March 11, 2010

Do You Toss a Drowning Man a Lifejacket

... or a rock?

The central thesis of George’s Grand Remonstrance, however, is that the battle to persuade the world of the reality of global warming is lost. “No level of evidence can shake the growing belief that climate science is a giant conspiracy codded up by boffins and governments to tax and control us.” By George, he’s got it! Reality has dawned. The penny has dropped. The world knows AGW is a crock and nothing is going to change that reality. And the problem all along, George, was the very “evidence” to which you refer. The wider distrust of scientists was provoked by the thousands of white-coated whores who trousered the IPCC’s cash, chased the grants and plaudits, and clamped their gobs firmly around the UN and EU teats.

... read about Poor George.

By the way George, it is garbage like THIS that makes us tend toward rocks.

Posted by Cjunk at March 11, 2010 12:14 PM

Why waste even a rock?

These crooks are going down on their own, slinking and sliding down the slippery slope they created.

They always were and now realize they have been their own worst enemies, drinking deeply at the AGW the Kool-Aide fountain, a fountain refreshed with new and greater scientific frauds and environmental fear mongering claims.

The end game is in sight, but these fools will not easily or quickly abandon their secular religious faith in which they have invested so much spiritual energy, energy that should have gone into looking into how the science they obligated themselves to was very thin gruel and blind alley thinking in spades.

Save the rocks from getting wet . . . these idiots will just drift away like flotsam, only to be replaced by the next great environmental scare.

So what will they dream up next?

I'm thinking they will try and relate the removal of oil, gas and minerals via mining and drilling is causing massive instability in the Earth's crust and causing earthquakes.

Ya heard it here first :)

Posted by: Fred at March 11, 2010 12:39 PM

A rock would lead to criminal charges. Just watching is legal as long as you report it...soon.

Posted by: Speedy at March 11, 2010 12:40 PM

And the MSM circles the wagons... (where the hell did this 'Legacy news' handle come from anyway?)

Posted by: DaninVan at March 11, 2010 12:41 PM

Fred - pumping out oil will cause the earth's main bearings to seize. That's it !

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at March 11, 2010 12:48 PM

Ooops...didn't see the post following; great minds, etc.. Ignore my comment above.

Posted by: DaninVan at March 11, 2010 12:48 PM

no, no, no.. if you throw too many rocks in the ocean and you'll flood the Maldives!

Posted by: ChrisinMB at March 11, 2010 12:51 PM

Well, it's not quite over yet. The main players have not yet turned on each other. You'll know the end is near once they start pointing fingers at the scientists. Pachauri, the IPCC head, is currently being cast as the only scapegoat but the blame and shame will need to be shared by many more. The politicians and "journalists" will try their hardest to make sure none of the mess sticks to themselves. Perhaps a "we were tricked" angle followed by suitable outrage and demands for a complete investigation. There is the possibility of a quiet ending - journalists simply no longer reporting about AGW and politicians dropping legislation- but I suspect that the issue has become too big for a graceful retreat.

The NGO's and other insidious figure, OTOH, will never stop. There is too much money and power involved for them to ever stop pushing for this bogus environmental cause. Being so close to wrecking capitalism and consumerism and replacing it with international regulations will cause more than just Monbiot to become depressed and angry.

Posted by: LC Bennett at March 11, 2010 1:09 PM

Luv this post. The information about the datasets is stunning. It's unbelievable, the poor quality control of the datasets. It's unbelievable that the raw data has possibly been misplaced or deleted. Unbelievable.

Posted by: sf at March 11, 2010 1:24 PM

Exactly, sf. The data is the key to destroying the science. As most skeptics realize, the reason that scientists were trying so hard to suppress a full release of the data is because they know how bad it is.

These e-mails will hopefully destroy the 3 independent datasets argument that the AGWers have thrown about since Climategate. They insist that the UEA CRU data was just one of three and that all three showed the same warming trend. Therefore, the loss of the CRU data due to bad data keeping and/or manipulation was unimportant. But if all three are relying on and using the same bad data then all science based on that data falls apart at the same time.

Posted by: LC Bennett at March 11, 2010 1:43 PM

I believe the AGW scam will go down in history as a major turning point for mankind. And not just because of the fraud factor.

For centuries now, the MSM has been guilty of hyping the "news" for financial gain. But invariably, when the real, more reasonable truth emerged, the MSM simply ignored it and moved on to their next 'story line'.

The media would simply claim that no one came forward with the truth and so they could claim ignorance.

But this time will be different. There is a decade of time-stamped information on thousands of blogs worldwide. Scientific information from people who got it right a long time ago.

The Anthony Watts and the Steven McIntyres and the Timothy Balls and the Lord Moncktons and the Patrick Moores of the world have been vindicated. (A handful of journalists also - Lorrie Goldstein, Terrance Corcoran, Lawrence Solomon, Peter Foster, to name a few)

But the media ignored them. Even worse, editors and reporters would openly call them derogatory names such as 'deniers/skeptics and allow, encourage even, the Gores and Suzukis and Hansens of the world to flood the "news" with climate alarmism.

In the Internet age the MSM cannot claim they were unaware of other views. Emails are showing up that clearly demonstrated reporters and editors sat on scam busting information.

Guilty by omission, IMO.

George Monbiot may be weeping that his life's work is in ruins. Well tough, next time don't try and pull the wool over your readers eyes. A far bigger issue here is all the pain, wasted money and angst, especially for children, your BS caused. Consider yourself lucky if you do not loose your freedom also.

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at March 11, 2010 2:00 PM


It will only go down as a turning point for humanity if we track political science back to its origins ... and origins is a clue.

Posted by: set you free at March 11, 2010 2:30 PM

ron: "I believe the AGW scam will go down in history as a major turning point for mankind"

While I agree that this scandal likely exceeds any scientific scandal in history, at the same time I don't see it as a turning point. Every generation has its crazy events, fads and beliefs, whether it's the population bomb theory and the cults of the 70s, the anti-semitism in the 20s and 30s, the fascism in the 30s and 40s, the expansion of communism from the early 1900s to 1989, the racism throughout history, the world wars, the crusades, the flat earthers, and you can look at societies that used to sacrifice people to appease the gods. The list goes on.

Mass hysteria, mass lunacy, that is a feature of mankind. You will always have majorities of the earth's human beings believing in things with absolute certainty, things that are completely false and wrong. You don't know what the next one will be until you're living in it, and then there is nothing you can do about it until somehow it is ended. Human beings behave this way, they always have and they always will. There is nothing you can do to avoid it, because it can affect anyone - some of the smartest people around have been shown to be just as susceptible to these beliefs as others.

Maybe I'm a cynic but that's the way I see it.

Posted by: sf at March 11, 2010 2:34 PM

I guess I'm a pessimist. I would be delighted if a few more nails would suffice to close the coffin of AGW but I don't think the corpse is dead. It will return under another guise. In the corporate world, there are no "sides". They are positioning themselves to benefit no matter which way the issue turns. The only ones who stand to lose are the consumers--middle-class folks who are simply trying to make a dollar before the government swipes it to reward someone for being ineffectual. When I read the message boards at CBC, I want to weep. They're still going on about the emails and how really really unkind it was to hack them like that. They haven't followed the story at all--they let CBC tell them what to think. So when CBC comes up with a lame story (Handler, the Idea Man) they're all over it with praise. They're prostrating themselves before the god of Carbon Tax, willing to pay and pay, in order to 'secure the planet' for generations yet unborn. They don't care about deforestation, or our waterways used as sewers, or noxious chemicals spewing into the air. It's all about carbon. Nor do they care about impoverishing themselves and their kids--giving everything away to UN leeches. I despair.

But occasionally an article such as this one comes up and it warms me--just a bit. Not too much. Not enough to make a significant blip on a graph--but surely worth a grant or two to examine the issue of heart warming from intelligent commentary.

Posted by: rita at March 11, 2010 3:01 PM

Lifejacket or rock would make no difference.

The problem is not that they are drowning.

Rather have injested a rather large dose of hemlock, in the mistaken thought that it would cure scientific corruption.

The disease is known as "moral lethargy".

The cure is "sackcloth and ashes" and a healthy dose of repentence. The prescription doesn't get you as much grant money however...


Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at March 11, 2010 3:08 PM

Never before in my life have I hated
a group of scientists. But these climate change
frauds outrage me. There is in science a duty of
full disclosure. It is not so important what
some of them did with the data, as that they didn't
disclose what they had done, and they hid or
(worse!) destroyed the raw data. There is in science
a duty of skepticism. It is a duty to probe
statements from other scientists, to see why the
statements might be correct, and why they might
be wrong, and to propose tests of the statements
in either case. For these charlatans to say that
people doing no more than due diligence are criminals
and should be imprisoned, as they did say, is
beyond outrageous.

I do hope that some of them make the amende
honorable, but since they are dishonorable I
don't expect it. Firearms are illegal anyway,
in Britain (though certainly not in Pennsylvania).

Posted by: John Lewis at March 11, 2010 3:12 PM

Have hope. And faith.

I had a neighbor who lived a mile from the Berlin Wall. He came to Canada in 1974. When the wall fell without a whimper in 1989 he was flabbergasted.

Many times, in his broken german, he would say to me;

"Ronald, Ronald, I would have never predicted that. I thought they would over run Western Europe also. The people were so brain washed by Pravda and Tass I thought it was hopeless. I did not realize so many people actually did not buy the media propaganda. They were just keeping their heads down. Propaganda is so damn powerful"

He often said "Things are not always as they appear".

Especially true when reading the paper/watching TV.

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at March 11, 2010 3:41 PM

I'm hopeful that Ron is right. Although we can never completely rid ourselves of fads and mania, the Internet allows for them to be more quickly analyzed, disproved and then communicate this info to others. History is full of turning points and improved communication has been essential to many - the Roman roadways, the printing press, the telephone. I have no doubt that the Internet is also one of those key technological breakthroughs. The biggest threat is that the next push will be to neutralize the 'net through regulation and a fees.

Posted by: LC Bennett at March 11, 2010 3:44 PM

It's going to be a replay of the population bomb, folks. I'm already seeing magazines with overpopulation covers in the "Learned Tome" section at Barnes and Noble.

Posted by: glenn at March 11, 2010 4:38 PM

The SS Climate Change is taking on water fast.

And the crew knows it.

Posted by: JJM at March 11, 2010 4:50 PM

Lizzie May still hasn't given up.

Article in National Post.

Posted by: set you free at March 11, 2010 5:00 PM

My question is: did they think their data was inferior because it was giving a result that they didn't want or because it was just less - on the face of it - accurate? I suspect it was the latter which is very damning indeed.

Posted by: Gord Tulk at March 11, 2010 7:03 PM

As we've all suspected, it was a case of garbage in, scented garbage out for the research data.
I don't recommend either the lifejacket or rock, but a good old fashioned high carbon content tar and feathering.
As those scoundrels behind this scam tried to feather their beds with out money with their carbon credits cap and raid.

Posted by: Al the frozen fish in Manitoba at March 11, 2010 7:48 PM

this and Obama about to cross over to the negative as well. less than two years of progressive lieberal lies and the world wakes up.

Posted by: cal2 at March 11, 2010 8:46 PM

Earth-flakes predicting earthquakes you say Fred, but the science is settled isn't it, Sucks to be stupid Monbiot.

Posted by: bartinsky at March 11, 2010 9:23 PM

I wish we could get those regular light bulbs back.

Posted by: LindaL at March 11, 2010 9:32 PM

Why should I give a crap if someone who is my enemy drowns?

I'll go get a coffee and come back in while to see how it turned out.

Posted by: OMMAG at March 11, 2010 11:13 PM


Was that Lizzie "Moonbat" May in the Post? I looked for some attribution that she was leader of the Greens, and it didn't say that. Also, the article said she worked for the Mulroney Conservatives. I thought Lizzie was still in the US 25 years ago, but I stand to be corrected on both.

John Lewis:

I understand your outrage. I can't remember if I read it here, or at WUTW, but these "scientists" also recently disposed of the approximately 350 year old Prague record, which unlike much of the CRU/GISS sets, was actually made from direct measurements taken at the time, instead of estimating it from tree rings and ice cores. Any scientist who willfully destroys data smacks, to me, of a criminal destroying the evidence.

Finally, LC:

I don't know if you ever read Macluhan's Understanding Media, but he was the first, as far as I know, to understand how each new technology was, in his term, "an extension of man". The wheel is an extension of the foot, the phone an extension of the ear, the TV an extension of the eye, etc. If you think of each of those extensions as spokes of a wheel, whenever a new extension comes along, the wheel doesn't run smoothly for a while - something gets affected. The book is a great read - you take in a couple of pages, and then you have to sit and think for an hour, because you're trying to figure out the implications of what he said. Well worth the time!

Posted by: KevinB at March 11, 2010 11:50 PM

Two days before the Climategate hoax was exposed (here at sda), ron in kelowna declared that it was a hoax, here on sda - back when nobody wanted to be a 'denier', ron in kelowna called a pig with lipstick, a pig. Your post above - equally as impressive , ron in kelowna, - and I do agree with you (again). People know that these practitioner 'scientists' are attempting to cover their poop (like Puffins) but it stinks to high Heaven!! People can smell the poop and they are not going to support some diarrhea ridden losers. People like to identify with winners; some people, like Kate and her posters and commentators, insist on truth based on proven facts.

Two wins for the good guys, a cow pie in the eye for the 'stinkers'.

Posted by: Jema54 at March 12, 2010 1:24 AM

The new phone book arrived this week.
A whole new 'greenie' & 'eco' section. Right at the front with all the preachy 'tips' about proper eco behaviour and to use these pages to become a 'good eco citizen' and bla bla bla ...

Great thing is that the whole green section rips right out nice and easy, and for us, it was used to start the wood fire that we heat our home with. Thanks Bell Punjab!

Posted by: ldd at March 12, 2010 1:55 AM

GW is a diversion. Keeps us lemmings running around
in circles.

Did you ever stop to think that we self-important peons can do nothing about GW even if it were real?

Can you do something big like cause solar flares? Can you get another blast of ash out of Mt. Saint Helens?

Pollution is the problem they divert you from. Industry would have to spend big money to clear the smog from our cities.

Detroit and Big Oil are having a fit worrying about how soon we may catch on. Ever wonder why the Electric car...[Not hybrid..Hybrid is dead in your driveway during a gas boycott.] seems to never reach a dealership?

Did you know smog kills more than twice as many as auto accidents do?

Smog induced lung conditions costs our medical system Million$ and ruins many lives.

Pollution is something you can complain to your MP about. GW is a total waste of valuable time.

This link gives you email addresses for more than 300 MPs.

Ask why big rigs here spew clouds of black
carcinogenic poisons while in Europe they do not.

Or whatever else is killing you and your dog. .... Antifreeze??

Its non-lethal in other countries... ye

Posted by: TG at March 12, 2010 2:32 AM

If you live in Prince George. Formeldehyde sp is something your government didn't want you to know about..

You don't suppose election funding comes fro..

Posted by: TG at March 12, 2010 2:38 AM

Gord Years ago I saw the graphs the IPCC was putting in the report. One of the graphs was for CO2 vs tree ring growth. The graph showed an increase of CO2 adsorption and storage. That graph was banished as an outlier with no explanation why. That proved to me it was a farce. That and replacing the older scientists with a new set of GP'ers that had never published in the field. Predetermined science..not so good.

Posted by: Speedy at March 12, 2010 10:06 AM

Ok absorbtion.

Posted by: Speedy at March 12, 2010 10:07 AM

TG, ethelene glycol is used in antifreeze here in Canada for two reasons. First, it won't rot out your aluminum radiator and heater core. Second, it gets frickin' COLD here and our antifreeze is good down to very low temperatures, preventing the cracked engine block problems of the past.

Non-glycol based coolants, not so great for the car. Rotting and breakage, plus there's the ever popular boiling over at the side of the road.

Canadian diesel produces more soot that the Euro version because Euro regulations require -extremely expensive- de-sulpherizing and de-waxing of fuel in the refining stage. Leading to fuel costs which are pretty much double the obscene amount we pay here in Canuckistan.

So we don't pay $10 a pound for green peppers in the supermarket the way they do in Europe.

I like our way better. Screw Europe.

Posted by: The Phantom at March 12, 2010 5:09 PM

That's like saying there are no cold climates in any other country. Nonsense.

Don't worry about rotting yer radiator. Get an electric car and sleep better re rad worries.

Posted by: TG at March 12, 2010 10:03 PM


Gasoline is above eight dollars per in the UK. Nice try, but the extra margin is not what you say it is, all due to extra diesel refining steps.

Green peppers? I never signed on to green peppers. Good imagination though, I admit.

Posted by: TG at March 12, 2010 10:09 PM