From recent news coverage I think we can all see that China's environment is the last thing any sane country would want to emulate.

I'm curious to read the author's explanation of the cause of the mass green insanity apparently in an upcoming book. My own thoughts are that the West's affluence in the 60s which, combined with some actual environmental problems, led to the first of three waves (to the present) of green hysteria. The affluence created a market for hysteria pimping from the publicly-funded (lysenkoised) researchers which, as an industry had a symbiosis with the hysteria parrots of the mainstream media, ensuring the political class and feeble minded reinforced each wave. To this environment you add whoring rent seekers and voila, madness on the scale of Ontario Hydro paying solar producers over 10 times the cost of conventional electricity. Meanwhile, China is adding coal fired capacity at the equivalent rate of one Australia per year. Is there any question over who will be the dominant economic powerhouse in a generation?

The Chinese aren't that dumb. They realize that hard-core industrialization is where the money and backbone of any Nation is. (And agriculture -- the ability to feed itself).

As the West loses their industrial (and agricultural) base in favour of tertiary or cuartenary service industry -- i.e. "fourth tier junk that nobody really needs to live", the Chinese are laughing at us.

The West is basically turning into Nations of social workers and entertainers, who couldn't pick up a shovel or a wrench if their lives depended on it. And whose most prolific skill is to wimper and cry.

"My own thoughts are that the West's affluence in the 60s which, combined with some actual environmental problems, led to the first of three waves (to the present) of green hysteria."

The environmental movement is an invention of the ComIntern.
The whole thing has been guided and funded by Communism from the beginning and marketed for mass comsumption by communist agents of influence in the mass media and universities.

The goal is to de-industrialize the West so that it is stripped of the ability to build the weapons it needs for defence.
The environmental movement is, essentially, a reverse of Stalin's Great Leap Forward which made the Soviet Union a military Super Power.

Well now, this is certainly ironic is it not? A book from Communists in Communist China, slagging Western Communist strategy.

A certain delicious circularity about it all, I must say.

Frankly, I'm bored with the whole damned thing and it seems that so are all of my friends. 'Climate change' has virtually disappeared as a topic of conversation among us. I think that the media are going to have to come up with some big new panic to get our attention again. OTOH, most of us feel that another large global war is impending and that should be enough to put all the trivial concerns on the back burner.

The Chinese will be building them all anyway. Both solar and wind require a large amount of rare earth metals. China produces 95% of all rare earth metals. China has announced they will no longer be exporting rare earth metals after this year. They also have a huge advantage in building costs.

I believe you will see that the rise in environuts coincides with the migration from rural to urban population. Since the urban environment is an artificial construct including the pollution it is well within man's power to change. However in the rural environment people are aware of their vulnerabilities to the natural world and thus are much more aware of the minimal impact mankind is having on his environment let alone his ability to control it.

In mid January a typical urbanite living in a high rise may well open his window to cool off his overheated condo. 50 miles away on that same day the farmer listens to the howl of the hydraulics as he throws extra feed in front of his cows so they won't lose weight in the extreme cold.

I have never heard of the Chinese elevation as
paragons of ecological propriety, though I have
heard much of the smog in the larger Chinese cities,
and know of the pleasure some Chinese take in their
industrial advancement. The ball is in their court,
as they know.

Chinese know well of their industrial development into a superpower, and (the ones I have met) are proud
of it. It is very Leftist to be unaware of these
things, very leftist to be unaware of the Chinese
diaspora; for the typical leftist ignoramus the
Chinese are living in some distant and mystical kingdom;
other than those who run Chinese restaurants, of course.

As John Lewis wrote, China is hardly a worthy environmental juggernaut to emulate. A friend took pictures of Shanghai and, needless to say, that wasn't mist choking its citizens. China might emerge as top dog for a while but it won't last.

Pollution isn't a problem for China, they have lots of people to waste. The value of human life in Asia is much different from what we're accustomed to in Western society. Just another example of Western culture assuming the rest of the world shares their values.

You could title this. Becoming a barbarian by default.

The phrase "if we don’t do it China will" can be understood once you realize who the "we" are. "We" are politicians, scammers, and econuts talking to each other. Meaning: "if the Chinese get way ahead on this, "We" will find the patronage well, scam income, and the need for higher taxes to put up local phony factories to make obsolete junk has passed us by".

"From recent news coverage I think we can all see that China's environment is the last thing any sane country would want to emulate."

Believe it or not, some people (the Left) hold China on a pedestal as an environmental example to the world.

Where I work I was forced to take a "Sustainability" survey. In the material, China was heralded as a trailblazer in environmental policy referring to China's "One Child" policy. To this day I'm still disgusted!

Good for China.

If I was going to ask China for domestic policy advise; I'd ask what their best idea would be for dealing with our Leftards here at home, who would cripple our country for no sane reason.

I'm sure they could suggest a very efficient solution for dealing with our dead-weight.

John Galt, Indiana, bingo. China is a filthy country with zero respect for ANY human life. If leftists have these "inconvenient truths" in front of them, their heads would explode.

Q: How is wind stored?

"and Storage System".

PM Harper has made a gross error on this crap.

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"PM announces support for Wind Energy project in Prince Edward Island

August 20, 2010
North Cape, Prince Edward Island

Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced the Government of Canada is providing support for an innovative research project in Prince Edward Island which will advance Canada’s understanding and use of wind power as a clean energy source. He was joined by Gail Shea, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

“As generating electricity from fossil fuels becomes more costly, and concerns mount about the environmental impact of doing so, our Government is actively supporting research into vital new technologies,” said Prime Minister Harper.

The Government is supporting the Wind Energy Research and Development Park and Storage System project in Prince Edward Island through the five-year Clean Energy Fund announced in Canada’s Economic Action Plan. With a focus on research, the project will add to Canada’s understanding of the production, operation, storage and installation of small and large wind energy technologies.

“Together with other existing alternative energy sources, this project will bring the proportion of the Island’s electricity generated by renewable power sources to about one fifth,” said the Prime Minister. “This is a significant accomplishment for Prince Edward Island that will contribute to Canada’s goal of becoming a clean energy superpower.”

This joint initiative with the Wind Energy Institute and the Government of Prince Edward Island will be the first combined wind energy and storage system in the Province."

"From the Prime Minister's Web Site (http://www.pm.gc.ca/)"

maz2, is it possible that Harper has been drinking some koolaid with Prentice?

Oz is onto something at 12:06

Nota Bona...
We old COLD WARRIORs never lost awareness that RUSSIAN communists were RUSSIANs first and communists second. Same with Chinese, Vietnamese, Cuban, German communists. Only in the west were these bolsheviks internationalists.
It is widely held that the USSR collapsed, taking with it the rest of the communist regimes(most anyhoo) because it didn't work economically....to a point this is largely correct......but.....
One of the factors we factored in was waining political support for the USSR elites. Afghanistan due to circumstances required a expeditionary force of ethnic russians(no minorities)...with casualties that the ethnic russians resented......their exclusive lot. Administering the Soviet Empire drained ethnic russians as administrators and involved resented losses to intermarriage with the "colonials".
Russian nationalism weaken the USSR. Remember despite their fofferal of accusing the west of being colonialist/imperialist.....the USSR was the last great imperialist/colonialist empire.
The economic reality was the communists simply could afford to do anything other than prioritize function over form.
Which brings me to explain, by parable, the current "green" mania and the hard-left takeover of the USA.
Picture this Sci-Fi scenario....an advanced civilization, facing over-population and resource shortage began a vast interstellar colonalising programe. Robot drones spread through the universe seeking habitable worlds and reporting their (obvisously already occupied)finds....were followed by "cleansing" drone robots who eliminated the new worlds' indiginous occupants/civilizations...followed by the colonist transports. Inevitably the empire collapses but the drones continued on preparing for occupied ships which would never come........
Such is the (comintern inspired) "green carbon" initiative and hard-left Obama regime.....the COLD WAR is over but somehow they haven't realized/figured out it is over and their side lost.
They fail to accurately assess Chavez, the NORKs or Mugabbe......for what they are....buggy-whip builders in an age of diesels......
China has demographic problems which will limit it's ambitions...financially. A whack of males with no available spouse and an aging population lacking pensions or a Social Security to care for them in their decling years.....a war would solve the male surplus but the senior support problem will have to be addressed....sapping the resources to build a navy etc to challenge the US. Then there are the non-Han minorities not subject to the 1 child policy which are prolific...causing more resentment and unrest.
Interesting times indeed.

[quote] Chinese government as rejecting CAGW in its entirety, believing it a conspiracy between Western governments and business to protect their own way of life, at the expense of the entire developing world—in other words, 80% of the world’s population.[/quote] Plot

This is an accurate conclusion given that a time will come when the Cap & Trade gangsters can't make any more money...The Western Gov'ts will be quick to reverse course, but the developing countries will bog down refusing to admit thier mistakes.

The only solution is to "Breed the Stupid out of the Marxists" aka environmentalists