I'd like to sentence this twit to a week, driving on the so-called Thunder Bay Expressway. Hey Rosie! **** *** and the Prius you rode in on.

Geez, Murdoch must have picked up on my suggestion from years ago, that whenever Quebec separates from Canada they should take Toronto along with them as well.
Shed two of Canada's socialist cesspools at one fell swoop.

Good on you Murdoch!

It's nice to see they're raising the pitchforks in the comments.

That's Rosie, putting the 'cess' in princess.

More like Toronto mental.

Don know what the "ity" has to do with it.

I love this line.

Again, I don't know what "Toronto mentality" means and more specifically when used in such a clearly pejorative context.

Myopia thy name is Rosie.

Syncro

DC as a role model? Spartans were fighters not gun control advocates.

See they closed the barn doors already (closed comments). The only redeeming value in this latte induced fluff column is that it is indeed an opinion column. Urban always has been a odds with rural which is funny because most urban centres started out as a transportation hub(agricultural products and raw materials one way, processed goods and food the other) or because of the better agricultural soil which now has multi-story condos blocking out the sun.

Toronto? That's "New Mumbai" to you! And the sooner
the better. The modern Anglos are a bunch of clowns.

So far, the best example of the Toronto mentality is girl who used to be a friend of mine. We both go to the same small university in a small town here in Nova Scotia.

She asked me, in all seriousness, why everyone in the Maritimes is so homophobic, xenophobic, stupid, hateful and racist. Also... we don't have enough ethnic restaurants for her liking. I told her that Irish, German, Scottish, English, Acadian, Dutch, Migmaw, and the descendants of slaves who ended up here are all different ethnic groups with "their own" restaurants and we all get along just dandy. But, as is, being white (or being black without an accent) just isn't interesting enough. Yet, she laughed in my face at one of the traditional Gaelic names my parents gave to my brother -- I'm still bewildered as to why "Angus" is so completely hilarious to her that she would laugh in my face and ask me if I was joking. Especially bewildering, because if I had laughed at the Indian name of her sister's fiance I would have been one of those racist Maritimer stereotypes.

She's not parochial. She can't be. She's from Toronto.

Texas Canuck

My Dad related this story of his one and only trip to the Big Smoke.

They went by train to The Toronto Royal Winter Fair in the early fifties to show their team of draught horses.

Dad, being the gofer in the group, was sent to the store to stock up on groceries once they arrived.

The proprietor, upon noticing the Saskatchewan button pinned to his cowboy hat commented, "Saskitcha...Saskatchew...Saskitchy....where to hell is that boy?

While dad was young he was/is a large man. The proprietor got an unexpected back hand and dad got sh!t for not bringing back the groceries.

Seems some things never change.

Syncro

Is Rosie Dimanno a massive idiot? QED

Well safety forced, there really isn't enough variety in restaurants here in Nova Scotia. That might be due to the lack of patrons to keep all those restaurants going. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the smaller the population the less variety in about everything there is. Personally, I've had to put up with a lack of Tex-Mex food available but then again the seafood here is world class.

Your ex-friend has a lot of learning and growing up to do. There are actually places in the world that she can't get Starbucks either. Tough, eh.

Thanks Rosie! you just proved Murdoch's point!!

BTW wasn't this part of Randy Hillier's mandate a few years back?

I live in Toronto. I grew up in Toronto.

I know exactly what's meant by a Toronto mentality because, unlike Rosie, I've been away for awhile. Having lived in other countries and other parts of Canada and Ontario, the "Toronto mentality" is this:

Toronto's special.
Toronto's the centre of the universe.
Toronto's multicultural and with it.
Torontonians are cool.
Torontonians are cooler than anyone else.

What Torontonians seem not to get is that:

Toronto's a mess.
Toronto's probably the worst run city in Canada.
Toronto's falling apart.
Toronto's multiculturalism is just another name for being highly and dangerously dysfunctional.

Rosie DiManno's a typical Toronto troglodyte.

she states in article

"duly elected so presumbly not a complete whackjob, although we are taling Tories here"

She obviously has never listened to some of the Elitist from the Liberal/NDP parties or noted some of the comments from the leader of the Green Party.
But what gets me is Because i live outside Toronto & That Grey/Bruce is somewhere North of Toronto(where i live) that iam a Hick! Whats a Hick? Iam assuming Much like she does that iam also a Redneck and that iam presumed to be Guilty by association because iam a Conservative.
Our MPP does rebute her & Warren Kinsella in today's Owen Sound Suntimes.
One more thing the Torontoites dont have a problem finding Sauble Beach(2hrs from Toronto)up here in the sticks.

Sorry Hit the Dammm Post again before proof read

That should have said "Although we are talking Tories here"

If Sauble Beach is two hours from Toronto, then a speed trap around Mount Forest sounds like a good idea.

Otherwise, a rat trap should do the trick.

You may think the phrase "Toronto in my rear view mirror" was a joke. It wasn't for me when I left and I still have fond memories of that view.
To live out west were folks have an open mind and a work ethic has been wonderful.

Yeah, there's a Toronto mentality which annoyed me when I lived there. There's also a smug, small-town attitude in most places across this country, which I found stifling. Take your pick.
And melwilde? So I didn't have a work ethic when I lived in Toronto, but I did when I lived in Sask?

Peter: you can guarantee Up here their are more then speed & rat traps set up, come the May 24 weekend.

Another thing that irks someone from up here in the Boonies, You know Hickland. Is the NEC that would be the Niagra Escarpment Commission. Did you know that they can actualy tell you the color your siding or paint will be if you are building on the escarpment, And they can dictate to a farmer up here what the color of his Barn will be if he decides to paint it. Now the thing is the Bruce Penninsula is the Niagra Escarpment & parts of Owen Sound skirt this. So a burocratic pompass idiot situated in Downtown Toronto tells us what we can do, This is another very big sore point with our MPP Bill Murdoch or as we call him up here in the sticks Wild Bill.

"I live in Toronto. I grew up in Toronto."

But,BATB, you seem so normal,so human! I'm shocked! ;-)

I've been advocating Toronto as a city-state for years,but then I'm a hick,too.

Good grief, who could get past the third paragraph of such poor prose.

I was having dinner with a couple of lawyers in Montreal. As I have lived in Calgary, Vancouver and toront and was visiting Montreal, they asked which city I liked best. Well, each has strengths and weaknesses according to taste, I replied, quite honestly. But one thing I could say about Toronto, it reportedly has the highest percentage of adults who floss. The Montrealers laughed and laughed at that. QED.

Having grown up in both, Taronna and Mon-treal, I'll take the latter first, any time. Montrealers put the "fun" into life that explains why so many Torontonians are flossers! Starts with an A..... and is typical of Brit extraction.

Thanks Murray, for the laugh!

Rosie Dimanno is an elitist cow. Enough said.
When I lived in Halifax (rainiest place on earth), I never found a lack of pubs. I don't know if that helps or anything....

The Toronto Star is printed in Hicksville, aka Vaughan, which is north of Toronto and come to think of it bills itself as "the city above Toronto."

Mount Forest is thankfully too far west for a speed trap. I go through Shelburne (after first chowing down at Super Burger or Champ Burger in Primrose) on my way to Sauble.

"What is a Toronto mentality?"

It couldn't be anything to do with willful ignorance could it?

What am I saying, of course not, it's just cutting someone off and flipping them the bird at the same time.

a Little off topic We are going to see the Jersey Boys in may at the Toronto Centre for Arts? I dunno wife got tickets, so i hope they dont mind a Hick getting some Culture,
And Miss Matt: thanks for tip if we have time We are stopping at superburger. Gawd!! i forgot about those They are greaaat.
And talking to one of my distributors in Ajax today he just loves to dig at me, Still got Snow up there? Do i need snow tires if i come up in june?

Listen to BryanR, he knows what of he speaks. Having lived in The Sound and existed in Tranna during my lifetime, he is spot on.
Thankfully we are now living in Hicksville (Sarnia Ontario) and will never, ever visit Tranna
again, unless it's a matter of life and death.
And that life and death situation may give us cause to contemplate before going..

Syncro @ 2:52 pm, thanks for that story. Kinda makes me proud of my stubble jumping roots. LOL!!

Texas Canuck

Don't you worry, she and all the other kids from Toronto made quite a fuss over the fact that the only Starbucks in town is a single small location at the campus Students' Union Building!

Kids these days, eh? Wait, I'm one of those kids...

Normally I like Rosie (on the rare occasions that I read the Tsar}.

I would propose expelling Toronto from the entire country.

What's the downside. They believe they are superior to us, yet we pay for their lifestyle.

Then QC will politely separate, folowed by Alberta.

And, we'll all be better off. The world will be better off without a smug, sanctimonious Canada

I live in Toronto, and there IS a Toronto mentality and an unconstructive one cocooned from reality.

First, there are an enormous percentage of people here who are employed by the government; this includes the massive, bloated Ontario government, its health care system, its transportation bureaucracy, and etc. Then, there is the municipal system, equally bloated and self-serving.
Then, there are the educational institutions, colleges and universities as well as the public and private school systems.
The major and multiple hospitals.

What you have is a population, with a majority percentage, living off the taxpayer. These public employees form an elite among the 'working people' in a society. Their wages are usually 10% and more higher than the private sector; have benefits and pensions totally out of reach of the private sector.

They are essentially hired-for-life; the parasitic unions prevent any accountability or firing and indeed, set up agendas of hiring more and more people to do less and less.

That's one set of the population in Toronto, living off the public. There's another set, the multinationals, the immigrants, who are funded by the public to 'be multicultural', to 'be different', to 'retain their old ways'.

Right there, you have the majority of the population in Toronto living off the federal, provincial and municipal taxes. Such employment is always unaccountable - and you can see that in the indifferent sloppy services in almost all public service areas. Whether it is road repairs, carried out by two workers and five paid to watch those workers, or the outdated service-less transit system, or the bureaucratic morass of government - staffed by phone lines that simply send you to another phone....this is the norm.

This cocooned lifestyle sets up the LLL mentality, which is Liberal, Lexus, Latte, a mental state that is 19th landowner elitist, that sneers at trade, at capitalist enterprises (only for the unwashed others), at private business.

This mindset sneers at science, objective reality and empirical proof; it's all about cultural relativism and 'diversity'. BUT, BUT - it's also not-in-my-backyard; this mentality celebrates all kinds of diversity, as long as these 'quaint ways' stay in their own area of town.

The problem with Toronto and this mentality is that, population wise, it thus acquires an enormous political power. It has the most legislative seats in the province. But, since reality never enters the cocooned mind set of the public servant happily employed in Toronto, then, their vote will go to the NPD or Liberals, both of which are elitist in mindset, both of which support massive bureaucracies, and both of which are against private enterprise and freedom of the individual.

She sez 'hick' like it's a bad thing. I'm a hick and damn proud of it. I like hicks. You can fish with them, drink with them, cut firewood with them, hunt with them and most importantly, trust them. You ever try any of that with a so-called Tarranna 'Elite' and they'd faint. Or soil themselves.
Hicks built this country. I doubt there were too many so-called "Elites" trapping fur or clearing land to farm, or building anything or fishing. They were too busy being "Elites" back in Europe, until it was comfortable enough in Canada to come on over and tell us 'hicks' how to live.
So 'hick' this Rosie. Tarranna is a mess and you live in it, proudly.
Now I'm gonna go outside, crack a beer and enjoy some of that 'hick' fresh air and sunlight.

Louise

The odd thing is that when my parents developed enough disposable income to travel they studiously avoided Toronto.

As I do.

Syncro

safety forced, I have a buddy whose leftard girl friend said the very thing! She thinks there is something wrong with east coast as there are no coloured people.
Just idiots.

I go through Shelburne (after first chowing down at Super Burger or Champ Burger in Primrose) on my way to Sauble.

Well, Matt,you are close enough to Toronto to act like one.

Shelburne...the wind turbine capital of Ontario. Coming soon to every village near and far.

And they wonder why the "rurals" are so upset with TO. If you elect Smitherman, you deserve him.

It's like the sound of cork being pulled from a bottle.

cassus caput capitis peto nidor................

fragro suus ulterius.

In a simlilar veign ....
Margarette Wente demonstrates her deep understanding of her own sex.

In a simlilar veign ....
Margaret Wente ... demonstrates her deep understanding of her own audience at the glob-n-wail

Question: What is a Toronto Mentalality?

Answer: To make a pig of oneself. Thus the name Hogtown.

Example: Years back the "Toronto" cousins came to the farm for a visit. I introduced them to little green apples. They loved them! and ate and ate and ate some more.
That night they ...well...everybody here knows what they spent the night doing.

What is a Toronto mentality ? It would seem that loving the smell of you're own farts is a prerequisite...

Maybe it's time for those outside the 905, and more specifically Alberta, to ask the question, "who owns Barter Town"?

jlc @ 5:00,I suggested in the comments to the article that it might be better if Toronto actually separated from Canada. Hopefully they will consider it.

GTA is universally despised across this nation, and there's good reason.

As for "Toronto mentality" which has destroyed many a nation state.

Toronto - city state - sounds good, all they can destroy is themselves.

Tranna is a magnanimous place for any and all cultures, very accepting, as it were. On the up&up etc.,,until you're found out as non-statusquo, MyGod!..or worse NonUnion!!

Compared to the rest of the moonbat tribe (think Travers, Zerbisias)over at Redstar, Rosie is almost normal. Perhaps she failed one of her marxism courses at Ryerson?

Seems the Red Star has never heard of Ottawa, Kingston, Hamilton, K-W, London or Windsor, and anyway is too proud to admit its relationship to the largest rural hicktown in the province.

I wid I was smart rnough to understad.

Classy broad, eh?

Maybe Ontarians should contact McGuinty's office and ask whether the Liberal government of Ontario agrees with the Liberals' house organ, the Toronto Star, that Northerners and anyone outside the GTA are cousin-f*cking hicks?

I believe the pejorative "cousin-f*cking" is implied as words like hayseed and rube that do not carry that implication were not used instead. The fact that hick was used in the column's title also indicates this view is shared by the paper.

Rural conservative welfare bums biting the hand
that feeds them...what else is new?

Totally, ET. That's the thing about the Toronto mentality: 'Never pay your own way, get the hard-working schmucks to cover your cigs, booze, rent, leisure-time activities.

'Never mind that you can't get blood from a stone. The stone's drying up, so who's going to pay for all of this TO largesse to the government toadies and the mutlti-culti, let's-bring-the-whole-family-to-Canada welfare bums?

As Margaret Thatcher so succinctly put it, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

"What is a Toronto mentality?"

Well Rosie, if there is such a thing as a Toronto mentality, and if it's anything like Rosie's, I'd say a Toronto mentality is dull, predictable,lacking in originality, and devoid of talent.

Not to put too fine a point on it but Dimanno's column was just vacuous drivel.

I can only assume that Sleep Country pulled its ad that day and the editor had to quickly find some other way to fill the space.

And here's some food for thought: if Kate didn't post such links, I'd never read anything from the Toronto Star.

The "Torstar" should be paying SDA.

So, when is Rick Mercer going to do a show on how "smart" those Torontonians are?

The irony of this is that Rosie questions what is a toronto mentality and then by writing the column, perfectly demonstrates the Toronto mentality in action.

Ps- I think she is completely wrong in stating that "In fact, bet there aren't half as many guns in Bruce County as there are in Scarborough. Just saying."

I suspect it is very much the opposite.

I lived in Toronto for 25 years, and moved away about 10 years ago. I used to believe it was the centre of the universe. Now I shudder, and feel like an incredible idiot, when I think back to those days. I can't stand going to Toronto anymore. The traffic is insane. The pollution murders my allergies. The people are insufferable. The 'multiculturalism' makes me feel like a foreigner in my own country. It takes forever to get anywhere at any time of day. The infrastructure is falling apart. Housing prices are through the roof. My friends there are all miserable and exhausted, but don't realize it. And everyone puts down my new home (Ottawa), except when they come to visit, and comment on how sane, laid back and healthy the atmosphere here is. Go your own way, Toronto.

I lived in Toronto for 25 years, and moved away about 10 years ago. I used to believe it was the centre of the universe. Now I shudder, and feel like an incredible idiot, when I think back to those days. I can't stand going to Toronto anymore. The traffic is insane. The pollution murders my allergies. The people are insufferable. The 'multiculturalism' makes me feel like a foreigner in my own country. It takes forever to get anywhere at any time of day. The infrastructure is falling apart. Housing prices are through the roof. My friends there are all miserable and exhausted, but don't realize it. And everyone puts down my new home (Ottawa), except when they come to visit, and comment on how sane, laid back and healthy the atmosphere here is. Go your own way, Toronto.

I haven't been to Toronto since summer of '95. All I remember is the smell of garbage. A memory I will cherish as emblematic of a world class city.

"In fact, bet there aren't half as many guns in Bruce County as there are in Scarborough. Just saying."

Well she may be right. There are definitely more illegal handguns in Scarborough than Bruce, or possibly anywhere else in Canada.

That is the Toronto definition of urban multiculturalism.

Stopping for a layover before going on to Frankfurt,a flight attendant asked me what I was going to do during my 24 hour respite in the big stink.After having replied that that I would be taking full advantage of the amazing beds at the hotel,she said that I had to attend the gay pride parade,it's like the biggest pride parade evah!After I told her that I would rather watch paint dry than witness leather clad men groping each other,she informed me that I was just scared.Her assumptions in a nutshell,if you are repulsed by demonstrative same sex affection,then you are a homophobic red necked bigot,only in Trawna.

Build a wall around it, Mississauga to Ajax. See how long it takes before the Rosies of the world are crawling over the top looking for tax money to pay off their ever spiraling appetite for more handouts.

I figure three days, about the length of time it would take for them to wake up to the fact that nobody from Oakville out came into work.

"Bruce Country Federation of Agriculture"? Come on Rosie, is the spell checker not working today?
One thing "rubes" in Bruce county do not share with Toronto urbans, is the tortured angst that the hometown may not be world class enough. Anyone who worries about "world class", by definition isn't.

Toronto is world class Martin. Its every bit as annoying, expensive, dangerous and f-ed up as any other big Western city in the world.

AS someone downwind of the nation's largest civic mess, I can say without any doubt that Rosie is typical of Torontonian thought in the chattering classes.

The sad reality is, no one in Toronto will grasp that their way of life is predicated taking taxes from the rest of the Province. People, we are in trouble because the only "right" of center candidate wants to have TOLLS to enter the City (Sarah Thompson)

I agree with the above thought of walling the dump off and waiting til they figure out we on the outskirts and in the hicktowns of the real Ontario are tired of paying for the likes of David Miller and his socialist paradise.

How EMBARASSING is the attitude of that city, and I think SDA for reminding me just how empty headed and stupid Rosie is....