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April 14, 2010

The Sound Of Settled Science

You mean that big, glowing ball in the sky can actually affect the climate?

When the Sun’s magnetic output is low, winters in Europe tend to be cooler than average – whereas higher output corresponds to warmer winters. That is the conclusion of a new study by physicists in the UK and Germany that looked at the relationship between winter temperatures in England and the strength of the Sun's magnetic emissions over the last 350 years. The group predicts that, global warming notwithstanding, Europe is likely to continue to experience cold winters for many years to come.

Those wacky physicists!

h/t Don

Posted by Kate at April 14, 2010 6:51 PM
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You know what's annoying about this?

Its that since the warmies f-ed up all our surface temperature stations over the last 20 years, we can't even do science like this any more. We have to go out and spend umpteen zillion dollars to re-create what they broke trying to sell their snake oil, just to get proper surface temps.

That really burns my thrusters.

Posted by: The Phantom at April 14, 2010 10:39 PM

What,?! Using data, and correlations and direct observation!!!??? Have those physicists no concept of true, "settled" climate "science"??? There's a lone bristlecone pine on the Yamal penninsula that could show those upstart physicists a thing or two. Deniers! Heretics! Burn them! (With appropriate carbon offsets of course).

Posted by: DrD at April 14, 2010 10:47 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265638/Time-coats--forecasters-say-SNOW-way.html

Posted by: George at April 14, 2010 10:57 PM

My understanding is that heat comes from inside the earth, where it's a million degrees. And from farting cows.

I don't believe this whole "sun" theory - it's just too far away.

Posted by: EBD at April 14, 2010 10:58 PM

EBD, the moon reflects light and heat onto the earth, No?

Posted by: puddin n pie at April 14, 2010 11:03 PM

Nonsense....
Today I noted crows flying west in the morning and this evening they were flying east.

Posted by: sasquatch at April 14, 2010 11:29 PM

I wish that the IOP hadn't used the word "blamed".
Next the moonbats will put the Sun on trial.
You think I jest - but look at them as they
attempt to demonize carbon dioxide!

Posted by: John Lewis at April 14, 2010 11:53 PM

Look at the heat coming from the Iceland volcano melting glaciers no less

Posted by: tranio at April 15, 2010 12:18 AM

Nice to see some climate science around here.
From the article --

// However, Lockwood is keen to emphasize that this research can tell us nothing about global climate change. He and his colleagues also analysed temperature data from central England in their raw state, rather than corrected for the underlying hemispheric warming trend, and found the relationship with solar activity breaks down after about 1900, when other studies show that central England temperatures began to respond to global climate change. "There is a tendency to see a local or regional effect as evidence for or against global warming," says Lockwood. "But our work shows how one can have a regional and seasonal variation that shows solar influence but which is different from the trends in global average data."

Michael Mann of Penn State University in the US says the research "appears to be a very solid //analysis",

Posted by: dizzy at April 15, 2010 12:34 AM

Fat Algore and Suzookie are so stupid this will fly right over them. The both of them are so dumb, they would walk into their hot houses, and blame the heat on their kids farting instead of them turning the thermostat up to high. It's the sun Al.

Posted by: bartinsky at April 15, 2010 12:40 AM

damn that dirty magnetic sun all to he11-taylor

Posted by: cal2 at April 15, 2010 1:10 AM

Mike Lockwood and others wrote a paper a few years ago "conclusively" showing that solar output changes did not effect climate. It seems the sun has a few other tricks up its sleeve. Whitewashes not withstanding, now that the travesty of AGW has been exposed, we are going to see a lot more papers on what is really going on.

Posted by: Tregonsee at April 15, 2010 8:04 AM

Does this mean the Climate Scientology is just another story that has been Fifed?

Posted by: Fred at April 15, 2010 8:27 AM

"big, glowing ball in the sky "

Yep that little obscure ball of seething, uncontrolled, unstable, nuclear fusion that could right this instant be lancing out a solar flare that would sterilize the earth.

There oughta be a law!

Posted by: Fred2 at April 15, 2010 9:25 AM

John Lewis;

Oh crap, now Dalton McGuinty is going to tax sunlight.

Posted by: Greg at April 15, 2010 9:31 AM

They will probably put a sensor on the crappy smart meter on the side of my house and charge more for power when the sun intensity is higher too.

Posted by: Greg at April 15, 2010 9:33 AM

At the risk of paranoia. This article does not read as a validation of the idea that the solar activity affects climate. Rather, it looks like an attempt to deny any global effect by claiming that the undeniable European effect was only local.

Posted by: pete e at April 17, 2010 2:46 AM

For some strange reason, a loud "duh" followed by a huge Bronx cheer seems appropriate.

Posted by: The Monkey King at April 18, 2010 2:18 AM

Wait for it.............

The volcanic eruption in Iceland will soon be blamed for the continuing (!?) cold weather all over the globe. So now they can say that global warming will be BACK in a few years when the volcanic effect clears, so they have a few more years to push Cap n Trade.

So why did it cool prior to the eruption? Ah, easy: All-Knowing Gaia, our Mother Earth, anticipated the coming volcano. Kind of like how She anticipated the coming industrial age, and started the warming in the late 1800's, prior to the increase in use of fossil fuels.

Blame the volcano in 5, 4, 3............

Posted by: iurockhead at April 18, 2010 11:19 AM
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