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February 12, 2010

"What drivel"/Video Upperdate

Earlier:

Somehow programmed to kill? Murder, rape and our media

Now, excerpts from a piece by Maj.-Gen. (ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie in the Globe and Mail:

Canadian coverage of the military has failed to pass muster Reporters have made erroneous conclusions from the case of Colonel Russell Williams

Rarely has Canadian news coverage of a high-profile criminal case offered so much misleading speculation and so many erroneous conclusions as in the charges against Colonel Russell Williams. The following assertions are offered as evidence....

COLONEL WAS ‘ON TRACK' TO LEAD THE AIR FORCE

Oh? Col. Williams's promotion to the rank of colonel in 2009 at 46 did not put him in the same league as officers who will reach the rank of lieutenant-general and command Canada's air force. If he was 39 or 40, the odds would be more in his favour. To use a military metaphor, he was on a fast train – but not the express...

PART OF THE ‘ELITE'

What drivel. What constitutes this “elite”? Is there some secret society I was not invited to while serving? Was there some secret handshake I was not aware of? The leaders of the Canadian Forces meet every morning at National Defence Headquarters. Col. Williams was not invited.

A GENERAL'S ‘RESPONSIBILITY'

During an interview with Canada's top soldier, General Walter Natynczyk, a national television reporter [CBC] asked whether, given that he had placed Col. Williams in charge in Trenton, he had any words for the families of the victims. Midway through his compassionate response, the reporter asked, “Do you feel responsible?”

The question's innuendo was barely camouflaged – do you feel responsible for the murders and the assaults? That question was the second “body blow” taken by Gen. Natynczyk in the past few days and was contemptible. To his credit, the Chief of the Defence Staff pointed out that he is responsible for more than 90,000 military personnel, regular and reserve. He avoided directly answering the question, which he should never have been asked.

Considering their current high profile and well-earned respect both at home and abroad, our young men and women in uniform deserve better treatment than some in the news media have been dishing out.

A case in point, from Michael Den Tandt in the Ottawa Sun:

... This man was not simply a senior officer. He commanded 8 Wing and CFB Trenton. There is no more important job in the CF, other than perhaps running Task Force Afghanistan, or being chief of defence staff...

Update: Norman Spector brings us...

...
-A great moment in Canadian journalism

Col. Williams tied to Bernardo

They were pals...

Upperdate: Video here of the CBC's Susan Ormiston--the reporter referred to by Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie--interviewing harassing the CDS.

Posted by Mark at February 12, 2010 9:06 AM
Comments

Don't get mad. The problem you SDA guys have is that you erroneously believe that journalism is about reporting facts.

It's not. It's about selling copy.

Facts don't sell. Sex, chit and slime sell and that is what those guys sling - and only the dumbest chit eaters are buying it - meaning those lower 'intellects' of the political left.

I would like to ask everyone to stop posting links to this shite - scew those guys, they can be summed up - and dismissed - with a few contemptuous profanities, and they are less than the mud on the serviceman's boots.

Canada' military is to rest assured: we know the stuff the leftist media is pedalling for the chit it is, and that the service's honour and integrity remains intact. This matter will be settled in the courts and not in some lefty cack sucker's opinion column.

Posted by: jim at February 12, 2010 9:23 AM

I saw the reporter ask him that question. My jaw actually dropped at the sheer absurdity of it. Yet he remained composed and responded in the best way possible. I have the utmost respect for that man's ability, and absolutely NONE for that CBC (of course) reporter.

I guess the only thing more absurd would have been if she asked him if things would have been different if PM Harper hadn't prorogued Parliament.

Posted by: grok at February 12, 2010 9:27 AM

grok, the porno rag from BC did suggest that PM Harper's proroguing was to blame for Colonel Williams alleged crimes.

jim, I'm with you on this, most of the "reporters" covering this aren't fit to shine a serviceman's boots. Especially the CBC's.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at February 12, 2010 9:38 AM

Journalists . . . just another, easier way to say "Skanky scumbags"

Posted by: Fred at February 12, 2010 9:48 AM

Well at least the CBC serves a purpose. That being offering above average wages to below average intellects.

Posted by: Joe at February 12, 2010 9:55 AM

Who was this asshole reporter who asked the General that incredibly stupid question? What is his/her name? Surely this is the kind of stuff that CBC Ombudsman would like to know.........or not.

FIRE - THEM - ALL! BURN DOWN THEIR BUILDINGS!

Posted by: a different bob at February 12, 2010 9:59 AM

Bernardo an economist
Williams an economist
Harper an economist


Ive written the next story for CBC!!!

Posted by: cal2 at February 12, 2010 10:00 AM

Maybe something is wrong with UofT?

Posted by: Aaron at February 12, 2010 10:02 AM

Maybe something is wrong with UofT?

No just Toronto.

Posted by: Joe at February 12, 2010 10:04 AM

Wow, what a PR disaster for the University of Toronto! - as Terry Milewski at CBC might say

Posted by: maggie at February 12, 2010 10:04 AM

With MSM (CBC) reluctance to even cover dissenting opinion (climate change) I'm surprised the the General's opinion even got published. Thank you Lew for standing up for the military in the face of this barrage of speculative negatisim.

Posted by: nnm at February 12, 2010 10:25 AM

We should round up everybody who ever went to the U of Toronto as possible future murderers and jail them indefinitely. For the good of society.

Posted by: grok at February 12, 2010 10:29 AM

The answer is quite simple. Everyone who has ever had any connection to Barnardo through work, play, school or just vicinity, should be subject to forced psychological testing. Oh, and everyone in the armed forces as well.
Heck, just test everyone… and make sure we have sufficient 'experts' to decide who passes or fails.

Posted by: Doowleb at February 12, 2010 10:32 AM

How interesting, one Canadian university turns out TWO serial killers!

Instead of attacking our Armed Forces, the MSM, some probably graduates of the U. of T.,should be investigating why one educational institution produces such a startling number of murderous maniacs!

The preceding was a facetious comment,unlike the MSM's commentary on our soldiers.

Posted by: dmorris at February 12, 2010 10:42 AM

MSM have become skanks, skunks they ooze out urnalism at an alarming rate without bothering with the rules governed by good journalism. They actually make stuff up and get away with it because now the news is founded on opinions and not facts. Cancel the Globe and Mail and ring them up and let them know why you don't want to read their gossip rag anymore. As for CBC, they answer to no one not even we the people who pay their salary.

Posted by: Rose at February 12, 2010 11:01 AM

It's too bad the general ran for office under Charest. It is my sincerest hope that he would run again, perhaps in the Maritimes, however, at his age I'm sure he wouldn't mind avoiding the meat grinder.
LM is a Canadian hero and a true patriot.

Posted by: northbaytrapper at February 12, 2010 11:06 AM

Agree with Jim regarding the sex and glitter copy-craze of the majority of the media.

By and large, the media do not respect the military. We are not surprised as the majority of Canada's news rooms are chalked full of neo-liberals.

The assertion that Natynczyk might even be remotely responsible is as ludicrous as trying to tie this set of tragedies to the proroguing of Parliament, which another a$$hat journalist did the other day.

Posted by: Mark Peters at February 12, 2010 11:06 AM

There are, in fact, a lot of more important jobs in the CF than commanding 8 Wing. A forward air controller (FAC) or a forward observation officer (FOO) in Kandahar would both be more important and those positions are usually filled by captains.

Posted by: herringchoker at February 12, 2010 11:25 AM

"Facts don't sell. Sex, chit and slime sell"

so is that why supermarket tabloids get so much circulation? why the jerry springer afternoon faux slugfest still airs?

it would seem average consumer of the MSM product is a real gap toothed beer swilling troglodite. or is that too much of a cliche just like the MSM depends on.

it's a symbiotic relationship; journalism stds in constant decline as sales increase to the lower half on the IQ scale.

my question is, howcum the citation is to a big name MSM provider in Canuckistan, ie The Globe? aren't they the bad guys at SDA?

Posted by: curious_george at February 12, 2010 11:29 AM

*
ex-colonel williams is also an alumnus of uber-elitist upper canada college...
but, CURIOUSLY... you'll notice nobody's asking count ignatieff if his old
alma mater is also a breeding ground for serial killers.

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Posted by: NEO at February 12, 2010 11:46 AM

It was noted earlier that this alleged killer was a (Challenger) pilot for VIP's and had been flying Cretin about. Did he get a career boost from Cretin. Did he influence Cretin to fast track Challenger purchases around the standard tender process?

Posted by: sasquatch at February 12, 2010 12:14 PM

What was that comment I once heard by an NCM? Oh yeah, "Bad officers are promoted beyond their abilities and put somewhere where they can't do any damage."

Hmmm, looks like they missed one.

Posted by: the bear at February 12, 2010 1:06 PM

George I would suspect that as the collective IQ of north America drops, the canadian 'ignoratii' demographic is slowly becoming a powerful,lucrative marketplace. For years sharp businessmen have been tapping and pandering to that market such as Micheal Moore, Fat Al Gore and David Suzuki. I admit I have to admire Fat Al - he made a billion by selling 'nothing' millions of very stupid people! The man is brilliant - no overhead, no capital expenditures and no problems or costs with supply and demand logistics.

Unfortunately that market is now saturated, and equally unfortunately, our MSM has decided to compete with the supermarket tabloids and Jerry Springer in that market. Were I in that arena I would set my sights on blogs like this one - that offer objective viewpoints on current events, critical thinking and good humour.

FOX is king of the cable networks and not because of Jerry Springer, but because of guys like Glenn Beck and real journalists that do what journalists SHOULD do - ask the politicos the tough questions, demand answers, and hold their feet to the fire when they try and fast-talk and bullchit their way through the interview. They are chasing the upscale demographic that includes men and women of worth who want to understand the issues and the people involved.

This murder story is actually quite limited. The only pertinent questions would be

a. how did this guy get through the system?
b. what is being done to prevent a recurrence?
c. out of human interest, what do the rank and file troops make of this?

Done, end of story. If you want to raise side issues, raise pertinent ones:

a. obviously, this is just one more example of the need for capital punishment for violent murderers. Will this man be properly punished if convicted?
b. why are the liberal lickspittles that infest our judiciary avoiding the need for tougher laws and punishment in tragedies like this?
c. would removing our asnine canadian gun laws allowed these women to defend themselves from a murderer?
d. should the right to self defence be embedded in our constitution?

There are others, but you get the idea. I suspect those questions don't get asked because stupid people don't want to consider them, much less hear the answers.

Posted by: jim at February 12, 2010 1:37 PM

The day the CBC is objective and actually does its job is the day unicorns are seen flying.
Is this man guilty? Perhaps. What does the actual evidence tell the professionals? That's why the police collect evidence, that's why evidence is presented before a judge and jury and then a decision is made. It can't be made through sensationalism, or haven't the wags at CBC gotten that yet?

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at February 12, 2010 3:27 PM

If the question is which organization chart would have a larger human numbers "pie slice" labeled "scum of the earth", the Canadian Forces or the MSM, it would seem a given the chattering class would be miles ahead.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at February 12, 2010 3:49 PM

Jim: I pick c. "would removing our asnine canadian gun laws allowed these women to defend themselves from a murderer?"

It's very possible, if you read American regional news stories, that not only would at least 2 women be alive, but several home invasion rapes would have been prevented. And to boot, one criminal would have been stopped in his tracks early in his career. Canadian news is inundated with stories like this, where for example, in one Victoria case an entire family was wiped out, because they depended on a court order.

However, the Justice Monopoly continues to pull in the cash, so all is well with the world.

Posted by: Gunney99 at February 12, 2010 3:59 PM

The CBC has closed comments to the story.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/11/williams-murder-charges.html

Posted by: Harry at February 12, 2010 4:00 PM

Susan Ormiston was very disrespectful to our CDS.
She has just returned from Haiti and I think she needs to:
1. be placed on a very long time out
2. offer a sincere apolology to the General.
3. offer an our Armed Forces Personnel
I hope I never see her on the National again

Posted by: Jeremiah at February 12, 2010 5:17 PM

Susan Ormiston's conduct was disgusting. Is she going to interview the Col's parents to see what in his childhood could have done this? How absurd.

Posted by: Geoff at February 12, 2010 6:16 PM

I saw the Susan Ormistan harangue last night. When she asked the question, it was, literally, in Walter Natynczyk's face. It looks like she rose up on her tip toes to stick her furious, self-righteous mug nose to nose with the General's. I wanted to punch her through the TV.

She's a first-class -- or should I say no-class -- bi***, a dyed-in-the-wool media toady and cheerleader for the Librano$ and all things anti-CPC. She's been slurping at the public trough for way too long: I first became aware of her in the '80s when she was working for the Commie Broadcasting Corpse in Nova Scotia. She was a harridan then and she's a harridan still.

Posted by: batb at February 12, 2010 6:37 PM

I'd be willing to bet that DND has a quiet little administrative review initiated, regarding any and all "tough" decisions that Col Williams was responsible for.

Lots of boys and girls worked for the man over the last 22 years, it might be a good idea to see if any of them have been hurt in the process.

Posted by: mitchel44 at February 12, 2010 6:43 PM

I don't wish to offend anybody, but there may be some truth to the offensive proposition that those who rise to leadership positions in our society are sometimes psychopaths.

I've had bosses who were very much that way, abusive, manipulative, downright anti-social people, and they made sure that everyone under them performed like they must have done on the way up, or got rid of them.

Some people call this "natural selection" or survival of the fittest. Others call it over-driven striving.

I am not amazed to find out that it exists in the higher echelons of the Canadian military. It doesn't reduce my respect for the men and women serving overseas, nor for the vast majority of those who command them.

I think we could probably find similar examples in politics, in sports leadership, and even in religious leadership. It may not be the norm or the most frequently encountered personality type, but it is not sufficiently ostracized yet to remove it from what passes for normal in Canada (and I am sure in other western countries).

On the other hand, I am also mindful of the fact that there have been at least three very high profile cases of wrongful conviction of men accused of sex murders in Canada -- Truscott, Morin, and the guy in the Regina case who served a long sentence and was then exonerated.

So we need to keep a very open mind about what actually happened in this case.

However, I have been forced to the sad conclusion that the Canadian personality is a very dichotomous mixture of meekness and manipulation, at least the personality of the high functioning so-called successful person in our society.

People scramble over heaps of dead or dying rivals to get to the top in our society. This is why so many people "tune out" and become what you would call layabouts and losers. Sometimes what we gain is more loss than what the losers have lost.

I don't want to pin this analysis to the military in particular, it belongs equally to all aspects of public life and business in Canada. If you don't like it, you can always brutally kill me, I suppose, that's the normal reaction (although last time, it was just an organized humiliation followed by a public dressing down and a demotion, followed by two weeks of soap-opera style dysfunctional trailer park behaviour in the workplace, complete with the non-wearing of undergarments to flaunt unrecognized sexuality).

Canadians are weird people. The idea that we are some shining light to the world is believed nowhere but within Canada, especially Ontario, which is the weirdest part of Canada.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at February 12, 2010 6:52 PM

Another good example of how weird Canadians and especially Ontarians are, is the fact that the officials at Environment Canada, when presented with an obvious scientific discovery of major proportions, decided that ritual humiliation, ostracism and slander was the best course of action.

They then went on to convince the world that they should wreck their national economies to save our arctic ice which was in no danger of melting in any case.

They gained the respect of other Canadians by doing all this, never apologized, never even felt any remorse or guilt, because like most high-functioning Canadians, they are psychopaths.

The Liberal Party of Canada exists to organize this psychopathy into a form of national government and patronage distribution. Anyone who dissents is subjected to the "treatment" which is basically the same treatment that Soviet dissidents received from the government of the Soviet Union, legal harassment and ostracism from the workplace. They don't find it necessary or cost-effective to create a gulag.

Although some people including the readers of the various blogs and forums understand this to some extent, they only want to complain about it, not to organize against it or take any real note of the specific cases. It is easy to just sit back and complain, say various angry-sounding things that affect nobody, then accept some award or bask in the adulation of your complaining colleagues.

But nothing has actually happened and this country is still one voting accident away from being a one-party state organized by psychopaths.

The Harper government has done such a good job mimicking the virus that they have become the new disease.

It seems that there is no way out of this maze of elitist government of a zombie population unable or unwilling to resist even the most absurd legislation, such as allowing men to marry men, or other men to kill millions of unborn children, then as soon as that is done, to parade in front of the world as the world's greatest nation.

Sure, now who's crazy?

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at February 12, 2010 7:02 PM

Time to start praying, Peter O'Donnell. 'Only fix there is.

Posted by: batb at February 12, 2010 7:10 PM

anybody put the 2 and 2 together yet? you know, the part about sociopaths rising to positions of power similar to the way crooks wind up running big corporations:
they are unencumbered by ethics. they will lie cheat steal murder and betray until their power level sustains itself.
a big factor is the hero worship of leaders that blinds adherents to the character flaws and power grabbing.
anybody here at SDA think I'm guilty of that? hmmm ???

Posted by: curious_george at February 12, 2010 7:18 PM

I have no problem with a reporter asking hard questions, but they must have in-hand documented support to backup their assertions and attitude...

The obvious mean spirited, agenda driven attitude, if without merit, must be explained by senior CBC Management.

The CEO of CBC must provide an appropriate apology, or be promptly fired

Btw: The general ate her for lunch

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at February 12, 2010 7:37 PM

It is amazing how many SDA people must be watching CBC. Their credibility was shot over twenty years ago, but you goofs support the system by watching. As long as they get eyeballs focused on them they win. There hasn't been anything worth my time on either CBC or CTV for years. The only way we get any change is to lobby goverment to stop subsidizing. That means talking to your MP and maintaining pressure. Now that PMSH has some leverage in the senate some things are possible that would never get passed before.

Posted by: GerryM at February 12, 2010 10:07 PM

Coverup. Circling the wagons. Bury the story behind the story. There needs to be a better vetting process for weeding out this type of scum. I agree with Krista Erickson... I mean, Susan Orminston.

Posted by: jon at February 13, 2010 1:33 AM

The chief of defence staff is a true professional...I am so impressed with him after watching the CBC interview....our forces are in good hands with his leadership......

Posted by: Mike L. at February 13, 2010 11:06 AM
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