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April 6, 2010

Y2Kyoto: The Easiest Question Of The Year

What's the next 'Global Warming'?

WATER!

Pay attention, people. They've already begun.

Posted by Kate at April 6, 2010 8:50 PM
Comments

Personally, I think that "the next" is still the same as it always has been:
"What's the next?" is the constant next. Whenever you solve your biggest
problem, your second biggest problem becomes your biggest problem.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 6, 2010 9:09 PM

Marvellous, simply wonderful - Anthropogenic Global Densification!

Apparently, that means that 'stuff'; that is, material things such as people and buildings and all the stuff of their material greed, including bigger houses, are exponentially increasing and this is TOO Heavy for the earth's crust...and the earth's crust is getting thinner anyway because we greedy people are extracting minerals and whatever...oh, and the radius of the earth is getting smaller...and.. the earth will shrink and we'll all fall off.

Marvellous. I like the flat earth scenario better; but you can't knock an outline that puts Man the Sinful at the centre of everything.

Posted by: ET at April 6, 2010 9:15 PM

They're not problems, Vitruvius. They're a means to exert control. Energy, air, water - they don't get any bigger than that.

Posted by: Kate at April 6, 2010 9:22 PM

Re: Water

Careful Kate. Unlike AGW, depletion of acquifer supplies is a readily measureable and very serious worldwide problem. Here in North America, the worst effects can be overcome by:

1. Killing the goofiest environmentalists;
2. Doing massive inter-basin transfers to
areas where local supplies have been
mismanaged to near-exhaustion.
3. Get used to damned expensive water.

Unfortunately, many parts of the world don't have the transfer option, and I'm damned if I know what they might do.

Posted by: Lee at April 6, 2010 9:25 PM

For most of the populated areas of the world the problem is filthy water. A simple plastic tank filled with sand will get rid of 99% of the crap that is in that filthy water.

Now ask the question "Why aren't more people using this simple and proven purification method?"

I'll let you in on two reasons...

1) International health groups.
2) Government meddlers.

Posted by: OMMAG at April 6, 2010 9:36 PM

Vitruvius, the corollary for the Silent Spring crowd might be:

"Whenever your latest fabrication is debunked, what fallacy can we next impose?"

Lee, I'm not sure I'd agree that aquifer depletion is a "Global" phenomenon.

Posted by: SDH at April 6, 2010 9:37 PM

Well, frankly, I am against the indiscriminate killing of enviromentalists, even the truly wacky ones. I think that they should put their efforts to do good by digging wells. Somewhere within Amazonia or perhaps the Congo - and in accordance with their alliance with Mother Nature, to have none of these evil, polluting devices of foul western civilization in their possession. Sticks and flint shards were good enough for our ancestors and will be satisfactory for them.

Posted by: KimW at April 6, 2010 9:37 PM

Quite so, SDH. Hmm, how 'bout if I word it this way, Kate: whenever we eliminate their biggest way to exert control over us, their second-biggest way to exert control over us becomes their biggest way to exert control over us. My apologies for over-using "problems" and words like "experiments" in situations like this, it's just that's how I see situations ~ it's probably something Aspergery or something like that ;-)

This is not an argument against yet again defeating their next
way; it's more of an "over hill, over dale" argument. Trail ho!

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 6, 2010 9:44 PM

A water tax. Water tax! That's it !!

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at April 6, 2010 9:47 PM

The current National Geographic issue is on water, too. The did the same thing in the 90s, I think. I have lots of their back issues, and they bitch a LOT about water.

Posted by: safety forced at April 6, 2010 9:50 PM

A rent-seeking water tax could be used to subsidize the renewable fresh water industry.

Oh, wait. The sun and the oceans and the atmosphere has been doing that for millions of years already.

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at April 6, 2010 9:56 PM

Peak water :(

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at April 6, 2010 9:58 PM

Desalinization

Posted by: Aizlynne at April 6, 2010 9:58 PM

A few weeks ago we had 2 (Dem) congressmen getting increased water allocation for their portion of the San Joaquin Valley, but none was announced for Representative Nunez' (R) part of the valley.

The 8 minute Glennn Beck interview is still up here:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013601.html#comments

Even water that might seem to be a state jurisdiction, can be hijacked by the environmentalists and become a federal enforcement tool.

Posted by: WalterF at April 6, 2010 9:58 PM

Drain your pool. It is crazy. Cali wants to remove dams for some damn fingerling while people growing food have 40% unemployment and no water. The battle has been on for years. Now it is going to get nuts. Water the ultimate freaking control. There used to be range wars about that.

Posted by: Speedy at April 6, 2010 10:01 PM

Water is an old issue. It has been talked about for decades.

1) depletion of the acquifer in California
2) Worries over the dam proposed in Minnesota or North Dakota
3) Worries over falling (oops wrong) Great Lakes water Levels, conspiracies that the Americans are draining Michigan through Chicago.

Of course Lake erie is cleaner than it was 40 years ago, when it was predicted that it would die.

It is an issue used to animate the left to bring in taxes, hold nasty businesses to their account. Expect to hear the call for water justice...

Water can always be used more effeciently, often it is wasted, and fouling the nest (pollution) is always a problem to be worked on. But there is no shortage overall....only a local misallocations, usually in places where there isnt wealth to support proper governance....remember that last line, becasue it ties into the point that the richer societies are more environmentally responsible not the other way round

Posted by: Stephen at April 6, 2010 10:02 PM

Oh, the water weenies. Yes, they've been active for a while. They're one of the reasons the farmers can't farm on the richest land in California. The excuse was saving the smelt, but the impetus came from the enviro-whacko save-the-water crowd.

Frankly the Americans could fix most of the shortage problem if they just charged people for what the water actually costs. Suddenly there'd be no green lawns in Arizona, Nevada or Southern California, and equally suddenly there'd be no water shortage.

There really is no end to this crap other than the crushing defeat of Leftist ideology. No more protecting people from themselves, no more fracking up the free market with "incentives" and welfare payments, and suddenly all these imbeciles will be reduced to wearing "The End Is Near!" sandwich boards on street corners.

Because as we all know to our regret, these freakydeaky watermelons are far too stupid to find an actual problem and then come up with a real, functional solution.

Basically, what Vit said. ~:)

Posted by: The Phantom at April 6, 2010 10:04 PM

I see Lake Ontario everyday driving to work. The day I'm driving to work and it's gone I'll begin to worry about a water crisis.

Posted by: gord at April 6, 2010 10:31 PM

No water? Let them drink Guinness!

Posted by: Shaken at April 6, 2010 10:31 PM

meanwhile Canada screams everytime they talk about exporting water. yet everyday Canada imports water in the form of California produce. I would say millions of gallons a day but I have no way of measuring it.

national geographics water issue still talks about the Himalayan glaciers melting by 2050

does anyone stop to think what happens to a glass of water if its not used to irrigate crops. - it gets sent to the ocean to get salted
not using water doesnt change the headwaters flowrate one CC.

and the Great Lakes. they used to extend up through Manitoba only 7700 years ago where lake number 6 was

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz

Posted by: cal2 at April 6, 2010 10:41 PM

Wrong call Kate. The next thing the greens will do is buddy up with the sustainability nazis and go after food and food production. The indoctrinating has been underway for a while to link your cheeseburger to earth hostility.

Posted by: Watcher at April 6, 2010 11:06 PM

This is exactly what I thought when I saw this month's national geographic. Here is the link if anyone is interested in their propaganda:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/04/table-of-contents

Posted by: Nick at April 6, 2010 11:10 PM

True story,( related to water )

A couple of years ago, on the most watched quebec TV show on Radio-Canada which is called
» Tout le monde en parle »
the show host (Guy.A Lepage) said he was worried someday the USA - once it would run out of fresh water - would invade Canada/Quebec to take our fresh water like the USA »took» Saddam's oil in Irak...

And all the guests seemed very concerned, some of them even agreed it was going to happen eventually, it was only a question of time.

The following day a neighbour in my building who had watched the show told me it was a very possible scenario; the USA invading Canada/Quebec to take our freash water like they » took » Saddam's oil...

I suggested they might buy it from us like they buy oil from saudi Arabia or like they buy our lumber?... but nothing could change my neighbour's mind;
Someday the USA would invade us for our fresh water just as they did Saddam's oil...

That is French quebec for you. ( I know I live there )

no wonder I spend 99% of my time on anything Non-french-quebecois and I prefer anything Anglophone ( internet/blogs, TV, magazines et cetera )

I don't know if we will ever run out of water but one thing is sure;
we will never run out of stupid people.

Posted by: Friend of USA at April 6, 2010 11:21 PM

If only there was a way to create clean electricity AND desalinate sea water to solve both crises at once.

Oh wait, there is ... nuclear power plants.

Posted by: Bumf at April 6, 2010 11:34 PM

The water hysteria has been around for a while. There probably are difficulties in a few parts of
the world - Sahara desert for instance.

But the writer above in thinking to put environmentalists to work digging wells forgets that they can't!
A "student activist" at Memorial University stated recently in a letter
that he didn't know how to dig a latrine.
But he was sure that money was available to pay
someone to do so. I guess he had never seen "Treasure of the Sierra Madre".

Posted by: John Lewis at April 6, 2010 11:36 PM

As the owner of a ranch I can tell you for a fact!!! There are three things that cowboys will fight over 1) whiskey 2) Women and 3) Water

Posted by: mad maxxx at April 6, 2010 11:38 PM

Ah, the Council of Comedians, there's a bunch of well aged troughers.

One of many Obamagabe stimulist gifts to his union and democrat ward healer buddies was "buy American only" on the slush fund local govt projects. That brought a whole bunch of clean up the polluted water environment projects around thirsty southwestern cities to a standstill because a key component for one of the very best systems is made only in Hungary and is highly secret, even from the huge American conglomerate that owns the production company and sales rights.

Priority one is what?

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at April 6, 2010 11:41 PM

[ Time for next eco-scare already?! As Global Warming Movement Collapses, Activists Already 'Test-Marketing' the Next Eco-Fear! 'Laughing Gas' Crisis? Oxygen Crisis? Plastics?] Climate Depot

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at April 6, 2010 11:45 PM

Those old enough, may know that Maude Barlow was working on this scam for a long time, maybe 20 years, maybe longer; finally she can see dollar signs at the end of the tunnel. Who said that socialists/fascists are afraid of money?
Then you have Robert Glennon: “…our lack of measurement and management of our water use”.
Can you see a grant coming, a few million here and there?

Posted by: Lev at April 6, 2010 11:58 PM

"I see Lake Ontario everyday driving to work. The day I'm driving to work and it's gone I'll begin to worry about a water crisis."

Posted by: gord at April 6, 2010 10:31

I wrote a computer model ... sorry Gord, the lake has been gone almost 15 years now.

Posted by: ∞² at April 7, 2010 12:09 AM

Maude Barlow, the new Al Gore.

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at April 7, 2010 12:12 AM
Our fear is that the whole island will tip over and capsize.

Hank Johnson - US congressman (found on WUWT)

Posted by: foobert at April 7, 2010 12:22 AM

SDH, re aquifer depletion

Maybe not global: I frankly don't know much about Africa, Europe, Australia and South America, but China and India have been screwing up their undergound water supplies comparable to what the US has done to the great Ogallala Aquifer. With a combined population of 3 billion, North America, China and India constitute a pretty good chunk of "global".

For years I've been touting the export of water by supertanker from just above tidewater discharge, to anyone willing to pay for it. The Maude Barlow crowd say that diverting this pitance would upset the "delicate balance" of the outflow areas.

Friend of USA:
Not many years ago, I was discussing interbasin transfers with a few well-educated and thoughtful folks from south of the 49th. I was bemoaning the unreasoning Canadian opposition to even studying the economics of selling some of this great renewable resource to our neighbours. The consensus was, "Don't worry, we're not dumb enough to go thirsty just because Canada won't do business with us. If it becomes necessary, in our national interest, we'll just take it".

Water wars aren't just a Greenie pipedream. If "them that has" (anywhere in the world) persist in dog-in-the-manger attitudes, there'll be no more logical and practical reason for invading a neighbour.

Posted by: Lee at April 7, 2010 12:52 AM

Here on Vancouver Island, we've had those 'plastic bag and wire frame' election style posters stuck all over the place, demanding that we keep water 'public' - part of the 'commons' and thus untouchable for any commercial exploitation. It's a pre-emptive move, next on the list of items that can be used to control the rest of us.

Having sailed the coast of British Columbia, I can tell you that there's no end of fresh waters just pouring into the ocean 24/7 - which then gets re-evaporated over time and re-deposited back onto the land and into the same river.

Perhaps they need to recall that all the water that has ever existed is still with us.

Posted by: No Guff at April 7, 2010 12:53 AM

Water monopoly has brought down civilizations before... The SA has totally mismanaged their water, and will definitely be looking north.

Posted by: djb at April 7, 2010 12:56 AM

"If it becomes necessary, in our national interest, we'll just take it"

We should join with Canadian environmentalists and take steps to protect Canada's water supply from anyone who would try to take it.

It is time for Canada to build its own nuclear arsenal to protect our water!

Posted by: rmgk at April 7, 2010 1:28 AM

Water is a real problem for the States.
But it's not something that can be readily socialized.
I know what you're thinking.
The costs of transporting water from one place to another are prohibitive.
Socialism can't beat gravity.

Posted by: dance...dance to the radio at April 7, 2010 1:54 AM

Lee @ 12:52, "If it becomes necessary, in our national interest, we'll just take it." The headwaters originate in Canada and in our national interest you will not just take it.

Posted by: kelly at April 7, 2010 2:02 AM

People need 2 things to survive...sunshine and water. Sunshine cannot be regulated or controlled, Mother Nature does that. Water is abundant on our blue planet, third from the sun.

Posted by: kelly at April 7, 2010 2:37 AM

Hey, "when there's no way out, go deeper in".

Posted by: PiperPaul at April 7, 2010 4:19 AM

A Nat Geo magazine from the early '80's featured water on its cover. In and amongst the tales of water woes around the world was the fact that Saudi Arabia is pumping out ground water from two sources: the exact names escape me - getting old :( - but essentially from a shallow aquifer (okay) and a deep deep aquifer (not okay) that could have geologic implications in the future.

Posted by: PhilM at April 7, 2010 8:11 AM

Now is the time for responsible citizens to burn more fossil fuel. This produces water vapour to keep the hydrological cycle from running out of steam.

Posted by: WalterF at April 7, 2010 8:30 AM

I guess it's a good thing that sea level is going to rise 20 feet then isn't it?

Problem solved.

Posted by: Oz at April 7, 2010 8:35 AM

I thought we were supposed to fear ManBearPig next.

Posted by: Sylvanguy at April 7, 2010 9:39 AM

so if we're running out of water, why are melting glaciers and ice caps a bad thing?

Posted by: Lyle bert at April 7, 2010 10:18 AM

Ron in Kelowna beat me to "the new Al Gore" comment re: Maude Barlow. I love this Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maude_Barlow) quote:

Maude Barlow is the recipient of many educational awards and has received honorary doctorates from eight Canadian universities for her social justice work.

There's that "social justice" thing again, from an "author and activist", with no scientific credentials to speak of. Yes indeed, all of her hard work is about to pay off.

I don't think they'll go after food sustainability just yet; they've been priming the water pump (so to speak) for too long. California has had a "shortage" for years, and even places like Waterloo, Canada, where I currently live, have had water restrictions for years, even though local politicians say we have enough water.

Posted by: Larry Borsato at April 7, 2010 10:18 AM

The US problem regarding water is distribution.

This problem comes from people living in deserts where there is no water....not bright. As posted the logical solution is to price the water at it's cost. Then there would be no green lawns in Phoenix.

The Greenies collectively have the intelligence of the Regina 16----about the IQ of a sack of hammers.

Actually I have participated in exporting water to the US---bottled on pallets. Good business. Capitalism at it's finest.

Re the Delta Smelt and the San Joaquin valley....the recent reallocation of water is proof that it is blantly political not environmental.

Posted by: sasquatch at April 7, 2010 10:31 AM

They have begun.

My 14 year old daughter divulged during a recent conversation that her teacher was lecturing them on the upcoming water shortage.

Lets try and grab the bull by the horns on this one folks.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at April 7, 2010 10:56 AM

Lyle said,

so if we're running out of water, why are melting glaciers and ice caps a bad thing?

If memory serves, the glaciers contain about 90% of all fresh water on planet earth, so the more they melt, the more fresh water we have.

And as some have mentioned, once we use water it evaporates and comes back down ; it is called rain...

Has been working fine for millions of years.

Posted by: Friend of USA at April 7, 2010 11:08 AM

Obviously, we must drill a hole to the center of the planet and drop in a can containing Hilary Swank.

No, it won't stop the implosion, but so what?

Posted by: mojo at April 7, 2010 11:11 AM

Well, this explains why my Halifax water bill is going up 40% this year. mind you I only rent the stuff. What goes in always comes out, one way or the other.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at April 7, 2010 1:51 PM

Sooner or later it was bound to happen that the bedwetters would have a fixation with water.

Posted by: The Glengarrian at April 7, 2010 3:08 PM

The eggheads and envirofreaks are already on CPAC from McGill University slamming Alberta and demanding a FEDERAL/INTERNATIONAL management of this precious Provincial Resource. Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting over.

Posted by: RFB at April 7, 2010 3:33 PM

kelly

"The headwaters originate in Canada and in our national interest you will not just take it."

Brave words. With 320 million Yanks and 33 million Canadians, just exactly how do you propose that we could stop them if they made a serious move to take our water? Hmmmm.

Far better to look seriously at the possibility of selling the stuff to them for a neat profit than piss them off when they become desperate.

Posted by: Lee at April 7, 2010 4:23 PM

Texas Canuck- That's gotta hurt, along with your brand new 15% sales tax.

I watched an episode of Unsolved Mysteries this morning(it's spring breakup). There was a story about a guy who claims theres a huge underground river, under the Nevada desert. Not only is it a potential answer to everyone's water needs, it's also teaming with gold nuggets. I'm grabbing my uncle's dowsing branch, and heading for Death Valley.

Posted by: dp at April 7, 2010 5:12 PM

I fully agree: water will be the next big scare. There is enough real concern with water management to give the story some legs and validity (even as some of the Greenie attempts at conservation and energy reduction have had merit, even as the majority of their policies were just so much s&*t.).

But that's just the bait for the switch: full scale regulation and taxation of water resources ... with all the underpinnings to food production and industry that implies. With agencies, bureaucracies and well paid consultants to manage it all, of course.

Yes, our next generation of government sponsored hucksters will find ways to make money by dumping water into the Sahara, and taxing those with abundant water supplies to pay them for their folly.

Posted by: FredR at April 7, 2010 6:02 PM

Go look at the latest cover of NatGeo (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/04/table-of-contents).

Posted by: David in San Diego at April 7, 2010 8:00 PM

Kate. Please don't link to a site that has the words Maude Barlow emblazoned all over it. I have standards to maintain.

Posted by: Louise at April 8, 2010 3:01 AM

What really gets me are the water nuts here in Winnipeg blathering on about us wasting water and how we'll run out if we aren't careful...in Winnipeg (aka Waterpeg)...we flood somewhere in the Red River Valley almost every year and they pontificate about conserving water.

Posted by: Chemist at April 8, 2010 10:41 PM
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