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August 22, 2010

Holding the Line

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Posted by Cjunk at August 22, 2010 11:06 AM
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Nice comparison to the '30s.

Leftist dilemma: how do we fight for peace?

Posted by: Dave in Mississauga at August 22, 2010 11:13 AM

Great presentation, well worth the time to watch.

Posted by: Lethbridge at August 22, 2010 11:33 AM

My sentiment's exactly.

You know the next leader of the u.s. could easily win on those tow point's as a platform.

No mosk at ground zero and no special treatemnt's period for muslims period .

And a big thick tall wall across the boarder everything get's flown in and out.

Posted by: Paul at August 22, 2010 11:47 AM

What a gig this guy has. Does he get paid to stand there and state the obvious? A hundred years ago, he could have stood up before his audience and said, "si vis pacem para bellum" and everyone would nod, remembering chanting that in school along with "amo, amas, amat," and his speech would be over. Unfortunately, such eternal truths are now seen as novel, as no one learns history anymore.

Posted by: Tom Paine at August 22, 2010 11:51 AM

"Bill Whittle is a writer, pilot and TV editor who lives and works in Los Angeles." This is about all I could find out on an admittedly cursory Google check. Does anyone else have more information?

Posted by: rita at August 22, 2010 11:57 AM

But...but..appeasement will work this time based solely on the overwhelming charisma of the apologist in chief.


Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at August 22, 2010 11:59 AM

The half century success of MAD to prevent major war (another World War) is evidence that "si vis pacem para bellum" really works.

Even HRH Philip Mountbatten, the warmist loon, declared that preparation for war was far cheaper than conducting one.

Posted by: sasquatch at August 22, 2010 12:07 PM

He is on quite frequently on PJM. I don't know if he is part of the org. or just a contributor. I lean towards the former.

http://pajamasmedia.com/

Posted by: Speedy at August 22, 2010 12:08 PM

Any takers on a bet that this will never hit the airwaves on CBC?

Michael Coren should interview Bill Whittle!

Posted by: glacierman at August 22, 2010 12:21 PM

Yes Syncro... And if Chamberlain had only employed the "intimidating" Obama BOW in his meetings with Hitler, we would have avoided all that WWII business altogether.

Posted by: altaguy at August 22, 2010 12:23 PM

Half of the US and Canada would write this guy off as a scare-mongering loon.

But then, half of the US and Canada are scare mongering loons themselves except they think it is the climate that is going to do us in.

Happily the climate threat is abating as fewer people believe in that bogey man. Not so for the rising tide of Islamic belligerence and violence.

Posted by: Abe Froman at August 22, 2010 12:41 PM

Tolerance is the most popular word in the lexicon of Canadian teachers. Some of them go even further. The fascist mentor of the fascist clique of 'educators' in the Peel region - Mr. Johnston - believes that tolerance is not a good enough word and that respect must be used instead.

Respect to the cultures hell bent on destroying us.

We don't have our own house in order as long as our children are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in the public education system. To survive we need to start fresh with respect to our politicians and educators. If this society does not cleanse itself of socialist plague, its destruction is spelled on the wall.

Posted by: Aaron at August 22, 2010 12:47 PM

He did (and still does) the "Afterburner" blog, and now does it on PJTV.

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56

He did a great schooling of Jon Stewart on the reason for the dropping of Atomic Bombs.

Posted by: Pongo at August 22, 2010 12:51 PM

the message here is only partly true.

the jihadists will have their confrontation regardless of the position or expressed intentions of the west.

Posted by: beagle at August 22, 2010 12:58 PM

Thanks for filling me in on Bill Whittle. I was more curious about his background.

Posted by: rita at August 22, 2010 1:00 PM

I believe I posted that bit about the Japanese building a Shinto shrine next to the USS Arizona last week some time. Either here or at Blazing Cat Fur. Great minds think alike, it seems.

The comparison is apt. I've seen plenty of "progressives" who would probably think that was a great idea. Some of them wo0rk at the Smithsonian, their original display for the Enola Gay amounted to an accusation of war crimes against the USA for nuking Japan.
nytimes.com/1994/08/30/us/smithsonian-alters-plans-for-its-exhibit-on-hiroshima-bomb.html

These will be the same useful idiots militating for "tolerance" re the Obamamosque.

Apropos of this bit, I have a nice picture comparison post up today. http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/08/one-of-these-things-looks-just-like.html

Posted by: The Phantom at August 22, 2010 1:05 PM

beagle said: "the jihadists will have their confrontation regardless of the position or expressed intentions of the west."

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if they didn't have NUKES when they did it? Or nerve gas, or a nice bioweapon?

I think it would also be really nice if the confrontation happened in -their- back yard, not mine. If I'm stuck with having a confrontation with jihadists, I want to WIN it.

Posted by: The Phantom at August 22, 2010 1:17 PM

"si vis pacem para bellum" got us through the extremely dangerous Cold War.

On a different time scale "si vis pacem para bellum" has kept Switzerland free.

SO what's the problem?

Posted by: John Lewis at August 22, 2010 1:22 PM

Bill Whittle's blog is called Eject! Eject! Eject!

The URL is: pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/

Posted by: Susuu at August 22, 2010 1:23 PM

Can someone tell me what WW1 was actually _about_? I read and read but feel like I'm missing something. Seriously. It can't all be because the archduke got shot...

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at August 22, 2010 1:31 PM

I too find Whittle's overrated ability to state the obvious using thousands of words when a hundred would do tiresome, and have for years.

I forget that what is obvious to me is news to millions of uneducated/witless people

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at August 22, 2010 1:33 PM

Ms. Shaidle: WWI occurred, in my humble opinion, because Prince Metternich got it wrong at the Congress of Vienna in 1814-15. Maintaining a balance of power over more than a few years' span of time is nearly impossible, as the relative strengths of coalitions--and, more importantly, perceptions of strength and weakness--change over time. What is more, these coalitions have the potential of turning a localized conflict, say, Austria vs. Serbia, into a regional--or even a global--war. Europe had narrowly averted this before WWI, during the Franco-Austrian (1859) and Franco-Prussian (1870) wars, but the continent's luck ran out in 1914, when all parties involved had a great deal more firepower than they did in the 19th century.

P. S.: I'm a great fan of your blog.

Posted by: Carlos Perera at August 22, 2010 1:55 PM

Kathy, do you know how many people believe the Great Depression was started by the 1929 Stock Market Crash and not the economic disaster created mainly by the interference of Herbert Hoover and FDR?

The economy was rebounding and unemployment dropping when these idiots against all economic advise raised tariff walls and killed trade and the depression was on. Though Europe was hurt far more by their own internal tariffs international trade dropped by 2/3 and unemployment soared to 25%.

The same government stupidity is going on today on a much more massive scale and that's why Harper pleaded with government leaders to not raise tariffs.

Vast amounts of people don't read the news or care so Bill Whittle's straight talking is important.

Posted by: Dave at August 22, 2010 2:10 PM

You folks are really missing something if you're not regular viewers of PJTV (Pajamas Television, part of Pajamas Media). Bill Whittle is one of the staples there and his spot-on views are always skilfully delivered. Some of them, like this one, are real barnburners. I've often thought that we need a collaborative blog like Pajamas Media here in Canada. Kate would be a natural. Hint. Hint.

Posted by: Louise at August 22, 2010 2:18 PM

ET, I happen to think we Parliament should be recalled to deal with this issue right now, it's an emergency.

Posted by: Liz J at August 22, 2010 2:39 PM

Pat Condell has the same take on the ground zero mosque proposal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=player_embedded

A clash of civilisations is coming. The problem as I see it is the size of the ever growing fifth column amongst us. It is going to be very ugly.

One factor which Whittle overlooks in this clip is the way that Commonwealth officers in WW1 led from the front. Many thousands of the brightest and best of an entire generation were lost on the battlefields of France. We are increasingly seeing the bitter legacy that has left.

Posted by: LT at August 22, 2010 2:48 PM

OK, Obama is the new and equally nutless Carter. That's easy. But who is or could be the new Ronald (Just try me Mr. Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi!)Reagan?

One of my favourite quotes of iRon was "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women." As anyone with an IQ over room temperature knows it is ALWAYS the exact wrong time to have an abject coward in the US presidency. Cut from better cloth indeed.

Posted by: EyesWideShut at August 22, 2010 3:00 PM

LT @ 2:48 PM you are so right. I have a foreboding sense that we are headed for the big one in the not to distant future and if and when we win, the left, as we know it, now will be nothing but dust and smoke. This is what political correctness and brainwashing university faculties in our universities have done.

Posted by: Louise at August 22, 2010 3:01 PM

Here's one of the latest columns by Bill:

http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/

He wrote a blood-in-the-eyes essay that I loved. If I can find it, I'll post again.

Posted by: Rosalind at August 22, 2010 4:45 PM

kathy


"""I forget that what is obvious to me is news to millions of uneducated/witless people"""


ah yes, there are those who have ALL the answers


and then there are those with some intelligence, they have all the questions

Posted by: GYM at August 22, 2010 6:04 PM

I agree with Louise.

I pay $5/month for access to PJTV (Pajamas TV). One can see some of their videos without paying, but $5 is small potatoes for the ability to see a whole lot more: Andrew Klavan's "On the Culture" is worth the price of admission.

For what it's worth, I appreciate Bill Whittle.

Posted by: lookout at August 22, 2010 8:47 PM

I think Kathy Shaidle has a crush on Bill Whittle. Sorry, he's out of your league. ;)

Posted by: Doug at August 22, 2010 8:53 PM

I have thought for a long time that there is a very real comparison to our times and the rise of Fascism/Nazism (sp??) in the 1930's. Bill Whittle has articulated my views much more eloquently!

Does our population have the "balls" for the confrontation - I sincerely hope so!

Posted by: Johanne at August 22, 2010 9:20 PM

lol Doug

Shaidle can go pound sand since it doesn't hit back.

Posted by: Incisor at August 22, 2010 9:23 PM

I'd far rather Bill Whittle's videos be shown in our kids' classrooms -- giving a history lesson that a few generations of Canadian students have absolutely no concept of -- than David Suzuki's "A Planet for the Taking" and Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth," (something he's finding out about, now that AGW has been shown to be the fraud he failed to disclose).

As to whether we have the courage to push back the intolerant, illiberal, and totalitarian forces arrayed against us, I have my doubts. Our society has become so self-centred and so obsessed with comfort, pleasure, and entertaining itself, that's it difficult to imagine what inner fortitude we might be able pull upon -- when there doesn't appear to be any.

Posted by: batb at August 22, 2010 9:46 PM

This video is utterly worthless...it glazes over any detailed examination of geopolitics, instead presenting a VERY superficial and shallow summary of world history. Bill Whittle is a writer and editor...he's a layman who spouts opinion without factual basis.

He ignores the fact that the US was well aware of what Hitler was doing leading up to WWII, and in fact were supporting him (see the history of IG Farben and Bayer). He ignores all geopolitics between the US and the ME, instead concentrating on 'feelings' and 'attitudes'. He leaves out any examination of the American Constitution in relation to the Mosque. Instead he makes unsupported claims, inaccurate summaries of history, uses childish insults, and spouts opinion. He is for the daft, the group thinkers, those who cannot learn for themselves and need some douche to echo their own opinion.

A terrible waste of time.

Posted by: BTJ at August 22, 2010 10:17 PM

BTJ, allow me to borrow your very own words to describe your vaunted comment:

"a terrible waste of time."

Posted by: Doug at August 22, 2010 10:28 PM

btj "small and silly"

Posted by: Ford Prefect at August 22, 2010 10:54 PM

BTJ - surely in the camp of "useful idiots" Someday you may (probably not) wake up and say "WTF"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: a different bob at August 22, 2010 11:23 PM

BTJ

The issue with the 911 mosque is not it's constitutional right to exist, but rather the cultural appropriateness of such a symbolic gesture.

Zooooooooooooooommmmm!!!!!!!!!!

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at August 22, 2010 11:53 PM

"the cultural appropriateness of such a symbolic gesture"

Go on...continue your argument.
Why do I continue to read statement of this sort on a site that claims to champion Ayn Rand philosophy?

Posted by: BTJ at August 22, 2010 11:56 PM

@btj

PAH!
You completely missed the references to WW1. To reasons why the liberals after the WW1 had similar views to liberals today. Missed even references to Chamberlain and Churchill.
Facts and similarities.
And found only WWII."unsupported claims", "childish insults" and "inaccurate summaries".
NO wonder that a guy who had major impact on a history of Europe after WW1 called such people as you - "useful idiots"

Posted by: ella at August 23, 2010 12:06 AM

"You completely missed the references to WW1. To reasons why the liberals after the WW1 had similar views to liberals today. Missed even references to Chamberlain and Churchill."

Oh I heard them...perhaps they have the same views BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME POLITICAL IDEOLOGY! How shocking! Liberals are like Liberals?! You don't say!

Posted by: BTJ at August 23, 2010 12:12 AM

BTJ - head in the sand as usual.

Posted by: Dirtman at August 23, 2010 12:14 AM

btj

Oh I heard them
Quite. But hearing something is not the same as listening to something. Nor does it equal understanding.

Posted by: ella at August 23, 2010 1:02 AM

I remember Bill's immortal words spoken during a Charles Addler interview: "Obama is an IDIOT!!!"

Not nearly as eloquent as Mr. Whittle's "Suicide by Cowardice" commentary but the message is the same.

Like I said before, the Victory Mosque is the issue on which Obama's Presidency finishes its implosion. I doubt he'll keep the Presidency to the end of the first term. Even senior members within his own party are having trouble not expressing growing distrust in their POTUS. All that's missing are the treason charges and the subsequent trial after Iran launches on Israel.

That's one huge thing that the vast majority of American's never had an issue over with Dubya. They always knew that his heart never wavered from its place behind the Flag and the citizens of the U.S.A..

Posted by: Martin B. at August 23, 2010 1:16 AM

"Quite. But hearing something is not the same as listening to something. Nor does it equal understanding."

Like I implied...it's not a hard concept to understand...Liberals are like Liberals...how revolutionary an idea :S

What Bill failed to examine is the fact that BOTH parties, since the end of WWII, have been heavily involved in geopolitics throughout the ME. Nor does he examine the fact that feeling a reluctance towards conflict after having endured a brutal conflict is characteristic of human nature, rather than a political strategy. Nor does he explain HOW any of America's ideals are threatened by outside forces. America is threatening itself by opposing the Mosque...it threatens its own ideals. Here are some parts of a speech relevant to the Mosque debate:

"But the Mayor said, "Don't come."

I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for the newspaper ads saying the same thing. "Don't come here." This is our country. As Americans we are free to travel wherever we wish in our broad land.

They say we'll create a media distraction. But we were preceded here by hundreds of intrusive news crews. They say we'll create political distraction.

They say, "Don't come here." I guess what saddens me most is how it suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and the (the rest of our group) are somehow to blame, that we don't care as much as they, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of (a devastated city).

And yes, (our group) members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the (people involved in the tragedy) from evil, mindless executioners.

"Don't come here." That's offensive. It's also absurd, because we live here.

So we have the same right as all other citizens to be here ... to help shoulder the grief... to share our sorrow ... and to offer our respectful, reasoned voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy

One more thing. Our words and our behavior will be scrutinized more than ever this morning. Those who are hostile toward us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us. So let us be mindful ... the eyes of the nation are upon us today. "

Posted by: BTJ at August 23, 2010 2:02 AM

Bill Whittle is one of the smartest men in America.....Gospel. Check out his comments on Pajamas TV and you'll get the drift.

Posted by: Rick at August 23, 2010 3:21 AM

From time to time a few leftist, tree hugging types deploy outside my office building, usually to catch the lunch hour crowd, and hand out their leftist, tree hugging, literature. The pamphlets are always the same with "AGAINST ALL FORMS OF VIOLENCE, WAR, and INJUSTICE!". Every single time one of these folks try to hand me one, I ask them: "Would you commit violence to stop injustice?" After the customary 30 seconds of silence and the totally blank stare in response (which I think is their brain rebooting), I just go ahead and tell them again that their ideology is self-contradictory and illogical and that a child in grade four out on the playground has enough smarts to see the flaw in their arguments.

Posted by: BobC at August 23, 2010 12:37 PM

What crap!

Posted by: ishmael at August 23, 2010 5:09 PM

Loved it. Interesting. its like a Video editorial. VE?

Posted by: Revnant Dream at August 23, 2010 6:15 PM

He pegged it when he stated that the elites in each of their respective countries (including the USA)ignored what Hitler was doing right in front of them through progressive provocations, not unlike a child testing an adult to see what they can get away with.

Posted by: No-One at August 24, 2010 11:46 AM
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