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May 31, 2010

"Remember Haibar Oh, Jews "

Uri Goldflam;

When watching the coverage of the intl. media I noticed that the boat people are chanting. Fair haired and bright eyed "human rights activists" from all over the world who are sure they are doing the right thing are sitting hand in hand and chanting in Arabic:

Haibar Haibar ya Yahud – Jaish Muhammad Sa'ufa Ya'ud

More...

... it does appear that the physical violence started from the other side, which to begin with had the rather unhumanitarian mission of aiding Hamas, and, to the extent there were sincere humanitarian/peace activists involved, allowed themselves to get hijacked by violent Islamic extremists who manned one of the ships.

And then there are the friends in the White House. One can only hope November comes soon enough.

More commentary here and here: - A Brutal Ambush At Sea.

The paintballs obviously made no impression on the activists, who kept on beating the troops up and even attempted to wrest away their weapons.

One soldier who came to the aid of a comrade was captured by the rioters and sustained severe blows. The commandoes were equipped with handguns but were told they should only use them in the face of life-threatening situations. When they came down from the chopper, they kept on shouting to each other "don't shoot, don't shoot," even though they sustained numerous blows.

The Navy commandoes were prepared to mostly encounter political activists seeking to hold a protest, rather than trained street fighters. The soldiers were told they were to verbally convince activists who offer resistance to give up, and only then use paintballs. They were permitted to use their handguns only under extreme circumstances. …

At one point, the attackers nabbed one commando, wrested away his handgun, and threw him down from the top deck to the lower deck, 30 feet below. The soldier sustained a serious head wound and lost his consciousness.

Only after this injury did Flotilla 13 troops ask for permission to use live fire. The commander approved it: You can go ahead and fire. The soldiers pulled out their handguns and started shooting at the rioters' legs, a move that ultimately neutralized them. Meanwhile, the rioters started to fire back at the commandoes.

Video in the extended entry.

Posted by Kate at May 31, 2010 12:35 PM
Comments

Where is the link for the chant? I haven't seen it in the links provided.

Posted by: question at May 31, 2010 12:42 PM

bumped .. .

Time to Juxtapose . ..

So this morning the Activists in charge of the convoy to Gaza are explaining to CBC that they refused the Israeli offer to dock at an Israeli port and then have their "Humanitarian Aid" shipped to Gaza overland.


They said they refused because Israel won't allow cement and water purification equipment, a major part of their cargo, in to Gaza to rebuild the society shatterd by Israel in the last battles.


Maybe CBC should actually do some Journalism, find out what is really going on in Gaza and ask the oh so progressive spokesperson about the recently opened Olympic sized pool, luxury hotels and five star restaurants


http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001114.html

Posted by: Fred at May 31, 2010 12:42 PM

Sorry, clumsy link. I was just linking a news report as background.

Posted by: Kate at May 31, 2010 12:47 PM

Call me cynical, but I would bet a goat load of shekels that the "peace activists" were testing the Israelis with a manifest that did not include much in the way of weapons. If they got whacked, a few useful idiots would become martyrs and Israel would get a month of bad press. As a bonus, the islamist government of Turkey would have the reason to cut relations with Israel that they have been so desperately seeking and Netanyahu would have to cancel his North American tour. If they would have been allowed to land without being inspected the next load would have contained a great deal of weapons. Note to useful idiots. Update your will; Israel calls all bluffs.

Posted by: EyesWideShut at May 31, 2010 1:01 PM

Leftists bringing a knife to a gun fight, then waving the bloody shirt when they get creamed.

SOP communism. Kinda hard on the Useful Idiots, but then that's why they call 'em IDIOTS. Mission planners most definitely not on the boat.

Posted by: The Phantom at May 31, 2010 1:27 PM

Funny how violent peace activists are eh?

Posted by: ChrisinMB at May 31, 2010 1:35 PM

Whatever the outcome of the Israeli thorough search of the captured vessels, Israeli deterrence value gone up a notch or two. As EyesWideShut wrote above, "Note to useful idiots. Update your will; Israel calls all bluffs."

Also, I'd bet that some sort of contraband will be found. At the very least, this will be a lot of laundered hard currency for the nearly broke Hamas to pay it's "civil servants" and gunmen that maintain Gaza as a Hamas police state. High-tech weaponry/missile related electronics would also seem a safe bet to be found.

An equally safe bet is that if Israel does find these things, Hamas will lie and say the Israelis planted it; the European anti-Semite/anti-Israel governments will ignore it in their continued condemnation of Israel; ditto for the West's MSM Presstitutes.

Posted by: Dave in Pa at May 31, 2010 1:44 PM

When will enough be enough from these degenerates?
When will we demand they obey laws?
Calling your deranged ass a peace activist is no reason to be treated as anything but the useful idiots they are, better dead than red and any red is better dead, BC idiot included.
Should have blown them out of the water with-out hesitation, sank the lot and charged the survivors for their rescue and then release them in Palestine.

Posted by: Durward at May 31, 2010 1:45 PM

The worst thing that hamas scum can do to themselves is think we cant see through there crappy show.

I STAND WITH ISRAEL.

Posted by: FREE at May 31, 2010 1:49 PM

If they were genuine 'peace activists' then they would have accepted Israel's offer to dock at the Israeli port, unload, and ship the goods to Gaza. Their rejection of this because they insisted on 'cement' as part of the cargo is a weak reason.

Equally, if they were genuine about peace, they would not be militants, i.e., attacking the Israeli.

My question about the Israeli action is - why did they do it in international waters? Why not wait until the entered Israeli waters? That's something I don't understand.

However, underlying it all, I maintain, is Iran. Iran, Iran and Iran.

Iran has been trying to get Israel to attack it for several years. Then, it could gleefully attack, not simply Israel which quite frankly is not, in my view, Iran's real focus...but the Arab States. Such as Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt. Iran has imperialist ambitions - against Arabs.

Israel is being used as a lynchpin by Iran. That's also one reason why I maintain that Palestine can't be a separate nation because Iran would swallow it in a second and use it as its base against the Arab states.

That's why I keep repeating that Israel and Palestine should be a federation. Two states in one economic federation, with shared administration of borders, water, transportation, and economy...and separate jurisdictions over education, health, social welfare, religion. That federation would end the Islamic fascist use of Israel for their anti-industrial agenda, and would end Iran's use of Israel for their anti-arab agenda.

This current 'flotilla' is a Trojan Horse flotilla, with nothing to do with Gaza or aid or peace and everything to do with inciting emotions and enabling Iran to move, by stealth, and then by arms, into the region.

Posted by: ET at May 31, 2010 1:49 PM

Why is there no examination in the media, in an even mildly critical way, to ask the pertinent question:

What's wrong with allowing unfettered access of goods to terrorists?

Posted by: Rob H. at May 31, 2010 1:53 PM

One might reasonably conclude that these developments were unforeseen because of Netanyahu's sudden change of plans.

Thoughts and prayers for Israel at this time -- they are and always have been surrounded by a nest of vipers.

Adding a few misguided bagpipers to the vipers just tends to make things worse. I'm sure we'll hear the usual guff from the usual sources in Kanadar these next few days. Just mention 1967 and they should pipe down.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at May 31, 2010 1:56 PM

ET said: "My question about the Israeli action is - why did they do it in international waters? Why not wait until the entered Israeli waters?"

I don't know this for a fact, but its possible the water gets too shallow near to Gaza. Have to check a chart to verify or disprove that one. Another possibility, they want to keep their ships out of range of missiles to be launched from Gaza, or Egypt! Then there's TV cameras on shore, armed small boats swarming in from Gaza (USS Cole!), anti-ship mines, all kinds of possibilities.

I think they probably had a damn good reason, and we probably won't be told what it is.

Posted by: The Phantom at May 31, 2010 2:01 PM

I too wonder "why did they do it in international waters? Why not wait until the entered Israeli waters?"

Because I believe they should have set up ships on the Israeli side; having loudspeakers warn that the first ship that crosses gets blown out of the water.

Then blow the first ship that crosses into Israeli water "out of the water"...

Posted by: Gord at May 31, 2010 2:15 PM

phantom - hmm, too many speculations. I'm still wondering why they boarded in international waters.

Certainly, the flotilla's agenda was to provoke an attack; I think that is clear. IF they were genuine agents of peace and aid, THEN, they'd go into an Israeli port, have the cargo checked and delivered by land. After all, their stated agenda is to deliver the aid cargo. Hmmm? Or, allow the Israelis to board and check the cargo. Since the activists rejected both offers, then, clearly, their agenda was to provoke an attack.

There is no way that Israel could allow an unverified cargo to be unloaded in Gaza. Both sides knew this.

Therefore, the REAL agenda is, as usual, not to assist Palestinians. The real agenda is held by Islamic fascists - and it is to use Israel and Palestinians - in their agenda of control and their agenda of forcing the world into the Islamic Imperial Empire and Sharia Law.

Apparently, the following ships in the flotilla, do contain genuine aid - which could readily be docked and shipped by land. It's the lead ship and its activists whose agenda is to provoke Israel to attack. Now, watch what Iran does. I maintain that Iran is the key agent in all of this.

Posted by: ET at May 31, 2010 2:19 PM

You know damn well these scumbags wouldn't try that against Russia. They'd just sink their boats and machine gun anyone who escapes.

The media should be forced to sit in front of their beloved "peace" protesters before they're allowed to write one lie, er, I mean word about the issue.

Posted by: Jason at May 31, 2010 2:26 PM

Thank You Rob H. @153 AM These are these telling videos. This flotilla is loaded with cement supposedly for rebuilding houses and supplies for rebuilding water and waste lines; not as harmless as they sound. Hamas uses the cement for building bunkers and launch pads for rockets, pipe is used for manufacturing rockets. Israel lets these items in under supervision only to protect from terrorist usage. Israel has spent a fortune trying to help Palestine have clean water and waste removal, but the building of bombs is always more important to the terrorists.

Posted by: Transpalnt Rose at May 31, 2010 2:27 PM

The Israelis killed only 10 of the scum. A mistake.
If they had killed more the impression on the bad
guys would be greater, and the effects on the bien
pensant would be the same. Remember Stalin's
comments on this point.

Posted by: John Lewis at May 31, 2010 2:30 PM

If the EU (Eunuch Nations) responded to islamic thuggery, threats, deceit and weaponization the way Israel does France, Great Britain and the other duffus nations of Europe would be much better off.
They might even start to regain their sovereignty. Note to Europe: so grow a pair already!

Posted by: EyesWideShut at May 31, 2010 2:30 PM

// The Israeli propaganda machine has reached new highs its hopeless frenzy. It has distributed menus from Gaza restaurants, along with false information. It embarrassed itself by entering a futile public relations battle, which it might have been better off never starting. They want to maintain the ineffective, illegal and unethical siege on Gaza and not let the “peace flotilla” dock off the Gaza coast? There is nothing to explain, certainly not to a world that will never buy the web of explanations, lies and tactics.

Only in Israel do people still accept these tainted goods. //

Well, he's wrong there, eh? In certain intellectual enclaves ....

But he's right on the next point. Heard Jay Currie explain it all --
// The propaganda operation has tried to sell us and the world the idea that the occupation of Gaza is over, but in any case, Israel has legal authority to bar humanitarian aid. All one pack of lies. //
By Gideon Levy

Posted by: dizzy at May 31, 2010 2:34 PM

It's nearly passed the time when Obama would have stepped up and stated that the Israeli army was acting stupidly.

Posted by: Abe Froman at May 31, 2010 2:35 PM

The official reason for intercepting these ships in international waters is:

"Given the large number of vessels participating in the flotilla, an operational decision was made to undertake measures to enforce the blockade a certain distance from the area of the blockade."

See here for the legal justification:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Law/Legal+Issues+and+Rulings/Gaza_flotilla_maritime_blockade_Gaza-Legal_background_31-May-2010.htm

Posted by: Pragmatist at May 31, 2010 2:43 PM

Remember Hamas recently destroyed a couple homes. There was no outcry from "activists" then. Hamas creates its own humanitarian disasters as a diversion from its own clearly stated goals (read the Hamas charter)- to destroy Israel and kill Jews.

Posted by: Robert at May 31, 2010 2:45 PM

One of the things on board that is banned is blank paper. The activists refer to this as educational material to print text books. I have a feeling they wouldn't allow those textbooks in too many schools in NA.

Posted by: Speedy at May 31, 2010 3:00 PM


good summary

http://www.pjtv.com/v/3674

Posted by: Fred at May 31, 2010 3:14 PM

More here, and the Skynews commentary is good for a laugh to boot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgt7KY1iQs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co

Posted by: JAWZ at May 31, 2010 3:18 PM

Sorry ET, I don't have a chart of the Med handy to check the depth. Still, one must remember that 12 miles is not a lot of room to maneuver a large ship in. Shoals are an issue.

As to Iran being the puppeteer for this theater, I'm sure you'll be proven right soon enough. I'd certainly be interested to know who paid for that concrete etc., and whose money they used.

Posted by: The Phantom at May 31, 2010 3:32 PM

Phantom

You ever see those website that are an e-trading of construction materials and raw resources? No link handy...

I wonder if some of those transactions "paid" for those supplies.

Posted by: Observer at May 31, 2010 3:51 PM

Next time just sink the whole lot of them, blame it on global warming, tell the media the boats must have sunk because of rising sea levels.
Throw something in about saving the polar bears and they will probably give you a Nobel prize.

Posted by: Stan at May 31, 2010 3:51 PM

Good Job Kate with the links.
I wrote this at the The Volokh Conspiracy

Human shields. Sound familiar? Only these idiots didn't know thats what they where for the Hamas thugs.
Heck their not even blowing themselves up anymore when they have gullible Westerners to do it for them.
The West is rapidly becoming Dhimmi.
Until someone with power wakes up to this, the Islamistas will continue to win. After all they now get to build a monument to Jihad right on the site in NYC in which so many died from their murderous ways. Just like they do in any Country taken over historically. Just to let folks know who is really in charge.
Mean while the Worlds blows a Goat horn on Israel, calling all jooo haters to a feeding frenzy of malice. For acting like a sovereign Nation? I wonder what the British would think if Obama told them where they could live?
How England would have felt if Germany in 1945 where allowed ‘Human aide” to Germans in England.
Worse during the war.
No I stand with Israel in stopping this farce. Ive had a belly full of phony lying excuses. With condemnations on our houses from self appointed supremacists. With bullying from the “Religion of peace”! If not murder world wide. Imposing the vile sharia law on all.
By the way how are Women treated in Gaza?
JMO

May 31, 2010, 3:41 pm

Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 31, 2010 4:02 PM

By the way.

Where is the screaming and mewling over the TRULY unprovoked killing of 46 South Koreans?

I guess they should have had Kevin Neish on board.

This is the thing, however, human rights only matter to these so-called "progressives" when they come into question because of some act of the West or their allies.

It's so often silent when the human rights are being oppressed by a communist or other leftist regime.

Kevin Neish's father, Elgin Neish was a good example. Old Elgin was a labour leader in the Canadian fishing industry and supporter of communism as a form of social control - travelling to Moscow and China in 1952 - apparently, a big fan of Moscow and China in the early 50's, and a big opponent to the oppressive capitalists.

Never mind about things like the Stalinist purges and the killing fields in Cambodia. Those were just "necessary" evils to secure the workers interests.

Posted by: Rob H. at May 31, 2010 4:06 PM

Need to check the videos again . . it is about time for Green Helmet guy to make a cameo appearances.

Posted by: Fred at May 31, 2010 4:16 PM

Just in... see the action for yourselves.

Tell me... are those people "humanitarian"? Are they "peace activists"?

Clearly, the IDF acted 100% properly. Betcha you won't see this footage on "the news"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at May 31, 2010 4:16 PM

Oh, I see the vid's already up...

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at May 31, 2010 4:17 PM

I'm an Israel fan...but somehow special forces commandoes rapelling onto a ship 60 miles offshore and then claiming that they were attacked thereby justifying killing many citizens rubs me the wrong way.

It reeks of Israelis attacking an American warship in the same area killing many Americans and then claiming that it was a mistake.

It's no wonder that there's world condemnation and I can't help whether mental illness is rampant in the Israeli military.

Posted by: el gordo at May 31, 2010 4:19 PM

It reeks of Israelis attacking an American warship in the same area killing many Americans and then claiming that it was a mistake.

Remember the USS Liberty

Posted by: ol hoss at May 31, 2010 4:28 PM

Some background on the IHH Turkish relieg org that Israel banned in 2008 for its ties to radical islam.

http://thedailyrasp.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-are-peace-activists-in-gaza.html

Posted by: Rob @ dailyrasp at May 31, 2010 4:29 PM

I'm an Israel fan...but somehow special forces commandoes rapelling onto a ship 60 miles offshore and then claiming that they were attacked thereby justifying killing many citizens rubs me the wrong way.
~el gordo

If the Israelis were the blood thirsty bad guys they're made out to be, they'd have used one or two of their submarines to torpedo the ships and nobody would have had the money, will, or resources to be able to prove it beyond mere suspicion.

Posted by: Oz at May 31, 2010 4:33 PM

Oz

If the Israelis were the blood thirsty bad guys they're made out to be, they'd have used one or two of their submarines to torpedo the ships and nobody would have had the money, will, or resources to be able to prove it beyond mere suspicion.

-----------------------------------------------

I don't think they're blood thirsty ...they just don't give a rat's ass who they kill or the bad PR that goes along with it.
Boarding a ship in international waters that MAY contain materiel and killing 10 people hardly converts anyone to their cause.
In the end, it could affect their welfare payments from the US, which ultimately would affect Israelis in general.

Posted by: el gordo at May 31, 2010 4:43 PM

Israelis on ship acted in self-defence: Netanyahu

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/31/israel-gaza-aid-death.html

The video shows the truth, the Israelis are not to blame, these morons are not peace activists, they fully deserve what they got……………

Posted by: Bruce at May 31, 2010 4:44 PM

What does one expect? If you fire upon or try to beat armed soldiers, you're going to get a snootful of lead.
Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at May 31, 2010 4:50 PM

Sorry, only time for a cursory view of the comments:

International waters?

Could it have been to neutralize Pallywood Productions Inc. the greatest propaganda artists in world history.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at May 31, 2010 4:56 PM

el gordo and ol hoss - coming up with a causal explanation of 'mental illness' is pure nonsense.

Equally, the USS Liberty analogy is empty. After all, since both of you seem to consider the USS Liberty attack was deliberate, then, I think you'd have to provide the reason for that attack.

I can understand Israel's actions against the ships which had stated they were carrying 'aid' but refused to dock at an Israeli port, unload and transport this aid by land - and refused Israeli boarding and investigating the 'aid'.

That suggests, to me, that the 'aid' included contraband OR, that the refusal was a deliberate provocation to Israel- to attack. I suspect the latter.

The only issue puzzling me is - why did they carry this out in international waters.

Posted by: ET at May 31, 2010 5:00 PM

"The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. His existence is one of perpetual war."-Netanyahu's father http://j.mp/a7gePZ
38 minutes ago via web

You know what would be funny? If the official Knesset history of the 1967 War referred to a blockade as a "casus belli" http://j.mp/97jaQp
about 3 hours ago via web

It's now more urgent than ever that the UN impose harsh sanctions on the madmen of Tehran
about 4 hours ago via web

BREAKING: Up to four congressmen to abstain from resolution pledging full support for Israel
about 5 hours ago via web

"We remain resolved to halt rise of piracy...those who commit piracy [must be] held accountable for their crimes."-Obama http://j.mp/bvQo8k
ETC

For some real blog activity promisedlandblog

Posted by: dizzy at May 31, 2010 5:07 PM

el gordo

You said it pal. PR. Apparently you bit.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at May 31, 2010 5:13 PM

"Boarding a ship in international waters that MAY contain materiel and killing 10 people hardly converts anyone to their cause.
In the end, it could affect their welfare payments from the US, which ultimately would affect Israelis in general."

~el gordo

I'm pretty sure they aren't interested in "converting anyone to their cause".
I'm equally sure the Israelis are more interested in the security of their people than they are about "U.S. welfare payments".

If the U.S. became totally ambivalent about the State of Israel tomorrow, Israel would continue to get by.
But, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. views Israel as the only real dependable stabilizing force in the Middle East and so does Europe for a long list of reasons that I could give.

If the official Knesset history of the 1967 War referred to a blockade as a "casus belli"

Palestine isn't a state but if they want to open a declared war against Israel based on the "casus belli" of a blockade, I say, "Go for it Palestinians, but don't expect sympathy from me when you get stomped by Israel."

Posted by: Oz at May 31, 2010 5:17 PM

Only a few disjointed thoughts on this one.

Brian Tobin. Turbot War, 1995, Spanish fishers, way outside of both International and Canadian territorial waters.

Boarded, arrested and paraded in front of the press.

Course, that was a cause du jour.


Posted by: lance at May 31, 2010 5:38 PM

Hey Oz

Do you think it's fair to say "they had it coming"?

Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 31, 2010 5:45 PM

Since Turkeyis going all muslim jihadi and is the source of this propaganda effort, I'd liek to suggest to the Israelis that hey should start sending "Relief Convoys: to Kurdish enclaves in eastern Turkey and demand the UNSC investigate and prosecute Turkey for the mass murder, the genocide of millions of Armenians.

Maybe if Turkey gets a little splash back of their own propaganda techniques, they'll think twice before meddling in the affairs of other nations.

Posted by: Fred at May 31, 2010 5:53 PM

Consequences are as consequences do.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at May 31, 2010 5:56 PM

A proverb says "it is easy to find a stick when you want to beat a dog". Couple this with the fact lefties love a good Jew beating to keep their self-righteous assholier than thou juices flowing. It would not be unreasonable to assume at least 20 muslims were put to death by sharia law today for such heinous crimes as being homosexual or being raped or converting to Christianity. The numb nutted lefty useful idiots never speak out about against that. But if Israel warns "activists" that she will not tolerate the chance of weapons getting into Israel to terrorize her citizens and that she will protect herself by force if necessary, Israel is the bad guy. No fair minded person believes the "demonstrators" would not bring weapons into Israel on "humanitarian aid" ships. Israel will not abandon the right to protect her citizens because to do so would lead to the destruction of the Israeli state and the destruction of its Jewish citizens.

Posted by: EyesWideShut at May 31, 2010 5:57 PM

The Turbot War incident went to court. Actually, two courts, national and international. Unlikely the Israeli actions ever will.

Posted by: ol hoss at May 31, 2010 6:01 PM

They raided in international waters because that was the last opportunity to do it in the preferred conditions, ie the pre-dawn hours. If they hadn't, the flotilla would have made port in Gaza today.

WRT the legal aspect: according to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflict at Sea, Part III, Section V, para 67(a), the fact that the flotilla had the stated intention of running the blockade gives Israel the right to act, whether in international waters or not.

Posted by: JCP at May 31, 2010 6:08 PM

Much is being made about the Israeli forces striking in international waters.

Smart move.

As EWS notes they have no choice.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at May 31, 2010 6:08 PM

After spending the day reading and watching the MSM's take on this, I prematurely took down the Stars and Stripes (flown for Memorial Day)and unfurled the Israeli flag.
I can only hope a Pali drives past and sees it.

Posted by: Gerry at May 31, 2010 6:35 PM

Indiana Homez,
Not only did they have it coming but they got it going, too.

Facts:
-Israel offered to let the "aid" offload for inspection and then transfer to Gaza
-The "Floaties" refused to accept the offer
-The "Floaties" stated the intention to run the blockade

-The "Floaties" had 6 ships of which 5 were peacefully boarded without incident by the Israelis
-The Israelis were met with organized violent resistance on 1 out of 6 ships

Posted by: Oz at May 31, 2010 6:44 PM

At this moment in time the arguement that Israel was defending itself is not the relevent point.
The pro arab initiative has framed itself as the underdog and it's working for them.
Much like the ship Exodus which was the story of the Israeli settlers trying to land by ship many years ago.
Israel is not doing well in the propoganda war and they need to do something drastic to change that.
For those of us who care, we need to remind our fellow Canadians that Jews didn't crash planes into the world trade center, nor bomb trains in Spain and so on.
The minute detail with regard to what actually happened is not as important as the picture the media paints with the incident.
It really is a propoganda war and Those who want a peaceful world need to work hard to combat the CBC kind of anti-Israeli rhetoric.
I gave up on Mr Obama even before his election becuase I believe he will sell out anyone and everyone to further his extreme left wing agenda.
All of us need to write, phone in and remind everyone of the continued tactic of killing used by Hamas and Hesbullah.

Posted by: melwilde at May 31, 2010 6:44 PM

Posted by: JCP at May 31, 2010 6:08 PM
flotilla had the stated intention of running the blockade gives Israel the right to act, whether in international waters or not.

Thanks, JCP, for this key info!

More generally, we must remember that contrary to the marxist propaganda which has overtaken the West, Israel is David not Goliath.

If I'm not mistaken Israel took the first shots in 1973. Some lefties cite this as evidence of Israeli aggression. NOT.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at May 31, 2010 6:59 PM

Right you are mel, "perception is everything".

Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 31, 2010 7:05 PM

Harpers first impressions:

Harper regrets deaths in Israeli attack on aid convoy

Netanyahu cancels visit with U.S. President Barack Obama

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Harper+regrets+deaths+Israeli+attack+convoy/3091901/story.html

Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 31, 2010 7:43 PM

Another shipload of puppies and candy is intercepted.

Posted by: Stan at May 31, 2010 8:08 PM

This was an international act of maritime law violation, murder, and terrorism.

Posted by: bob's your uncle at May 31, 2010 8:40 PM

This was an international act of maritime law violation, murder, and terrorism.

Posted by: bob's your uncle at May 31, 2010 8:41 PM

These are the international laws even in Canada,
some countries are up to 200 miles out at sea-
-
See what the law states:
12 June 1994
SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels-

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or (breaching a blockade,)
and after prior warning (they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop,)-
or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture”

These ships tried to breach the blockade; they ignored clear warnings to stop; they intentionally resisted visit, search and capture.

The next Peace activist ship that tries to breach Israelis blockade or cross their international borders needs to be blown out of the water.

We will send President Obama to clean up any oily spots.

Posted by: Fearless Leader at May 31, 2010 8:57 PM

President Obama needs to take a lesson from the Israelis on how to protect your borders..

Posted by: Fearless Leader at May 31, 2010 9:12 PM

released video from auz.tv

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/06/01/2914627.htm

Posted by: cal2 at May 31, 2010 9:15 PM

How does one fight a guy that wants --actually, hopes-- to die while trying to kill you? To maximize his chance, he brings a stick and attack you violently, knowing you have a firearm.

If you let him kill you, he and all his kind will rejoice and similar attacks will multiply. If you kill him, the whole world condemns you and accuses you of massacre. Either way, you lose.

Now, imagine 62 years of that. Every day.

Posted by: Manny at May 31, 2010 10:51 PM

Let's juxtapose this:
Audrey Bomse, also of the FGM, told the BBC that the activists were "not going to pose any violent resistance".

With this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

Posted by: Manny at May 31, 2010 11:07 PM

What I can't understand is why the hell the Israelis would board the ship by rappeling troops off a Helicopter instead of boarding the ship via a gunboat?
What possible security or retreat could the troops have had?

Posted by: Mr.G at June 1, 2010 12:02 AM

The Israelis should have sunk the damned boat. The outrage wouldn't have been diminished and a much stronger message would have been sent.

I stand with Israel.

Posted by: djb at June 1, 2010 12:13 AM

What I can't understand is why the hell the Israelis would board the ship by rappeling troops off a Helicopter instead of boarding the ship via a gunboat?

Gunboats cannot safely maneuver side-by-side with ships in the open seas without risking collision and damaging one ship or both.

If the commandos were trying to board from a smaller boat along side the freighters, it gives the people on the larger freighter a position of tactical superiority which allows them to rain heavy objects down on the commandos boats/heads or, if the people on the larger freighter have firearms, it gives them the tactical advantage of grazing fire and the ability to kill all of the commandos because if any of their shots strike the target from above, they will be striking the head or vital organs with the bullets passing down through body from above before the round expends it's energy into the target.

Rappeling from above is the safest way to board in a tactical situation.

I'm sure the helicopter troop transports had helicoter gunship escorts or at least door gunners on the troop transports with heavy machineguns and possibly rocket pods.

Posted by: Oz at June 1, 2010 12:32 AM

"How does one fight a guy that wants --actually, hopes-- to die while trying to kill you? To maximize his chance, he brings a stick and attack you violently, knowing you have a firearm.

If you let him kill you, he and all his kind will rejoice and similar attacks will multiply. If you kill him, the whole world condemns you and accuses you of massacre. Either way, you lose.

Now, imagine 62 years of that. Every day."

Very well said Manny

Posted by: multirec at June 1, 2010 1:12 AM

More here:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-finance-flotilla

Posted by: TJ at June 1, 2010 1:26 AM

Israel is in a no-win situation as far as public opinion goes. They will be condemned no matter what they do. They are fighting for their very existence.

I Stand with Israel. If I was yonger I would go over and join their army. God protect Israel.

Posted by: Terry Anderson at June 1, 2010 8:12 AM

True, Terry, unfortunately true. Even a few people here seemed to have taken the bait. Had the Israelis sunk the ship, the carefully calculated outrage would be the same.

Posted by: tower at June 1, 2010 9:00 AM

Just looking over at the Mother Corp. board, and, sad to say, there appears to be a huge number of anti-semites and closet Nazis in Canada.

Also, as a side note, on the tube at dinnertime, I saw one Zoe Blunt on the ceeb, 'activist' was her label, snivelling about the whole thing, as one of the 'shields' was a friend of hers.....Blunt is well known here in Victoria (not her real name of course) as your typical anti-everything, get your name in the press, self-sacrificing welfare momma. Check out her webpage, she's a self-described anarchist.....nice to see what our system spits out, and supports with welfare!

Posted by: DanBC at June 1, 2010 9:12 AM

I 'spose the bright side is that the commandos didn't torpedo the ship and then machine gun all the survivors in the water.
I understand that one of the Canadians who was probably resisting Israeli special forces is missing and likely received his just desserts.

Posted by: el gordo at June 1, 2010 12:08 PM

The news coverage today is interesting. Bloomberg radio is reporting it as an "unprovoked attack on a humanitarian aid convoy".

I don't think I need to comment further on that, given the video above.

Posted by: The Phantom at June 1, 2010 12:12 PM

el gordo, just wondering if you remember anything else that was going on in 1967 besides the USS Liberty attack... other than Montreal Expo, of course.

Posted by: The Phantom at June 1, 2010 12:19 PM

I am sooo tired of listening to Sunil Ram on CKNW. The guy even went so far as to use the term "Zionist" to describe supporters of Israel. Maybe it's just me but I've found that people who use the term "Zionist" just don't have the guts to yell "JOOOOOOS". What really gets me is the minimal background check these news services do. Ram teaches at couple of "distance learning" institutes like www.peaceopstraining.org/about_us/ and http://www.amu.apus.edu/academic/faculty-members/bio/237/sunil-v-ram. He get totally ripped for fluffing his resume on the Army.ca boards (http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=65100.0). How the hell does this guy get air time? I guess an accent and the "correct" background go a long way...

Posted by: the rat at June 1, 2010 2:57 PM

Torpedo the ships, blame North Korea.

Posted by: grok at June 1, 2010 3:21 PM

Good stuff from the webs - refreshingly not generated by the Volkischer Beobachter in this case:
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Over the past two years, the Navy has turned back a number of boats dispatched by the Free Gaza movement while also allowing a few to deliver their goods.

Either way, the group continues to label Israeli policies toward Gaza "outrageous, cruel and violent," while failing to note rocket attacks or activities against Israel by Hamas and other Gaza-based terror cells.

According to the most recent posting on the Free Gaza movement's website, a 1200-ton cargo ship, named after the late international activist Rachel Corrie, has set sail from Ireland to meet up with the "eight-vessel Freedom Flotilla" carrying construction material, medical equipment and school supplies.

Corrie died on March 16, 2003, after dropping to her knees in front of an Israeli bulldozer clearing underbrush to uncover bombs near the Rafah border crossing with the Gaza Strip.

While an investigation determined that the driver was unable to see her, the activists, who had defied orders to leave the area, successfully promoted the accident as murder.

Israel, which has continued to deliver supplies to Gaza residents, insists there is no humanitarian crisis there.

Last week the IDF transferred 14,000 tons of fuel, food, medical supplies and equipment, clothing and animal feed to the Strip.
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I hate hippies - especially Nazi hippies.

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 1, 2010 5:22 PM

cal2- went to link and what is shown is disturbing.
God bless the Israeli servicemen and women and their families.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the Israelis who await the coming of their Messiah, Jeshua.
Come, Lord Jesus.

Posted by: gellen at June 1, 2010 5:27 PM

"I hate hippies - especially Nazi hippies."

Well, that's my favorite quote today.

Posted by: Black Mamba at June 1, 2010 5:29 PM

@Black Mamba: My pleasure. As soon as I heard about the flotilla, I knew what would happen. This was a carefully planned act of provocation designed to cause exactly the sort of anti-Israel outcry from concerned *lobotomy victims* worldwide.

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 1, 2010 5:35 PM

Just in case anyone thinks this is *exclusively* about doe-eyed hippie morons:

The Interior Ministry listed the detainees as being from Australia (3), Azeberbaijan(2), Italy (6),Indonesia (12), Ireland (9), Algeria (28), United States (11), Bulgaria (2), Bosnia (1), Bahrain (4), Belgium (5), Germany (11), South Africa (1), Holland (2), United Kingdom (31) Greece (38), Jordan (30), Kuwait (15), Lebanon (3), Mauritania (3), Malaysia (11), Egypt (3), Macedonia (3), Morocco (7), Norway (3), New Zealand (1), Syria (3), Serbia (1), Oman (1), Pakistan (3), the Czech Republic (4), France (9), Kosovo (1), Canada (1), Sweden (11), and Yemen (4).
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Yes - you can see why so many GREEKS would see Muslims, Turks in particular, as their allies. Jesus wept...but happily only one Canadian Einsatzgruppen member.

There's a reason the country is called "Turkey", people!

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 1, 2010 6:09 PM

There seem to have been several German lefty politicians aboard this flotilla. While I admit that this is not strictly rational (hey, I'm a chick), I strongly feel that no German has a moral right to take any stand against Israel, ever. Get back to me in 100 years about that one.

Let them stop trying to exorcize their ancestral guilt by projecting it onto their victims.

Posted by: Black Mamba at June 1, 2010 6:12 PM

Black Mamba, right on! And lest anyone forget: scratch an anti-Israel activist and...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thivierr/3186440406/

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 1, 2010 6:21 PM

Ah God, it just gets worse: a list of `British citizens` aboard the flotilla - please note the names...and enough from me, my cynicism meter is redlining.

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Muslim News has published an (unconfirmed) list of British citizens it says were in the Gaza flotilla:

Laura Macdonald Stuart
Ebrahim Musaji
Jamal Sayed
Parveen Yaqub
Baboo Adem Zanghar
Ahsan Shamruk
Mustafa Cengiz Ahmet
Tauqir Sharif
Boudejma Bounoua
Mohammad Bounoua
Sakir Yildirim
Kenneth O'Keefe
Ali El-Awaisi
Mohammed Bhaiyat
Lort Phillips Alexandra Mary
Sarah Nancy Colborne
Ismail Adam Patel
Nader Daher
Mahi Mohammed Abid
Nur-E-Azom Choudhury
Kevin Ovenden
Peter Venner
Clifford Gardner Hanley
Muzzammil Layth Chogley
Jamaluddin Mohammad Farid Elshayyal
Hassan Al Banna Ghani
Lazrag Salah
Ali Altan

Posted by: Michael H anderson at June 1, 2010 6:29 PM

I rarely post, but this media reaction just has me fuming!

Someone above mentioned the Tobin fisheries thing. Fast forward to Aug 2000, when heavily armed Canadian Forces dropped from helicopters with two destroyers flanking to forcefully board a US owned ship in international waters that was holding a large quantity of our military materials hostage over a payment dispute. Don't think for one second our boys wouldn't have done the exact same thing the Israeli's did here.

2nd, laws of the sea give a country jurisdiction to enforce it's laws up to 200 miles out in its EEZ. UNCLOS article 101.

Posted by: d_abes at June 1, 2010 6:59 PM

Oh, and let me add Military forces routinely, likely daily, board merchant vessels in the Gulf of Arabia in international waters without incident searching for contraband.

Posted by: d_abes at June 1, 2010 7:01 PM

The ISM was involved ... of course....
The same SOBs who set up the useful idiot Rachel Corrie a few years ago.


http://www.stoptheism.com/

Posted by: OMMAG at June 1, 2010 11:19 PM

ET. It's my understanding that the reason Israel's forces took this action as far out to sea as they did is because if they let the convoy get with 15-20 miles from Gaza then they would have had to deal with an abundance of fishing vessels, demonstrators, etc. They acted in such a way that they wanted to keep any trouble to a minimum.

Posted by: chevy65 at June 1, 2010 11:23 PM

@OMMAG - long before I discovered the joyful community that is SDA, I remember reading about Corrie referred to as "Saint Rachel of IHOP, patron saint of roadkill" - because she was flat like a pancake, y'see - and laughing so hard I nearly fell out of my chair. Some really funny comments about how drug abuse had made her forget that steel isn't transparent, and so forth.

I imagine that some might see her deliberate propaganda suicide as tragic. I agree - so long as we are defining tragedy as "incorrigible muleheaded self-congratulatory stupidity". Here's a pic of her teaching Palestinian kids how to scrawl, then burn, a US flag: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bjbarron/blogfiles/rage_a3.jpg

Posted by: Michael H Anderson at June 1, 2010 11:38 PM
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