian suicide bombers and warrior monks start exploding and massacring civilians weekly in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Gaza, Pakistan and other such places then I'll give your point some credence. Until then, not so much.'

Oh okay. We'll ignore the Hindu fanatics who killed the Christian missionaries. And we'll look the other way every time anyone ever mentions the hyper-religious (and very Christian) Lord's Resistance Army. Remember them? They just killed hundreds of people in a rather bloody massacre in February this year. Dehumanization is an easy tactic. Everyone tries it when it suits them.

"Do you even think before you write this crap or is it all spinal reflex?'

It is very easy to drop down to the level of those who you oppose. I don't like that route. I believe in the inherent strengths of western civilization and beliefs. I believe humans change through experience. Therefore, I will continue to have these spinal reflexes because all I am really doing is challenging you self-proclaimed "protectors of the west" every time you take stances that are not consistent with western ideals. If I call people out on stereotyping, it is because stereotyping is not consistent with western ideals. Some of us claim that we are protectors of the west. Some of us do it in practice, albeit at the risk of being accused of spinal reflex (I mean, really?). Principles. Its all about principles.

"devil's advocate @2:48 - you do realize that the Catholic Church has no problem with the theory of Evolution, and that only some Protestant Churches do, right?"

?!

Where did I say anything about the Catholic Church's stance on evolution? I just said 'true' Christians would theoretically be a misfit in the medical science. Your statement seems to suggest that only Catholics are 'true' christians; those protestant churches/christians presumably aren't.

"Err yes you are nitpicking if you say Nazism is not outlawed in the west.'

I said the US. You are presumably referring to the nanny states of Europe. I prefer to think of the US as the leader of the west because of its emphasis on individuals, freedoms and rights. If you see the Scandinavian (or Canadian) model as the ideal, then thats up to you.

"Yet people are defending it, even as it encroaches on them "because they know a Muslim"."

Right. Where did I defend it? I called a couple of people out for stereotyping and then pointed out the flaw in your logic. In doing so, I defended Islam? Am I wrong to ask the obvious questions - namely, who decides on who is a 'true' muslim, and is it fair to state that all 'true' muslism want to kill all Christians (as the guy in the video states).

Its true I challenge the increasingly monotone view taken of Islam but that does not mean I am defending it. I am only challenging your views. If that unnerves you to the point where I become a de facto defender of Islam because of my persistent questioning of your claims, then, well, critical thought is an outdated virtue. I am not defending anything other than western ideals. And I will defend them regardless of your whipping boy for the day (commies, asians, muslims, mexicans etc).

"When the numbers of Muslims grow in North America closer to our European counterparts"

Well there you have it. You are essentially saying that muslims born in North America will be as crazy as the Saudi wahabbis. I disagree. Human beings change with experience (or else, we would have had to kill every Jap and German above a certain age at the end of WWII). And then theres post-Soviet Russia. Ideologies all, no?

The only solution, then, is to remove them all from North America. Even that is only a temporary solution, since they re going to outpopulate us on the global scale sooner or later.

I think that its better that we keep them here, immersed in ideas of freedoms and liberties that have survived the so-called dark ages. After all, the dark ages and enlightenment have shown us that human beings know how to choose the best ideas, even when they are surrounded by strong dogmatic institutions. We live by Roman and Greek ideals despite the fact that they disappeared long ago and were frequently opposed by the powers that be during the dark ages. What makes muslims so special that they won't be able to come to the same realization? Do they have special brains?

Your answer will, undoubtedly, be that when they accept these ideals, they will stop being true muslims. Isnt that what you want? What would be the better solution? To keep them right here, immersed in it all? Or to throw them into those extremist holes.

"No compelling argument explaining speciation through random mutation is available if RNA or DNA is the carrier of heredity."

I've got my hands full without getting into an argument on evolution and intelligent design. Its an argument for another day. All the same, if you fell up to it, I wouldn't mind hearing how you explain the development of drug resistant bacteria. Just don't expect too much by way of substance from me.

DA>

Enjoy your passive existence, and happy carbque's.

Knight99

I respectfully disagree with your comments @ 1:11.

I'm not certain, and I'm sure that many people would disagree that Islam is not a religion, but I digress. I believe that Robert W sums up my views about Canadian Muslims.

As Geraldo said last night, the best way to estimate the crowd is to count the legs and divide by two.

The problem is that western civilization is itself exhausted and has lost its confidence (at least at the educated class level). When our academic institutions and political class is leading the charge against its own culture, how can we expect Muslims to immerse themselves in western culture and respect our traditions? In fact, the Brits have found that their home-grown terrorists are of a middle class background, with moderate parents. The students were radicalized at UK universities. Their "experience" in the west consists of them agreeing with our academics and politicians about how awful our culture is. The radical imams then just have to pick out the young Muslims that are the easiest to manipulate. They should thank the progressives for doing half the work for them.

Beck isn't my cup of tea and all the Jesus references aren't either but I saw nor heard anything hateful from the program.

Compare what went on at the rally with the hatred coming from the official Left.

What bothers me more than anything else is the MSM's ongoing narrative that anything associated with the Tea Party (or a rally such as this) is racist because it's "almost only white people there". Really?! That makes it racist? The next time you attend a symphony or opera, look around and you'll see "almost only white people there". Is this a racist event too?!? Then go to a concert at the Apollo theater in NYC. Look around and you'll see "almost only black people there". Would you even dare to think that it was a racist event?!?

Beck isn't my cup of tea and all the Jesus references aren't either but I saw nor heard anything hateful from the program.

Compare what went on at the rally with the hatred coming from the official Left: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rCF5jpFnWc

What bothers me more than anything else is the MSM's ongoing narrative that anything associated with the Tea Party (or a rally such as this) is racist because it's "almost only white people there". Really?! That makes it racist? The next time you attend a symphony or opera, look around and you'll see "almost only white people there". Is this a racist event too?!? Then go to a concert at the Apollo theater in NYC. Look around and you'll see "almost only black people there". Would you even dare to think that it was a racist event?!?

Indiana >

Fair enough, I wasn't sure what comment you disagreed with.

Each to thier own, let's hope I'm wrong. Unfortunately Europe the canary in the coal mine, is not exactly showing me up as of yet. But you never know.

Robert W.

Yes & No in the eyes of the left.

devil's advocate - the Lord's Resistance Army is not Christian; it has nothing in it of Christianity.

It is tribal and animistic, filled with residue from the pre-colonial era, with Christian semantics used only as the 'new names' of these animistic and apocalyptic spirits.

You say that you know nothing of other religions (and I wonder about your knowledge of Christianity if you could make such a claim as above). I suggest you read up on the Qur'an, and understand that its text is not viewed, as are the texts within the Judaic and Christian religions as 'requiring interpretation' - but as instead, the immutable word of god.

Read the text; you might understand then that it has little to say about the metaphysical but a great deal to say about political and social organization and the rejection of other peoples. The violent rejection.

Islam has to reform but it has made its ideology very difficult to reform by insisting that its axioms are not created by man but by god.

Barry didn't watch the rally; he thinks it's neat that people got to express themselves, though:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/116303-obama-says-he-didnt-watch-weekend-beck-rally?page=2#comments

Oh, but whatever it is these hicks are steamed about, it's all actually Bush's fault.

"I do think that it's important for us to recognize that right now the country's going through a very difficult time as a consequence of years of neglect in a whole range of areas."

Whatever the numbers were, it was way less than Toronto's Gay Pride parade, where there were people stacked 10 on top of each other all the way up to Alert, NWT

@AtlanticJim
"The fact that it made you uncomfortable and that you found it cheesy says a lot more about you than it does about Beck."

Yes unlike Beck I have taste. With that many people attending they could have spent more on production values.

@ LC Bennett
"Tolerance is not a one-way street"

Of course not, I disagree with moonbats expressing their views at "Pride" as well, Queers Against Israeli Apartheid anyone?

I call moonbats when I see them (left or right) and the fact remains that there were SEVERAL moonbats in that video who expressed some rather extreme and views on a range of topics.

They have a right to say whatever they want at their own organized events just like I have a right to poke fun at the fringe elements within that group.

Hey trolls, wanna see your side in action?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Education-secretary-urged-his-employees-to-go-to-Sharpton_s-rally-651280-101839293.html

These are your guys. You voted for 'em. The worst of it is, I'm not even surprised by this.

Tell me again about that baaaaad ol' Glen Beck guy and those dangerous Republicans.

Revnant Dream: You are the only person I have come accross that has read "Peace Child". I read it some 10 - 15 yrs ago; it had a profound impact on me. I was astounded to read that this tribe, after being introduced to the scriptures (after the missionary painstakingly converting the test into their language) actually thought that Judas Iscariot was the hero of the Gospel of John because he betrayed Jesus and got away with it. They would have loved Bloomberg. I think that leftists share the same duplicity of heart and mind - any thing is ok - even hate - as long as it is directed at a conservative; despite the fact that the banner they march under is one of tolerance and freedom from hate.

Excellent book by the way and I highly recommend reading "Peace Child" especially given the infililtration of Islam in our society - there belief system and thought process is identical to that of the tribe highlighted in "Peace Child."

DA @ 6:12

The argument proposed regards the impossibility of evolution as an explanation of speciation if DNA or RNA is the carrier of heredity. With all due respect, I don't think your post replied to that.

The rise of drug-resistant traits may be easily explained if they are controlled by 1, 2; only a few genes.

May I offer as a counter-example the HIV virus, which was uncontrollable by existing drugs until researchers tried a 3 drug mixture of the existing drugs. Suddenly, the HIV genome did not provide sufficient mutation to circumvent the pressure created by the 3 drugs, and become resistant to the combination, which each had a slightly different mechanism of action. Once the 3 drug cocktail was tried, AIDS became largely a manageable disease, like heart disease, rather than a near-certain death sentence for a large fraction of its sufferers.

When you consider that the number of individual HIV viruses in a single untreated person is at least 20,000,000;( in a population of one million infected people, that amounts to 20 trillion individual unique HIV viruses). In this enormous population, resistance to multi-drug anti-retroviral therapy has not yet emerged.

I don't know how many individual gene mutations would confer multi-drug resistance, but it seems unlikely to be as many as the number necessary for eyesight in mammals.

Glenn Beck is a lunatic!! You've got to be partially brain dead to take the guy seriously. He preaches about 'not letting anybody, especially the government, tell you what you have to do', and then says, 'so here's what you have to do'. Loony as batsh1t. He constantly contradicts himself, saying one thing one month, and the next month calling somebody on 'the left' out for the same thing he said a month earlier!

One slightly OT link is about how advanced civilizations may be WIERD. Maybe we do think differently than others:

"Western, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic — people who are WEIRD — see the world in ways that are alien from the rest of the human family...Others punish participants perceived as too altruistic in co-operation games, but very few in the English-speaking West would ever dream of penalizing the generous...If WEIRD people are indeed weird, it is the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution that have made them so."

Obviously, this difference is caused by overwhelming whiteness

As I stated on an earlier thread, an excellent and thouraly turstworthy crowd estimater is contained below. The original "I have a Dream" speech recorded the historical crowd at 250,000. Becks speech included the full capicity of this speech plus an area that was not available during MLK's speech. Below is the previous comment I posted.

Been There Done That: 100, 000 is way to low. The link below shows pic's of the crowd that attended MLK's original speech 47 years ago - and Glenn Becks speech - Glenns Becks crowd was significantly larger. The left side of the photo posted on this site that was 3/4 full for Glenn's speech was covered in trees and did not exist at the time of the MLK "I have a Dream" which history has recorded as a crowd attendance of 250,000. Glenn's speech had the same areas filled as MLK's plus the huge area to the left.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/more-proof-by-half.html#comment-6a00d8341c60bf53ef0133f366de65970b

Posted by: No-One at August 29, 2010 5:51 PM

"As I stated on an earlier thread, an excellent and thouraly turstworthy crowd estimater is contained below"

Who cares how many people were there? Unless of course you are concerned with the collective and collective thought...that is the only reason it would matter. Who cares if the media underestimates the numbers...it doesn't make a difference to the content of the event or the issues at hand. I don't care HOW many people take Glenn Beck seriously...it doesn't make him any less crazy.

http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/thu-august-26-2010-richard-engel

"Who cares if the media underestimates the numbers...it doesn't make a difference to the content of the event or the issues at hand"

So well spoken BTJ. Who cares what the Truth is, all that matters is delusions.

Amusing indeed. Thanks for the laugh. We all know that if it were a crowd that defended lack of faith, Charity, and hope you would have been right there defending such principles, but since the message was one of restoring honor; faith, hope and charity, being liberal; those character traits are utterly repulsive to you.

So sad to be you. BTJ: just what is your value and belief system - not having one is indeed having one - no philosophy at all is a philosophy.

From what I can discern - your beliefs are anything goes which includes sanctioning Islam Ideology: stone to death adulterers as what happened last week or kill missionaries from other religions (even though they were not engaged in evangelism)as actions that are sanctioned by the left. As long as it is Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, who gives a shit, just as long as it is not agnostics or atheists it is ok. You weak cowardly spineless name that I dare not type. I need to spit now.

BeeTleJuice- Who cares??
Looks like you care enough to attempt to minimize the impact of a kick to the collective groin of the loony-bin leftists.
This is only the start my friend, only the start of a groundswell of conservatism and a repudiation of the ruinous socialist policies of a duplicitous, seditious regime.
Stay tuned. It's going to get better.

BTJ: Exactly - how do 1.5 million Muslims believe it is there religious duty to kill Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Mormons, Catholics, Desists, Confucianisms, atheists, agnostics, and all other belief systems that contain a kernel of truth.

Do you not see that their whole religion is based on arrognce (something you have in common) that no other idealogy or religion has it right so they all must be olbliterated so that Islam shines through - the only truth. do you really think that you would be spared a beheading sue to your liberal ideaogy.

First they would laugh at you you then deride you then rape your wife, girlfriend or daughter infront of you kill them, behead them, then you would be next. These are the type of persons you are sticking up for. All I can say is Fool and that I feel sorry for those who are counting on you for any sort of protection.

"So well spoken BTJ. Who cares what the Truth is, all that matters is delusions."

I didn't say that the truth doesn't matter...yes, the media is distorting numbers, that's not respectable. My point is, why is it important just how many people were there? What difference would it make if there were 600,000 people there or 100,000 people? They don't think for you, group think doesn't decide what is rational, what is fact.

"just what is your value and belief system"

Conservatism, Anarcho-capitalism, Libertarianism, Objectivism...spiritually - that would require a conversation.

"You weak cowardly spineless name that I dare not type. I need to spit now."

Settle down now, no need to give in to name calling and the sort.

"Exactly - how do 1.5 million Muslims believe it is there religious duty to kill Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Mormons, Catholics, Desists, Confucianisms, atheists, agnostics, and all other belief systems that contain a kernel of truth."

They don't.

"Do you not see that their whole religion is based on arrognce "

No, I don't. I see that people take religion and use it as they use anything else in their lives...as a means of identifying 'me', 'us', 'we' and creating a conflict with 'them', 'you', 'they'. Just as some Christians believe that any non-Christian is doomed to hell because their spiritual beliefs are the only right ones. Just as the goal of Mormonism is to convert the world, because any non-Mormons are doomed to hell.

"do you really think that you would be spared a beheading sue to your liberal ideaogy."

I don't really think about it to be honest with you..why should I? I've met lots of Muslims and none have been a threat to me.

"First they would laugh at you you then deride you then rape your wife, girlfriend or daughter infront of you kill them, behead them, then you would be next."

Uh, what...you have quite the imagination.

I stand corrected the 1. 5 Bilion who have been intimateded into a faith they did not want - the rest found the cash to pay the bounty to come to the USor Canada , yet despise the Sharia law they left and only now are beginning to speak out. Speaking out has cost these moderate muslims death threats, consider one of the founders of the Canadian Islam Congress, threatened to death because she spoke the truth about the mosquw. Shame on you BTJ - you are a super hyprocrite. Yet that will not save your head from being detached from its body when the time comes. Fool.

BTj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQmtVaUpBzs

The above link represents BTJ's relationship with SDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQmtVaUpBzs

No-One >

You got it ALL wrong No-One!

This = BTJ (substitute Muslim).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

"I stand corrected the 1. 5 Bilion who have been intimateded into a faith they did not want"

You're delusional, and even worse, you make up ridiculous words...what the hell is 'intimateded'?

"Yet that will not save your head from being detached from its body when the time comes. Fool."

Hmmmm...does this not warrant a snip??!!! At the very least.

Along with the rest of these two clowns' posts. Please tell me you two aint a day older than 16 years old..please.

Read what those pious Muslims did to little girls in Russian and then come back and tell me we've dealth with these kinds of savages before? Well we did but even the Nazis had a code of conduct unlike the Islamistic savages. May they rot in everlasting hell with pigs.

Story: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/six-year-terrible-anniversary-beslan-jihad.html

BTJ

Even people that are not as smart as you have valuable and wise things to say. The fact that you will ignore whatever GB says speaks to your inadequacies.

Someone commented there that "America changed today". America simply re-confirmed who they are and that they stand to be counted in seeing to it that America remains who she was at the beginning and will fight those who intend to change the country into something unrecognizable. The fight is on all fronts. Legal, Political and the adversaries have had a 40 year head start.
This was a shot over the bow that Americans will stand for it no longer.
Not only can they see November from the Washington Monument they can see 2012 from the White House!

Something I think we miss sometimes: Glenn Beck and MLK's niece were talking about the attacks they have endured as well as the death threats.
It takes an inner strength to get by all that and continue to do what you think is right.
It might not be 'religious' but it indicates character. The kind of character the whole country needs now if they are going to keep their country.

// Someone commented there that "America changed today". America simply re-confirmed who they are //

Some ambiguity about that.
To juxtapose --
Glenn Beck, speaking on Friday at the Kennedy Center-- "We are 12 hours away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America."

Sarah Palin, about 12 hours later: "We must not fundamentally transform America, as some would want."