A diminutive white lady, followed by her ten years-old son, makes a desperate effort to keep the place bearable: while on her way, she stoops to pick up three discarded bags of French fries, and throws them in the bin where they belong. As soon as she walks into the lobby, a youngster dumps his uneaten shawarma right in front of the glass door.[...]
The stench of urine is suffocating. Tears come instantly to my eyes. It gets worse as we set foot in the elevator.
[...]
“She (my wife) was aghast when she first set foot in France”, says Alibekov. “She told me: why, this is Africa!”
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk—
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control—
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf—
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
Rudyard Kipling
Posted by: Chris in Ontario at August 11, 2010 12:09 PM“She told me: why, this is Africa!”
That's what I've been thinking about Toronto. In even the worst neighbourhoods, many of our new immigrants must think they're in heaven, while turning what used to be a well-ordered and lovely city into a hell hole.
Disclaimer: This is not a racist statement. It is a statement of fact, a factual observation.
I'm not blind and I'm able to connect the dots.
Posted by: batb at August 11, 2010 12:13 PMThat is frightening.
Posted by: Soccermom at August 11, 2010 12:36 PMSounds like you need a new basketball court in your neighbourhood, batb. /sarc off
The lunatics are running the asylum now. Here in Nova Scotia there were protests because there was a detour for a bridge that was on private land and locked with only the 10 families that lived on that dirt road having keys(along with police & fire). Everyone else had to use another detour. The fact that all of the 10 families happened to be white turned this into a race thing with black protesters coming out of the woodwork. It didn't matter that they didn't live in the affected area, it was whitey putting the brother down. After "meaningful dialogue" the 10 families will have to go the long way around. The owner of the land that this dirt detour went through took back his keys. What a load of horse crap. While this isn't an immigration example it is an example of same "progressive attitude".
Posted by: Texas Canuck at August 11, 2010 12:50 PMThe same mentality, of using the govt welfare system for one's sustenance can be found here.
It's not simply an immigrant issue but a mindset created and nurtured by that welfare and refugee system. We have white, black and south asian peoples who essentially live completely off welfare. Being a single parent becomes a deliberate economic choice, because by doing so, you are fully supported by the state. That includes medical, dental, housing - everything.
You don't need to work; it's unthinkable to plan on a career. Because by doing so, you no longer get the benefits of not working. You aren't responsible for a thing. If you run out of food or get in touble with a landlord or whatever - there's always some social office that will assist you.
This is a tribal mentality, where some higher authority (the gods) will provide for you. It is also a non-industrial and undemocratic mentality for the belief is that anyone who has, must 'share' it with others. Since the industrial economy 'has' - it must 'share' it with others.
The young move into crime and gangs because it provides them with esteem and fast 'big bucks'. A long educational path and eventual career doesn't provide them with the same rapid economic and psychological returns as the local gang.
We see this in our cities - with Jamaican and South Asian criminal gangs, with smaller ethnic gangs as well. We see generations of people living on welfare - and living quite well, with their flat TVs, their cell phones, their taking taxis to their social service appointments, their subsidized housing.
What's to be done? The welfare and refugee system has to be radically restructured to operate as an emergency, time-limited and low percentage system. No society can survive if a large proportion of its population refuse to be productive and insist on living off the work of others.
Posted by: ET at August 11, 2010 12:51 PMThere should be specific immigration requirements (language, education, accepting professionals we NEED here)and limits on how long someone can collect social benefits. Are we not trying to build a stronger country? Instead I see many people unable/unwilling to support themselves (and don't get me started on the generational welfare thing). I fail to see how this is helpful to them and those left to foot the bill. Clean this up, then maybe we can talk about so called refugees.
In many, many ways, we should be following Australia's lead with new immigrants. As always: if you're not happy with the way things are here....GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM, don't even think about trying to change OUR country.
Posted by: anne (not from cornwall) at August 11, 2010 1:20 PMI've taught the kids of the immigrants ET's describing. Are they grateful for the new, improved life they now have in a safe—compared to where they’ve come from—and prosperous society that takes care of their every need—for nothing? No way.
These kids are being taught, by the same socialist idiots who are redistributing the “wealth” of productive citizens, that they are entitled and have rights. (Responsibilities? Not so much.)
In my experience, the absolute rudest, look-down-their-nose students have been hijabbed Somali girls—with cleavage showing under the folds of their head covering. They game the system mercilessly and treat their elders as so much chaff.
What idiots we are to take it. It’s time we ignored the term “racist”: it’s no more than a smokescreen for letting a whole lot of swindlers off the hook. It’s time to call a spade a spade.
Saudi wants their clock, of course made by Germany not the muslims, to replace Greenwich Time as the world's standard.
http://life.nationalpost.com/2010/08/11/saudi-arabia-hopes-giant-clock-will-establish-%E2%80%98mecca-time%E2%80%99-to-replace-gmt/
There are over 500 Tamils on their way to Canada by boat and we are doing nothing to stop them just arranging a holding area before, as the 76 from last month, are released as refugees.
The Liberals, MP Holland, are saying the CPC are persucuting muslims by forcing them to show their faces before boarding our planes.
Stick a fork in us we are done.
Posted by: Dave at August 11, 2010 1:37 PManne, I've often wanted to say to the ingrates I've mentioned, "If you don't like our rules, then go the heck back to where you came from." It wouldn't matter how rude, insubordinate, or subversive their behaviour—I'd be the one disciplined for "inappropriate behaviour".
It's a mad, mad world . . .
I'm sorry to read what is happening in France and most of Europe. By the time we are asked to assist them, I fear it will be mostly an evacuation effort like Dunkirk. And by that time we may be in a similar situation. It has already begun.
A civilization that has lost confidence in itself, in it's own values and traditions, is not long for this earth.
Posted by: Larry at August 11, 2010 1:42 PM"A civilization that has lost confidence in itself, in it's own values and traditions, is not long for this earth."
It's not that We the People of Western Civ. have lost confidence. It's that the fascist left hates Western Civ. and they've managed to take over most of the West's MSM and public educational systems. So, we're bombarded with propaganda, lies that when repeated enough, do start to change peoples' consciousness.
However, unless and until We the People of these great democratic nations of Western Civ. stand up and start fighting for our Civilization, things will only get worse and we'll be partly responsible.
We must be and act like Citizens, not subjects.
"For evil to triumph, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke, 18th century philosopher and statesman.
Posted by: Dave in Pa at August 11, 2010 1:59 PMIn Australia, it's called The Australian Values Statement
http://www.immi.gov.au/living-in-australia/values/
From 15 October 2007, all applicants aged 18 years and over are required to sign a values statement when applying for selected visas. The statement requires applicants to confirm that they will respect the Australian way of life and obey the laws of Australia before being granted a visa.
You must sign this statement if you are aged 18 years or over.
I confirm that I have read, or had explained to me, information provided by the Australian Government on Australian society and values.
I understand:
•Australian society values respect for the freedom and dignity of the individual, freedom of religion, commitment to the rule of law, Parliamentary democracy, equality of men and women and a spirit of egalitarianism that embraces mutual respect, tolerance, fair play and compassion for those in need and pursuit of the public good
•Australian society values equality of opportunity for individuals, regardless of their race, religion or ethnic background
•the English language, as the national language, is an important unifying element of Australian society.
I undertake to respect these values of Australian society during my stay in Australia and to obey the laws of Australia.
I understand that, if I should seek to become an Australian citizen:
•Australian citizenship is a shared identity, a common bond which unites all Australians while respecting their diversity
•Australian citizenship involves reciprocal rights and responsibilities. The responsibilities of Australian Citizenship include obeying Australian laws, including those relating to voting at elections and serving on a jury.
If I meet the legal qualifications for becoming an Australian citizen and my application is approved I understand that I would have to pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people."
How's that for an intelligent approach to people who seek to undermine the developed identity of a nation? Harper is trying to do the same here, with his revamped immigration rules - but our sophist left isn't making it easy for him.
Our refugee rules are a joke. Australia has moved beyond allowing any and all to come and simply claim refugee status. Meanwhile in Canada when Harper did the same with Mexicans - the Liberals went berserk. And we have now, boatloads of Tamils arriving in BC - with more of them back in Sri Lanka, watching carefully to see what Canada will do, before sending more and more boatloads.
Remember two years ago, when the Tamils in Toronto took over Toronto main streets and expressways - closing them down, insisting that the Canadian govt MUST impose sanctions on the Sri Lanka govt. How's that for democracy, respect for the rule of law? Oh - and they put women and children at the front lines. When asked about this, a Tamil actually had the nerve to say that this showed their 'commitment to equality of men and women'.
In Canada, under the Liberals, the doors were open. In return, you were supposed to vote for Liberals. But wait - were these people citizens and legally allowed to vote??? Did it matter?
I've sat in as observer in several elections. Did you know that in Canada there is NO, I repeat, NO requirement to show proof of citizenship in order to vote? If your name isn't on the registration list, you can get it on..simply by showing two pieces of paper with your name and address on it. Could be a telephone, hydro bill. Doesn't matter. But - there's no need to show proof of citizenship.
So - for the Liberals, these people were and remain, a key voter bloc for them.
The Liberals set up the open door immigration and refugee policy. Harper is trying to change it but it's no easy - and at the moment, there is no legal way he can stop the boatloads of Tamils arriving, claiming refugee status and instantly going on full welfare and benefits.
Posted by: ET at August 11, 2010 2:13 PM"Seventy individuals altogether have gathered at the place, coming from three families only. Some of them learn on the spot that they are relatives, because their father had children with his own cousin, or because some half-brother married his sister before wedding wife number four."
These grotesque perversions are coming to Canada and the USA. It begins with same sex marriage and the abandoning of anti polygamy laws.
Soon insist will be encouraged followed by what? Inter species marriages.
Stop Muslim immigration NOW!
And let's abandon the idea the anyone other than a man and woman (and children)should comprise a family unit. End of story.
If we do nothing about this huge global problem, the entire world will eventually look a lot like Africa. Detroit already does.
Posted by: Abe Froman at August 11, 2010 2:14 PMI wouldn't care if the progressives had to live in the festering racial/religious ghettos they build via social engineering but alas they live in gated communities with a shite load of beige domestic staff. The few progressives that aren't comprised of white elites are semi-literate blathers and slathers who get disability pensions and whine on the net all day long.,
Posted by: rose at August 11, 2010 2:40 PMleave the room now if you blame the muslims.
they are merely engaging in monkey-see-monkey-do.
corporations use every gram of leverage in their OWN favour etc etc.
put the blame where it ultimately rests, with French authorities and the French people who passively submitted to the social changes.
kinda like here in Canuckistan.
France is lost ?
Actually Western Civilization is lost.
France is only the tip of the Iceberg.
Consider a few facts,
In large cities in Canada white people are already a minority.
The US has lost control of its borders ( and Obama is unashamed to be pro-illegals...) on top of this, illegal South American Immigrants reproduce like rabbits ( they have the highest rates of teen pregnancy of all Ethnic group in North America )
Muslim have also a higher birth rate than Westerners ( As Mark Stein has been saying for years )
You can stop immigration, but you can not keep immigrants from having babies.
France is only the beginning of the end of Western Civilization.
I will not be alive anymore when Western Civilization dies, but I am 99.99% sure it will die within the next century.
We ( by "we" I mean the left and the overly tolerant right ) sowed the seeds of self-destruction and unless something major happens, immigrants still have way more babies than any Western/white people on the planet.
Western civilization will soon die, it is only a question of time.
Unless something really HUGE happens...
Its just sad. Well all is not lost . We still have Hedy Fry's voters to rely on to protect Canada.
France though has reached her end. They even fine people for seeing reality. The Country really is run by the mob.
My advice; By a gun or move out of the cities.
Posted by: Revnant Dream at August 11, 2010 4:40 PMHaving lived in both Paris and Londonistan I am not so certain about the Islamification of Western Europe as some. I still think we are likely to see the rise of violent nationalist/totalitarian rule in places like France, Germany, UK, Netherlands where the Muslims and other foreigners are rounded up and deported or killed. In any case, whatever happens, it won't be pretty.
Posted by: slaw at August 11, 2010 4:58 PMBy second hand account (never been there no desire to go) my uncle who was in Paris during WW2 said Paris was filthy then and that the gutters were open running sewers. He went back 40 years later and said nothing had changed. Now 20 years on I guess the immigrants just adopted the local sanitation habits.
Posted by: Joe at August 11, 2010 5:38 PM@ slaw
there is nothing worng with a mother protecting her young!!!
Paul in calgary
Posted by: Paul at August 11, 2010 5:39 PMSlaw, as Mark Steyn said in America Alone the aging population of Europe will be in a few short years simply physically unable to stop or fight against the muslim hoards. Half of Europe is probably over 45 and we aren't too far behind them.
Hirsi Ali wrote in Nomad muslims are conditioned to violence from an early age and when challenged their first reaction is aggressive violence. Westerners will try to talk and reason with them whereas they have no interest in any sort of compromise especially the ones coming to the West from the poorer muslim countries.
Posted by: Dave at August 11, 2010 5:42 PMDave (if you're the same Dave I've responded to before), this time I altogether agree with your analysis. "Love thy enemy" has no place at all in the Muslim scheme of things. Those who think it does, and that it's worth appeasing Muslim fanatics' grievances—mainly, that we're not Muslim—are seriously deluded.
Posted by: lookout at August 11, 2010 6:02 PMRelated,
...
About one out of every 15 children in the United States was born to a family where at least one parent is in this country illegally, according to a new report today.
And four out of five of them are “anchor babies,” the Pew Hispanic Center concluded.
...
Source,
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/1-of-15-children-in-us-has-an-illigal-immigrant-parent/
Stick a fork in us we are done.
Posted by: Friend of USA at August 11, 2010 6:23 PMNo one should receive any taxpayers' money for doing nothing productive. No social worker should be hired to oversee persons who do nothing.
Powerful interests are behind this threat to our traditional way of life. It is better to reveal them and their motives rather than complain about the results of their street mob building handiwork .
Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at August 11, 2010 6:42 PMWhile we are on the topic of immigration, I just want a take a minute to say hello to the HRC people spying on us right now.
Posted by: Friend of USA at August 11, 2010 6:45 PMI'm either kidding, paranoid or...right...
food for thought mmmh ?
Posted by: Friend of USA at August 11, 2010 6:47 PMHi he who's name I can't write,can't wait to be added to you list of people who annoy you. Hi Babs you gained a fair bit of weight this summer and those pantsuits don't do your ample ass any justice. Hi Jenny, isn't that what we call a female mule Dear?
Posted by: rose at August 11, 2010 6:48 PMSgt Lejaune: “Powerful interests are behind this threat to our traditional way of life.”
So, would you like to be the one to disclose who these “powerful interests” are? I have a feeling I know who they are in Canada (at least I have some idea) but who do you think they are? How do we get at them? How do we nip at their heels and inflict some damage when our Chattering Classes are protecting them by not being in any way interested in investigative journalism? How do we put fire to their feet?
Conrad Black, no slouch or milquetoast, took them on and ended up in jail. What are the rest of us to do? How do we get at these “powerful interests”?
I agree that we're being had by these “interests,” but what are we to do?
Posted by: batb at August 11, 2010 6:52 PMI think the fact that batb has to qualify his[her] statement with "this is not a racist statement" is exactly the problem. Maybe people ought to be making racist statements. Maybe certain militant cultures that sprung from a morally bankrupt personality cult and originated in an unnamed oil-rich, sand swept nation ought to be vehemently discriminated against. Until we can have this conversation we can't actually address any of these issues.
Personally I love the Thais. Their solution to boat people is to tow their boat into the middle of the ocean, disable their motor, throw them a bottle of water and wish them happy travels. Or you know sometimes refugee boats just accidentally run into derelict torpedoes that are just marauding about in the ocean. It could happen!
@Slaw
The thing is that even if you could deport them all the Euros just aren't having enough kids. So yeah if you get rid of them all then what? Your economy collapses. We've been substituting childbirth with immigration. Unless there were a "camp" where people were "concentrated" and made to work.....
Posted by: M at August 11, 2010 10:22 PM"I think the fact that batb has to qualify his[her] statement with "this is not a racist statement" is exactly the problem. Maybe people ought to be making racist statements."
M,
Being politically correct was created by the left to keep the right from discussing issues.
30 years later we - who are not liberals - still have trouble discussing real issues, we feel like a teenager discussing pubic hair in front of his parents...
I have to admit it, the leftist who thought of inventing politically correct language was quite clever...
Posted by: Friend of USA at August 11, 2010 10:51 PMWe all are aware that if you keep bringing the 3rd world into Canada, at the rates we are (another shipful of Ceylonese of B.C.'s coast) we will become at 3rd world country. Nowadays in Vancouver, there is not even the pretense of immigrants attempting to learn English by speaking it. On transit, if you were to tell a bunch of jabbering Koreans or whatever, to "speak English" your liable to be shouted down by some politically correct Canadian. Then there is the abominable manners, the spitting, the shoving and the pushing to get in line for everything. The British queue, it is true, is one of the defining symbols of civilization. It is almost unseen these days. I could go on and on, but like batb, I'm afraid I will begin to sound shrill, or worse, racist.
Posted by: larben at August 11, 2010 10:53 PMChris in Ontario - Great Kipling quote, but then we
all have been told what an imperialist he was. By the way, those of us a little older will know about Canada's pet project of the 50's and 60's. the Columbo Plan. God knows how much of our tax dollars went into Ceylon (Sri Lanka) but expect to be called racists if we don't accept these ship-loads of vicious little terrorists.
It's funny: my dad is fairly left in his politics, being a trade unionist most of his life (and ex-military, which seems an odd combination). Our political discussions can be quite...heated. However, he told me to my face the last time that I visited that if Harper shuts down immigration, he'll vote Conservative. I mean, wow. He even says it admitting how far right that view of his is. I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean all immigration, but still...it was odd enough coming from him that my jaw hit the figurative floor.
I sincerely hope enough people of all political stripes (well, probably not NDP supporters) can come to the realisation that parasites do not deserve to be let in to our country. That, and that purging the entitlement mentality being cultivated in the youth would be a good idea. I think the former more likely, however.
@Friend of USA: PC language was easily recognisable to me even as a teenager when it was being implemented as a Bad Idea(tm). It was obviously revisionist in its outlook, and it was patently being used to distort facts in subservience to "Truth". The people promoting it knew a fundamental truth: control of the language controls the debate...and the culture. Clever--in retrospect--doesn't begin to describe it.
Posted by: Another Calgary Marc at August 11, 2010 11:14 PMIf there's one thing I've learned in life its that its very hard for a Liberal to call you a "racist" when they're picking up their teeth off the floor.
Posted by: Mr.G at August 11, 2010 11:26 PMThe real villain in all of this is the welfare state, which should be phased out and replaced by voluntary charities as fast as is humanly possible.
Posted by: nv53 at August 11, 2010 11:46 PMI've come to the conclusion that it's best to speak the truth, especially if it's staring you in the face. If someone calls me a "racist" the first thing I do is to ask them to define racist which they can't do as it's just a reflexive reaction to any concept that isn't in their world view. I don't worry too much about moonbat morons getting violent because very few of them have any martial arts training. They try to make their point by intimidation and fall apart when their bluff is called.
People worry too much about getting into confrontations which is totally the wrong approach. Look how successful homosexuals have been in getting HIV treatment funded by very "in your face" approaches. The tactic works and people have to stop being nice and get confrontational. We're defending western civilization; either you stand by and watch it crumble or you physically do something about it.
My approach to welfare now is to ask every patient who approaches me with a disability form whether they are sure if they wish to become a member of the professional victim class. I've talked a lot of people out of getting onto the dead-end path of official victimhood and they've ended up going back to work. Also, I report medical problems exactly as I see them which seems to drive the disability advocates into a frenzy as I'm supposed to be saying that the fit 25 year old male is "severely disabled" by his asymptomatic Hepatitis C at which point I tell them that perhaps I should add pathologic laziness to the list of problems and no longer get bothered by them.
The whole welfare system needs a total overhaul which could start with mandatory contraception for single mothers. I've seen far too many women never work again as they have the excuse of 5 young children to take care of all of whom are getting a first-hand lesson in how to milk the system.
Fortunately where I live almost all people work and there is still an independence ethic. Dismantle the totally dysfunctional welfare system and third world immigration will result in just highly motivated industrious people coming to Canada. Enforce the agreements that immigrants have made to support sponsored elderly relatives and one will find that suddenly there's much less of a need to bring their chronologically 50 (biologically 80) year old father from India to Canada.
One other thing which might be useful is to use culturally appropriate punishments for immigrants which would probably dramatically reduce muslim rape stats if a few dozen of the perpetrators were dragged down dirt roads behind a pickup truck until there was nothing left to drag.
Posted by: loki at August 12, 2010 3:01 AMMandatory sterilization for anyone receiving welfare.
Posted by: John Galt at August 12, 2010 3:42 AMIt's hilarious listening to all the excuses and justifications as to why our societies are slowly and obviously going down the toilet.
The prevebial decline of the west into third world super states. Yet the third world is and always will remain The Third World.
Stupid is as stupid does.
The best thing to do is sit around and analyze why white people haven't come through enough for black people because they can only afford to eat five meals a week at McDonalds verses ..............
Posted by: Knight 99 at August 12, 2010 4:44 AM"I think the fact that batb has to qualify his[her] [-- it's her] statement with 'this is not a racist statement' is exactly the problem. Maybe people ought to be making racist statements."
"Multiculturalism" was the Left's cudgel with which to thwump those of us of British/Christian culture in Canada -- and to wipe out the traditions and symbols central to our identity as a cultural group -- all the better to usher in their secular humanist agenda.
The newly minted London School of Economic grads from Quebec who sat in Trudeau's caucus knew they couldn't launch a full frontal attack -- "We hate the Brits and the Christians and it's payback time" -- so they devised a back-door strategy: "multiculturalism." As they brought in more and more immigrants (to replace the children that would never be born because of their liberal abortion policies, immigrants they knew would vote Liberal) the agenda was to laud and celebrate these new sub-cultures, while making sure that anything British/Christian was downplayed to, you know, make way for these new, and "better" cultures, because not colonial overlords, (as though France never colonized other countries).
It soon became de rigeur in the public square (the educational system, government agencies) to celebrate any culture BUT the British/Christian culture, all under the guise of "multiculturalism." At every turn, I have been quick to point out that MY British/Christian culture is PART OF this multicultural mosaic in Canada, to some consternation: "Oh," said one of my daughters teachers years ago, "you think of multiculturalism as adding on to, not taking away." I assured her that that was exactly my understanding of multiculturalism. She, as a teacher, had obviously been indoctrinated -- as have many generations of young people -- into thinking that multiculturalism means the wiping out of one of Canada's founding cultures to be replaced by all of Canada's new, needy, and wonderful cultures from around the world.
Official multiculturalism has led to endemic discrimination against the British/Christian culture in Canada and, using our CHRCs, has put a chill on racial relations for the past 40 years -- all to the benefit of the Leftist agenda. It's repugnant because it has framed the debate in such a way that for anyone to object to what's been going on pretty much ensures being labelled "racist" and "bigoted," two no-nos in this "open," "tolerant," and "diverse" society of ours.
Multiculturalism in Canada has ensured that there has been neither openness nor tolerance towards my culture for over 40 years. And, no, I'm not happy about that and I WILL speak out about it. It is past time for those of us who have had our culture trashed and disappeared in the public square to assert our right to exist and to celebrate the many accomplishments of our forebears -- such as the founding of university colleges, public schools, and hospitals for the good of all.
We also need to make it very clear that to celebrate our culture in NO WAY puts down or diminishes other cultures, a meme that's worked to the advantage of the multi-culti crowd: "If you celebrate being British/Christian, you're ipso facto saying that you're better than other cultures." NO, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that my cultural group has contributed greatly to the open, free, and diverse democracy that Canada has become and I am free to express my pride in being a part of this group -- and I will.
Posted by: batb at August 12, 2010 8:14 AMWell put batb, though you do it much more politley than I could. Unfortunately, because of lost time, and our reluctance to be honest in this file, we must now speak up forcefully and it could mean judicial sanction against, basically, the people who shaped and built and formed this country originally. I hope, but fear, it is not too late.
Posted by: larben at August 12, 2010 8:32 AMhttp://parliamint.blogspot.com/2010/08/vic-toews-mr-hypocrisy-visits-gay.html
Posted by: kim at August 12, 2010 9:28 AMI differ from batb's outline in one respect.
I think that other cultures ought to be evaluated. I don't think that each has contributed to our modern industrial economic state in an equal manner.
That is, I think that we have to acknowledge the basic grounds of our infrastructure - the separation of church and state, the rule of law, a constitution, the equality of all, freedom of speech and belief, the democratic process. These are the results of the Western European process of societal development. This is the basic infrastructure of our modern society.
Other cultures that have for various reasons not developed in this way and that, for example, reject all or most of the attributes outlined above, are not equal in development or societal freedoms - to ours. We must acknowledge this. It's a rational evaluation - and if anyone talks about 'racism' - that's an attempt to stop our reasoning about beliefs and behaviour and evaluating both our own and that of others.
It isn't a matter of being, as batb suggests, simply a 'member of this group'. It's a matter of objective judgment. The societal and political mode that we have developed has not been done by emotional whim but by reason, analysis, - both hard fought against centuries of prejudice, superstition, old grudges and blocs of power. \
There's a rational reason for the societal and political system we have fought for - fought both in the fields, in the courts, in research and analysis. We can evaluate the results of our work in the ability of a population to nurture, support, enrich and improve the lives of its people. Evaluation is important. Not all modes of life are equal.
Posted by: ET at August 12, 2010 9:51 AMEver expanding since WWII, big government is now addicted to immigrants for votes and for more dependants of big government...It's an evil industry serving greed and sustaining an elite class.
At this particular moment in time, I think Slaw has the most plausible future scenario if we continue our accelerated decent in total monetary insolvency and the ultimate crash. Slaw said:
"Having lived in both Paris and Londonistan I am not so certain about the Islamification of Western Europe as some. I still think we are likely to see the rise of violent nationalist/totalitarian rule in places like France, Germany, UK, Netherlands where the Muslims and other foreigners are rounded up and deported or killed. In any case, whatever happens, it won't be pretty."
I agree and unless there is a worldwide transformation of the current banking/trading system (as yet unknown, if even such an unlikely plan does exist) or simple mathematics for that matter, this could occur very quickly.
Modern westerners, unlike their grandparents who suffered through the miseries of the great depression, are spoiled and selfish to the max and will not endure soup lines, power rationing etc... for very long. They will soon start looking for scape goats...It could deteriorate to the point where even baby boomers are rounded up too.
I already have heard young voices say things like "Those greedy boomers are why I have no future, they took everything...", here and there, around...
The cycle has come full circle again. Greed took us as far as we could go once again and it is time for "civilized" humanity to show its ugly side again.
The elites have probably come to that conclusion too. They will bunker up, wait for the storm to pass and we'll start up again.
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-I respect and walk with those who tell me that they constantly seek the 'truth'.
-I doubt and raise my shield on those who tell me they have found the 'truth'.
-I despise and raise my sword at the ready on those who tell me their 'truth' cannot be debated.
Never give up. Never give in.
Shut off immigration and the Liberal Party will see its' cash flow dry up. From the 70's on the wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends of Liberal MPs have specialized in selling Canadian citizenship for $25 to $50,000 a pop. Well known fact in Ottawa. Immigrant leaders in turn have their communities bloc vote for the Libs.
Posted by: ct at August 12, 2010 10:40 AMThanks for your comments, ET, @ 9:51 A.M., with which, BTW, I agree: "I think that other cultures ought to be evaluated. I don't think that each has contributed to our modern industrial economic state in an equal manner."
Darn it! I'm displaying some kind of Stockholme Syndrome when I suggest that all cultures are on an equal footing -- and, please, include mine. I guess some of the multicultural Kool-Aid slips into my drinks once in a while.
Posted by: batb at August 12, 2010 11:16 AMBatb, as Hirsi Ali wrote in Nomad the left welcomed the muslim culture to the West with all the attributes of our culture yet never required them to alter theirs. Hence honour killings, genital mutilation, male dominence through violence, welfare abuse were never questioned nor challenged.
All cultures are not equal and you have every right to be proud of ours. They are coming here, we are not going there. Again Ali states that muslims are coming here to take not to give or be part of our culture. When asked in the CBC interview if Islam had anything of value in it for our society she paused and then said "No!"
Posted by: Dave at August 12, 2010 3:51 PMI saw that interview, Dave, and remember that when asked if Islam had anything of value to contribute to our culture, she paused and said she'd have to give that question some thought -- which, in a nutshell, meant "no"!! (By the way, Dave, in this interview she also acknowledges the considerable contribution of the Christian Church to our Western democracies, a point that Jian Ghomeshi didn't like very much.)
Yes, I am justly proud of the British/Christian legacy in Canada and am pi**ed off that our secular humanist Chattering Class overlords have done their best to trash it, while promoting the "other" newer cultures represented by recent immigrants to Canada who often take far more than they ever give. No matter, say the Chattering Class Chanters: As long as they vote for us, that's OK. That gig's almost over.
I'm sick of footing the bill. If they want to promote their own cultures, neighbourhoods, community centres, and places of worship on their own dime, that's OK with me -- BUT DON'T ASK ME TO PAY FOR THEM AND THEN COMPLAIN THAT I'M NOT NICE WHEN I SAY "NO WAY!"
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