AquaVelvaJad and his greasy mob come across like evil children playing a game of war in the back yard. The dialog is so juvenile and idiotic that one is tempted to not take them seriously.

We must take these pieces of shit very seriously.

We (the west) should be bombing them right now. Collateral damage is most often the excuse for not doing it, but that is no excuse when you consider what these evil children are up to doing to us.

A 4M/12ft long drone will carry 4 cruise missles? - Yeah i can see that - not!

We can cope with nasty. We can cope with stupid. Nobody can cope with nasty & stupid.

Me thinks Imabeinganutjob has been studying Soviet Russia and their plywood missiles that they would parade through Red Square every May Day.

It's a good question how much of the Iranian stuff
actually works. But sooner or later they will get
something to work, or buy it from the Chinese or
Russians, and do some major harm. I agree fully
with Abe Froman above: "We (the west) should be bombing them right now."
It will be harder six months from now, harder still the next year, and then they will attack us - if they wait that long.

It would have been a nasty little war had Britain and France attacked Nazi Germany in 1935.
It would have been a big war had they attacked in 1937; but it would not have been a world war.

Looks strangely enough like the V-1 Buzz bomb...

Everything 'old' is new again

Achtung, lebens gefahr!

Those must be mighty small cruise missiles it carries... maybe model rockets with propaganda leaflets inside.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group "True North"

Hans, check this out: http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/08/one-of-these-things-looks-just-like.html

He is such a wonderful ambassador to the world of of the advanced state of moral, intellectual and spiritual of Iranians and muslims.

So advanced, so pure. The progressives in western society are certainly to be enamored of such purity and excellence.

/sarc off

4 cruise missiles in a 13 foot drone??? He must be borrowing some pixie dust and unicorns from his buddy Obamaliar!
Actually this would be funny if not for the fact these Islamic Muslim nutbars are deadly serious,as we in the West should be.As Abe stated,bomb them NOW (and Turtle Bay while we are at it!)

Remeber what Obama said about the Muslims and their contributions to:

'tolerance, justice, progress, human dignity' and their 'exceptional accomplishments made by Muslims in the USA'. Needless to say, he provided no examples of either.

I like Ahmandinejad's description of the jet as an 'ambassador of death for the enemies of humanity' and also, a 'message of peace and friendship'.

Who and what is an enemy of humanity? According to whom? And how can a bomber be a message of peace and friendship?

The two of them, Obama and Ahmandinejad, are masters of empty pompous rhetoric.

The rich irony is that if Iranians nuke Israel they, along with the Iraqis and Jordanians will perish in the fallout plume.

If Israel nukes Iran, the plume will kill innocent Turkmenistan and Afghan populations.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is certifiably insane, egged on by crazy ayatollahs and imams and is a fervent believer in the imminent reappearance of the 12th Imam, who is supposedly going to end the struggle between good and evil in the last days.

It is no coincidence that he makes this proclamation today, August 22, which is the date that Muslims believe that Muhammed rode to heaven and back on a winged horse.

This guy is crazy enough to try to put the goals of the 12th Imam into motion, meaning he must destroy Israel and the Western world, so that Shiites can live in a cleansed world.

Or, if they lose the war and die, they achieve martyrdom, so death is no threat to them.

Win win.

Peace, friendship, and ambassador of death...you just can't separate those three concepts. They go together like Islam and tolerance.

The second sign that this is typical Ahmadinnerjacket bullshit is the 4 metre long/4 cruise missile/1000K range bit. The first sign is that it came out from between his lying lips.

I don't see a great difference between actually having the means / desire to bomb innocent people, and saying you have the means / desire to bomb innocent people.
After all, is saying you have a bomb / gun / box opener while you enter an airplane any different in the eyes of the law than actually having one as you enter an airplane?

Iran is still trading its name on the threat it poses to innocent people, I think it should be dealt the same hand, as if it actually intended to use its means to destroy Israel regardless of if its drone were made of plywood or not. Its intentions are the same either way, and the only way of discerning if its bombs are real are with Israel's blood.

Iran wants to be taken seriously? Then the west should take them seriously, with all that entails.

Is that an unmanned drone with excessive cruise missiles or is he just happy to see us?

Hard to understand why this nutjob was not taken out by the CIA after the 79 hostage incident.

I watched a vid of Israel's laser defense. It tracks and destroys missiles and what impressed me most a 107mm artillery shell. That drone even if it had the load it maintains would be a barn door at 10 feet with a shotgun.

Reminds me of the juxtaposition of "noted civil rights lawyer" and "maximum disruption" on the home front.

Orwell would have loved this century.

The nuclear facility may get a little "hello how are you" from Israel at any time now -- it's fairly isolated from civilian populations located about ten miles south of Bushehr on the Persian Gulf. Pick a day with a west wind and the nuclear fallout would drift over empty barren moonscapes, although that might not be the best plan.

"The jet, as well as being an ambassador of death for the enemies of humanity, has a main message of peace and friendship," said Ahmadinejad. This coming from a fourteen century "religion of peace" representative.

What's with these Assholes anyways?
"Ambassador of Death"? Sounds like a character in an kid's cartoon.
I call bullshit on all of this. It just doesn't make sense. Or, to channel Shania Twain- It don't impress me much.

I have only two words to comment on this issue. Surgical strike.

Peace with a bullet! Do Islamists know any other kind?
If its not threats it human bombs.
Yet their the persecuted ones.

Ambassador of Death with a main message of peace and friendship. Or, Ambassador of peace and friendship with a main message of Death. Either way, sounds like like this miracle of avionics should be named "Islam".

"[...]will have a range of 1,000 kilometres [...]not far enough to reach archenemy Israel. "

Who says they'll lauch it from Iran???

Lebanon - to name one - is much more conveniently situated.

That is bad English, I know, I was thinking
" bien situé " in my French Quebecer mind.

"Located" is the word I was looking for.

We (the west) should be bombing them right now. Collateral damage is most often the excuse for not doing it, but that is no excuse when you consider what these evil children are up to doing to us.

No-win situation - Conventional war with Iran pointless

By GWYNNE DYER, Special to QMI Agency

Last Updated: August 7, 2010

LONDON, ENGLAND -- -

When Admiral Mike Mullen, chairperson of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff and the highest-ranking American officer, was asked recently on NBC's Meet the Press whether the United States has a military plan for an attack on Iran, he replied simply, "We do."

General staffs are supposed to plan for even the most unlikely future contingencies. .... But what the planning process will have revealed, in this case, is there is no way for the United States to win a non-nuclear war with Iran.

The U.S. could "win" by dropping hundreds of nuclear weapons on Iran's military bases, nuclear facilities and industrial centres (that is, cities) and killing five to 10 million people, but short of that, nothing works. On this we have the word of Richard Clarke, counter-terrorism adviser in the White House under three administrations.

more at:
http://www.lfpress.com/comment/2010/08/06/14947021.html

So, are you suggesting a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran?

Simplistic as the unmanned bomber is shown, Hans has it right, this is a version of the V2. Forget about the claim of attached missiles. The point is any dumb bomb can have a GPS attachment placed making it exceptionally accurate. So the question is; what is the payload and range with a single warhead and how small can Iran make a fission weapon.

For those who will notice I meant V1, although I'm sure they are working on an improved Scud (V2) that can reach Israel.

Ah yes, no doubt built from the first graduating class from Obamas " new and improved" NASA.

Thanks......

[sarc. off]

GWYNNE DYER...? You really are desperate.....he has had less credibilty than Micheal Mann for about 2 generations....HAW HAW HAW.....you are a real comedian......why not quote Hedy Fry or Lizzy May???????

These Iranian loons are as dumb as the old Soviets with their plywood missiles in their May Day parades.
We covertly advised them we were not fooled....the plywood rockets/mockups lacked the rigidity of an operational rocket....you could see them quiver and then they had neglected to ballast them to emulate the weight of an unfueled rocket body, on the transporter.

One 1000 lb Rockeye on Iran's one, lonely, oil refinery would cripple Iran.

There is reason to believe that the much hailed, new, Russian SAM system is a paper tiger....a harmless stooge....it failed to protect Syria's now shredded nuke reactor.....Isreali losses 0 aircraft....Syria's losses---1 nuclear reactor.

GWYNNE DYER...........giggle.......

Any bet on Irans nuclear facility taken out this week, next month, or as a GREAT Christmas present.

I am all for the Christmas season......

This is the essential point of the article:

The U.S. could "win" by dropping hundreds of nuclear weapons on Iran's military bases, nuclear facilities and industrial centres (that is, cities) and killing five to 10 million people, but short of that, nothing works. On this we have the word of Richard Clarke, counter-terrorism adviser in the White House under three administrations.

The person who referenced Clarke is irrelevant, as any intelligent reader can see.

Ad Hominem attacks always prove that the statement was correct and that the person responding with the 'shoot the messenger' message is intellectually unable to respond to the subject of the discussion.

Gwynne Dyer said essentially the same thing about Iraq. Which fell in two weeks as I recall.

In Iran as in Iraq, the problem is not the people, but the rather unpopular government. Iran's sh1thead government will fall as easy or easier than Iraq.

And before you say anything about the insurgency, it will pretty much cease as soon as Amadinnerjacket is deposed and the Mullahs are running away to hide in France. The USA is already at war with Iran and has been since 2002, they're just fighting all the battles in Iraq right now.

Which is -stupid-.

With any luck the drone parts came from the ACME Company. Some western congratulations would help too.

John Galt
Citing Richard Clarke is not a sign of intelligence, or knowledge. One might usefully cite M. Ahmadinejad for his contributions to world peace and enlightenment.

Cheers

The geographic differences between Iran and Iraq are significant, as anyone who has studied the issues knows. Iraq is mostly flat desert, difficult to defend against a modern military force, and easily conquered. Iran is mountainous. Smart people like Richard Clarke know it can't be conquered with an invasion. Whether it's Gwynne Dyer, Red Green or Homer Simpson stating the facts is irrelevant. It's the message not the messenger that's important. Unfortunately some people simply can't comprehend issues; for them it's all about who said what. Trying to discuss concepts and issues with them is like trying to teach pigs to sing.

Gwynne Dyer approaches every issue from a leftist perspective.

JG:

Twice you quoted this:

The U.S. could "win" by dropping hundreds of nuclear weapons on Iran's military bases, nuclear facilities and industrial centres (that is, cities) and killing five to 10 million people.

Let's see now - the US drops 20 kiloton bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, both cities with populations under half a million, and kills 25-35% of the population within six months.

Iran has six major cities, each with populations over 1.2 million (Tehran is over 7 million) for a total of 15 million. Current US bombs are in the megaton range, or 100 to 1,000 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan. Average 4 bombs per city, and you need 24 bombs, not "hundreds", to kill 5 million people. Another half dozen to deal with the Iranian navy and their nuclear sites, and a few extra "just in case" specials, and you're still looking at less than 50 total to pretty much completely destroy all their urban centres, their major infrastructure, and their offensive capacity, while decimating their population. Since each Ohio class sub packs 24 Trident missiles with up to 8 MIRV's per missile, three subs could easily handle the chore - one for cities, one for military installations, and one for general mayhem.

Of course, it's obscene to calmly discuss the nearly instantaneous vaporization of millions of people, but we live in obscene times, don't we?

The fact remains, regardless of who states it, Iran can't be 'won' by conventional military tactics of invasion and occupation. Nukes are the only reasonable means, and I suspect that the subs to pull it off are on station at this moment. As useful as a preemptive nuclear strike might be, it's going to have to be in retaliation to an offensive move by Iran. Iran should be smart enough to realize this however if they don't, then they'll be nuked back to the stone age. There will be all sorts of diplomatic finger wagging, but nobody has the cohones to do anything about it.
Pragmatic yes, obscene, not really. Somebody is going to knock the Muslims back on their ass sooner or later.

Gwynne Dwyer is a unique individual. He has been consistantly wrong in just about everything he's ever commented on.
On a personal note, he's an arrogant little Leftie prick so I take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

I bet he had that fake drone made in China, sure hope he doesn't start licking the paint he's crazy as a loon as it tiss.

The discussion is about Iran. Comments about Dwyer are irrelevant. Don't be distracted by the inconsequential if you don't understand the issues.

As you travel down life's highway,
no matter what your goal,
keep your eye upon the donut,
and not upon the hole.