Read all about it at The Torch.
Update (including "God help me these people are morons"):
Afstan: "Liberals feared Abu Ghraib-type detainee scandal: source"Posted by Mark at March 10, 2010 9:08 AM
Well of course they knew. But why let facts get in the way of a good smear job? Torture,AGW,etc. Same pot,same crap.
Posted by: Justthinkin at March 10, 2010 9:23 AMShhhhh! Hear that? That's the sound of the scandal boomerang slapping the Libs right in the ass.
Posted by: Bill at March 10, 2010 9:40 AMShhhhh! Hear that? That's the sound of the scandal boomerang slapping the Libs right in the ass.
Posted by: Bill at March 10, 2010 9:40 AM
Unfortunately Bill,with our leftie controlled MSM,that slap isn't going to be loud enough to be heard where it counts...i.e. Tarawana and Van(got a hit?)couver.
Posted by: Justthinkin at March 10, 2010 9:45 AMPlease, could someone tell me who in the hell cares about creeps that are trying to kill our guys...other than layton, Iffy and Dosnjh?
Posted by: melwilde at March 10, 2010 10:07 AMCanadian mainstream media including Canadian Press is essentially a cabal shaping the news always slanted to the socialist and Liberal left.
How else could have the corrupt Liberal Chretien
/ Martin malfeasance administrations gone undetected for a decade without MSM complicity?
Canada needs a FOX News Network equivalent to clean up a boar's nest of information shaping and gatekeeping.
Come back Conrad Black!
Yes, definitely implicates the fromer Liberal ministry. What it accepts though is that there was substance to allegations. There may be, wouldnt surprise me at all that the Afghan government of 2005/06/07 tortured. WOuldnt shock me today if you told me that it still happens.
Problem it creates is that the Cons have to date said there was no evidence of torture. Cons are going to have to back up and admit a problem to get the Liberals on this one.
At the end of the day the cons did the right thing and got a new agreement, but I think they overplayed their initial objection to this. Canadians just care if our soldiers were torturing or if the senior brass knew there was torture and kept it going. Other than that Canadians are befuddled and baffled by all of this.
Posted by: Stephen at March 10, 2010 10:27 AMQP's going to be a laff riot today .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 10, 2010 10:29 AMThis "detainee" BS is another media attempt at obfuscation. Media intent is to imply Taliban taken prisoner equate to someone detained for a short period of time for a minor infraction such as a student detained after school for whatever reason. For Christ's sake these killers of our troops are prisoners of war, plain and simple, and should be acknowledged as such.
Posted by: dastardly at March 10, 2010 10:31 AMThe Canadian left is just following the play book of the Democrats. It does not matter what they knew then or the positions they had taken, only what they can make into the headlines of today.
Posted by: liberally thinking at March 10, 2010 10:33 AMFor Christ's sake these killers of our troops are prisoners of war, plain and simple, and should be acknowledged as such.
No, they shouldn't. They don't wear uniforms, they don't have a chain of command, and they target soldiers and civilians indiscriminately. If we called them prisoners of war, then they would be entitled to the protections of the Geneva Convention, which exclusively forbids torture of prisoners. I say turn them over to the Afghans, and let them do whatever they want to the murdering thugs.
Posted by: KevinB at March 10, 2010 10:38 AMWhy does the CBC not have comments enabled for this particular story? As if I need to ask. Hypocrites. But that would be redundant, I guess.
Posted by: Noel at March 10, 2010 10:56 AMNoel , they worked about an hour ago and haven't reloaded since . They're gaming the agree / disagree as well .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 10, 2010 11:04 AMWouldn't it be nice if we had a politician who wasn't worried about treating terrorists badly.
I, for one, am all for letting the armed forces deal with these non-military combatants under the geneva convention. Wait a minute, they don't fall under the Geneva convention.... hmmm.
I say detain them, get some information, and strap them back onto their bomb and send them on their merry way .... in a place of our choosing of course.
Of course the Liberals knew about it! Who do you think informed the media about it? And why do you think they've been so persistent about it?
Posted by: pete at March 10, 2010 11:43 AMIt gives me a flying start to my day to see that, like myself, so many Canadians do NOT in fact "find it terrifyingly unacceptable" that murdering freak scum like the Taliban are abused in their own country, by their own police forces. Not one BIT, Jack Layton, you callow, spineless apologist for terrorists.
Posted by: Michael H Anderson at March 10, 2010 11:51 AMLiberal governments torture me.
Posted by: Abe Froman at March 10, 2010 12:04 PMThe fundamental difference between support and invade is what you do with prisoners. Support, you turn them over to the government you support, invade, you keep them yourself.
Posted by: Ian Vaughan at March 10, 2010 12:41 PMWell I suppose one way to deal with the potential victims of torture would be give them a 20 yard head start and use them for target practice. However that would not speak well of our Armed Forces who followed their (Liberal) government's instructions and turned captured Taliban over to the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
Posted by: Joe at March 10, 2010 1:00 PMhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/former-diplomat-says-she-warned-of-afghan-torture-in-2005/article1495818/
Here is the Globe and Mail story
Posted by: Peter B at March 10, 2010 3:40 PMHere is the story in the Globe and Mail.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/former-diplomat-says-she-warned-of-afghan-torture-in-2005/article1495818/
Posted by: Peter B at March 10, 2010 3:43 PMThe only way to sort this out is to take it to the people by way of an election. The Lib/Dipp/Bloc coalition will find out just how important to the people of Canada this extreme concern for enemy Taliban detainees is. If the Liberals care to recall, their own administration did zilch on the matter , this government did.
Posted by: Liz J at March 10, 2010 3:48 PMAnother blatant example of the constant and dangerous co-ordination between the MSM and the Lib/Sep/NDPer alliance. Smear the elected government with whatever sh#t they can manufacture. Much like fancy pants Trudeaus Human Rights commisars "truth is not a defense". If the truth of the matter points a finger at the Libs, then magically the story disappears (abra, cadabra). Of course the Liberals knew about abuse of terrorist combatants, and of course they didn't care, Lib?Sep/Ndp alliance mouthpieces never let facts and truth get in the way of good smear. Something tells me the MSM will now decide this story "doesn't have legs", and co-ordinate a new and shiny smear job with their comrades in the Lib/Sep/NDP alliance war-room.
Posted by: Sean M at March 10, 2010 5:13 PMWell said Sean M - the msm is the enemy of the Canadian people, IMO. Why have the msm not been asking questions about Gore Bull warming lately? Things that make me go hummm? The Troika and the msm are smearing the soldiers that fight for their sorry hides by default - to score political points. Nothing could be morally lower, IMO.
Posted by: Jema54 at March 10, 2010 7:27 PMIn a country like Afghanistan everyone is a sneak, a thief and a back-stabber.
Karzai may be only slightly less so.
Insuring that bomb-vest prisoners will be respected with kid gloves is like expecting ice cream not to melt under the dessert sun.
Guess this lets the Liberals off the hook too though.
More important would be the screaming about our medical system that is removing breasts without cause, or the deathly dirty surgeon's tools found in a Kelowna hospital and others.
Ooops, Can't do that. Liberal government apointees are running all things medical.
Posted by: TG at March 10, 2010 10:00 PMwhen is jacks prostate gonna blow up?
then i'll get some peace and quiet.
i've had enough of his fauxgras
Jack is sure spending a lot of our tax loot on mailings lately.
Seems like every second day Jack is bleating about something Harper is not doing for the poor.
If Harper can keep Canada from heading down the sewer like Greece, Portugal, Spain, and Ireland, the poor will have an economy to draw upon.
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