Lemme see.......

surplus males = cannon fodder
surplus males = only hope of mating is rape, pillage and plunder of neighbours

Nah... nothing come to mind as going wrong.

The USA belonging to the Chinese thanks to the One's zillon dollar debt on the other hand... hmmm... come to think of it there' your solution to all those single ghetto moms (some of them 3rd or 4th generation)... a horny single chinese dude can't be picky now, can he?

That's just brutal and inhumane. Having 30 million extra men with no prospect of finding a girlfriend/wife is a recipe for something bad to happen.

It'll make for a good standing army, I guess...

Male fertility in the developed Western world is decreasing. More girls than boys are being born because of the chemicals in the food and water. The Chinese know what they're doing, they're in it for the long haul, so are the Muslims. In a few generations the West will be overpopulated with women and only a few metrosexual girlie-men will be left to defend the country. The Muslims and Chinese know this and are getting prepared for global conquest. Your granddaughters will curse you.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/disappearingmale/

Possibly 50 million men emigrating from China in the next 30 years.

Before we go off half-cocked, let's wait and see if the first Beijing Gay Pride Parade materializes.

"Having 30 million extra men with no prospect of finding a girlfriend/wife is a recipe for something bad to happen."

Look for legal & very profitable brothels, booming sex crimes rates.

John: the dearth of females in China isn't some end result of a Chinese government scheme for global conquest. Long before China (and India) went through their so-called economic miracle female babies were considered a disappointment, and wives were cursed at and beaten by their husbands for not having a boy. Now, with the advent of western technologies like ultrasound, families can take care of it before it becomes a problem.

"The Chinese know what they're doing, they're in it for the long haul, so are the Muslims."

Of course!!! Why didn't I see it before?

These cultures have been preferring boys to girls for thousands of years because they were able to foresee the evolution and decline of western civilization. They knew that one day America would be discovered and that the greatest civilization the Earth had ever seen would take root there. They also knew that their own cultures and religions would be at odds with this upstart in the yet-to-be-discovered "western hemisphere." They were just that good.

The Chinese also were able to miraculously predict their own over population "crisis" (which, of course, was just just to be the "official cover story" for the whole "one-child" policy).

Mix a one child policy with a preference for boys and presto...you've got the perfect formula for taking over the west - a civilization that didn't even exist yet...in a world that wasn't even known yet.

Yep...thousands of years ago, they began planning and developed their own cultural preferences accordingly.

Wow Galt! That is some deductive mind you've got.

Sounds like polyandry will become popular in China.

Sounds to me that China is fast becoming a nation of wankers.

Believe what you want, you've obviously missed the point. Ad hominem arguments don't change the facts here and now. Go to the link I provided and educate yourself. Of course they haven't been planning this for thousands of years; I didn't say that. They will however take advantage of emerging opportunities, that's why they have America by the short and curlies financially speaking. They've already conquered N.America in the aisles of MalWart.

Wow, bummer if they sex-selectivize themselves down to less than a BILLION people eh?

Meanwhile, while China is looking like having 30 million young men of military age with no girlfriends in the next 10 years, The Great Barack Hussein Obama is busily giving away the USA's nuclear arsenal to Vladimir Putin.

Maybe Harper can fire up Chalk River to make some plutonium and Avro can be re-formed to make some bombers really quick.

Off setting the controlled population cull to favor males gives the technocratic state a ready resource for staffing an aggressive armed force.

An idea I didn't see listed above is that a government that can take it upon itself to limit the size of families and that cares nought for civil rights could just order the forcible conversion of some of its surplus male population into a female population.

Or just "fix" enough of them that there won't be competition and that there is no-one other than the great leader to whom the mules owe allegiance. (a la Marmalukes or Janissaries, which brings us back to Tanker's first post on the topic.)

the demographics of SW BC are the same for the same reasons in the same ethnic group.

lucky they have a thriving gay community just looking for volunteers.

China , will have to let gangs take care of the surplus

Yeah...CBC documentaries are one of the best sources for one to educate themselves.

To really appreciate the serious miscalculation by the government think of unwanted girls that weren't aborted and have been adopted by western families. Granted it wouldn't make up for the 30 million shortfall but it disproves the notion that all Chinese people are math wizards.

The shortage of women in China is kind of amusing in that if you pick up any of the "alternative" papers in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, or Ottawa, there are literally hundreds of young Chinese women offer their, um, services. Where did they all come from?

Although I suppose John Galt would tell us that this is all part of a Chinese plan to weaken Western democracy further by tempting our men with the pleasures of the flesh.

This has nothing to do with any plan by the Chinese government, although the Chinese government is responsible in applying its one child only to couples with state enforced abortions for more than one. When you add in the culture where a male child is necessary, since his role will be to look after his parents in their old age, what else could anyone expect. Contrary to Western culture, the norm is not to place old people in separate homes where they are ignored by their children.

I agree that this does represent a serious demographic problem for China, but their communist government holds the responsibility.

As for any future contest between the Muslims and the Chinese, all my bets are on the Chinese. No, it is not about race, especially since Muslims are not a race; it is about culture.

Did you know that the dowry system in the Middle East is the opposite of what we think -- the man would pay for his wife and not the other way around?

Think the Chinese will start demanding reverse-dowries anything soon? If they reasoning is that they all want someone to take care of them when they're older, then charging a hefty amount for the sale/marriage of their daughter might do it.

"Yeah, CBC documentaries are one of the best sources for one to educate themselves."

If you followed the link instead of 'shooting off from the lip' then you could see all the research which supports the documentary listed as a sidebar on the webpage.

Do try to argue intelligently, instead of shooting at the messenger.

It is state-sanctioned tribal retardation accepted by some in the West.
Could it work militarily? Maybe. But where is one to get replacement soldiers?
China, like Russia, is ultimately doomed.

Too bad that all those huge demonstrations at Chinese embassys round the world by feminists outraged at the gender selection abortions did not have the wanted effect.

What? You mean.....they didn't? There weren't any......none? WTF!

Oh ya, I forgot. Feminists think abortions are OK. So I guess if abortions are OK - gender specific abortions must be OK too.

"China, like Russia, is ultimately doomed."

There is a problem with the logic behind most of the arguments here.

Consider this: The Chinese (and, indeed, Indians) have long been known for having a bias against female children. Its not a matter of 3 or 4 decades or even centuries; the bias towards the male child has been present in both those regions for millenia. Yes, its true: Female infanticide has been around for millenia.

Appalling? Very.

Impact: Zilch. Zero. Nada. None.

In spite of millenia of wars and female infanticide, India and China have the two largest populations of the world. 30 million mateless men is fairly insignificant. All it means is that 23 men out of 1000 won't find a woman.

This assumes that:

a) No adultery will ever take place.
b) Prostitution will suddenly disappear.

Yes, its tragic for some men, but will it lead to the decline of China or India?

Great western minds have been predicting that for a millenium. And they've been wrong throughout. Want a country to worry about? Try Japan. Low population grown and low fertility. Far more doomed than China.

"Too bad that all those huge demonstrations at Chinese embassys round the world by feminists outraged at the gender selection abortions did not have the wanted effect."

Hate to break it to you, but theres literally gazillions of feminist groups carrying out grass-roots level programs in Asia. Heck of a lot more useful than standing outside an embassy yelling. Feminists have earned the right to be called hypocrites in many cases. This just isn't one of them.

A society with 30 million more men that women! Must be an advanced and intelligent country!

Hey John Galt

I'd think quoting the CBC to back up one's argument is a trifle self-defeating.

If they keep this up, China is going to become a nation of sodomites. They better plan for lots of facilities for training hairdressers and interior decorators.

To quote the great Rosie O'Donnell:

"ching chong ching chong!!"

It's war for sure.

The notion that surplus sons make war more likely makes sense when the average family has 4 or 5 kids. It is less certain when the son is the only child. There will be consequences, but they are by no means clear.

The notion that surplus sons make war more likely makes sense when the average family has 4 or 5 kids. It is less certain when the son is the only child. There will be consequences, but they are by no means clear.

There's no 'ad hominem' tactic in criticizing you, John Galt. Your opinion deserves criticism because it is without empirical evidence.

First, you can't substantiate that there is any evidence that the Chinese (and Muslim) support for boys has a political agenda for world domination. This desire, as others have pointed out, is social; it's ancient, and is found in all economies that are hard-labour agricultural, where sustenance and shelter depends on male labour.

There is no relation to this ancient cultural belief and the Communist attempt to reduce population with their 'one-birth' rule. Put these two beliefs together and you get the unfortunate result. An unforeseen result.

As for your statement that more girls are born than boys - because of chemicals in food and water - you need to prove this. It can't be found in the CIA statistics. For example, the US sex ratio at birth has slightly more boys than girls; the discrepancy shows in later life with women living on average longer than men. And that's valid everywhere even in China.

Same with Canada. Same with France. Denmark. Germany. It's average 1.05 male to female.
So, your supposition that 'it's the water' doesn't have any empirical validity.

The pakies are going to be in the same boat too.

All men are not created equal, I don't care what anyone says.

This is a good time for Canada and the U.S. to correct the trade deficit with China, by shipping any surplus women to them.

We could empty our women's prisons and mental institutions, like that fellow communist did to the U.S.

Payback. ;-)

"All men are not created equal, I don't care what anyone says."

Amen.

In the hierarchy of life, there are intelligent people. And below that, there are the morons (commies, fascists etc). And right at the bottom, apparently unable to compete even with the morons, we find Jim.

It ain't politically correct Sigma, but unfortunately it's true.

- 15 out of 20 of the world's filthiest cities are in China.

- about 10% of the water that comes out of the tap in China is potable.

- the growing gender imbalance is going to leave China a cultural basket case.

You may be on a cultural par with those folks Sigma, but I am made of better stuff.

Whats the big stink about? China has recognized women have control of their own bodies and thus can remove any intrusive object from it they want. Shouldn't we be celebrating this liberty for women?

The headline "China's shameful massacre of unborn girls" is not accurate and would constitute a hate crime in Canada. There is no gender, or human for that matter, until the internal growth inhales air. Saying there are "unborn girls" in the womb is an afront to all that is feminist and vile.

Possibly 50 million men emigrating from China in the next 30 years.

Or mail-order brides from the West. You lucky girls.

I've lived in China off and on for about 5 of the last 9 years. It's quite a good article, everything that he describes I've seen in at least 3 provinces. There are other factors at work too that are hard to see.
1)It's now very profitable for country girls to work as prostitutes for a few years close to their hometown, save most of their money and then move home to open a store to support themselves and their parents. They are considered "tainted goods" then and hence unmarriable, further skewing the numbers.
2) There is a large urban population of gay men, but it's very difficult to put any number on that.
3)Urban girls from upper class families are more commonly considered very valuable to their parents. Educated parents know that a daughter with an excellent education can either get a high paying job to support them, or be married off to a richer man who will support them. Either way, they win. But a boy can only marry a poorer girl and her parents will be a burden.
4)I have never yet seen any foreign feminist organization, individual or effort on this topic inside China, in either language.
5) This policy was a reaction to Mao's policy of population expansion. It is very difficult for this government (or any really) to distance itself from any of their founding father's policies, no matter how insane.

Ignoramus, you are incorrect.
A larger number of female babies can be aborted due to ultrasounds. Female infanticide is still rampant. Surviving female children could be adopted elsewhere. There are 110 men to 100 women. The numbers will continue to deflate. Unless desperate Chinese men will marry North Korean women, I don't see the Han Chinese surviving into the next century.
Let's also remember the cancer villages spotted throughout the country.

There seem to be enough men dying in Chinese coal mines to balance things out.

Does anyone else see an irony here. The big brains of the world worry about too few Chinese girls. The populace continues to worry about too few boys. If the big brains are right, what we need is a way to communicate the new reality to the populace.

I'm thinking we need to loudly discuss the inevitable reverse dowry. Maybe China should flamboyantly introduce laws to limit reverse dowries to two years' wages.