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March 24, 2010

The Tolerant Left

"So now I have a nice stick, and nobody died." More from the Ann Coulter debacle.

Plus! An overhead view of ip address 99.255.163.5

Posted by Kate at March 24, 2010 10:10 AM
Comments

Free speech or "Coulter" pistols at dawn I say!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at March 24, 2010 10:54 AM

If a conservative doesn't like a speaker, they don't go to hear them. If a liberal doesn't like a speaker, they make it so no one can go to hear them. Please give me more govenment, I can't think for myself.

Posted by: m at March 24, 2010 10:59 AM

There are those (right wingers all) who contend that Ann Coulter is not a racist. In the past Coulter has thought that the idea of a massive annihilation of Mecca would be a good idea. To "nuke Mecca" as it were. If this is not out right promulgation of genocide I do not know what is. Racism at its ugliest. Furthermore, to respond to a question on how she believes Muslims should travel if banned from all airline travel as she supports, she stupidly replied "ride a camel", again this is totally unfathomable; and to even think that there are those idiots that support such garbage. But I guess that is the maximum level to which she and her ilk are able to rise. She is a pathetic, hate filled, racist. Period.

Posted by: T at March 24, 2010 11:07 AM

Well done lefties! You've just shouted Coulter's message for her much more loudly than she ever could have done herself. Bravo!

Posted by: Edward Teach at March 24, 2010 11:08 AM

Silly me, I didn't know that Muslims are a race! Thanks for clearing that up T.

Posted by: steve at March 24, 2010 11:12 AM

I implore everybody here, PLEASE ignore the troll.

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at March 24, 2010 11:12 AM

T - so what?

First, that's your opinion. I consider her, not a racist, but a provocative enrager, someone who says provocative things to fling people out of their comfortable mode of thought and make them think, make them defend or at least think about their beliefs.

And even if she were a racist - so what?

You have absolutely no right to tell me, an adult, who I should listen to, or what I should read. That is for me, and me alone, to make that decision.

If I want to hear a racist - as, for example, Obama went to hear the Rev. Wright's rants against whites and Americans for 20 years - then, that is my right.

Where security or the govt steps in, is only when actual specific violence is advocated. Speech? Nope. Neither you nor the govt have the right to oversee me and what I hear and what I read and what I say.

If the logic of this is beyond your capacity and you rely on the laws, then read Section 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code on Hate Speech. Not only is truth a defence, but, if the topic is one for public debate, then, this is no longer considered hate speech.

Your response to speech that you find offensive ought to be to reject it, ignore it, argue against it. But you have no right to force others into your opinion and close down the speech of others.

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 11:18 AM

Sent to francois.houle@uottawa.ca

"Well done! You've managed to make a laughing stock of Canada by allowing children to disrupt and ultimately shut down a talk on free speech.
I served this country for years and am ashamed to think that the efforts to defend freedom put forth by myself and my predecessors are so readily disrespected.
The damage you and your ilk do to young minds is reprehensible. It takes years for them to reach the level of maturity needed to overcome the leftist drivel that is obviously promoted at your institution and to become free and enlightened Canadians. Rest assured I will closely scrutinize any resumes I receive quoting your school in their credentials.
People need open discourse and exposure to all sides of an issue in order to formulate their individuality. You should be ashamed of every dollar you receive from the taxpayers of this great country."

Posted by: Skull at March 24, 2010 11:25 AM

The intolerant left, knowing that their ideas could never stand up to scrutiny, try and stifle any debate where real ideas (other than their own) may surface. This fear prompted the vice president of this minor league university (supported heavily by the federal government because of it's "bilingual" status)to try and discredit what had not yet been said by Ms Coulter.

This is the same university that is so afraid of hate speech that last year they invited the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to speak and enlighten the students with his holocaust denials, his homophobic stance, his antisemetic views and his hatred of western democracies. This is also the same enlightened university that just last week held an Israel Apartheid conference.

This all goes to show just how ill-informed their students are on what hate speech really is. Yet, these are the same people who are trying to protect me from hearing other views based on the assumption that they know better than me what I should be exposed to. Seems that critical thinking is not a by-product of a university education any more.

Posted by: Fiumara at March 24, 2010 11:26 AM

T bag
It's OK for a "Holy Koran" follower to call for the inhalation of all of Israel for no reason other than their religious beliefs are different but Ann Coulter is "a racist" for her off handed comments that I'm sure were not taken seriously.
While writing to the U of China, I mean Ottawa, to express my outrage at the behaviour of some of their students I noted that Allen Rock, yes they have his picture, the previous Chreteienite is the president of this fine public institution.
Thought that somewhat ironic?

Posted by: blanks at March 24, 2010 11:35 AM

Steve: Don't be so pedantic. We all know that Muslims subscribe to the religion of Islam. Doesn't change the fact that this woman is an intolerant, ignorant, bigoted anti-Muslim hate monger. And yes a racist.

Posted by: T at March 24, 2010 11:36 AM

The first comment seemed to sum it up pretty well:

Now this is progress. Turning Canada into a intolerant place in the name of tolerance."

Posted by: Dave in Pa at March 24, 2010 11:37 AM

Well said, ET. I was tempted to reply to T myself but decided it would be a waste of time. After all, if refuting an opponent involves stating the obvious, refutation is probably futile. Still, I'm glad you made the effort.

Posted by: RSP at March 24, 2010 11:38 AM

sp.
inhalation, annihilation, same thing where Liberals are involved.

Posted by: blanks at March 24, 2010 11:39 AM

The CBC comment board is enough to make one loose their breakfast.

These lefties are so dense that they do not recognize the hypocrisy in their comments, which they can post because of freedom of expression, Ann was called, by those who claim to abhor violence and hate speech: "a weeping pustule, a call for her to be stomped to death by a camel, to be given a good ole Canadian hockey punch to knock her all the way back home, she has anorexia of the brain, I would love to see her speak and then get arrested for the hateful ignorant person she is, a witch, a few years hence a raucous riotous crowd stoned ladies to death...the ladies were accused of being witches"

Ann did not say anything near as hateful as her opponents have. Most were personal attacks.

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 11:54 AM

Another small victory for the proponents of Big Brother.

Well, at least we know where the future petty tyrants of the bureaucracies are going to come from, the U. of Ottawa.

Posted by: dmorris at March 24, 2010 11:55 AM

What a certain troll chooses to ignore is the fact that if a certain female of the Muslim culture attempted to be in the same room with men, or to get an education, or to speak out publically in a Muslim nation she would have faced persecution, maiming in the least, her life possibly at the worst.
But the fact is that she freely chose to listen to Anne Coulter's words, and then say "Ow, that hurts me. Stop her from doing that in Canada."

That is not an example of racism.That's victimhood.

Free to listen, or free to not listen.
Make up your own mind.
Whoops...lefties want the student union to make up our minds for us.

Pathetic.

Posted by: bluetech at March 24, 2010 11:57 AM

T- that's not an argument, to say that 'If you are Muslim, THEN, you follow the religion of Islam'. The argument Steve made was about the content of Islam, its views of Other People, and Islamism, and the preaching of the imams. You refused to enter this argument. Do you support the Islamic teachings on infidels, jihadism and rejection of others?

Again, so what .. with regard to your opinion of Coulter. It's your opinion; you haven't substantiated it, you haven't provided any evidence. It's simply personal.

Therefore, what's your point? You can't convince anyone to agree with you because you haven't made an argument (reasons, evidence) to justify...your opinion.

As for the actual event, it's a violation of the basic foundation of a free society that the student council would refuse to allow posters announcing the Coulter speech and outlining registration details, but permitted posters to be put up asking protesters to come out to the event! That's obvious bias.

As for the U of Ottawa's permitting such events as Israel Apartheid Week - an event that by its title rejects debate and announces a conclusion beforehand, while the Provost, Houle, obviously a leftist, writes Coulter a provocative and insulting letter that suggests that she WILL speak 'with hate' - that's the irrational hypocrisy of the left.

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 11:58 AM

T:
think of it this way. "Hate speech" is like a drug, and you're supporting prohibition. Historically, how well does prohibition work?

If her ideas are vile, let them be exposed to the light; they'll die on the vine. By censoring her, you reveal enormous contempt for the citizenry and their ability to make a decision.

Posted by: Norman at March 24, 2010 12:04 PM

If anyone is looking to hire students out of university, save yourself some time and thrown the resumes from those who received their degrees from the University of Ottawa in the shredder.

And what would you expect from a University that has a complete moron like Alan Rock as its President?

Posted by: John Luft at March 24, 2010 12:08 PM

By the way, Coulter is filing a Human Rights Complaint with the HRC against the U of Ottawa and its provost, Houle, for inciting a situation where she was viewed with 'hatred and contempt'.

She might have a case but I can imagine the HRC will do everything to reject it, which of course, would show that they selectively pick their cases and do not stand for freedom from being viewed with 'contempt or hate'.

However, Houle's letter and the student council's refusal to allow posters advertising the event while allowing posters asking for protesters - are key evidence.

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 12:39 PM

Norman it isn't prohibition its fascist control over opposing opinions.

Well at least now we know the top school for fascists is the U of O.

Posted by: FREE at March 24, 2010 12:58 PM

"By the way, Coulter is filing a Human Rights Complaint with the HRC against the U of Ottawa and its provost, Houle, for inciting a situation where she was viewed with 'hatred and contempt'."

She and Ezra had better hope to hell that the Muslim student Ann told to "ride a camel" doesn't bring a case against them... because that is way tighter than telling a notorious venom-spewing bigot to try and avoid breaking our laws while in the country.

Looks like Ezra is going to get another chance to scream at a HRC bureaucrat on the YouTube again.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 1:04 PM

No-One

I was reading those comments from the lefties, it sounds like some of them would like Sharia law!
The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that the double standard we all know is there is never acknowledged by the Lefties.

They aren't blind, they allow Human Rights (cough. overtly pro Muslim Rights) and yet they can even admit that they have no tolerance themselves. I think anger and rage over political correctness is going to be the death of me!

Posted by: Justme at March 24, 2010 1:05 PM

What other reaction would you expect from a Canadian institution of 'higher learning' like U/Zero? Ann Coulter is nothing more than a talking head from the American right, an entertainer. Her heavy weight counterparts are Al Franken, Michael Moore etc. These people are not serious thinkers. If you want to listen to their message or have them influence yours....go ahead.
What's the upside? It's all drivel.

Posted by: abtrapper at March 24, 2010 1:08 PM

I make sure I deprogram my kids on a regular basis and they are only 8 and 5 years old,it's incredible the stuff they come home with,the brain washing begins at an early age.I must admit that it becomes tedious at times,trying to help keep their minds open and to realize there's always two sides to a coin.Whenever I feel drained I just come here and scroll down to whatever excrement T has left behind,then it's right back to work again.I wonder,do we blame academia for the Tees of the world or is it more to do with bad parenting?

Posted by: h.ryan at March 24, 2010 1:14 PM

I haven't followed Ann Coulter's career like a doting schoolboy, so I can't say for sure that many of her provocative statements are meant to be ironic hyperbole.

I would have to imagine that most of them are offered in the spirit of most of the lesser mortals who appear frequently in the conservative blogosphere. That is to say, after a few decades of maddening political correctness and a world turned upside down, where religious men fly airplanes into buildings and civil libertarians march for the right of two women to marry and cold is advertised as heat, etc etc, there is a very strong urge to throw up one's hands and say something to the effect of blow this whole thing away ... take these hell demons back to their bottomless pit, and restore original tranquility or at least the Reagan-Thatcher years.

Any details beyond that exasperation are more or less window dressing. Most of us probably feel this way on a regular basis, confronted with the ceaseless babbling of the high priests of the new state religions which don't even have gods any more, just goals.

I blame our educational system for not teaching irony, humour and wit. Anyone with a sense of humour would be hard-pressed to take offense from anything posted on a conservative forum, or spoken by a conservative icon, unless of course it was posted by a liberal, in which case, it's just the intrusion of the sub-literate mind into the pantheon, and nothing to get too worked up about, since it tends to confirm our suspicions that the aliens have not evacuated our planet yet.

It's too bad we live in such a miserably cold country, because if this had happened in the temperate zone, everyone who wanted to hear Levant and Coulter could have just wandered off to some public space and taken in their commentary under the stars.

Well, the furor has had an unexpected consequence in one case out of thirty two million -- this Canuck will now probably follow with much more interest the career of Ann Coulter. I wonder how many others have had their interest stimulated rather than turned off? Sometimes it is better to let one's adversaries speak in public, this is certainly the one redeeming feature of the House of Commons in this dismal era.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at March 24, 2010 1:39 PM

Islam is NOT a race, therefore comments about Muslims cannot be racist.

Please, don't get suckered in by that false argument again.

Posted by: set you free at March 24, 2010 1:40 PM

"I wonder,do we blame academia for the Tees of the world or is it more to do with bad parenting?'

I often wonder the same but then I thought of a classmate of mine. He grew up in a home that spoke German. He couldn't speak English until he started attending grade one. Once he mastered the English language he spoke it without any of the German traits found in most people for whom English is a second language after German. Again my mother was born in Wales and although her older brothers and sisters spoke with a bit of a Welsh accent my mother speaks with an Albertan accent.

In other words T is simply spewing what is common in the culture. It's not based on any deep thought on his part because he simply picked it up along the way along with his native language.

Posted by: Joe at March 24, 2010 1:46 PM

Good for you skull.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at March 24, 2010 1:49 PM

I see the CBC has a poll that appears to be going horribly wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2010/03/ann-coulter.html

Posted by: Leo at March 24, 2010 1:57 PM

Student Federation President 'Shame Us' Wolfe has certainly lived up to his moniker. Fitting that he heads the rabble at the U of Zero!

Posted by: Snagglepuss at March 24, 2010 1:59 PM

Holy crap! You can not make this stuff up! Check out the hammer and sickle background on U of O Students’ Federation president Seamus Wolfe's twitter account.

Posted by: K Stricker at March 24, 2010 2:03 PM

And this gem! "thought for the day: racism is only bad if it doesn't work in your favour"

Posted by: K Stricker at March 24, 2010 2:04 PM

What Ann said to the Muslim girl - who was there to provoke in the first place, does not hold a candle to Milne's eyewitness account of the protesters shouting SODOMY, SODOMY, SODOMY that sounds like a serious threat of violence and towards a female to boot. Milne's account of what he witnessed reminded me of the biblical story where the Angel visited Sodom and Gomorrah when the group of perverted residents arrived and demanded that the Angel be released to them so they could rape the Angel. Genesis 19:1-8

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 2:22 PM

Anybody here in a position to get a list of U of O
alumni, especially the ones that donate on a regular basis?
It might prove interesting if they were made fully aware of just how those donations are being used.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Posted by: atric at March 24, 2010 2:23 PM

what does the overhead view of ip address 99.255.163.5
mean? i tried to follow the links but... can someone explain it to me.
also was happy i saw Ann in London. she was great.

rgraham4444

Posted by: rgraham4444 at March 24, 2010 2:28 PM

rgraham- Me too-on all counts!

Posted by: atric at March 24, 2010 2:31 PM

"I was reading those comments from the lefties, it sounds like some of them would like Sharia law!"

Fine by me, it will be easy for me to assimilate, and perhaps my daughter will start listening to me.

Oh... and I guess I won't have to shave anymore. Bonus!

Posted by: Indiana Homez at March 24, 2010 2:34 PM

I would say that shouting "sodomy", while weird, was not what they were suggesting be done to coulter. More like they were shouting in support of gay sex, and doing so to offend the moral majority.

As for claiming the Muslim woman was there to provoke, what do you mean? She had every right to confront a woman who regularly says horrifically ugly things, and once again rose to occasion.

Again... imagine she'd said "Jews shouldn't be allowed near banking".

Same damn thing. She's no better than your average member of Stormfront.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 2:36 PM

So, 141 Dundas St, the home of that IP has a McDonald's, an unlikely place to find folks surfing the interweb, a private business school a possible source and......

Wait for it!


The Ontario Works Social Assistance administration offices.


A winner mayhaps?

Posted by: AtlanticJim at March 24, 2010 2:37 PM

It may help if the U of O added "The Birth of a Nation" to the political debate...

Paying special attention to President Wilson’s "Progressive Democrat" defination & family values...

Way to many similarities between UO attitudes and the KKK to be happenchance...

Of Course UO could just produce a Canadian, Lowest common denominator, version of the "Jerry Springer Show"
called "We take dumb to a new level"

Posted by: Slap Shot at March 24, 2010 2:40 PM

The imbecility of the left fascinates me.

almost 2000 of then demonstrated violently, showed open hatred and chanted hatefull things directed at Ann Coulter (such as "sodomy") and acted so violently that the police had to intervene,
and they think this will convince anyone that it was Ann Coulter who is the one encouraging hatred?

this is like clubbing 2000 baby seals to protest against a speech on the topic of clubbing baby seals in an effort to convince people you are against clubbing baby seals.

the imbecility of the left really fascinates me.

Posted by: Friend of USA at March 24, 2010 2:40 PM

"I wonder, do we blame academia for the Tees of the world or is it more to do with bad parenting?'

Both.

We blame academia for their treasonous behaviour; and, we blame the parents for their utter disinterest in their children’s education. Also, we blame the parents for not protecting their children from this evasive rape of their education and minds. It's our children who are the victims here! I'm protecting my kids, who's protecting yours?

Posted by: Indiana Homez at March 24, 2010 2:45 PM

john - telling the Muslim student to 'ride a camel' was a joke; it would have been better for Coulter to debate the issue of Muslims on planes - but Coulter is a 'shock jock' and that's how she talks. A lot of late nite entertainers are exactly similar - I'm sure you know what various 'late nite jokers' have said about Palin.

Muslims on planes IS an issue; after all, the only people seeking to blow up planes are Muslims, and they are quite public and open about this agenda. The Muslim community ought to be open about opposing such actions and rejecting this as a Muslim agenda. But instead, we primarily hear - nothing - and when Muslim voices are raised, it's to object to our criticizing them.

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 2:48 PM

Atlantic Jim: but what is the significance of the address?
is that where T is located? that would explain the insane comments from IT.

Posted by: rgraham4444 at March 24, 2010 2:51 PM

Furthermore, I just finished watching South Park with my two daughters (10 & 14) yesterday evening. It was the episode called “Cartoon Wars” where the FOX network was censoring “Family Guy” to prevent them from depicting Muhammad on their show. The gist of the episode is that American’s have decided to bury their heads in the sand. Say what you want about a parent that watches South Park with his kids, but this episode provoked a lengthy discussion about censorship, intimidation, free speech and of course the Denmark cartoon that the episode was based on.

Am..er..i..ca F’ya… Freedom is the only f’n way YEAH!

Posted by: Indiana Homez at March 24, 2010 2:51 PM

She said she did not have access to a flying carpet then riding a camel seems a reasonable alternative to me.
Long Live Ann!
Queen Ann?
GG-Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: blanks at March 24, 2010 2:55 PM

Shoot, my link didn't get through the filter earlier. This truly does expose the type of person Mr. righteous indignation Seamus Wolfe is:

http://twitter.com/seamwolfe/status/1294072013

Posted by: K Stricker at March 24, 2010 3:19 PM

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.”

You may say "hate speech" but I say "free speech".
And no that isn't a direct quote from John Paul II.

Posted by: blanks at March 24, 2010 3:25 PM

Fact: The demonstrators were not violent. Ann, like she does, lied about "liberal blogs telling people to bring rocks and sticks", without anybody being able to find any evidence of this.

Fact: Ann and Ezra claim the cops shut it down, when in fact that deny this, saying they chose to shut it down, probably to create yet another rightwing pity party.

Fact: Telling somebody that Muslims shouldn't be allowed on planes and that they should go ride a camel is indeed a joke, a racist one. It's like joking about Jews and money, or Blacks and watermellon, and it has no place in a university.

And as for this... "Muslims on planes IS an issue; after all, the only people seeking to blow up planes are Muslims, and they are quite public and open about this agenda."

Actually so do Sikhs apparently. But if one billion Muslims should be banned from flying due to the actions of a few individuals, how's about this... we should ban the Irish from bars, because they use to blow up pubs in the 80's.

And let's not forget that conservatives should be banned from purchasing fertilizer. After all, it was Timothy Mcveigh, a radical conservative who blew up the FBI building Oaklahoma killing 165 people. Clearly conservatives can't be trusted around fertilizer because they'll just use it to build bombs. (Besides, you guys make enough of your own fertilizer)

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 3:43 PM

K Stricker,

What do you suppose the chances are that Seamus Wolfe's twitter account is a phony created by a rightwing student to protest the OU student union's rejection of Coulter's posters?

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 3:47 PM

Posted by: rgraham4444 at March 24, 2010 2:51 PM

That address is where the IP address linked above originates.

Said IP address is where the following message to Kathy Shaidle originated. In part it said,

"I'd snap you in half if you tried your bullshit with me in person."


The oh so tolerant left indeed.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at March 24, 2010 4:03 PM

There is a foul rotton stink coming from UofO

Posted by: bob at March 24, 2010 4:09 PM

John - many have recounted their eye witness accounts of what happened at both meetings, and actually, according to an eye witness there was a stick and would have been violence if a certain person did not intervene. Read comment posted at 1:12 here http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013616.html#comments and this eye witness account here: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013629.html#comments click on the hyperlink in the headline.

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 4:11 PM

Posted by: rgraham4444 at March 24, 2010 2:51 PM

That address is where the IP address linked above originates.

Said IP address is where the following message to Kathy Shaidle originated. In part it said,

"I'd snap you in half if you tried your bullshit with me in person."


The oh so tolerant left indeed.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at March 24, 2010 4:12 PM

Whether it was intended or not, these developments show without doubt what our media is and what the real intent of those who run the university system in this country are all about.
As with the HRC they cloak themselves in all sorts of nice sounding rhetoric about free speech and freedom. Their actions, however, are much clearer in revealing their intent: THEY hate. THEY ( University of Ottawa, CBC, Media in general in Canada)do not intend to allow anyone they disagree with to be able to speak freely because they are afraid of ideas and the free exchange of ideas. The Muslim girl who baited Ann in London was there by intent to bait not to freely listen to ideas that do not agree with hers. Ironically, she would be the first victim of those whose intention is to shut down any ideas that do not agree with theirs.
This is not free speech. It is indeed hate speech. They hate anyone they do not agree with and march and agitate to end any discussion at all. They deprived upward of 2000 people from hearing what Ann Coulter had to say. These people wanted to attend this event and a few prevented them from doing so. No free speech in Canada and no freedom of movement either. University of Ottawa and Houle should be ashamed of themselves. And their brand of censorship should be denounced all across this land.
I would also like to have freedom from 'attitude' coming from on air 'hosts' or 'anchors' around this country whose delivery exhudes a dripping snarly distaste for Ann Coulter and anyone who defends her rights and those who came to hear her. Her rights are our rights and they were trampled and abused last night. This is shameful but they have no shame. They do however have a sanctimonious and superior attitude that engenders the barf reflex when seen or read or heard!

Posted by: Snowbunnie at March 24, 2010 4:16 PM

Whether it was intended or not, these developments show without doubt what our media is and what the real intent of those who run the university system in this country are all about.
As with the HRC they cloak themselves in all sorts of nice sounding rhetoric about free speech and freedom. Their actions, however, are much clearer in revealing their intent: THEY hate. THEY ( University of Ottawa, CBC, Media in general in Canada)do not intend to allow anyone they disagree with to be able to speak freely because they are afraid of ideas and the free exchange of ideas. The Muslim girl who baited Ann in London was there by intent to bait not to freely listen to ideas that do not agree with hers. Ironically, she would be the first victim of those whose intention is to shut down any ideas that do not agree with theirs.
This is not free speech. It is indeed hate speech. They hate anyone they do not agree with and march and agitate to end any discussion at all. They deprived upward of 2000 people from hearing what Ann Coulter had to say. These people wanted to attend this event and a few prevented them from doing so. No free speech in Canada and no freedom of movement either. University of Ottawa and Houle should be ashamed of themselves. And their brand of censorship should be denounced all across this land.
I would also like to have freedom from 'attitude' coming from on air 'hosts' or 'anchors' around this country whose delivery exhudes a dripping snarly distaste for Ann Coulter and anyone who defends her rights and those who came to hear her. Her rights are our rights and they were trampled and abused last night. This is shameful but they have no shame. They do however have a sanctimonious and superior attitude that engenders the barf reflex when seen or read or heard!

Posted by: Snowbunnie at March 24, 2010 4:21 PM

The real victims here are the people who paid to see Miss Coulter and could not because some brownshirted infants found her offensive.
Law suits.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 24, 2010 4:25 PM

John - many have recounted their eye witness accounts of what happened at both meetings, and actually, according to an eye witness there was a stick and would have been violence if a certain person did not intervene. Read comment posted at 1:12 here http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013616.html#comments and this eye witness account here: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013629.html#comments click on the hyperlink in the headline.

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 4:29 PM

The difference between conservatives and socialists/liberals is *illustrated* by the shutting down of Ann Coulter's freedom to speak at a university to which she had been INVITED.

Would the U of Ottawa do this to Bill Maher?

Both Coulter and Maher use hyperbole, satire and edgy humour to make their points. Coulter for the right, Maher for the left.

Conservatives have yet to try to shut down the free speech of Bill Maher.

Funny, eh.

Posted by: chutzpahticular at March 24, 2010 4:37 PM

Link from Atlas Shrugs site to a You Tube video exposing who the 17 year old Muslin victim that said she was stabbed in the heart by Ann's take a Camel comment. Seems she is inciting hatred towards an identifiable group on her facebook account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKGK1Mf3MUI&feature=player_embedded#

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 4:49 PM

"The Muslim girl who baited Ann in London was there by intent to bait not to freely listen to ideas that do not agree with hers."

Hahahahahahahahahah!

Seriously? she baited Coulter? Are you that delusional? Coulter trades in this sort of filth. That's her deal. She can't open her mouth without feces spraying from her throat. You can't blame other people for that.

What the clip. Coulter, and all the bigots who cheered the comment re the flying carpet, are dinks. They, (and you) are part of the problem.

And No-One re the violence... one guy's report of another guy brandishing a sign in the passion of the moment, however inappropriate this activity might be, hardly supports Coulter's claim that the event was violent.

And re "5 feet of Fury... I could barely read the insane ramblings. What does this even mean:

"'Aw, isn't it cute? She can TALK and everything!!" Is the blogger shocked that a Muslim is capable of speech? Sounds like it. This is fairly typical of racists to feign shock that the object of their venom behaves like a human being.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 4:52 PM

I'm confused, does this mean that Isreal Apartheid Week is still on or not?

I mean if Coulter's comments about muslims are above the pale, racist, hate-speech. Than what is calling for the destruction of Isreal and for the death of Jews?

Posted by: Chris S. at March 24, 2010 4:54 PM

O's "Blackout" "White House".

No ploblem for the left; after all, O is the "first black president" of the USA.

Now, that "ultra-orthodox Jewish boy" is a problem.

The Muslim is an "Arab".
...-

"Blackout as Israeli leader leaves White House

An ultra-Orthodox Jewish boy looks at a poster with a Palestinian flag showing US President Barack Obama receiving a medal from an Arab

Binyamin Netanyahu due to fly home after extraordinary three-day visit to Washington without even an official photograph"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/

Posted by: maz2 at March 24, 2010 4:55 PM

John, I once surfed onto an Islamofascist website that called Christ (and I quote) "a monkey on the cross". How blistering it was to hear that being uttered but I'm not surprised. People can be judged not by what they love but by what they hate. I can gather from your nonsense, the "random" baiting Muslim girl, the brownshirts seen last night and the idiots who wrote the offending passage that as much as they like to dish it out, they won't take it. There will be no peaceful exchange of ideas or understanding of others' feelings, thoughts or views with these guys. Just blind irrationality and hatred. You've said it all and we get it.
Not to blow my own horn but I have a (humourous) poll that might sort out this acceptable speech mess.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 24, 2010 4:57 PM

Thanks, No-one, for that link.
Will CTV and CBC report that?
I kinda doubt it.


Posted by: chutzpahticular at March 24, 2010 4:57 PM

John - take a look at the girls facebook page. If you want to know what was meant by the take a camel comment - in its proper context - listen to the Coren show from yesterday - or have you already made up your mind?

http://www.ctstv.com/ontario/player.php?ctsvidID=17499&show=Michael%20Coren%20Show

Here is another clip for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKGK1Mf3MUI&feature=player_embedded#

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 4:58 PM

And just so we're clear, belonging to a group that challenges the name of Israel, does not mean she wants to kill Jews, stop them from flying on planes, or converting them to Islam, or "perfecting them".

It could be as simple as being angry that the Palestinians have been forced off of their land, which they have. That's a fact. They were there first, before hundreds of thousands of immigrants moved onto the scene, and citing ancient prophecies, proceeded to take over.

It's not unreasonable, evil, or even remotely terrorist-friendly to be angry with Israeli policy.

And you guys... you make loads of assumptions about this young woman while knowing nothing more than this group, and yet you give Coulter a free pass.

That's why people call you bigots, and rightfully so.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 5:00 PM

Absolutely astonishing: Rita Valeriano, a U of zer0 protester and a women studies (sic) student, accuses Ann Coulter of “hatred” while promoting hatred against conservatives and Miss Coulter.

And, then, there’s Sameena Topan, a conflict studies [WT …?] and human rights major at the U of zer0, who said, "We have a large group of students that can very clearly outline the difference between discourse and discrimination."

She’s kidding, right? Or deluded? Or stupid?

Topan’s discrimination against Ann Coulter effectively deprived U of zer0 students of any “discourse” – and, instead, gave them a mini-course in hatred, thuggery, and blackboots.

These U of zer0 students and their disgraceful provost, Francois Houle, have shown their true colours and they’re brown, as in brownshirts. The acts of violence as part of the protest and the cancellantion of Ann Coulter’s talk are an utter disgrace. ‘No academic freedom here, no upholding of human rights, no freedom of expression. G*d help us that the “progressives” actually think they’ve won some kind of victory. The black hole of strangulating political correctness just got bigger.

As Kathy Shaidle so aptly puts it: Canada sucks.

Posted by: batb at March 24, 2010 5:17 PM

The only bigots John are the leftwing twits and their Islamists' buddies who used alleged threats of violence via throwing food at Ann. Of course over turning a table and intimadating the volunteers was fascists icing on the cake.Setting off a fire alarm is typical of the fascists' left juvinile streak. The only haters are the people who wanted her silenced and censored, and today in this country we woke up and saw the self same face the Nazis are known for when they silenced their critics. The left are being watched, mocked and held in contempt and it's only going to get worse John.

Posted by: Rose at March 24, 2010 5:21 PM

Batb, they haven't won anything, no more than a spoiled child has won when mummy buys him a chocolate bar to silence him (let's not forget that ride home!). The people who have lost out are the people who paid to see Ann Coulter. Who will compensate them?
I will not call anyone "progressive" if they silence people in such a manner. Just saying.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 24, 2010 5:23 PM

batb,

What violence? Please specify what was violent about the protest. Loud. Impolite. Annoying? But violent? Show the proof.

Now as for Rita Valeriano, here is what she had to say to the National Post:

----

"Rita Valeriano was one of several protesters inside the hall who, with chants of “Coulter go home!” shouted down the International Free Press Society of Canada organizer who was addressing the crowd.

Ms. Valeriano, a 19-year-old sociology and women’s studies student, said later that she was happy Ms. Coulter was unable to speak the “hatred” she had planned to.

“On campus, we promise our students a safe and positive space,” she said. “And that’s not what (Coulter) brings.”

-----

What part of this promotes hatred against Conservatives? Telling Coulter to go home is hatred against conservatives? Are you kidding?

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 5:27 PM

Was anyone arrested?

From the looks of it there was no mob. Levant manufactured this whole thing and pulled the plug on his own event.

If there's one thing conservatives love it is to feel aggrieved and feel that the world is out to get you.

Go on feed your victim complex, it feels good doesn't it?

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 5:28 PM

Scott, are you saying that the moon landing was faked?

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 24, 2010 5:34 PM

Ok John - I will spell it out for you. She has no objection with Muslims flying on planes - what she has a problem with is terrorists flying on airplanes. As it turn out most terrorist have Mohamed in their name, her gripe is that a possible way to detect terrorists is to pay special attention to people boarding planes with the name Mohammad, but this is not allowed due to complaints, rightly so I might add, from peaceful Muslims. Yet, astonishingly, the peaceful Muslims who are not part of the terrorist community DO NOT speak out against the radical Muslims that are using their Muslim religion as an excuse to perform acts of terrorism - enforce Sharia law and make thier whole religion look bad. Why are they not speaking out against the terrorism committed in the name of their religion. Why are they not excommunicating Imam's that wholly support acts of terrorism and danced in the streets after 9/11? That was Ann's point John. Silence can be, and often is, interpreted as approval

Posted by: No-One at March 24, 2010 5:35 PM

Osumashi,

Unlike the moon landing, which has loads of video and photos, there is no record of any violence, aside from the one eye witness who saw a guy looking like he might use his sign to get into a fight.

But don't let that get in the way of a pity party.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 5:39 PM

Yes, well unlike your claim, there ARE photos of last night's fiasco with some very angry looking speech-deniers. In fact, their ramblings sound an awful lot like yours.

See here:

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/posted/archive/2010/03/24/university-of-ottawa-president-allan-rock-addresses-ann-coulter-mayhem.aspx

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 24, 2010 5:48 PM

There is a very disturbing development -- Coulter has revealed that her security people were learning before the event that the Ottawa police were involved in setting up pretexts for cancelling the speech. In other words, they were allowing themselves to be used as private agents of the radical students and the Marxist university administration.

If this isn't open revolution, given the context of denial of constitutionally protected freedom of speech, then what is it? I believe this illustrates that revolution is happening right under the noses of the federal government, and that current opposition MPs are probably part of it, as are prominent public servants and well-known public figures in the "human rights" industry.

These revolutionaries need to be put in their place and our constitution needs to be restored.

Meanwhile, our parliament is playing stupid, meaningless games rehashing imaginary "wedge issues" from the darkest depths of Scott Reid's imagination.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at March 24, 2010 5:48 PM

john - you are missing the point.

A particular speaker was invited to a university campus. This speaker is known for her outspoken, in-your-face style of speaking and is conservative rather than 'progressive'. So?

Instead of dealing with her coming to the campus as a speaker, the university provost wrote her a letter, effectively claiming that her speech would be filled with hate, and warning her not to do this. This pre-judgment was offensive.

Then, the student union decided against her, refusing to allow posters advertising the speech in the student union hall but allowing posters asking for protesters against her to show up. This is clear bias and fomenting of hatred on their part.

There were hundreds of people lined up for the event; then, about 30 protesters showed up. I am taking my data from the posts by various people who were actually at the event. The protesters were 'in-your-face' loud - fine, the sad thing is how they refused to allow free speech and instead, tried to insert Their Will against those who actually wanted to hear Coulter and come to their own conclusions.

Do you think it is appropriate for someone else to tell you what you should think about someone? After all, you are offended by those of us who are telling you 'what to think about Coulter'. You reserve the right, don't you, to come up with your own opinions. So, why do you reject the right of people to listen to her, and, using their own reason, come to their conclusions?

Then, someone pulled a fire alarm. And, the university administrators and the police felt that they couldn't deal with the situation. And, there were more people who wanted to hear Coulter than the hall could hold. THEY cancelled the event.

My own view is that Houle, the man who wrote the insulting letter to Coulter 'not to speak hatefully' was incensed that she leaked the letter to the press, where he was criticized, and got 'his own power' back, by ensuring that the event was cancelled.

Again, free speech puts the onus for deciding what is good and bad on the listener. They can either listen and critique, or ignore it, or listen and accept. But it's their job and their right. No Big Boss has the right to take that task away from you.

Oh - and the carpet and camel exchange? The young Muslim girls asked for such an exchange with her comment that she can't 'fly on a carpet'; getting a response of 'use a camel' was deserved.

IF she has instead asked a reasoned question of, 'Since you advocate rejecting Muslims on air flights, then, what do you think a non-terrorist Muslim should do when they need to travel by air"? ...possibly that would have generated a reasoned answer.

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 5:49 PM

john, check out eye witness accounts of the students -- or the one very big student protester -- that knocked over a table, trying to block the entrance.

The fact that protesters set off the fire alarm is violence in my books. There was no fire and they deliberately did this to create chaos and bring the fire department and the police to the scene.

These tactics are thug tactics, below the belt tactics, and have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with honouring others' human rights to freedom of expression.

The fact that these people and their toadies in the media consider this protest to have been "progressive" and a win, shows how completely out of touch they are about what true freedoms are all about. Along with any freedom comes responsibility and the understanding that they need to be extended not just to those with whom you agree but to those with whom you disagree.

Otherwise we're not talking freedom but favouritism and crony-ism.

Posted by: batb at March 24, 2010 5:49 PM

“On campus, we promise our students a safe and positive space,” she said. “And that’s not what (Coulter) brings.”

But Ahmadinejad does?
You apologists for shutting down free speech are not rational.


Posted by: chutzpahticular at March 24, 2010 5:52 PM

Osumashi,

So looking angry is a crime? Just because people are in a heated argument doesn't mean they've done anything wrong.

The bottom line is no was arrested, no one was hurt, there was no violence, and there was no threat.

Coulter and Levant pulled the plug on their own event, what a bunch of media whores.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Organizers+university+cancelled+Coulter/2721580/story.html

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 5:56 PM

Re: John at March 24, 2010 3:47 PM

"What do you suppose the chances are that Seamus Wolfe's twitter account is a phony created by a rightwing student to protest the OU student union's rejection of Coulter's posters?"

Approximately zero. If you can read, that tweet is over a year old.

Posted by: K Stricker at March 24, 2010 5:59 PM

No-One,

"Ok John - I will spell it out for you. She has no objection with Muslims flying on planes - what she has a problem with is terrorists flying on airplanes"

Riiiiiight. That's what all the fuss is about, because, you know, us liberals think terrorists should be allowed on planes. Where do you buy your crack? She said Muslims, (not terrorist Muslims) should use flying carpets, or camels.

And this isn't the only example of her bigotry. There are dozens of examples. She's a rat, and I guess, so is everyone who defends her.

Don't even know why I bother. She could be dressed like the Grand Dragon and you guys would still defend her and should out that liberals are with the t'rrists.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 6:02 PM

I wonder how impressed the children at the university are about all this?
Perhaps we should ask them.
After all, they must BE children is they have to be protected from any unapproved or, gasp, controversial thoughts that they might have been exposed to had Ann been allowed to speak.
Are their minds truly as weak and fragile as Houle and the rest of the self appointed wet nurses think?
They must be that weak minded, because after all Ann Coulter, according to her critics at least, is the very personification of racism and evil and her mere gaze would turn the kids into jackbooted Nazis.
There is no way the students could be expected to listen to her and weigh her arguments themselves and make their own minds up about whether she makes sense or not, right?
That would be far too much to ask of a 20 something, it's better to have them wait until they are 40 or 50 before they are allowed to think for themselves.

If I was a student there I'd be insulted by their nanny state attitude and obviously low opinion of my mental state and intellectual ability.

Perhaps Houle and his henchmen are simply projecting their own gullibility and inability to have a rational thought of their own onto the entire student population.

Posted by: Stan at March 24, 2010 6:13 PM

Dear John;

For the last time:

Islam isn't a race.

Islam is a belief system, masquerading as a religion to exploit our human rights "religious protections".

It currently manifests worldwide as a vile, repressive and supremacist political movement that degrades women and encourages violence against identifiable groups, including homosexuals, Jews, Christians, its critics, and other infidels in general.

Islam provides to the majority of women under its umbrella the status of cattle - in other words, a useful, but disposable commodity. This is expressed in the hideous garments they coerce and shame them into wearing.

Yet it seems that despite the above observable facts, a mere "camel" comment is capable of arousing you to a level of hatred that I don't generally permit here.

That means you are willfully misinformed, a self-hating leftist, or most probably - both.

Now, is that clear enough for you, John?

Posted by: Kate at March 24, 2010 6:16 PM

O.M.G. "Use a camel": oh horrors.

One thing we know about Islamists is that they have absolutely no sense of humour. That line, "use a camel" is really funny, given the context of the response (see ET above). In fact, much of what Ann Coulter says is very funny, if you have a sense of humour, meaning if you're not a rabid leftard.

Now, even a sense of humour is outlawed because of political correctness. That's sad.

'Pity party?

I don't think so. We feel genuinely aggrieved that thugs and partisan politics masquerading as "human rights" advocates have actually trampled all over human rights, all over freedom of expression.

As I said in an earlier post, the black hole of political correctness in Canada is growing larger and the accompanying coercive "progressivism" (you disagree with me? I'll get you and your little dog too, ah-hahahaha, ah-hahahaha) is advancing at an alarming pace.

I'm genuinely offended by what happened on the campus of the U. of zer0 last night -- but, hey, I'm a conservative so who the Hell cares? Certainly not the official freedom of expression/speech advocates at our universities -- places where one would particularly expect an openness to diverse opinions, rather than a pull-up-the-drawbridge-and-draw-and-quarter-the-opposition mentality and strong-arm tactics.

Melanie Philips has a new book out called "The World Turned Upside Down," the title of which seems to encapsulate what's happening in official Canada (http://www.melaniephillips.com/).

Maybe there should be a university course on the decline and fall of Western Civilization, alongside women's studies, conflict studies, and human rights studies which seem to be doing their damndest to make sure that Western Civilization is destroyed.

Kyrie Eleison.

Posted by: batb at March 24, 2010 6:32 PM

Kate,

It's funny that you're accusing me of hate, when I'm the guy calling somebody on their bigotry.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but in this country, freedom of religion is guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and freedoms.

This means that it's against the law to discriminate against individuals based on their religion. You might not like it. You might believe it's just a "belief system masquerading as a religion", but that's just your own rather hateful opinion. One that could easily be applied to Evangelical Christians, Catholics, Jews, or whoever.

As for the camel comment... what is it if not racist? How is this not like linking a Jew to money, or a Black person to fried chicken?

It was a stupid, hateful thing to say, especially in context of denying 1 billion people access to modern methods of travel.

Once again, no violence was documented. The police did not shut down the event, Coulter's own person made that call. And she looooves it. It's going to sell her some more books, because nothing gets conservatives all fired up more than feeling like they're being picked on.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 6:41 PM

Does "T" stand for tit or twat?

Posted by: Horny Toad at March 24, 2010 6:54 PM

Ann Coulter is a master of lazy racist comedy, quite simply she’s one of the best.

“take a camel.”= classic comedy.

They don’t make em like Ann anymore I tell ya, Ann Coulter is a throwback to generations past when casual ignorant racism flourished in society.

Without Ann around, how would we truly know how far we’ve come? This lady is doing us all a public service, she’s a walking monument to our bigot forefathers and criminally forgotten foresisters.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 6:55 PM

God, that black woman in the picture is the UGLIEST troll I have EVER seem.She's got a mouth (pun intended) that could swallow a whole watermelon. Of course I doubt she is a Canadian.

Posted by: Horny Toad at March 24, 2010 6:56 PM

"As for the camel comment... what is it if not racist"
Its impossible for that to be a racist comment. Muslims are NOT a race but rather a religion.

Posted by: Horny Toad at March 24, 2010 6:58 PM

Stan:
"There is no way the students could be expected to listen to her and weigh her arguments themselves and make their own minds up about whether she makes sense or not, right?
That would be far too much to ask of a 20 something"

Hey Stan- Don't lump us all in there together, some of us 20 somethings do have a few brain cells to rub together. I feel this is a mostly a pejorative Eastern Canada problem, as all my cousins out that way are indoctrinated up to their eyeballs and can't think a damn for themselves (NDP/Green Party Morons to be sure).

I really can wait till the Calgary response comes in, but I'd bet my ass it will look like a vastly different picture of Canada for Ms. Coulter.

Posted by: JustMe at March 24, 2010 7:08 PM

John, I consider texting messages to bring sticks and rocks violent, as well as overturning tables and threatening to hurt someone.
Is that clear enough?

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 24, 2010 7:09 PM

Ah yes let us all take our cues from "Horny Toad" on what is and isn't racist.

"God, that black woman in the picture is the UGLIEST troll I have EVER seem.She's got a mouth (pun intended) that could swallow a whole watermelon. Of course I doubt she is a Canadian." = Not racist.

"Take a camel" = not racist.

If only we were enlightened as you.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 7:12 PM

Omumashi,

Both the University and the Police in Ottawa have put out statements today saying the organizers(Levant) cancelled their own event. No one was arrested, no was assaulted no matter how many times you say so.

It's pretty rich to organize an event then cancel it yourself and claim you were muzzled.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 7:19 PM

So Kate,

About not allowing a certain level of hate on your website... what do you call this:

"God, that black woman in the picture is the UGLIEST troll I have EVER seem.She's got a mouth (pun intended) that could swallow a whole watermelon. Of course I doubt she is a Canadian."

You may now proceed to argue that Black people do love their watermelon, and that she does have a really big mouth.

Osumashi, show me the text msgs. And then show me reporting on the sticks and rocks people allegedly brought, but the police didn't notice.

Posted by: John at March 24, 2010 7:22 PM

Scott:
"University and the Police in Ottawa have put out statements today saying the organizers(Levant) cancelled their own event."

That doesn't exonerate the University staff member for the letter that was sent or the students actions in anyway. Just because nobody was shot and kill, doesn't make their protest of someone else's free speech any less offensive!

The environment that was created was clearly one that was not condusive to giving a speech, fire alarms and all that. Looking at the sheer rage on that black chicks face, I would be conserned for the crowd members, if I was Levant.

Last time I read the little sign over the fire alarm, it told me that it was punishable by law to pull the alarm without due cause...I wish some of the protesters had been fined for that at least!

Posted by: JustMe at March 24, 2010 7:29 PM

I guess he didn't get the memo.
http://www.whiteribbon.ca/

Posted by: Paulie at March 24, 2010 7:30 PM

Reminding someone that our laws are different is not a terrible indictment. For one thing the University Provost has no power to prosecute such a matter.

But that's besides the point, if you want to claim you were muzzled you can't cancel your own event. Levant and Coulter effectively self-censored themselves and then act as if there free speech was denied.

It's not that no one was shot or killed, it's that everyone was peaceful, no one was arrested, or assaulted. Yes the two people in that picture are having a heated argument, how scary, and one of them's black! run!!!

Whoever pulled the fire alarm is a loser, but at worst that's mischief. People pull the fire alarm all the time at University's, all the time, in residence, during exams. It's not unusual.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 7:41 PM

It seems to me that there are two issues going on here. One of them is obvious - the issue of free speech. The second thing is the double standard of Houle of the University of Ottawa and the University's Student Union.

If we were to look at this event in isolation - as the opponents of Coulter and the MSM would have us do - we would be constrained to treat this only as a free speech question. The debate would then centre around what is an acceptable line for free speech, has someone (Coulter) crossed said line, and what to do in the event of the crossing of said line?

However, if we were reasonable people, we would not let the MSM (or John or Scott) set the terms of the discussion. Undoubtedly, we would ask the free speech related questions but we would also ask one other question. How does Houle and the SU deal with other controversial speakers? As has been pointed out, the UofO has hosted the Iranian President and Israel Apatheid Week.

A reasonable person would probably conclude that the UofO is advancing the idea of free speech by hosting all three venues. A reasonable person might also conclude free speech was being valued if Coulter and the IAW were hosted and the Iranian President were banned because of his financial support of genocide against a people through known terrorist groups and also because of the effectiveness of these terrorist groups in carrying out his agenda of murder and genocide; free speech does have limits and reasonable people would not need this boundary explained to them. Perhaps a third (theoretical) possibility would be to set the free speech bar so low that all controversial speakers would not be hosted - a choice that would be viewed as austere for a university but possible if applied consistently.

Therefore any discussion of Coulter needs to placed within a framework of at least the other two events hosted at the UofO. Any discussion that is based upon a decoupling of Coulter from the other two must lead to the obvious question. Why would someone like commenters John or Scott consider Coulter to be more dangerous than someone who financially supports active terrorist groups who are trained and successful murderers?

Unfortunately, we know the reason.

Posted by: Brent Weston at March 24, 2010 7:43 PM

John

Are you for real???

I was there as an eyewitness. There were lots of muscle there. Scary muscle. Some were NOT U of Zero or Carleton students. They did not move when the police asked them politely. Some had backpacks which they did not take off even though that was a condition of entering the lobby. I did not see what was outside on the steps so I cannot comment in that regard.

The threat was real. My guess is that they would have shouted down Ann Coulter, and stomped their feet and the event would not have occurred in any case. The same treatment Daniel Pipes.

I am glad I did not send my daughter to this pathetic excuse of a university.

Posted by: Valencia at March 24, 2010 7:44 PM

Brent,

Where have I ever insinuated, that I thought Coulter was dangerous, or somehow more dangerous then Amadenijhad.?

Where have I ever suggested Coulter should not of been allowed to speak?

The only point I'm making is that I think it's ridiculous that Levant and Coulter would cancel their own event and then grandstand and claim they were muzzled.

That is what I object to.

Coulter is no more dangerous then any other bigot with a microphone.

It's best to let them speak freely lest they claim they've been victimized.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 7:58 PM

scott - who said that Levant and Coulter cancelled the event? This is as much false rumour as the original tale of '2,000 protesters'. According to people on site, there were only about 30 protesters; the rest were people who wanted to get into the hall. And the hall only held about one quarter of that.

To my understanding, after the fire alarm was pulled, campus security and Ottawa police told the organizers that they felt they could not guarantee security and the police were the ones who recommended cancellation. If police tell you that they are concerned and recommend cancellation, you normally do as they ask. Coulter herself had not even arrived on site. OK?

The emails and blogs to get protesters on site were apparently telling people to bring 'things to throw'.

Actually, scott, people don't pull fire alarms all the time, even during exams.

john - you are a rather typical 'leftist' not only in your perspective, which is one-sided and rejects debate, but in your mode of 'argumentation'. That is, you don't 'argue'; you don't make a case for yourself; all you do is repeat your opinions.

Who cares? They are your opinions. What is objectionable about your opinions is not their content..again, who cares..but the fact that you are firmly opposed to other people making up their own minds about issues. You have decided on Coulter. You then insist that other people have no right to listen to her and make up their own mind. Hmmm. Sounds pretty elitist and arrogant to me. Why are you so domineering?

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 8:17 PM

John, since when is it anybody's right not to be offended? I'm a Christian - I hear and read insults to my religion all the time. Sometimes they make me angry. Then I get over it. I know I don't have the right to silence those people, by violence if necessary.

Leftists think it's offensive when Christians threaten boycotts of Actor X or Company Z for offending them and boycotts aren't violent. They're just trying to put their money where their mouth is. When Christians boycott a product, the Left screams "It's the Inquisition!" When a leftist comedian makes a joke about Palin's handicapped son and conservatives complain, the left cries, "it's censorship!"

But when a Muslim gets hot under the burka because Ann Coulter made a camel joke, the lefties weep tears of sympathy for the poor little "oppressed" Muslim. The Muslim isn't told, "Oh, big deal, shrug it off like a big girl and develop a thicker skin like the rest of us adults." Oh, no, according to John, it's asking too much to expect that Muslims behave like civilized adults.
Who's the real racist here, John? Look in the mirror.

The left wants everyone to become post-racial, but they're the ones who can't leave race alone. (Even when, as numerous posters have pointed out, Islam is not a race, but a religion. I don't like blue-eyed "Taliban Johnny" Lindh anymore than I like bin Laden.) Just keep picking at that scab, you self-hating, brainwashed fool.

Posted by: Donna V. at March 24, 2010 8:20 PM

ET,

Both the UofA and the Ottawa Police are on record today saying they did not cancel the event, and that it was the organizers decision to do so.

If you cancel your own event you can't claim you were muzzled, that's not how censorship works.

Having been out of school for 5 years I can safely remember at least 5 occasions where people pulled the fire alarm falsely at university. Twice in first year res, once in second year res and twice during exams. Drunk students and those looking to avoid an exam are usually the culprits. It's common, hell I can remember it happening many times in middle and high school. It's not a violent act, it's mischief and a misdemeanor, not a crime. I don't condone it, but it's hardly unusual.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 8:40 PM

"She could be dressed like the Grand Dragon and you guys would still defend her and should out that liberals are with the t'rrists."

First John, you and Scott are likely the only Democrats here.

Second, do you even know any black people? Are you even remotely familiar with black culture? Black people celebrate their (soul) food, and fried chicken is definitely one of the favourites. Recognizing this is not racism you fool, it’s common sense.

If I sing/rap lyrics from one of my favourite songs "a crazy mother fcuker named Ice Cube, from a gang call Nigga's With Attitudes" does that make me a racist?

The bottom-line is, it's self-loathing crackers like you, in your righteous indignation, that feel compelled to what... protect the poor minorities from big old mean white people. It’s the same as crackers like yourself demanding that Muslim women have the right to vote veiled in Quebec(a year or two ago). The fact was, not a single Muslim woman complained, nor asked for such an accommodation. Once again it was useless self-loathing liberals with nothing better to do than claim to advocate for people who didn't ask to be advocated for in the first place!

BTW, NEWS FLASH: Asian people like rice!

Flame away John.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at March 24, 2010 8:58 PM

Meh, it's the U of O - hardly a school anyone takes seriously... their grads outside actual, real classes (you know, like engineering, science, accounting, etc) can only get jobs flipping burgers, becoming brain-dead government drones or PhDs pouring marxist BS into the next generation. Read some of the media accounts where they interview anti-Coulter twits: geniuses like feminazi studies, human rights studies, etc - future leeches on the productive segment of humanity.

All last night's events proved is that Canada is still a land of frightened twits unwilling to debate. Sucking at the teat of entitlement does that.

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering seeing one of the earlier comments talked about nuking Mecca, the first nuke to drop on Israel, no matter where it comes from, will cause Mecca to turn into a large, radioactive crater. With that pillar of Islam gone, the whole cult will collapse... see, it's built on animistic superstition, not the brother-sisterhood of humanity. The nuts like I'madinnerjacket may wish to annihilate the Jewish state - the Israelis will take the nutbar's religion away for ever in return.

Posted by: Tanker at March 24, 2010 9:00 PM

O means O.

UZero eats crow: cawcawcacwcwcwacaw …..

Note the scare quotes: ‘welcome’ by CBC leftists.

Get this from Liberal Rock, he of the Liberal Gun Registry and the Clinton tainted blood crime:

Rock: “the university is a “safe and democratic environment for the expression of views, and we will keep it that way.”

Did Rock speak ex cathedra? From the Marion Hill? Hall? Hell?

…-

“Coulter ‘welcome’ at University of Ottawa”

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/24/ottawa-ann-coulter-university.html

http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2010/03/24/coulter-vs-u-of-o-who-really-won/#comment-78327

Posted by: maz2 at March 24, 2010 9:01 PM

scott - of course the police didn't cancel the event; they didn't organize it and therefore had no authority to either set it up or cancel it. What they did was to tell the organizers that they, the police, could not provide security for the event and suggested that the organizers ought therefore to cancel it. OK?

You are trying to trivialize a false alarm by a false comparison with residence events. But those situations were completely different from an attempt in a large lecture hall to disrupt a scheduled event.

Posted by: ET at March 24, 2010 9:04 PM

Donna,

If there's one thing I think we can all agree on it's that people love dismissive stereotypical ethnic, religious and racial comedy. Especially those we are laughing at. The cruder and lazier the stereotype the better, am I right?

Muslims love camel jokes.

Jews love money jokes.

Ann Coulter is a shining example that to truly move forward as a society we need to regress to early twentieth century levels of casual bigotry in everyday life.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 9:06 PM

Horny Toad's comment @6:56 is disgusting.

ET - eloquent as usual, but you might as well be explaining String Theory to an ant (or me, for that matter). "Even people John doesn't like have the right to say stuff" is not a difficult concept to grasp, but evidently he is among the Unteachable.

Posted by: Black Mamba at March 24, 2010 9:09 PM

"Having been out of school for 5 years"

One thing is for certain, in 10 or 15 years you'll be embarrassed and ashamed of the nonsense you spew. Unless of course you have an Arts degree.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at March 24, 2010 9:10 PM

ET,

Please show me one quote where the Ottawa police are on the record saying they couldn't provide a safe environment. I"ve only seen them say they suggested the event be moved to a bigger venue to accommodate all the people. I've seen nothing to suggest they were worried about unruly mobs.

All I'm saying is that a false fire alarm at a university is no more a crime during an event then it is during an exam. It's mischief, it's a misdemeanor, it's stupid, but it's also not terribly unusual on campus.

Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 9:18 PM

What Donna said.

And oh to be a fly on the wall at the HRC when they have to deal with a hate crime complaint by a Christian conservative...

"Oh dear..I thought we were protecting people FROM those Christians...however will we deal with this one?"

Posted by: bluetech at March 24, 2010 9:21 PM

Indiana Homez,

Oh I know, I can't wait until I'm 40 so I can complete my conservative metamorphosis.

Who wouldn't want to rail at modern society and liberals day and night, those will be the days.

I only hope this Civil engineering degree can get me there sooner, the day can't come soon enough.

Conservative victim complex here I come!


Posted by: Scott at March 24, 2010 9:36 PM

bluetech: Well said, this is my imaginations creation-

HRC chairman "We've never had to weigh in on a complaint with out overtly supporting Muslim interest...what do we do so we can look unbiased?"

HRC reps *shrug & blink stupidly*

HRC chairman "Maybe the UN can help us decide"

HRC reps *nod in agreement (stupidly)*

Posted by: Justme at March 24, 2010 9:58 PM

What's wrong with camels?

The US and a predominately Islamic nation co-operated for years apparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pack_of_camel.jpg

Mind you. Camel's spit is just as vile as some of the lefty comments lately.

Posted by: Curious at March 24, 2010 10:47 PM

The Ann Coulter column on this is up. http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/index/writergroup/oh_canada/

Posted by: Warren Z at March 24, 2010 11:24 PM

Well, I guess it has given U. of O. a much higher international presence. Canada's university, indeed!

http://www.annualfund.uottawa.ca/home.html

... As a result and through the groundbreaking work of our community members, we are uniquely positioned among Canada’s research-intensive institutions to give students a remarkable education, to enrich the intellectual and cultural life of Canada and to help the country achieve greater international prominence....

Posted by: Bob01 at March 25, 2010 12:38 AM

From the National Post story, Wednesday.

"It's a public safety issue", said Sergeant Dan Beauchamp.

This is an enormous cop-out (no pun intended). The issue here is freedom of speech versus intimidation, not "public safety" (which gets added to the list of anti-concepts).

If the cops get to shut down any congregation of people for reasons of "public safety", then any gang of thugs (like the anti-Coulter protesters in Ottawa) can shut down anything they like. What if a gang shows up at a political debate during an election campaign? Is the debate cancelled? That would be a serious assault on democracy. Which leftists only pretend to favour anyway, of course.

Posted by: nv53 at March 25, 2010 1:06 AM

John: "in this country, freedom of religion is guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and freedoms ... This means that it's against the law to discriminate against individuals based on their religion"

That's not what it means. Freedom of religion means you can believe whatever you want and say so, worship in your church or synagogue or mosque or whatever, without interference from the state.

Tanker: "Meh, it's the U of O - hardly a school anyone takes seriously... their grads outside actual, real classes (you know, like engineering, science, accounting, etc) can only get jobs flipping burgers, becoming brain-dead government drones or PhDs pouring marxist BS into the next generation. Read some of the media accounts where they interview anti-Coulter twits: geniuses like feminazi studies, human rights studies, etc - future leeches on the productive segment of humanity."

That's the problem: the false philosophy of Marxism is being spread far and wide. It goes back to Plato but especially Kant and Hegel, who somehow were able to pass off fantasy about as coherent as L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics as serious thought.

Posted by: nv53 at March 25, 2010 2:18 AM

I think this says it all.

Three simple words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

Posted by: Curious at March 25, 2010 6:55 AM

Indiana:

Hey, I watch South Park with my two daughters often. (They're 13 and 16 now, but we've been doing it for years.) Our favourites are the Mormon show (dumb-dee-dumb-dumb-dumb), and the Scientology show. It's not like they don't hear the cursing on their school playgrounds, and the way Parker and Stone skewer everything is just hilarious.

I consider it a learning experience.

Posted by: KevinB at March 25, 2010 8:02 AM

Scott - this is in the National Post:

"Event organizers say police warned them anti-Coulter demonstrators were “dangerous” and that, as a result, they could not guarantee her safety."

OK? If the police tell the organizers of an event that they cannot guarantee the safety, not only of the speaker, but of the people who are there, this means that the organizers MUST cancel the event. Why?

Because if anything happens, even a minor scuffle, this means that the onus is on the organizers. The Police can say 'we told them we couldn't provide a secure environment and yet they insisted on going ahead with the talk'...


Posted by: ET at March 25, 2010 8:11 AM

bleetymouth - have you ever read one of Coulter's books? Some articles, maybe?

She's not Howard Stern, she's a lawyer who does a very impressive amount of research and uses facts to make arguments. I have never heard a half-way decent refutation of anything she's said or written; only sneering vitriol and name-calling.

Posted by: Black Mamba at March 25, 2010 9:04 AM

of course there was the time she told a canadian interviewer that canada sent troops to the vietnam war.

Posted by: Tinger at March 25, 2010 12:50 PM

ET,

That's not a direct quote from the Police, that's hearsay. The Ottawa Police are on the record saying they didn't shut down the event and their was no threat of violence. They only suggested it be moved to a bigger venue to accommodate everyone.

Posted by: Scott at March 25, 2010 2:18 PM

One problem with small dead animals is that it has a mindset - conservative. What if one changed its view in the future to be more center wing? If one already has a mind set then this won't happen - and that is dangerous - it becomes a conservative "religion".

If something is stupid in history, should we conserve it? What do we change? only the good things? For example if there was a tradition for muslims to wear turbans, is this a good tradition necessarily, or a stupid one that encourages worms? should it be conserved just for the sake of conserving?

The word "conservative" is vague and meaningless. Surely it doesn't apply to conserving the environment either. Does it mean conserving the old testament in the bible too?

Personally I am not a left or right wing nutcase, I see both sides as having advantages in different areas - I'm a bit more leaning to the right on many issues... I just wanted to bring up the problem with "conservative" word. I couldn't post this reply to the place I wanted because you had shut off the comments - so I'm posting it here in your "left" attack.

Posted by: Hypocrite at March 25, 2010 2:55 PM

Scott

Time will tell; and, I'm 35.

Remember: If you are 20 and you are not a socialist you have no heart. If you are 40 and you are a socialist you have no brain.- Churchhill

That said, I commend you for participating in rational and respect conversation on this and other threads. This isn't the typical behaviour of those that share your views.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at March 25, 2010 3:15 PM

Hypocrite, try reading a book.
Moving on....

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at March 25, 2010 3:45 PM

Indiana Homez,

Well I appreciate the words, but I cannot see my future self voting conservative. Maybe a modern libertarian party, but conservatives have little that appeals to me.

I can't speak for others on this site, but let me be the first to say not all "liberals/democrats/dumbocrats/loons" are as crazy as people may make them out to be.

It's good to know there are people on differing sides of the spectrum who can still debate the facts rationally.

Posted by: Scott at March 25, 2010 4:17 PM
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